Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Moxa on Bl-67 may be effective if needling is too painful. Kim Blankenship Jean <jeanvet wrote: Hi nieema, Several papers have confirmed the efficacy of stimulation of Bladder 67 to turn breech baby. Try this point, every day, for 20 minutes with weak stimulation (it is painfull). Good luck. Jean Joaquim Brazil. - nieema Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:58 AM Question Off Topic but important Greetings All On another group A woman asked if anyone knew any information on how to help a baby that is breech turn. She is in week 36 and is due Feb. 25th. She asked for any suggestions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hi nieema, Several papers have confirmed the efficacy of stimulation of Bladder 67 to turn breech baby. Try this point, every day, for 20 minutes with weak stimulation (it is painfull). Good luck. Jean Joaquim Brazil. - nieema Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:58 AM Question Off Topic but important Greetings All On another group A woman asked if anyone knew any information on how to help a baby that is breech turn. She is in week 36 and is due Feb. 25th. She asked for any suggestions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Hi Nieema & Jean, It is always better to moxa on UB 67 for 10 minutes bialterally and twicw a day rather than needling it. In addition to this homeopathic medicine PULSTILLA in the doese or strength oh 30 every 12 hourly is recomended by the masters of homeopathy for breech presentation. Hope this helps, Dr Shahzad. --- Jean <jeanvet wrote: > > Hi nieema, > Several papers have confirmed the efficacy of > stimulation of Bladder 67 to turn breech baby. > Try this point, every day, for 20 minutes with weak > stimulation (it is painfull). > Good luck. > Jean Joaquim > Brazil. > - > nieema > > Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:58 AM > Question Off Topic but important > > > > Greetings All > > On another group A woman asked if anyone knew any > information on how to > help a baby that is breech turn. > > She is in week 36 and is due Feb. 25th. > > She asked for any suggestions... > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ===== Dr Shahzad Anwar M.B.B.S(Pak.), DipA/C(Pak.) Lic.A/C(China), IFFATANWAR MEDICAL ACUPUNCTURE COMPLEX & AnwarShah's First C.P & Paralysis Research Center www.firstcpcenter.org 17-C, MAIN BOULEVARD FAISAL TOWN, LAHORE PAKISTAN. Ph.No.(Clinic):00 92 42 5168234 Ph.No.(Mobile):00 92 300 9400049 Fax No.:00 1 209 8855677 ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Greetings to all I must thank you all for the great help. It is great to have the group here!!! yours in good health nieema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Also have a look at this presentation http://www.gfmer.ch/Presentations_En/Pdf/Acupuncture_Gynecology_Dong.p df The final part has a section about breech, a small treatment protocol and an explanation of the mechanism of treating BL-67 Good luck Best wishes Alwin Chinese Medicine , nieema <nieema0> wrote: > > Greetings All > > On another group A woman asked if anyone knew any information on how to > help a baby that is breech turn. > > She is in week 36 and is due Feb. 25th. > > She asked for any suggestions... > > If you do have any please email me privately. > > nieema0 > > I thank you in advance > > good health and the way to maintain it > > nieema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hi does anyone have any information or tips on how to turn a breech baby as it seems that there is very little available on this topic many thanks vibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 There is lots of successful stories. Several more in the Perinatal Uses of Essential OIls unit (http://tinyurl.com/nlv4b2 ) since the other training materials really don't address pregnancy and birth much. One doula/mother is sure it indicates some unresolved obstruction that's up in the relationship between parents. Both peppermint and myrrh essential oil seem to be especially good, peppermint put where Baby's head IS, he/she tends to move away. the Myrrh story below. Twice a day 10 minutes lying on the slant board (just get a 1X12 board or some such and prop on chair or ottoman), feet up worked for me, though not in the story below. Good results are also reported using the moxa practice. There is a womb point seems to be right over the bladder where a moxibustion stick is burned close to the point warming the energetics there into more balanced healthy functioning (also used postpartum as we in Ayurveda use heat and warm massage to help the uterus to come back to size etc.) I'd like to share one of the stories. Long but worth the read: Breech babies and sweet myrrh - Anthony Stewart, Pastor and YL Eoil Distributor, 2003 Did you happen to bring the myrrh?² I asked Sarah as we headed to Tennessee with our two children, Caleb and Joseph. ³Got it right here!² answered Sarah. We also had with us our unborn baby who was about 36 weeks along,and who happened to be turned breech. (This means that the buttocks or a foot would be born first rather than the head.) We had been planning all along to have the baby at home, as we had with our two previous children. However, the baby being breech gave us some concern, since certain complications can arise during childbirth with a breech that probably would not happen with a vertex baby. We had been trying for about a week to turn the baby by using the slant board technique. This is where the mother tilts an ironing board at about a 45s angle and lies down with her head toward the floor. Often times the baby will automatically flip around after the mother has lain like this for ten or fifteen minutes. We did this three times a day and also tried playing baroque music with headphones at the area of the abdomen where we wanted the baby¹s head to be. We prayed. We even talked to the baby trying to convince it to turn on its own. All the while we were applying myrrh to Sarah¹s abdomen<two or three drops at a time. After about a week the baby still had not turned. We had been in contact with Ina May Gaskin, a midwife who lives on The Farm, a community near Summertown, Tennessee. Ina May is author of the classic book entitled Spiritual Midwifery. She is, perhaps, the most experienced person in the country in successfully dealing with breech babies. Thus, on an early Monday morning, September 17, 2001, we were headed to The Farm, about six and a half hours from where we live, to have Ina May do an external version<which is manually turning the baby head down. When we arrived, Ina May felt around on Sarah¹s tummy and confirmed that the baby was definitely still breech. Ina May wanted Sarah to be able to relax completely while she was doing the version and not be worried about kids running around. So we brought Caleb and Joseph to one of the guesthouses where they laid down for a nap. Sarah then went to Ina May¹s house. Before doing the version, Ina May wanted to do an internal exam just to be 100% sure and to assess exactly how the baby was lying in the breech position. ³I¹ll be back in a little while,² she told Sarah. ³I need to leave for a few minutes to get a sterile glove from the clinic.² Meanwhile, Sarah made herself comfortable at Ina May¹s home. She took the myrrh she had brought and proceeded to douse herself with the oil. She used much more than usual, and rubbed it all over her tummy. She then lay down and went to sleep - a very deep sleep. When Ina May returned, she decided not to disturb Sarah and let her sleep until she woke up on her own about an hour to an hour-and-a-half later. When Sarah awoke Ina May proceeded with the internal exam. Feeling slowly and carefully, she looked up suddenly and said, ³I think this feels like a head down here!² The baby had apparently turned on its own sometime during Sarah¹s deep sleep only moments before Ina May would have done the external version! Ina May then felt around on Sarah¹s abdomen and could easily identify the baby¹s little butt near Sarah¹s ribs and the head down low, just like it was supposed to be. It was both a miracle and a relief that the baby turned on its own. We had been trying for some time to get the baby to do this, but without success. Then, only moments before the midwife was going to step in, and shortly after Sarah had applied a generous amount of myrrh, the baby decided to turn. Did the myrrh assist in the baby¹s turning? We do know that myrrh was a popular oil used by pregnant and laboring women for many centuries during Biblical times. It was even one of the two oils brought to Mary and the Christ Child by the wise men. For this reason alone, I believe it to be a very important oil for women to have during pregnancy and birth. The key is that we prayed and followed what we were led to do, and we felt guided to apply myrrh which seemed to be just the thing for this very sweet and very stubborn breech baby. Two weeks after this turn of events, on the morning of October 18, 2001, a tornado swept through our county. As the winds howled and the rains poured down, our Perfect, healthy nine-pound baby boy, Thomas, was born safely in our home. He was fully alert (Apgar 10), born into the loving presence of his parents, his brothers, and his grandparents. Today, March 2003, Thomas is a robust toddler who walks, is just starting to talk,and whose stubbornness and will, manifested while still in the womb, still shows itself daily. To this day, more than a year later, the scent of Myrrh always brings up the memory in my mind of Sarah¹s pregnancy and birth of our son, Thomas. It probably will for as long as I live. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Anthony Stewart is son of David and Lee Stewart. Anthony and Sarah are Childbirth Educators in the Bradley Method of Natural Childbirth. They live on the same farm as David and Lee in a 100-year-old farm house where Lee was born. All three of Anthony and Sarah¹s sons, Caleb, Joseph, and Thomas, were born there too. Anthony is also a part-time United Methodist Pastor for two country churches in Southeast Missouri. LEt us know what works Vibs? ARe you in India? Welcome and warm regards. Ysha Group Hostess/Postpartum AyurDoula > > Hi does anyone have any tips/advice for turning breech babies at 38 weeks ...a mother desparetly trying to deliver without having an operation > many thanks > vibs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yes, There is very little info available on -how to turn a breech baby -how to avoid episiotomy -how to avoid C-section - how to avoid hysterectomy, cholecystectomy, appendectomy etc The reasons for this are obvious. These skills are developed by traditional vaidyas who neither publish research or attend conferences; and experts who know the techniques may not like to share. Also techniques are quite involved to discuss, but can be learnt only by practice under guidance. For breech baby, author would suggest you to learn the technique from a practitioner in Mysore district. Details at post: 14533, by clicking on ayurveda/message/14533 ____ does anyone have any information or tips on how to turn a breech baby as it seems that there is very little available on this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Thank you so much for those helful hints and stories. I amin the UK and came to Kerela last year for training. I am a teacher of holistic therapies here but pregnancy care is not the same here as it India where there is a lot of support and suggestions. I will try these things and let you know as I have been using reflexology on my friend as you mentioned on the UB point she is very heavily pregnant and as the baby is small they are concerned and have been pressuring her to have a C SECTION. all being well the baby WILL turn naturally thanks again vibhooti --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: breech baby ayurveda Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 7:45 PM There is lots of successful stories. Several more in the Perinatal Uses of Essential OIls unit (http://tinyurl. com/nlv4b2 ) since the other training materials really don't address pregnancy and birth much. One doula/mother is sure it indicates some unresolved obstruction that's up in the relationship between parents. Both peppermint and myrrh essential oil seem to be especially good, peppermint put where Baby's head IS, he/she tends to move away. the Myrrh story below. Twice a day 10 minutes lying on the slant board (just get a 1X12 board or some such and prop on chair or ottoman), feet up worked for me, though not in the story below. Good results are also reported using the moxa practice. There is a womb point seems to be right over the bladder where a moxibustion stick is burned close to the point warming the energetics there into more balanced healthy functioning (also used postpartum as we in Ayurveda use heat and warm massage to help the uterus to come back to size etc.) I'd like to share one of the stories. Long but worth the read: Breech babies and sweet myrrh - Anthony Stewart, Pastor and YL Eoil Distributor, 2003 Did you happen to bring the myrrh?² I asked Sarah as we headed to Tennessee with our two children, Caleb and Joseph. ³Got it right here!² answered Sarah. We also had with us our unborn baby who was about 36 weeks along,and who happened to be turned breech. (This means that the buttocks or a foot would be born first rather than the head.) We had been planning all along to have the baby at home, as we had with our two previous children. However, the baby being breech gave us some concern, since certain complications can arise during childbirth with a breech that probably would not happen with a vertex baby. We had been trying for about a week to turn the baby by using the slant board technique. This is where the mother tilts an ironing board at about a 45s angle and lies down with her head toward the floor. Often times the baby will automatically flip around after the mother has lain like this for ten or fifteen minutes. We did this three times a day and also tried playing baroque music with headphones at the area of the abdomen where we wanted the baby¹s head to be. We prayed. We even talked to the baby trying to convince it to turn on its own. All the while we were applying myrrh to Sarah¹s abdomen<two or three drops at a time. After about a week the baby still had not turned. We had been in contact with Ina May Gaskin, a midwife who lives on The Farm, a community near Summertown, Tennessee. Ina May is author of the classic book entitled Spiritual Midwifery. She is, perhaps, the most experienced person in the country in successfully dealing with breech babies. Thus, on an early Monday morning, September 17, 2001, we were headed to The Farm, about six and a half hours from where we live, to have Ina May do an external version<which is manually turning the baby head down. When we arrived, Ina May felt around on Sarah¹s tummy and confirmed that the baby was definitely still breech. Ina May wanted Sarah to be able to relax completely while she was doing the version and not be worried about kids running around. So we brought Caleb and Joseph to one of the guesthouses where they laid down for a nap. Sarah then went to Ina May¹s house. Before doing the version, Ina May wanted to do an internal exam just to be 100% sure and to assess exactly how the baby was lying in the breech position. ³I¹ll be back in a little while,² she told Sarah. ³I need to leave for a few minutes to get a sterile glove from the clinic.² Meanwhile, Sarah made herself comfortable at Ina May¹s home. She took the myrrh she had brought and proceeded to douse herself with the oil. She used much more than usual, and rubbed it all over her tummy. She then lay down and went to sleep - a very deep sleep. When Ina May returned, she decided not to disturb Sarah and let her sleep until she woke up on her own about an hour to an hour-and-a-half later. When Sarah awoke Ina May proceeded with the internal exam. Feeling slowly and carefully, she looked up suddenly and said, ³I think this feels like a head down here!² The baby had apparently turned on its own sometime during Sarah¹s deep sleep only moments before Ina May would have done the external version! Ina May then felt around on Sarah¹s abdomen and could easily identify the baby¹s little butt near Sarah¹s ribs and the head down low, just like it was supposed to be. It was both a miracle and a relief that the baby turned on its own. We had been trying for some time to get the baby to do this, but without success. Then, only moments before the midwife was going to step in, and shortly after Sarah had applied a generous amount of myrrh, the baby decided to turn. Did the myrrh assist in the baby¹s turning? We do know that myrrh was a popular oil used by pregnant and laboring women for many centuries during Biblical times. It was even one of the two oils brought to Mary and the Christ Child by the wise men. For this reason alone, I believe it to be a very important oil for women to have during pregnancy and birth. The key is that we prayed and followed what we were led to do, and we felt guided to apply myrrh which seemed to be just the thing for this very sweet and very stubborn breech baby. Two weeks after this turn of events, on the morning of October 18, 2001, a tornado swept through our county. As the winds howled and the rains poured down, our Perfect, healthy nine-pound baby boy, Thomas, was born safely in our home. He was fully alert (Apgar 10), born into the loving presence of his parents, his brothers, and his grandparents. Today, March 2003, Thomas is a robust toddler who walks, is just starting to talk,and whose stubbornness and will, manifested while still in the womb, still shows itself daily. To this day, more than a year later, the scent of Myrrh always brings up the memory in my mind of Sarah¹s pregnancy and birth of our son, Thomas. It probably will for as long as I live. ~^~^~^~^~^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~^ ~^~ Anthony Stewart is son of David and Lee Stewart. Anthony and Sarah are Childbirth Educators in the Bradley Method of Natural Childbirth. They live on the same farm as David and Lee in a 100-year-old farm house where Lee was born. All three of Anthony and Sarah¹s sons, Caleb, Joseph, and Thomas, were born there too. Anthony is also a part-time United Methodist Pastor for two country churches in Southeast Missouri. LEt us know what works Vibs? ARe you in India? Welcome and warm regards. Ysha Group Hostess/Postpartum AyurDoula > > Hi does anyone have any tips/advice for turning breech babies at 38 weeks ...a mother desparetly trying to deliver without having an operation > many thanks > vibs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Thank you for that information, unfortunately I am in the UK and last year I came to Kerela to do the Diploma in Ayurveda. I will look at this site but in the meantime any more information would be welcome. Mnay thanks vibhooti __________ Details at post: 14533, by clicking on http://groups. / group/ayurvedaon line/message/ 14533 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 My midwife has had success with the mother on hands and knees, breathing, rocking and relaxing several times daily... gently tipping pelvis into the air. Perhaps the mental state is most crucial, releasing anxieties about the birth has been known to prepare both bodies for birth. If the mother has previously delivered a full term baby - the birth of a breech baby can be quite smooth. If a first time mother, one will not know yet if they are that rare case of the pelvis not allowing the shoulder width through the birth canal. Many blessing for a beautiful arrival! __________ does anyone have any information or tips on how to turn a breech baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Ayurvedic texts have extensively described ways and means to ensure a normal delivery. Sushruta Sharirsrthan and Vaghbhata Sharir stan have numerous quotes dedicated to this chapter. We at Ayushree Ayurvedic Hospital Run a programme on Garbha Sanskara which is developed for this specific purpose Dr. Abhay Kulkarni M.D(Ayurveda) Ph. D (Scholar) Ayushree Ayurvedic Hospital and Research centre www.ayushree.com ______________________________ does anyone have any information or tips on how to turn a breech baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 This must be done by professionals. It need not be done until the 37 week and often babies rectify themselves at this point. Setubhandasana is useful as is pulsatilla (homeopathic) It is also useful to talk to the baby - when relaxing tell the baby that it is ok that it will be easier to delvier if the head is down. In my situation with my daughter being breech I did just this. I told the baby, tomorrw, we are going to go to the doctor and he is going to try to push your head down. It will be better if you turn yourself. The next day when I went for the procedure the ultra sound revealed that my daughter had set herself right. Pulsatilla is used for helping to reduce attachment. __________ does anyone have any information or tips on how to turn a breech baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Thank you so much for this information and the blessings. feel more inspired. luv and light x __________ My midwife has had success with the mother on hands and knees, breathing, rocking and relaxing several times daily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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