Baba Ramdev - Sanyasi or businesman?

[Guest guest]

If you have so many facts with you, why dont you go to the court and put him

behind bar..the problem with us indian is that we jump to conclusions very

quickly and start badmouthing everyone..even if he is a businessman, how does it

matter to a normal consumer who was buying Aloevera Rs 1000+ and now getting at

200 odd rupess...same is true with many other medicines.

 

If othe pharmecies think that he is selling sub-standard material they have

every right to go to court and expose him...but the fact is that all these years

in the name of Ayurveda they were looting the people and now with the comptition

in front of them they are feeling the pinch.

You are right...this happens only in India...sad but true.

 

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All the Patanjali Clinics all over India sell Only Divya Pharmacy medicines as

it is being owned by him. There r numerous pharmacies today, but u will not get

any other pharmacy medicine than Divya pharmacy.

[Guest guest]

Even i looked at him with some doubt. But as i kept hearing him on TV i got

convinced that he was not a thug. Even I sometimes think of the multi crores

that he has collected but well spent. But don't you think he needs that kind of

money to build, and sustain such facilities where everything is world class. He

is collecting reports and maintaining records

 

 of all those who got cured through the pranayaams. This is better than getting

into the clutches of the modern medicine. At least we don't spoil our health

further. here he collects money which is much less than what one may have to

spend with the modern medics and yet spoil their health further. Here at least

you are cured for life.

I don't like it sometimes when he asks for money but the service that he

provides is tremendous. Christian missionaries come door to door and we happily

give money to them which the use against us by converting people. how many

people revered mother Teresa? What was she? She was also into conversions taking

money from us and using it against us. We happily gave for a good cause to a

saintly person.

let us say the same for baba Ramdev. I like to keep a distance from the babas. I

hear him with a critical ear. but so far I have found him good. Let us think for

him also that he is doing good for humanity.

 

Now it is not right to expect potatos from a dealer who deals in onions.

Patanjali chikitsalayas  will sell their own product. if they sell others' then

there is no guarantee of quality. Every one sells their own products. If you put

up a factory will you sell your product or product from my factory?

 

Nothing that he says is baseless as he himself does not know what gets cured .

it is the people who come and tell him of the different things that they get

cured of, then he asks for their reports and with the help of allopathic doctors

they do research on the cases and that is when he says that a certain disease

can also get cured. He never talks of it before he has had enough proof. Till

then he keeps saying that we are working on it but i cannot say that this also

gets cured.

 

You probably have not had the time to hear him day after day. for that one has

to get up at  5 in the morning.

 

He has so many vaidyas sitting at the facility they should have shown the father

to them and bal krishan is the vaidya. he only teaches yoga. what did your

friend want him to do? i've a personal class to the father or do you think that

by meeting him the father would have become allright.

 

My sister in law met him, he assured her that she will become all right with his

medicines but she left his medicines midway and followed the doctors whose whole

system is a sham she went in for chemotherapy and died in 5 months time. Now if

my family says that he is not right because she did not get cured. they may even

say " oh we tried his medicine also but it was not effective. "

 

Its such a sad thing that we do not question the questionable i.e. the modern

medicine. The basis of which is 'perpetuation of disease' so that the coffers of

the pharma cos keep swelling and here our bills keep swelling plus we lose our

health and remain ill till we die, feeding their coffers throughout our

lives.and yet we say what a good doctor is treating us and what good medicines

we are given. Never for once we doubt them.

 

I am no big fan of baba ramdev. but hearing him and seeing what he has done and

his future plans gives me some hope.

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Even if he is true Sanyasi or Swami, as people say, he have thousands of crores

as his property in just few years. Instead he is planning to build some Ashram

for Rs 1000 crore. This is really unbelievable for a person who is Sanyasi .

[Guest guest]

Dear Online Friends,

Let me tell you frankly that I never believed in Babas or sanyasis before 2004.

Baba Ramdev was teaching yoga and pranayams in a new style of his own born out

of his personal practices and experience.

Since many army officers in Gujarat used to watch his yoga camps on cable TV, I

too watched the same out of curiosity. It used to be so convincing that I

started doing some of the yogasanas and pranayams. Since that was quite helpful,

I continued to practice for a couple of months when I discovered to my utter

surprise that the myloma (small hard lumps in the arms) had disappeared

miraculously.

Many others too related their true stories how they too benefited in curing

their problems. That made me a follower of Baba Ramdev. When I visited Pune in

2005, I attended his yoga camp and became just an ordinary member by donating

about Rs. 10,000 and got his blessings in teaching many others what I had

learnt.

Thereafter, I went to USA for a couple of months. There also many NRIs (Non

Resident Indians) and their children were suffering from various aches and

pains. They invited me to show them my exercises and Baba's Yoga and Pranayams.

Many NRIs and even big American businessmen of Jewish origin in Manhattan and

Long Island in New York too were benefited, all for free as I couldn't accept

money being on a visitor's vosa.

Till then there was no talk of any business about Ayurvedic medicines or other

food supplements. Baba Ramdevji's close associate Acharya Balkrishnaji who is

also a Yogacharya, with Baba's blessings started recommending some ayurvedic

medicines for those who were not responding well even after doing yoga and

pranayams.

Slowly but surely, it caught the imagination of people who could not be cured by

any other therapy including alloapthy, homeopathy, reiki, pranic healing,

aromatherapy, etc. Thus more and more persons started benefiting.

The Aastha TV channel people, especially Mr. Kirit Mehta, its founder took

interest in telecasting Baba's camps live. That spread like wild fire across the

globa and today 169 countries of the world are viewing Baba Ramdevji's Yog

Science Camps (Pran-Yoga camps for short). Many who learnt those practices

started teaching others after being trained properly by Baba Ramdevji and

Acharya Balkrishnaji.

Till then there was not much talk about business. But when demand grew

worldwide, production of ayurvedic medicines and good food supplements like Aloe

Vera, Amla, Bottle Gourd and other items grew so much that they had to set up a

big production facility through voluntary donations from those who had got

benefited.

I too donated whatever I could because had I kept that money with me, I could

not have used for a such a good purpose as helping to make the world

disease-free and healthy. Thus Baba Ramdevji has those donations for giving back

to the people of India and the world, many times more benefits than what they

had donated.

By now hundreds of thousands of people have benefited all over the world. I

could never have imagined that I can get Aloe Vera juice at Rs. 180/- (less

than four US dollars) and Amla juice for two dollars a litre. I bought

Sarva-Kalpa-Kwath for Rs. 20 (about half of one dollar) that detoxified my

kidneys and the liver. I got Bel Murabba and Bel Candy very cheap to set my

stomach problems right. Just about 20 ml each of Aloe Vera and Amla juices mixed

together and taken at night were enough to get a clear motion early in the

morning to make me ready for the morning session of yoga and pranayams.

With these practices, I have left behind my Asthma and brocno-pneumonia attacks,

coughs and colds, sleeplessness, short-tamperedness and what not.

This worldwide publicity has made many of the rivals attack Baba Ramdev when he

does not touch money nor has any expensive habits. All the money is used to give

back to the people in the form of better health and for curing incurable

diseases.

Hence instead of attacking the Baba, it is better to join him in helping the

world and our fellow human beings, if we want to make this world a bit

healthier.     

 

S.M.ACHARYA

http://health.BackacheFreeWorld

,

Nature Cure & Spinal Rehab Centre,

155 St. Patrick's Town, Pune 411013,

Ph: +91-20-26870204, Cell: 91-9422314693,

Email:smacharya Website: www.atbsnr.com

 

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All the Patanjali Clinics all over India sell Only Divya Pharmacy medicines as

it is being owned by him. There r numerous pharmacies today, but u will not get

any other pharmacy medicine than Divya pharmacy.

[Guest guest]

Mr Acharya,

i believe wholly soley in Baba RamDev. What he teaches is not born of his own

practices and experiences. These come from multi milliena from the ancient

rishis. Even he says that had he said rhat it is his own creation I would not

have likedhim. Like some of the gurus who want to patent things and they change

the style and give it a name and say that they received it directly from God.

Swami RamDev is a very level headed man. He taught yoga and learnt from the

mouths of people who were benefited. Whatever he is doing is quite unattainable

by a normal human being. But you have taken his case too far for the others to

object to it. It has become almost like a fetish. People don't like it. Each

time I see you post I have a quiet laugh at here Mr achrya has come again with

Baba Ramdev. I think even Baba will object to it.

 

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Let me tell you frankly that I never believed in Babas or sanyasis before 2004.

Baba Ramdev was teaching yoga and pranayams in a new style of his own born out

of his personal practices and experience.

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[Guest guest]

I think you have misunderstood Baba Ramdev and his efforts. By no means, I claim

that he is 100% perfect. After all he is human as well. But he is probably the

best person we have in this world who has put his entire life for the purpose of

betterment of humanity through Yoga, Ayurveda and Accupressure. In response to

your email:

 

a. " he have thousands of crores as his property in just few years " - Baba Ramdev

doesnt own the property, the Trust owns it. Also, the Trust has incurred

hundreds of crores of loans to build the infrastructure that is required to

treat many thousands of patients simultaneously. For the scale at which he is

providing treatment, a 1000 crores is just a drop in the bucket. Many more 1000

crores will be required to treat the larger part of the Indian population. We

waste many lakh crores on western medicine, that not only dont work, but have

tremendous side effects, for which we take more medication.

 

b. " Patanjali Clinics all over India sell Only Divya Pharmacy medicines " -

whats wrong with this? In India there has been a big problem with the quality of

Ayurvedic medication fror many years now. He has taken this on by ensuring only

the highest quality medicines are made available at the lowest cost. To be able

to vouch for your quality, you need to control the production. How can Baba

Ramdev vouch for medicines produced by other institutions?

 

c. " He never meets to the patient directly... when u donate Rs 50,000 to the

ashram, only then Baba meets u " - this is a logistics issue. Are there better

ways of dealing with this? Yes, and probably Patanjali Yog Peeth can look into

this issue. Patanjali Yog Peeth in Haridwar has hundreds of doctors who can

treat patients. You do not need to wait for Baba Ramdev. When there are a 1000

patients in a day, it is not possible for one human being to tend to them. On

the issue of taking Rs. 50,0000/- to see him, I am not sure how much truth is

there to it. But from my own personal experience, I would say that we were not

asked for a single paise. We had requested to see Baba Ramdev for a severe issue

for my wife and we were permitted to see him. Granted this was in Houston and

there were a lot less people than in Haridwar. Nevertheless, if that perception

exists, PYPT should work on ensuring that these things dont occur.

 

d. " HIV is purely baseless. HIV can't be cured " - lets wait and watch. Baba

Ramdev has been documenting and been willing to prove all this scientifically.

He will soon show proof for this as well. Given that he has done so much good,

let us give him the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see main stream

western institutions recognize this research.

 

In summary, this guy has gone out of his way to do so much good for the society.

He has dedicated his life to curing people, teaching them about Yoga, Ayurveda

and Accuprerssure. He is making great progress as well. (approx. 85 million

followers). We know many people, including me and my wife, who have benefited

from his TV shows in the morning. Let us be supportive, give this guy a chance.

There is no use in using this forum to lash out at someone who has done the

greatest good for Yoga since Patanjali.

 

Aashish

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> A sanyasi or Baba as we call, have many aspects.

> He can be God, Friend, Helper, Healer or Doctor though he doesn't have a

government recognised medical degree.

[Guest guest]

Mr.Sanjay.

The post didn't mean regarding the charges of medicines of any pharmacies

dealing with ayurveda as u stated. Instead, I wanted to put forth a true fact

about the people mindset in India, where these types of Babas can do their

business. All the pharma companies have their own business techniques.

Few years ago when Ciprofloxacin was launched, the cost was like Rs.80/per

500 mg tablet. Within 1 year one company launched it with like Rs.30 for the

same. After few months, one pharmacy took it out for just Rs.1.50 for the same

with the brand name Tab.Zoxan. So we can't blame to the pharma companies about

the rates of the drugs. It is their business.

What I was stating is, A Sanyasi should never look at money in any form. If

he is looking for it, then he is not a true Sanyasi & people should not put him

at the same level for God like Swami or Baba. If he is true Sanyasi then he

should never build his own businesses with the donations he got. He should be

fined to do this for sure.

Mr.Muneer Khan was a self claimed scientist & a healer in Mumbai. He used

to claim to cure Cancer & all dreaded diseases. People complained about his

malpractice several times in police stations. But everything was in vain. At

last when the complaints were flooded in hundreds, then police took action. He

was also not a government recognised degree holder. But used to charge people

like Rs.16,000 per dose. Now he escaped from the police & might be from India

too.

There was not any conclusion quickly. I was not trying to badmouth him. But

as a person, what he is doing is wrong taking the help of his God like Image &

looting Indians.

 

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> If you have so many facts with you, why dont you go to the court and put him

behind bar..........

> If othe pharmecies think that he is selling sub-standard material they have

every right to go to court and expose him............

[Guest guest]

Baba Ramdev is doing well, he is only person who has done so much in yoga. Even

Maharshi mahesh yogi and others have done very well in worldwide. baba ramdev is

only interested to expand his divya pharmacy only. As per his all addressing

from the programs he only says about Divya Pharmacy. Even Dabur, Zandu, Sandu,

Dhutpapeshwar, Vaidynath etc are doing very well. Baba is a man of Yoga not a

person for Ayurveda. He is doing very well in this field but he wants to swallow

all those who are in pharmasueticels field. I am an ayurvedic practitioner since

25 years. Even Baba's name was not heard, I used medicines from all these

pharmacies and got perfact results. That doesent mean Divya pharmacy is the only

is perfect in India. This is Baba's publicity. Again I say baba is a man of yoga

after maharshi Mhesh yogi and others who spread Indian Yoga all over the world.

Ramdev swamy is not only or first person in the way. we should respect him but

not as everything.

dr kamaldutt vaidya

vadodara

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Let me tell you frankly that I never believed in Babas or sanyasis before 2004.

Baba Ramdev was teaching yoga and pranayams in a new style of his own born out

of his personal practices and experience..........

[Guest guest]

Dear Ashish,

No doubt about it baba is doing very well.

Do u know - for how many poor pt's are treated free over there ? - as he says.

 

2 - In one shibir I seen one poor female crying for medicine for her child -

baba was not ready to give medicines free of costs as he says.

 

3 - who says other companies are not sranderd -before baba even Ayurveda was

there and hernal medicines also were srandardised, If baba says we only preper

proper medicines , at this point he is saying wrong. Today many companies are in

India having GMP lincese from the beginins - do u know this.

 

4 - Baba is getting benifite of our mentality for saints and sanyasies.

 

5 - do u know - In Ayurveda for all the formulation inredients are fix no one

can make change. If baba say we are making pure drugs and other company doesent

say - that doesnt mean others are not pure.

 

6 - Accually baba is a man of publicity nothing else.others from - Ayurveda or

yoga are not publishing them selves that doesent mean thay not working.

 

7 -have u heard about - Maharshi Mahesh yogi, Swami krupalvanandji, Swami

shivanandjee, Swami Dayanand saraswati - thay have done sielantly.

Accuatly baba wants to eat whole, His mission may be for good things

also .but its sure he wants to make himself king of Ayurveda and Yog. It's not

fair.

 

8 - who say that only baba's medicines are pure and others not ? - he says

himself. we always praised ours.

 

9 - Compairitivaly Govrnt or others are never say this.

kindly think about this.

 

I always respect him as a sanyasi. his business practice is not fair.

 

Dr kamaldutt vaidya ( Vadodara, GUJARAT )

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I think you have misunderstood Baba Ramdev and his efforts. By no means, I claim

that he is 100% perfect...........

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Ayurveda _for _All,

 

I think the basic problem is that you have got the meaning of 'Sanyasi' wrong !

Sanyasi term comes from two words: Sat & Nyast. " Jo Sat me nyast hain we hi

sanyasi hain " [ Those who are attached to Truth are Sanyasis.]

 

A person who is scared of money/material resources can never be a Sanyasi !

 

And a person who is slave to money can not be a Sanyasi. The cowards who run to

jungles due of fear of money are real cowards, not Sanyasi.

 

But the True Sanyasi uses money/material world as his slave. He puts that money

into good works for the society. ....... I advise you to read the " Shanti Parva "

of Mahabhrat where true meaning of Sanyasi is given.

 

Even the word 'Sadhu' comes from 'Saadh " dhatu (root) of Sanskrit. It means " he

who dispenses his responsibility " ( Jo sab chizon ko 'sadh' leta hai wohi Sadhu

hai.) Those who run away from responsibilities can NEVER be a Sadhu.

 

Money flocks to a true Sanyasi. People offer him whole heartedly. But the true

Sanyasi never uses that money for personal aggrandizement. Rather, he gives that

money back to the society in various forms.

 

Sage Vashishta, Vishwamitra, Bharadwaj, Agastya etc all were such Sages-

Sanyasis. They got a lot from society which they returnned in various forms.

 

The term 'material' has come from " Motherial " ..and Latin  " Maeter " . This has its

root in Sanskrit root " Matri " (Mother). What is Motherial is Material. The True

Sanyasi/Sage knows that this Motherial World ( called 'Matruk Jagat' in Vedic

parlance) is a creation of the Supreme creator. So, he does not allow himself to

be trapped by this Motherial or Material world, rather he takes the reigns in

his own hands and uses the Material world and its resources for the benefit of

society.

 

So far, Swami Ramdev has done exactly this. He is using money to benfit the

society.

 

If he runs away from this, then it will mean that he does not have Yogic

capabilities to control money.

 

So, friend, please clear your own concept of Sanyasi. Sanyasis are not those who

run away from world, rather Sanyasi use the material world as 'samidha' in their

Yagyas for benefit of mankind.

 

rgds

Yours,in HIM,

Yashendra

 

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What I was stating is, A Sanyasi should never look at money in any form. If he

is looking for it, then he is not a true Sanyasi & people should not put him at

the same level for God like Swami or Baba. If he is true Sanyasi then he should

never build his own businesses with the donations he got.

[Guest guest]

Very well explained Mr Yashendra.

 

Actually what ever these people are writing shows the confusion within. They are

threathened by his growing popularity. In fact no one has the time to listen to

him. if they hear him day after day, they will understand him better. What they

do not understand is that there is plenty in the universe for everyone. Actually

it is these people who are guided by material gains but talking and feeling like

that they are limiting their own prosperity. This is what Linda Goodman and

Louise Hay say. They do not realise that if people are weaned away from

allopathic treatments they will look towards the otherside that is their side.

Again material element. Such people will again like the allopaths try to

perpetuate disease rather than finish it. May be this is that is worrying them,

if there are no patients then how will their shops run? The Swami is frantically

trying to eradicate disease.

 

Regarding Sanyasi and money:- There was a famous swami Anand swamiji. he was an

affluent grahash man who owned the urdu paper 'Milaap'. He took sanyas and with

hat a vow that he will not touch money but once he finished giving lectures in

Merrut he had to go elsewhere but he had no money. he was standing at the bus

stand not able to buy ticket for himself, then some one known passed by, he

bought him the ticket. and on that day Swami broke his vow.

 

the church is doing so much work for the needy. but they convert and we happily

give money to them saying at least they are doing good work. their priests live

in such luxury. But we happily overlook that.  So isn't this Swami doing good

work. We should be proud of him. A lone man how much he is performing/ Perhaps

only because he is a sanyasi he can do so much.

 

I know two yoga teachers who find fault with him simply because they canot match

him being in the same line. earlier they used to criticize sri sri Ravishankar.

 

Regarding promoting his pharmacy:- he says just pranayaams are enough. He says

only in dire cases they should take his medicines. And once cured they should

sustain themelves only by pranaayams.

We in India have a unique Identity which our power inheritors(1947) did nothing

to preserve. Here is a man who is trying to restore it. Please do not pull his

leg to stop him from doing so. do not feel insecure as there is plenty in the

universe for everyone and please do not try to thrive on human misery. it may

harm us. Money comes any which way, only thing is we are ignorant.

 

This has become a forum for Baba Ramdev. He is not looting Indians. The pharma

companies, the allopathic doctors, the hospitals are looting not only the

Indians but the whole world. and how eagerly and whole heartedly we succumb to

the viles of them. Not only that we praise them to high heavens. A relative dies

and we say " but he was in the hands of the best doctor " which doctor? who takes

a cut in everything he prescribes and so neither lets  your patient live nor

lets him die. He is under a vow not to say yes to any other pathy. I know of a

doctor who prescribes every thing to his patient but not to his wife.

 

The vaidyas on this forum are taking him to be competition. They have not heard

him speak. I have heard him on TV day after day. Every now and then i sit and

hear him again testing him if the money has gone into his head but i find him

the same. He is promoting Divya pharmacy what do you expect him to say, Buy

Zhandu's or baidyanath's or Himalayas. If it is his business then he has done a

commendable job of making it a success. which company does not advertise? He has

found an ingenious way to do so. 'Kudos' to him. If we canot do such a thing we

need not criticise others.

 

He also says that do not take any medicine just try and cure yourself only by

yoga. Only in dire instances the medicines are required and to get rod of them

as soon as possible. Please hear him out day after day after day then you will

understand him. 

 

He was giving free medicines, people started taking them for Rs 2ooo-3000 and

next day they would come and return them and take the cash for those returned

medicines. He said this in one of the morning TV programmes. From then on they

stopped giving free medicines. We have to give credit to the fact that aloe vera

juice which was coming for Rs 1000 is available for Rs 200.

 

Though the composition of the medicines is given in the ancient texts and they

cannot differ,  Dr kamal Dutt, but why the Arjunaristh of Baidyanath is too

sweet and that of Nagarjuna so bitter. The other Kerala pharmacies have

in-between taste for the same.

[Guest guest]

Yashendra and Mridulaji,

 

Hari Om !

 

Please do accept my thanks for a beautiful & meaningful statement

on Sannyas. May I explain the ideal, foundation & responsibility of

sannyas as a clarification on the basis of Srimad Bhagavadgita, please !

 

The word sannyas comes from the Sanskrit 'samnyas': this is derived from

two roots: sam - complete, total; and nyasa- abandonment, setting aside.

The ideal of sannyas is the perfect abandonment of one's material,

emotional and intellectual attachments, so that the situations of life

can be seen clearly and used to enhance awareness and understanding.

Without renunciation and detachment, one can never see the world

objectively as it is. Only when freed of self-identification, personal

desires and ambitions, can the mystery of life begin to be unravelled,

so that one begins to perceive the underlying reality hidden beneath the

appearances of the world. Only this knowledge, and nothing else, can

bring you security and peace of mind.

 

Renunciation and detachment are the foundations of sannyas. These are

the two qualities which distinguish a sannyasin from other people. It is

the quest of a sannyasin to attain perfect renunciation and detachment,

for that is the state of complete egoless-ness, the highest state of

consciousness.

 

Renunciation is a symbolic outer action, the act of leaving behind the

objects and habits which bind the individual to a pattern of life in

which the consciousness cannot be liberated and higher levels of

awareness cannot be developed and sustained. Detachment is essentially

an inner attitude. It is the breaking of the bondage of the mind to

possessions, people and property. Renunciation and detachment cannot

really be considered separately, because they cannot exist independently

from each other. They are like the two sides of one coin. Renunciation

is the outer action while detachment is the inner attitude which

accompanies it. They grow hand in hand all throughout sannyas life. One

who lives according to these two principles and has received initiation

into spiritual life from the guru, is called a sannyasin.

What is actually renounced?

Some consider that it is one's selfish motives, while others say that it

is the world itself which is renounced. Still others maintain that it is

only those actions which are not conducive to human welfare or which

create difficulties for others, which are to be renounced. Therefore the

sannyasin requires discrimination in order to know for himself what it

is that he renounces!

 

External renunciation is actually of little value without first

renouncing the ego- the principle of self-motivation. Otherwise the more

external objects that are renounced, the stronger the ego will become.

However, if the sannyasin principally renounces the ego, then attachment

to objects will automatically diminish without any effort. It is never

the object itself which has to be renounced, but the ownership, the

attachment to it. Only when the relationship between the owner and the

object is perceived very clearly does freedom from the illusion of the

object arise. There is nothing to renounce in life beyond our

attachments and our basic instincts. The sannyasin sacrifices his lower

self, his instinctive life, for the sake of a higher life.

How renunciation leads to a higher life

Liberation cannot be attained without renunciation. This is because the

veil of ignorance cannot be lifted while one is still personally

involved in worldly life. The secret of renunciation is to want nothing.

Renunciation of one's family and material life is not enough. What is

required is renunciation of egoism, small-mindedness and all the

negative qualities that stand in the way of spiritual evolution.

 

Renunciation makes one fearless and happy. The wealth of the whole world

belongs to one who has renounced all selfish motivation. Nature cares

for him wherever he goes and his material needs are satisfied by

themselves. One who possesses the divine virtues of renunciation and

detachment radiates peace and bliss, and is welcomed by all. For him

there is no such thing as a stranger, and the whole world is his home.

 

In the worldly life, people are happy for five minutes and then weep for

the next five minutes. Only in the highest consciousness, which is

attained by renunciation and detachment, is there eternal bliss. This is

why no one can imitate the blissful smile of a sannyasin.

Renunciation or higher gratification?

Although sannyas is the way of renunciation, one initially decides to

tread this path because of desire. Man's real desire is for the higher

life, and in sannyas, the gratification of all lesser desires is

re-channelled towards this single major aim. One can have ambition,

social ideals, sensual expression, or any form of desire, large or

small, yet still be a renunciate. How are these transcended in spiritual

life? While everyone has desire, the spiritual aspirant utilises and

directs it to strengthen and stabilise the highest states of awareness.

The sannyasin sees, feels and experiences everything before him, but he

totally renounces that feeling we experience when something is taken

away. He renounces not the object, but that feeling. The object will

always be there, but the attachment to the object, craving the

experience of, the object, must be eliminated.

 

The energy that is directed towards any desire is so powerful, and has

so much force behind it that it has to be expressed in some way in order

to avoid suppression and disease. Most people express it externally on

the physical plane in a way that is never full or complete. Thus it

leaves buds that flower and produce the fruits of dissatisfaction,

discontent, restlessness, frustration and emptiness. The sannyasin,

however, learns to link and direct this dissipated energy towards a

higher and greater fulfilment. Through selfless service and total

dedication all the desires become unified into a single desire, and as

the energy and concentration increase, the mind becomes extremely

powerful, like a laser beam, able to pierce to the very core of

existence.

 

Renunciation and responsibility

 

Although the sannyasin lives in this world without attachments, he never

acts carelessly or irresponsibly. Responsibility means 'the ability to

respond'. It is detachment which enables the sannyasin to respond to all

life's situations creatively. Detachment is not a listless

un-involvement in life, but is a living sacrifice. With detachment one

strives for perfection, but without any expectation for the fruits or

results of the work. Because he is free from personal involvement and

problems, a sannyasin is able to shoulder a double work load. A

sannyasin works for the benefit of all, considering the work itself as

sufficient cause or motive and sharing with others whatever fruits

result from the work.

 

Isn't sannyas an escape?

 

No one can escape from life. Realising this, the sannyasin does not

choose to reject life or escape from it but rather to embrace life

fully. Only a person who has no personal attachments can wholeheartedly

accept life for what it is, and be open in all situations. It is the

person whose life is centred in his possessions and relationships who is

escaping from the reality of life. The security of attachment is unreal,

it can never be permanent- and when it falls away, understanding dawns

only with the pain of disillusionment.

 

The sannyasin realises that suffering is a part of life and must be

endured by everyone. Suffering is the price of higher awareness so the

sannyasin utilises and accepts it equally, as a part of his own and

everyone else's life. It is only the worldly person, devoted to 'the

pleasure principle' who is forever seeking to avoid pain in his life.

Pain is inevitable, and the sannyasin realises that it is folly to spend

his life hiding from it. He accepts pleasure and pain equally, and

attempts to maintain an equal mind throughout. Sannyas is not escaping

from, but shaping up to life.

 

Those who interpret sannyas as an escape from the responsibilities of

life have misunderstood sannyas completely. Sannyasins are people who

want to live-life fully and not withdraw from it. Sannyas life enhances

responsibility in all situations. A sannyasin is not an inactive

recluse, but one who has renounced within action in order to be more

efficient and responsible in the battlefield of life. People who are

dynamic by temperament, devoted to their responsibilities, should not

think that they are unsuitable for sannyas. They most definitely are

suited. Sannyas will awaken within them a state of dynamic positivity,

bestowing inner peace within the fulfilment of duties and

responsibilities.

 

Inner peace is not attained by renouncing all actions, all karmas, but

by living life in all its fullness, with the awareness and detachment

which sannyas training develops.

 

Extroversion or introversion:

 

Many people feel that it is necessary to be introverted by nature in

order to be successful in sannyas life, but this is not so. Spiritual

insight and awareness is actually more readily available to a person who

is extrovert by nature. This is because people who are introverted find

it very difficult to maintain a continuous flow of awareness. In sannyas

life, even those people who are introvert by nature become more

extrovert.

 

Sannyas life awakens and widens the scope of the sensory activities

through work and constant awareness which develops all five senses.

Contrary to popular belief, in spiritual life, one has to become more

aware of, and more sensitive to the outside world. At a particular stage

of evolution, the sannyasin becomes very extroverted. This is not to say

that he is given over to sensual life, but he becomes aware of

everything which is outside, and can be received or understood by the

senses.

 

Those people who are already extroverted can reach this stage more

easily and more rapidly than those who are introverted. The extrovert

responds directly to sensory stimuli, while the introvert has to learn

to externalise his sensory perceptions, develop them, make them more

keen and sensitive. Then he can benefit by introverting them again to

follow the discipline of pratyahara (sense withdrawal), dharana

(concentration) and dhyana (meditation).

 

Introversion is actually a spiritual disqualification in sannyas life.

In the ashram, when a sannyasin is introverted, he is never allowed to

practice meditation because he has not learned to manipulate and control

the mind. If the mind dives deep, he does not have the capacity to bring

it back out. Therefore, the mind should not be introverted until it is

first extroverted, developed and stabilised. Introversion leads to

neurotic behaviour. When the sannyasin learns to balance extroversion

and introversion, he is able to soar to the inner heights while

simultaneously performing his outer duties to perfection.

 

Now Baba Ramdevji-a topic for present discussion

 

The forum has discussed a lot........ and it's not bad but during

discussion, a few spices like hatred, jealousy and egoism of superiority

must not be mixed-up with, please ! Till Swami Ramdev utilizes the money

for the betterment of people & the Indian Society, he behaves like a

Sannyasin. Please don't try to find out the faults in him, try to

understand his motives to reach a great GOAL.

 

With best wishes and thanks again,

 

Swami Brahmavidyananda Saraswati

 

A Sannyasi from Rishikesh, India

 

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[Guest guest]

One last one on this topic from my side just to bring home one fact. Someone

here said that he saw in one of the shivirs, one poor woman plead with Swami

ramdev to give free medicine for her child and he did not give. Firstly the

shivirs are only yoga shivirs and secondly if the travelling vaidyas do examine

some people who ask for it. They do not carry medicines at the shivirs they

write them down and ask you you get them from their facility. which is elswhere

in the city. This allegation is something like how some politicians were

putting.

[Guest guest]

dear Mridulajee.

I Apreciate ur bhakti for him.  But this is fact . I was there with babajee and

balkrushnjee,even medicines were there with them from the divya pharmacy.One

gantleman paid money on behalf of that poor women. Baba or balkrushna jee were

not ready to help her... who is respected - that man or babajee ? I again

apreciate ur devotee.

dr kamaldutt vaidya. vadodara

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Firstly the shivirs are only yoga shivirs and secondly if the travelling vaidyas

do examine some people who ask for it. They do not carry medicines at the

shivirs they write them down and ask you you get them from their facility.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

I feel most of doctors or so called private vaidyas feel jealous of him

because what he has done in one lifetime, they can't do in seven births.

But, everybody has his luck. How many times you yourself given any free

medicine to any patient Mr Kamal Vaidya. See yourself before speaking

against great personalities.

 

Thanks,

Neeraj.

__

 

One gantleman paid money on behalf of that poor women. Baba

or balkrushna jee were not ready to help her

[Guest guest]

We should appreciate and applaud for all that Baba Ramdev is

doing for the people unlike us busy only in criticizing him and trying

to find fault in whatever he is doing and ascribing motives for

all that he is doing.

 

N Bhashyam

_____

 

I feel most of doctors or so called private vaidyas feel jealous of him

because what he has done in one lifetime, they can't do in seven births.

[Guest guest]

Dear group members.

A few things I want to tell here about this group postings.

First of all I want to state that this forum is not like any Parliament where

instead of Agreements, Arguments always go on without any outcome.

Here in this group we have many talented Ayurveda physicians possessing

good knowledge about Ayurveda plus Allopathy (Western medical science). They r

responding to the querries of many curious people across the globe. As far as

treatment is concerned, these doctors afford treatment modalities like

Panchkarma (Detoxification), oral ayurveda medications told in the ancient

granthas as per their self knowedge and experience. Home remedies, which r

almost free of cost for a patient, r stated here for the benefit of the person

seeking advices.

Some people raised questions about the genuinity of this forum and the

knowledge of the doctors, posting answers for the querries. I want to state some

true hidden things to all.

Some people say, doctors who r degree holders, always charge for their

service towards the treatment. They never provide free service or medicines to

anybody, instead they always criticise some person (here Baba Ramdev). If these

people think like this only, then they r totally wrong. I want to ask these

people one simple question. Do they think that the group moderator Jane Macross

pay them their charges for the postings here? Isn't this activity itself is like

social service provided without charging their fees? How can they ignore this

simple view? I can state many examples likewise here. But it would be very

lengthy !

Some tried to prove their point with changing my name (Mr.Ayurveda_For_All

!). I don't have any problem with it though. The mindset is important here. If

we want to prove our point, we should be genuine to prove it honestly. But this

has not been done here. A very sad thing. I won't term this as Hatred !

Some people have Trikal drushti. They can see the fortunes of everybody.

They can say that within the coming 7 Births, some things can't be done by some

person. If this is true, then these people r the true God of this Kalyug who r

Antaryami (A person who can see the fortunes of everybody). Everybody should

pray & worship them. If this is false, then who have given them right to abuse

anyone like this? They should be punished.

Some say they r not doctors (not the holders of any government degree of

medicine). But possess knowledge of medicine. They state the treatments after

reading some medical books or from their self experience. When some doctor posts

some answer to some querry, they cross eamine them ! My question here is that,

if medical science is so much easy like this (if u can post here treatments for

any disease), then y there is need to go for the academic courses of BAMS or

BHMS? Y do people spend thousands & lakhs of rupees for a government recognised

12 " X 16 " degree certificate? It is total waaste of money & time too.

Indeed the person who have to post some view here should be a good

Philosopher. So that he can post things in Bigger & Larger posts. When u have

these types of postings, then & then only people will say that the person,

posting his/her view is genuine & possess good knowledge. Otherwise there is not

any importance for the post. The Bigger & Larger post, the Greater Knowldge u

have ! This is the Mantra here irrespective of the medical knowledge they

possess !

When Dr.Kamal or myself stated that we see some things which r either not

genuine or opposite of the known, we have bad mouth !. We posted some views

which r true and against Baba Ramdev. It caused so much hatred that these people

went on to a conclusion that Baba Ramdev is our (All doctors') competitor & he

is going on eating our livelihood ! And for this reason we r doing bad publicity

of him !

Some say we the BAMS or BHMS graduates should have the self belief in our

system of medicine. Very true fact. But all the medical sciences r not 100 %

effective for every condition of any disease. In Emergency, we have to take the

help of Allopathy science. Not a single person will stay in the clinic of Vaidya

or a Homeopath at his last time. He will definitely be admitted in some hospital

for all types of emergency situations where Allopathy works more than all the

alternative medical sciences. We don't have any right to criticise Allopathy

science everytime. Even the great Acharyas of Ayurveda always insisted to take

the help of other medical sciences at that time.

Some suggest that there is ample for everybody in this Universe & everybody

will have their share from that. So, there is not any need to worry about any

doctor or a Doctorate as a competitor ! Don't criticise anybody, u all can have

ur share for the living ! But u should not state bad things about some person

for his negative side who is very popular.

Some stated about the meaning of Sanyas with some definitions. We all know,

the meaning of Sanyasi. Dharma, Artha, Kama & Moksha r the 4 Purusharthas. The

last one is Moksha. It is the end. To gain it, we must go for the

Vanaprasthashram, which literally means to go away from ur family, ur property,

ur belongings everything. U should live for urself only.

We all know the meaning of coma. It is the deep sleep where the Brain

senses become so diminish that, the person can't feel even a sharp pain. Mostly

is the end stage of life. Very few poeple can come back from this stage. We can

say that, he is away from all his family, belongings, property etc as his Brain

senses r not working for the same. This condition is termed as Sanyas in

Ayurveda. Sanyas means End of life, not the beginning. If Sanyas means the

detachment to respond the life's situations creatively & to live total life,

what will this comatose person going to do creative? Will he do creative for

him/herself or for humanity in the state of coma? If this is not the true

meaning of Sanyas then it will mean that, the Great Acharyas of Ayurveda were

wrong ! They must not term this condition as Sanyas !

This would be my concluding post in this series of Baba Ramdev. I always

wanted to say that, every coin has 2 sides. We should see these both for the

benefit of everybody.

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> I feel most of doctors or so called private vaidyas feel jealous of him

because what he has done in one lifetime, they can't do in seven

births.............

[Guest guest]

Dear mrudulajee.

I read ur wtite up specially for me.

U r right as ur view

My indication was only that all the companies are doing good, even swamiji's

Arjunarist may be differ in taste. that doesnt mean others are not ok.

I always respect Swamijee Due to his hard work on yog and Ayurved -people are

awaired.

Ayurved practioner like me also got banifited.

Just I said that all are doing well not baba only.

I never criticise any body . And Baba is always respective for all of us.

Sorry if I heart u. My meaning was not that.

dr kamaldutt,

____________________________

 

Though the composition of the medicines is given in the ancient texts and they

cannot differ,  Dr kamal Dutt, but why the Arjunaristh of Baidyanath is too

sweet and that of Nagarjuna so bitter. The other Kerala pharmacies have

in-between taste for the same.

[Guest guest]

First of all how can you compare baba ramdev to other companies?

companies doing this for making money not for any public welfare!

beside it, Baba Ramdev is doing all of this for public welfare and

he is telling buy only Indian products, because if we purchase foreign products

our Indian congruency  valued will go down,  and it is affect our Indian small

scale business

so please be positive and do all of that Baba Ramdev not for country it is also

beneficial to you or your family also.

 

Because it is maximum person in Indian they are born in India but they are

foreigners and they will happy to use foreign product to show there status, they

all are fool only.

 

If any one have any problem and any objection or doubt call me directly

 

0 9300587076

Virendra

[Guest guest]

Dear Virendra,

If some one wants to give service to the society. He should work on no benifite

bases. Instead of this Baba is selling all the medicines on higher costs. If u

want to serve - give medicines on no profite bese, people are giving money and

society cant get benifite - is not strange? 

I never against him. He is a great saint and movement maker in India.

Please dont take me wrong. I always respect him. I only criticise his strategy

of money making. If enough money is there then some one should start to serve.

 

thank u.

dr kamaldutt

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.........how can you compare baba ramdev to other companies?

companies doing this for making money not for any public welfare!

beside it, Baba Ramdev is doing all of this for public welfare.....

[Guest guest]

Dear Ayurveda_for_ you,

 

1. You are erroneously taking Sanyas and 'Sanyas-ashram' as one and the same !

Dear Sir, the experts of Ayurveda are not wrong. Its we who misinterpret them.

 

Sanyas implies non-attachement to material world. Whereas Sanyas Ashrma is the

fourth -stage of life for an " average worldly person " . Not all. Please do not

mix -up the two.

 

Ideally speaking, a person shud be detached from material worlds right from the

birth. Only such Sanyasis can enjoy the material world. Because, being detached

from the material world they can rule it, use it and consume it..... Whereas the

non-Sanyasis whose senses are attached to material world ( maya) are consumed by

Maya ! ! Pls note the major difference>>> Sanyasi is Master of material wealth.

A non-Sanyasi is a Slave of material wealth.

 

The non-Sanyasi is consumed by the material world. He is not in a position to

consume money. His sense are totally controlled by worldly things. >>>>>

 

But we are not living in an Ideal situation. Everybody is not a Sanyasi by

birth.It depends totally on how evolved he is. Every individual is on diff.

points on the ladder of evolution, u know.

 

So, a general system of 4 ashrmas in Life has been prescribed by the Sages,

keeping in mind the lowest common denominator. It means this system of 4 ashram

( Brahmchari, Grihasth, Vanprasth and Sanyas) is made keeping in mind that it

suits the common man who is NOT so developed. This system tells the common man:

" At least practice Sanyas in the fag end of life. "

 

The Ashrma -system NOWHERE forbids a person to move faster on the ladder of

evolution and practice Sanyas right from the beginning ! Does it stop a person

from aiming for the best right in the beginning of life ???? Not at all. >>>>

So, do not confuse between Sanyas and 'Sanyas-Ashrma'.

 

2.  All Sanyasis can attain Dharm, Arth, Kaam, Moksha.

 

i) Dharm comes from the root 'Dhri " of Sanskrit which means 'that which

upholds'. In other words, all that which upholds existence ( Being) and

furtherance (Becoming) of Life is Dharma. This Dharma is eternal and universal

and latent in Nature. The eternal and universal laws by which Nature sustains

and works is DHARMA. ( It shud not be confused with the term religion).

 

Nothing stops a Sanyasi from practising this Sanatan & Shaswat Dharma. In fact,

by practising and propogating this Dharma, one becomes a Sanyasi !!

 

ii) Arth: Arth means material wealth. As a Sanyasi is deattached from material

wealth, he can control and use it for the benefit of the entire society ! A

sanyasi is best placed person to use money. That is the reason 'daan' is given

to Sadhu-Sanyasis, not those who are attached to money. ....... People are

giving donations to Ramdev Baba because they feel that he is using it for larger

good of the society, not for personal aggrandizement.

 

iii) Kaam : Kaam means propogation of oneself. This is the real Vedic meaning of

Kaam. Now u see, there are people who propogate themselves by serving others, by

intellectual means, by research and scientific investigations, by discovering

new things for society, by creating various ways to serve others. Such people

find propogation of themselves in serving others. .....  On the contrary, there

are some people who just go on reproducing children...they seek propogation only

on physical plane of existence ! .. Are you getting my point ? ..... I will give

u one example: Intellectually advanced and secure society where danger to

physical existence is less, have less population. People in such socities, or

such individuals (who have no fear of death) do not have large no. of children.

becoz they

do not depend upon physical procreation to continue their existence on

earth...... Whereas less intellectual and less spiritual people whose mind is

mostly on physical plane have large no. of children becoz they fear physical

death. They seek security in numbers, in quantity !!!

 

So, a Sanyasi practices the real " Kaam " . However, a Sanyasi need not be

celibate. Most of our great Sages like Vashisth, Bharadwaj, Markandeya, Bhrigu,

Atri, Gautam etc, were NOT Celibate.  They had children too. So, a Sanyasi may

or may not have children. It does not matter. Adi Shanakarachayra and Swami

Vivekananda remained celibate and did not marry.

 

v) Mokhsha: Mokhsha means mukti... liberation ! From what ? There are variopus

types of Mokshas or liberation. The first and foremost is liberation from the

slavery of material world. One seeks a libetartion of his sensory organs from

the clutches of maya. ...... Another liberation is from the cycle of birth and

death. .......... But Moksha DOES NOT and NEVER means the " End of Life " !!!!!! 

Moksha is not synonymous with death. Death does not necessarily liberates one

from the slavery of Maya or from the cycle of birth and death !!  .............

A person can attain Moksha and continue living in this world for the greater

good of society. Buddha, Ramkrishna Paramhansm, Chaitnaya, Adi Shanakra are

great examples. ........ We shud also note that some souls who have attained

Moksha (liberation ) from the cycle of birth n death also take birth as human

beings for specific missions to serve people, for greater good.

 

rgds

Yashendra

 

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Some stated about the meaning of Sanyas with some definitions. We all know, the

meaning of Sanyasi. Dharma, Artha, Kama & Moksha r the 4 Purusharthas. The last

one is Moksha. It is the end. To gain it, we must go for the Vanaprasthashram,

which literally means to go away from ur family, ur property, ur belongings

everything. U should live for urself only.

We all know the meaning of coma. It is the deep sleep where the Brain senses

become so diminish that, the person can't feel even a sharp pain. Mostly is the

end stage of life. Very few poeple can come back from this stage. We can say

that, he is away from all his family, belongings, property etc as his Brain

senses r not working for the same. This condition is termed as Sanyas in

Ayurveda. Sanyas means End of life, not the beginning. If Sanyas means the

detachment to respond the life's situations creatively & to live total life,

what will this comatose person going to do creative?

[Guest guest]

Dear dr kamaldutt

 

Yes. Ramdev baba takes profit. But where does that extra money go ? isnt he

using that extra money to fund more and more of projects and works for Yoga,

Ayurveda and development of the society ?

 

He is not using that for personal aggrandizement. He is doing what the Govt. of

India has failed to do in 60 years and we have also failed to do that !!

 

It is not who is benefitting from that 'profit', rather the whole society !!

 

As long as Baba Ramdev is doing this he is great and shud be respected.

 

Yashendra

 

______________________________

If some one wants to give service to the society. He should work on no benifite

bases. Instead of this Baba is selling all the medicines on higher costs. If u

want to serve - give medicines on no profite bese, people are giving money and

society cant get benifite - is not strange?

[Guest guest]

Baba Ramdev has done a lot to nation and we all respect him. However, one thing

which Patnjali yogpeeth should control is to reduce cost of ayurvedic medicine

slightly so, everyone can benefit from it.

_________________

> It is not who is benefitting from that 'profit', rather the whole society.

[Guest guest]

Dear Group Moderator,

Seeing your lengthy and useless message and support for kamal dutt(***** -

inappropriate language edited by moderator), i can now fully understand that

this forum is totally moderated/controlled by a set of physicians/doctors who

want to use this group for their selfish benefits. This is proven by the facts

that this thread(swami ramdev sanyasi or businessman) is the most active thread

on this group and most of your so called experts or you yourself are busy

writing for this thread that too with selfish motives, rather than replying

to other useful messages and providing information useful to group members by

giving satisfactory answers to the questions of people regarding ayurveda/yoga

or ayurvedic cure for diseases for which I suppose this group was created. But,

indian public is smarter than ever and understands difference between fake and

real very well.

 

Also, don't be too proud of the degrees possessed, as holding more number of

degrees, doesn't make a better doctor necessarily and talent is nobody

monopoly(example is the person in whose name this thread is running).

Posting larger messages with lot of garbage also won't make you a better doctor

Mr. Moderator. I would rate message by Mr. Yashendra Prasad(very well explained

different ashramas of life according to hindu philosphy) as the best one on this

message board. Hope more useful messages like this one come out of this group

rather than endless discussion on this topic.

 

Thanks,

Neeraj.

 

(Moderator adds - Though this message has its right place in the thrash can, it

is allowed to show the smart Indian public how fanatics are taking control of

ayurveda. A righteous person should not be afraid of criticism. We also are not.

However to put the record straight, this message is a reply to message

no:-17011(http://health.ayurveda/message/17011)

which is posted by member ayurveda_for_you who is not on the moderation team.

Neeraj maybe believes that the best form of defence is offence, so after running

out of valid responses, he has started attacking the moderation team. A simple

glance at past 17,000+ messages will bring forward the hollowness of his

accusations. Finally I wish to state that if Baba Ramdev's enterprise ever

fails, it will be because of the fanatical support by people like Neeraj and not

because of consructive criticisers like the one's he has ranted against.)

 

 

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> Here in this group we have many talented Ayurveda physicians possessing

> good knowledge about Ayurveda plus Allopathy (Western medical

science)...............

[Guest guest]

It would really be nice if this thread could be put to rest and we could get on

with the topics for which this forum was intended… Noel