Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Nanette wrote: > I have successfully treated a patient for menopausal symptoms > primarily using yin nourishing formulas plus one for moving Liver > Stagnation (Da Bu Yin, Zuo Gui Wan, Er Xian Tang plus Jia Wei Xiao > Yao San), but she has put on 20 pounds in the past 4 months since she > started taking the tea. Has anyone had this experience before? She > also said her period started up again after a year of no periods and > I'd like to know if this is normal. Thank you. I have had this happen on enough occasions that when working w/ peri menopausal women I have then do a 30 day salvia hormonal panel. In the majority of cases the women turns out to be estrogen dominant leading to weight gain in the pelvis/thighs and the excessive estrogen would explain the period also. Causes very, generally it has to do w/ lifestyle stress, causing the Adrenaline, DHEA to be prioritized over the progesterone. Not a TCM explanation, more an integrative approach. Hope it is helpful. Warren Cargal, L.Ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 , Warren Cargal <wcargal9@b...> wrote: > I have had this happen on enough occasions that when working w/ peri menopausal women I have then do a 30 day salvia hormonal panel. In the majority of cases the women turns out to be estrogen dominant leading to weight gain in the pelvis/thighs and the excessive estrogen would explain the period also. Causes very, generally it has to do w/ lifestyle stress, causing the Adrenaline, DHEA to be prioritized over the progesterone. Not a TCM explanation, more an integrative approach. Warren: I think your comments are interesting, especially since they go into a level of detail that TCM cannot readily duplicate. Do you, then, interpret these findings in terms of TCM (for example, differentiating kidney yin and kidney yang) and treat with herbal formulas and acupuncture? Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 Jim write: > I think your comments are interesting, especially since they go into > a level of detail that TCM cannot readily duplicate. Do you, then, > interpret these findings in terms of TCM (for example, > differentiating kidney yin and kidney yang) and treat with herbal > formulas and acupuncture? yes I do interpret these findings, along w/ s & s, in terms of TCM and I treat accordingly w/ acu/herbs. However, in my experience you will still need to supplement w/ progesterone and in some cases Cal d gluterate to control the excess estrogen. In some cases if the woman can change her lifestyle somewhat to mediate the stress and reduce the enviromental exogenous hormones, the supplements can be deleted. I would suggest that this is do to the effects of the herbs/acu. A question which would be of interest is if you could resolve the Lv stagnation w/ a TCM approach would the estrogen/progesterone ratios move back into a normal range (Lv phase 2 pathways). Possible Bob Flaws would have some input on this question. The question you raise about level of detail addresses an issue about the evolution of our practice. For me these tools (urine test, blood test, hormonal panels) allow one to access a greater level of information which can then be integrated into the frame work of s & s. Would be interesting to know if this approach is being used in current TCM school teachings. Warren Cargal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 yes I do interpret these findings, along w/ s & s, in terms of TCM and I treat accordingly w/ acu/herbs. However, in my experience you will still need to supplement w/ progesterone and in some cases Cal d gluterate >>>>Try I3C Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 Hi Alon, I am a student, can you tell me what Cal d gluterate is. Thank you. Susan Arnold - ALON MARCUS Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:20 PM Re: Re: Weight Gain yes I do interpret these findings, along w/ s & s, in terms of TCM and I treat accordingly w/ acu/herbs. However, in my experience you will still need to supplement w/ progesterone and in some cases Cal d gluterate >>>>Try I3C AlonChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 , " Susan Arnold " <susan1289@c...> > I am a student, can you tell me what Cal d gluterate is. Thank you. You can read about it in the Life Extension Catalog: http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00535.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 thank you - jramholz Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:34 AM Re: Weight Gain , "Susan Arnold" <susan1289@c...> > I am a student, can you tell me what Cal d gluterate is. Thank you.You can read about it in the Life Extension Catalog:http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00535.htmlThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 am a student, can you tell me what Cal d gluterate is. Thank you. >>>It is a botanical extract from vegetables that is thought to have some protective effects against cancer and toxicity alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 I don't have the original post, but I seem to recall the original treatment protocols mentioned were only long term 'heavy' yin tonic formulas. Would can you say that long term use of yin tonics will add yin to the body - which you might say could be related to weight gain? Thinking about some menopause formulas, like the famous & effective Er Xian Tang, is mostly a Yang tonic formula... With some yin tonics. Using heavy yin tonics for a long time is going to weaken the Spleen Qi with resulting Damp accumulation. Again, I don't have the original post, so this issue may have already been addressed. Geoff > > Message: 2 > Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:50:33 -0400 > Warren Cargal <wcargal9 > Re: Re: Weight Gain > > Jim write: > > > I think your comments are interesting, especially since > they go into a > > level of detail that TCM cannot readily duplicate. Do you, then, > > interpret these findings in terms of TCM (for example, > differentiating > > kidney yin and kidney yang) and treat with herbal formulas and > > acupuncture? > > yes I do interpret these findings, along w/ s & s, in terms of > TCM and I > treat accordingly w/ acu/herbs. However, in my experience you > will still > need to supplement w/ progesterone and in some cases Cal d > gluterate to > control the excess estrogen. In some cases if the woman can > change her > lifestyle somewhat to mediate the stress and reduce the enviromental > exogenous hormones, the supplements can be deleted. I would > suggest that > this is do to the effects of the herbs/acu. A question which > would be > of interest is if you could resolve the Lv stagnation w/ a TCM > approach would the estrogen/progesterone ratios move back > into a normal > range (Lv phase 2 pathways). Possible Bob Flaws would have > some input on > this question. > > The question you raise about level of detail addresses an issue about > the evolution of our practice. For me these tools (urine test, blood > test, hormonal panels) allow one to access a greater level of > information which can then be integrated into the frame work of s & s. > Would be interesting to know if this approach is being used > in current > TCM school teachings. > > Warren Cargal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 , " Geoffrey Hudson, MTCM, L.Ac. " . > Using heavy yin tonics for a long time is going to weaken the Spleen Qi with resulting Damp accumulation. Geoff This is undoubtedly one of the ways it can happen since spleen qi and insulin levels have a lot in common in the pulses. Jim Ramholz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 19.9.2004 yes it is. i have not shared it with the group. i have shared strength & immunity increase mudra in which thumb is joined with ring finger and little finger. for weight increase & better digestion, one has to connect only to ring finger which is called prithvi mudra. this regenerates cells & bone structure. it is also used for removing fatigue and improves liver functions. try & share. DK - Steve clarke Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:51 AM weight gain There are people with weight gain requirements also.Please provide mudra info.---------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 John, Is she not growing in height? Is she emaciated? If she is healthy, then maybe it's just her body and the way it works and there's really no fixing it. I have a nephew that's 6 years old and he looks like he's 4, because of genetics and his metabolism. The dr.s have said... It's just the way he was made. My dad was like this. They tried everything. Nothing worked. He just has a really high metabolism. The only time he got over 175 (He's 6 feet tall) was when he was in the Army and was driving a jeep for a general, he ate good, did little work and pretty much wasn't asked to do anything other than drive, he actually got up to 200 lbs. I have a feeling this girl is like that. My dad weighed all of 97 lbs when he was a senior in High school. He was skinny... He has now settled at around 175. She may just be one of those kids with super metabolisms and she will need to eat more than she puts out... Now don't we all wish we had this problem. If she doesn't have anything medically wrong with her except that she isn't gaining weight, the only thing I would suggest is adding more calories where they can. Jennifer ---- blckfox 11/7/2006 12:08:14 PM Weight Gain Hello All, I have a very healthy looking four year old neighbor that has not gained an ounce in the past year. The doctors are not able to come up with any ideas as she look and checks out well. Any information/ideas to help her to gain weight is most appreciated. Thank you. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hi John, My daughter was like this. We put her through all sorts of tests but I shouldn't have bothered. I tried to get her to eat more--shouldn't have bothered. She was perfectly healthy--just small. Wasted a lot of anxiety over a normal kid. I didn't factor in that she might take after her very small paternal grandmother (my family is full of tall people). If she has plenty of energy; a normal heart; no skin problems; no bowel problems; and good hair then she's probably just fine. > [Original Message] > blckfox <John > > 11/7/2006 1:07:35 PM > Weight Gain > > Hello All, > I have a very healthy looking four year old neighbor that has not > gained an ounce in the past year. The doctors are not able to come up > with any ideas as she look and checks out well. Any information/ideas > to help her to gain weight is most appreciated. > Thank you. > John > > > > > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hi When I was small, I was really skinnny and petit, my parents kept giving me all kinds of vitamin supplements, fcod liver oil capsules, try and make me eat calorie laden food etc. But i was very energetic, and i guess that 's the way i was built. Now after 4 kids and on threshold of 40's i am still petit, i tend to put on but not much, and can lose easily, i look young for my age, I don't have to worry so mcuh about weight, though i don't really do much exercise, and i am healthy, so maybe in the long run its good if later on life u don't have to worry so much about what weight problems. J. On 11/8/06, Andrea Jones <oceanmoon wrote: > > Hi John, > My daughter was like this. We put her through all sorts of tests but I > shouldn't have bothered. I tried to get her to eat more--shouldn't have > bothered. She was perfectly healthy--just small. Wasted a lot of anxiety > over a normal kid. I didn't factor in that she might take after her very > small paternal grandmother (my family is full of tall people). > If she has plenty of energy; a normal heart; no skin problems; no bowel > problems; and good hair then she's probably just fine. > > > > [Original Message] > > blckfox <John > > > > 11/7/2006 1:07:35 PM > > Weight Gain > > > > Hello All, > > I have a very healthy looking four year old neighbor that has not > > gained an ounce in the past year. The doctors are not able to come up > > with any ideas as she look and checks out well. Any information/ideas > > to help her to gain weight is most appreciated. > > Thank you. > > John > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 , " blckfox " <John wrote: > > Hello All, > I have a very healthy looking four year old neighbor that has not > gained an ounce in the past year. The doctors are not able to come up > with any ideas as she look and checks out well. Any information/ideas > to help her to gain weight is most appreciated. > Thank you. >----------------------------- I used to be like that, wish I still was. My mom used to complain that I didn't eat enough to keep a bird alive. However, I was healthy, active, and ate when I was hungry. If you are worried about nutrition, add a daily vitamin. As I grew tall, I got thinner, but it was not a problem, just my body build. Now I am overweight (all that harping about eating enough was successfull) but still the thinnest one in the family. At the supermarket the other day I saw one tabloid with a front cover showing the too skinny bodies of some actresses with the headline " dangerously thin " , and another with the Headline " who's packing it on " and some of the most embarassing and unflattering pictures of various actresses (mostly from the back), none of whom I would describe as fat. Focusing on body size in a kid can be destructive. It is most important that she feel that she is just right, because she probably is. During growth, some kids get taller and skinnier as they grow. Some kids have growth spurts and other times remain the same size for a while. Everyone is different. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Hi, I am concerned about my weight which is not increasing since last four years. My weight is around 58 Kg and my hieght is 6 ft. I want to gain some weight but I could not find any increment in my weight. Can any one suggest me any ayurvedic help to gain weight? Stylish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Eat banana before milk and have ashwagandha in milk. for this pls ask a practitioner may be some vaidya on this forum can also tell you. __________ I am concerned about my weight which is not increasing since last four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 My teacher told us if people really needed to gain weight to eat cottage cheese and steamed beets. GB ________________ > I am concerned about my weight which is not increasing since last four years. .................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 There might be some reason for not increasing the weight . It should be found out & treated . Then the weight can be increased upto certain limit . It can depend upon the age , sex , work , habbits , food , exercise , stress any unhealthy condition etc . It is advised to contact any nearest Ayur Vaidya or to consult online . ___________ I am concerned about my weight which is not increasing since last four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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