Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Mumbai Mirror has printed the following article in MM dated 9th October 2009. It is shocking that a paper published by an established company like TOI prints such biased article. Instead of printing specific instances, they have printed against whole ayurveda. Our body has built in mechanism to accept what is required and to reject what is not required. Ayurvedic ingredients are naturally grown and metals and phyto steroids are bound to be there. Did they check the other junk food a patient gulps for heavy metals and steroids? Has any one asked our mother whether she has checked the food she was eating when she was carrying us in her uterus for heavy metals and steroids? We have been taking this type of injustice lying down and never tried to protest. ====================================================================== The article: http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=TU1JUi8yMDA5LzEwLzA5I0FyMDA\ \ 4MDA= & Mode=HTML & Locale=english-skin-custom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 I do agree to you cause it is a issue being highly blown up .protest of any form should be in all possible ways , also the forum of practitioners as well as the pharma who produce ayurvedic medicine with authentic and good practices are needed to come together to address the issue. ____________ Mumbai Mirror has printed the following article in MM dated 9th October 2009. http://epaper. timesofindia. com/Repository/ ml.asp?Ref= TU1JUi8yMDA5LzEw LzA5I0FyMDA\ 4MDA= & Mode=HTML & Locale=english- skin-custom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 I have written the following letter to the Editor of Mumbai Mirror: ============================================================== The Editor Mumbai Mirror Mumbai Sir, I refer to the news article written by Santosh Andhale in MM dated 9th October 2009 titles as Ayurvedic Medicine-? Check again. Prima facie, it looks like a planted article. I have some questions: 1. Does Santosh Andhale knows any thing about ayurveda? 2. Did Rohan Dukle get the ayurvedic medicine tested in any lab for the metal content? 3. Is the doctor from Bombay Hospital an ayurvedic doctor or allopath? If he is an allopath, what knowledge he has got about ayurveda? How he can comment about ayurveda as a whole and suspect that it might be due to high mercury level in ayurveda? Get the medicine tested first and then comment. 4. Did Rohan buy the product of any reputed company? Did he buy an over the counter product or any ayurveda doctor has given him? 5. What is the general food habit of Rohan? What else he is eating? Is he checking all the food he is eating for toxins? Has he followed the normal diet an acidity patient has to follow while taking treatment? 6. How many patients Dr.Nirmal Surya attends in a year? All the comments from the doctors are either probable or suspected and there is no specific verdict that they have caused due to ayurveda? 7. You have mentioned that Duke has consulted at least 50 doctors including psychiatrist. Do you have the names and degrees of these 50 doctors? Are they allopaths? Homeopaths? ayurvedic physicians? 8. What Bhasma Jaswant Modi has taken? Just writing Bhasma does not serve any purpose. Did he really take the bhasma for indigestion or for some thing else? From where he has taken the bhasma and what is the name of the bhasma? Why he has not complained to the police? I feel this nothing but yellow journalism. Without studying the matter in deep, you have printed the heading as Ayurvedic Medicine? Check again? Your paper has published this type of news articles in the past also. It does not look decent to print such news articles from a group like TOI. I would like to talk to Mr.Santosh Andhale and explain him what is ayurveda and what are the heavy metals. Stop publishing this type of half baked articles. Government of India has AYUSH department to promote alternative therapy. Why Santosh Andale has not written to them before publishing such article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Dear , I really appreciate ur write up. The writer of MM article does not know abcd of Ayurved. we must fight against this kind of psudo writer who writes for publicity only. They do not know about principle of Ayurved.Method of prepering Bhasmas and other medicines.This type of writers do not keep own knoladge of subject.they are depending on others knoladge. Dr Kamaldutt Vaidya Vadodara. __________________ I refer to the news article written by Santosh Andhale in MM dated 9th October 2009 titles as Ayurvedic Medicine-? Check again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 From your letter I get an impression that you must be a ayurvedic doctor or have good experience in the field of ayurvedic medicine. When we talk about Ayurvedic medicine, one question comes to mind. where & how therapeutic drug monitoring of Ayurvedic medicine is performed before it is introduced in commercial market? SV Paralkar ______ I refer to the news article written by Santosh Andhale in MM dated 9th October 2009 titles as Ayurvedic Medicine-? Check again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hi, Unfortunately these sort of articles are appearing in the press all over the world but to date there has been no real scientific based reply to these sort of accusations. Many Ayurveda experts who have used these herbal compounds for years, and we know they have been in use for several hundred years when it comes to the use of mercury and other heavy metals. Charka, to my knowledge may have used bhasmas but never used heavy metals, it is a more recent addition to Ayurveda. In many countries outside India these sorts of medicines are no longer used, not because they are ineffective but rather because there is no scientific research to back up the claims of these drugs in Ayurveda and secondly there is no testing done on these drugs to prove that they are not in fact toxic (heavy metal toxicity). It would be a good service for Ayurveda if the manufacturers of these products could do several things: 1. Publish any research, or do the required valid scientific research to show that these drugs are in fact effective so that we can provide this to the scientific community that questions Ayurveda. (It is not valid proof just to say you have used it for years and know they work unless you can back it up with research). 2. Set some standards for testing metal based Ayurvedic drugs that prove either a) They they are not toxic or contain any heavy metals which are considered harmful above a certain level b) If in fact they are toxic but this is considered valid in Ayurveda then supply some rational and scientific proof that this is so. The article you are referring to may be the first one you have seen in India. The scientific world is very active today and you can be sure you will see more of this sort of thing in India unless this is dealt with appropriately. Ayurveda is considered a science, thus it needs to respond in a scientific way to these claims. There may be some valid research out there, who knows? If there is however then this would greatly help is shifting the tide of current thought on this subject. Namaste John __ The writer of MM article does not know abcd of Ayurved. we must fight against this kind of psudo writer who writes for publicity only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I am not a doctor but I own a ayurvedic remedy for CAD. What I know is that ayurveda is not an evidence based science. The ingredients are there since generations. The Vaidyas/Doctors check the pulse of a patient and prepare the yog suitable to the patient. This is the reason our govt. has formed the department AYUSH and earmarked substantial budget for conducting research on ayurveda and promot it's globally. ___________________ From your letter I get an impression that you must be a ayurvedic doctor or have good experience in the field of ayurvedic medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear Sir, Congradulations on your reply to the editor. It is crisp and to the point. I would like to know more about your background and work. More on hearing from you, Regards Vivek _____ > I have written the following letter to the Editor of Mumbai Mirror: http://health.ayurveda/message/16748 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I agree with John. As an ayurvedic practitioner, I am inclined to believe that correctly-prepared mineral and metal preparations have a high benefit/risk ratio. However, these treatments are now subject to sceptical scrutiny from governments and members of the public all around the world. Ayurveda, which claims to be scientific, needs to step up to the plate and show that it satisfies currently-agreed standards of scientific evidence. Perhaps, as you say, there is such evidence; but the difficulty of access makes it virtually worthless to the rest of us. I have tried to find evidence on toxicity and efficacy of bhasmas and heavy-metal preparations on the Internet - but in vain. Scientists and researchers in India really need to look at making their work accessible to the world. This will not only benefit others, but it will benefit Ayurveda's credibility as well. We cannot accuse journalists of not knowing the " ABC " of Ayurveda, if all they can access is stuff saying the usual things like " Ayurveda is 5000 years old and means Science of Life. " Perhaps this forum could become a repository of research results, or at least links to available research. Researchers in India, please respond to this issue, and how it could be resolved. Best regards, Gerald. Unfortunately these sort of articles are appearing in the press all over the world but to date there has been no real scientific based reply to these sort of accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I really have to believe that this article has very little merit… Using phrases like, Could cause side effects, Mercury could have caused them, Could be the cause of his health problems, And its source could be the `Ayurvedic' medicines. In this day and age with food coming from metal container, it's possible the toxic problem existed before treatment… Time tested is the only real test of anything… How many pharmaceutical drugs were approved by the FDA and then recalled because of some side effect? If time tested over thousands of years is not an evidence-based science then an evidence-based science does not exist… A scientific fact is something you can see under a microscope; A scientific theory is something you can not … It is a scientific theory that you have the ability to think because you can not see it under a microscope… Science is mans way of finding and recording useful information for the good of humanity… But useful information is only as useful as your ability to understand it… Ayurvedic physician and researchers in India are not hiding anything from the world… If you truly want to know then you need to study it enough to understand Ayurveda… Ayurveda is an energy based medicine and as long as your think in a material allopathic mind you will not understand it… Can the two survive in the same practice? Sure!… but it is allopathic thinking that needs to yield not the other way around… You can only understand this if you have been on both sides of the fence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I have also sent the email to several officers in AYUSH as under. But, as usual, being a govt. department, I do ot expect any positive result from them: ======================================== secy-ayush Cc: Ravinair2006 ; jsismh ; arora_s10 ; skpanda ; ravinderp.singh ; nmpbindia1 ; skr.sharma ; ddsharmaifs ; meenakshinegi ; dk.pandey ; garggp2004 ; ts.bhatia ; elah1-ayush ; makumar ; syed.pasha ; richas ; usmls;a.sharma ; schatterjee007 ; khullarkiran ; mukhtarqasmi ; a.raghu ; msubhani ; drvkshahi ; dr_adarsh_kumar ; drgg1955 ; maangboi ; r.patra ; Sudhir ; sope_ayush ; k.singh Sub: Yellow Journalism Can AYUSH pull up this newspaper and warn them not to print biased articles without doing proper research and giving specific instances? It seems that the artikcle was planted one by the vested interests. Mumbai Mirror has printed the following article in MM dated 9th October 2009. It is shocking that a paper published by an established company like TOI prints such biased article. Instead of printing specific instances, they have printed against whole ayurveda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I did not know how to put it in words but the methods of purifying the metals and the minerals, are written in some books. I have seen it about mercury also. All this is an integral part of ayurveda. ___________________ Perhaps this forum could become a repository of research results, or at least links to available research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 hello an efffort to document and standardise ayurveda preparation with online database search for students has been worked upon at the free internet databse at www.nlam.in [national library of ayurveda medicine] pls explore the respositry Sumit Ashok Kesarkar http://drsumit.in/ http://nlam.in/ ______________ the methods of purifying the metals and the minerals, are written in some books. _____ Perhaps this forum could become a repository of research results, or at least links to available research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 My question is simple. Is there a therapeutic drug monitoring sysem for determining dosage of medicine and its efectiveness as drug. Is Ayurvedic medicine brought in market after such procedure? This system is in force for alopathic drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 > My question is simple. Is there a therapeutic drug monitoring sysem for determining dosage of medicine and its efectiveness as drug. Is Ayurvedic medicine brought in market after such procedure? This system is in force for alopathic drugs. > No not as you think and it is your thinking that is part of the problem… Ayurveda is not a medicine, it is a way of life… and herbs are not drugs because none of the constituents has been isolated… For the most part and herbal formula is not much different then taking your patient, walking him through a grocery food store and telling the patient what foods to eat to get well… A pharmaceutical drug is where someone has isolated a particular constituent and removed all the counterbalances that nature had provided so the plant won't harm you… An herb has all that nature has provided to balance to it… Herbs are not quick fixes… They gently and slowly move you back in balance, whereas drugs push you there fast and with nothing to balance it, it will push you to far to the other side quickly… Now I know a lot of people think that food need to be checked and regulated, but what about that orange tree in your back yard that your family had been eating off of for three generations… Has that not proven it self to be a good source of vitamin C for you family… Would you not recommend it to a friend who has a cold? …Suppose you had a bunch of different fruits back there and your friend needed a good cleanse… and you know that with a certain combination of fruits it will produce these results naturally… Should we call in the FDA to regulate this process? Maybe we should bring them in to check the trace-minerals in the fruit so he doesn't get poisoned… Now with all that said yes! It is possible for an inadequacy Ayurvedic physician to add a metal, to a formula, of a patient who's body cannot process it properly… If the patients Srotas are not flowing correctly then there can be a problem, but the good Ayurvedic physician should know this and make allowances as such… I guess what I am trying to say here is that it is nuts to bring in someone to try and regulated Ayurveda… It would be a 100 times easier to bring someone in the regulate all the actives that people are using from the bible to make sure their doing it right… Is a way of life not a drug! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 " Would you not recommend it to a friend who has a cold? …Suppose you had a bunch of different fruits back there and your friend needed a good cleanse… and you know that with a certain combination of fruits it will produce these results naturally… Should we call in the FDA to regulate this process? Maybe we should bring them in to check the trace-minerals in the fruit so he doesn't get poisoned… " This is a paragraph from your mail Sir. I mean the same. All Aloe or Musli plants need not have Ayurvedic properties. I am told that there are over 100 varieties of these plants. In Ayurved shop how do you make yourself sure as which Juice or powder of Aloe or Musli is being sold across? There has to be definite specification. Rishis did lot of work on Ayurveda thousand years ago. But now these plants are grown in present circumstances. One has to be very sure of what is being administered and its Ayurvedic value. I hope I am able to put across my query Dr. SV Paralkar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I think all this should be made public through the papers that are willing to do so.As Allopaths keep putting down the efficacy of the real thing we should write articles and send to various papers who accept them . Let there be a flood of such articles. As I see I come to know enough but even my children are ready for the flu vaccines for their children as otherwise their schools will not take them. _________________ I really have to believe that this article has very little merit; Using phrases like, Could cause side effects, Mercury could have caused them, Could be the cause of his health problems, And its source could be the `Ayurvedic' medicines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 However, if your friend ended up in hospital with some sort of poisoning, would it not be wise to check the fruit that he had eaten (as well as other things he consumed) to see if it contained some poison, or if it in fact reacted by poisoning the body of some people under certain conditions. Perhaps the fruit was sprayed with some toxic chemicals to keep it free from insects or for some other reason. Yes, mercury has been used in Ayurveda for the last 3 or 4 hundred years (it is not part of original ayurveda). There have been texts written on how to purify mercury to ensure it is not toxic to the body. How do we know that all the mercury based medicines produced have been purified properly and are indeed non-toxic. Some times tradition and sticking to doing things because they have always been done is like " sticking your head in the sand " and closing your mind to something that might actually be an issue. I certainly believe that good quality fresh Ayurvedic herbs are an effective medicine to help remove toxins and blockages in the srotases but that does not mean I will not question every thing I use to make sure that the theory and reality are in fact correct. Many of the Ayurvedic herbs that are used today are also not the same as the ones quoted in the early texts such as Charaka and Susruta because the original plant was lost and no one knows how to identify it. There have been times when Ayurveda went into decline when much of the knowledge was lost. Luckily we did not loose Charaka's works during this time also. A little wisdom, foresight and open mindedness my be a good thing here and see Ayurveda remain strong in India and grow positively around the world. It has so much positiveness to offer the world, although perhaps in not the way we see it now. I can see a time when modern medicine and Ayurveda work together alongside each other to facility health and well being. Wishing you well. John _______________ " Would you not recommend it to a friend who has a cold? …Suppose you had a bunch of different fruits back there and your friend needed a good cleanse… and you know that with a certain combination of fruits it will produce these results naturally… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Indeed, publishing good peer reviewed articles and research would be a very good thing for the Ayurvedic community to do and give it a much stronger standing in the world we live in. I know that this takes a lot of work and effort but it helps everyone eventually. Namaste John _________ I think all this should be made public through the papers that are willing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 > > I mean the same. All Aloe or Musli plants need not have Ayurvedic > properties. I am told that there are over 100 varieties of these plants. > In Ayurved shop how do you make yourself sure as which Juice or powder of > Aloe or Musli is being sold across? There has to be definite specification. The answer is simple. When one is going to use herbs grown in different environments, he needs to know which herb will be more useful in which circumstances. The herbs accumulate the properties of soil, water and air in their surroundings. The principles which cause this accumulation are explained at length in Messages: 4584, 4590, 4593, 4600 A successful vaidya is a farmer and the one who understands biodynamics and why plants are useful to us, even without knowing our own anatomy. Even a trader in agricultural outputs such as grains, cereals, legumes comes across a wide variety of farm outputs. He looks at, touches, smells, tastes and knows the value of each. Every sample looks same to us, but he knows which will have more nutrients or better taste. This applies to all natural products, soils, etc. The idea that vaidya is simply a prescription writer needs to be abandoned and he must master his field totally. The traditional vaidyas in tribal region never face these difficulties, because they embrace the nature fully. The pulse is the best guide for everything; the effect of the herb, the dosage etc. >Is there a therapeutic drug monitoring sysem for determining dosage of medicine and its efectiveness as drug. To monitor the manufacturing of ayurvedic medicine, to standardise the dosages etc, where are standard patients? In ayurveda there is nothing like the dose in terms of mg per Kg body weight. To understand the broad philosophy of ayurveda, one should study the posts: 11452, 11511, 12502, 12617, 12695, 12770, 12925 a science which has well defined and monitored dosages can disable a person for lifetime: please visit: ayurveda/message/11952 The above post discusses how dosage needs to be different for each patient, not derived from some physicians reference book, a pharamacy catlogue, but from the experience of vaidya himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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