Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 Lisa, so sorry to hear about your dad. Been through the same with 3 uncles. All my best. Janet - leesina33594 herbal remedies Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:07 AM [herbal remedies] SMOKING MY Father at this very minute is lying on his death bed. All because Of smoking. He thought he had the flu, went to a doctor. Lung cancer.....further checking? The cancer spread to his brain. He lays in a bed now and doesn't know me or other members of the family. I have never seen so much suffering in my entire life. THE Cancer now is in his bones and the pain is awful!The pain of watching him waste away....for a smoke!I wait for te phone to ring, telling me the awful news!He was a healthy ,man with NO warning! He is a young man....50's.Let this be your incentive! He never had a breathing problem or a cough in his life!LisaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Lisa I send you strength and courage at this very hard time in your life. Four years ago I lost my stepdad to smoking related cancer, he had smoked quite heavily for 55 years, gave it up at age 68 and two years later developed an irritating cough that wouldn't subside, first diagnosed as bronchitis, two weeks later diagnosed as lung cancer, for 6 months he deteriorated severly and the last month being on oxygen tanks and much pain. A year later I lost my mother at age 65 to a non-smoke related cancer (stomache) but it is still hard to watch. It is sad and painful to see loved ones dying from cancer of any kind, but in a way it is also a relief to see them pass-on, free from the suffering and the pain. And as you have stated, this should serve as a timely incentive to be rid of this nasty habit NOW. I smoked quite heavily for only 25 years, but quit cold turkey 11 years ago, never looked back, now I hate the smell of cigarettes and the people who smoke, yes they really do stink, and I find I hold my breath as I enter and leave shopping centres, as all smokers stand outside shopping centres to have their 'last fag' before going in, making the entrances putrid and the air heavy and hard to breath. Just had to have my lil whinge. Major congrats to all those who are quitting and sticking with it. It does take a long time for the 'urge' to light up to leave you but it DOES eventually go and you will be so much happier and healthier for the perserverence. Stick with it. Kristal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Just speculation, but. . . . Bei1/sadness or grief Èá is the emotion associated with the lungs. The Nei Jing says " when there is sadness, the qi is diminished. The lung dilates and its leaves rise up. " (Su Wen, ch. 39). It would seem that the damage to lung qi, causing dilation and dispersion, can be rectified by correcting breathing. Often people sigh when they grieve, dispersing the qi, and smoking may be one way that people try to gather their lung qi again. Think of how people breath fully as they fill their lungs with smoke. Also, the substances in tobacco such as nicotine tend to be stimulating to the yang qi, from observation, causing movement. One may be able to have the same effects as smoking through conscious breathing exercises, such as pranayama/yogic breathing without the damaging smoke. On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:41 AM, Pat Ethridge wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen several people who, having experienced the death of a > person > close to them, go back to smoking, sometimes after decades of not > smoking. > Most often, they smoke only one or two cigarettes and then are done. > Does > anyone have a CM theory to explain the dynamic behind this response? A > couple of people described a feeling of weighted grief like " sandbags " > on > their lungs, and said the smoking helped to disperse this a little. > Given > the chemical actions of nicotine, etc., and that tobacco is also an > herb, I > wonder if there is more going on here. > > Pat > > > > ======================================================================= > ======= > NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, > use or > disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments > are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility > of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility > is > accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage > arising > in any way from its use. > > ======================================================================= > ======= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 So, dispersal of LU Qi leads to a feeling of heaviness? Is the heaviness really a result of the stagnation of the normal movement? Has anyone read anything about tobacco which would suggest there are specifically LU-stimulating ingredients? Pat Just speculation, but. . . . Bei1/sadness or grief Èá is the emotion associated with the lungs. The Nei Jing says " when there is sadness, the qi is diminished. The lung dilates and its leaves rise up. " (Su Wen, ch. 39). It would seem that the damage to lung qi, causing dilation and dispersion, can be rectified by correcting breathing. Often people sigh when they grieve, dispersing the qi, and smoking may be one way that people try to gather their lung qi again. Think of how people breath fully as they fill their lungs with smoke. Also, the substances in tobacco such as nicotine tend to be stimulating to the yang qi, from observation, causing movement. One may be able to have the same effects as smoking through conscious breathing exercises, such as pranayama/yogic breathing without the damaging smoke. On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:41 AM, Pat Ethridge wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen several people who, having experienced the death of a > person > close to them, go back to smoking, sometimes after decades of not > smoking. > Most often, they smoke only one or two cigarettes and then are done. > Does > anyone have a CM theory to explain the dynamic behind this response? A > couple of people described a feeling of weighted grief like " sandbags " > on > their lungs, and said the smoking helped to disperse this a little. > Given > the chemical actions of nicotine, etc., and that tobacco is also an > herb, I > wonder if there is more going on here. > > Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Pat, I remember reading that one of the chemical constituents of tobacco is also lithium. Is not the severe grief that mourners feel a brief fling with depression, and is not lithium the major western drug used for manic depression? Just a thought... Yehuda On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:41:26 -0400 " Pat Ethridge " <pat.ethridge writes: > Hi, > > I have seen several people who, having experienced the death of a > person > close to them, go back to smoking, sometimes after decades of not > smoking. > Most often, they smoke only one or two cigarettes and then are done. > Does > anyone have a CM theory to explain the dynamic behind this response? > A > couple of people described a feeling of weighted grief like > " sandbags " on > their lungs, and said the smoking helped to disperse this a little. > Given > the chemical actions of nicotine, etc., and that tobacco is also an > herb, I > wonder if there is more going on here. > > Pat > > > > ========================================================================= ===== > NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be > legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not > read, use or > disseminate the information. Although this email and any > attachments are > believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect > any > computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the > responsibility > of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no > responsibility is > accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage > arising > in any way from its use. > > ========================================================================= ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Interesting... Pat Pat, I remember reading that one of the chemical constituents of tobacco is also lithium. Is not the severe grief that mourners feel a brief fling with depression, and is not lithium the major western drug used for manic depression? Just a thought... Yehuda ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 07:41 AM, Pat Ethridge wrote: > Hi, > > I have seen several people who, having experienced the death of a > person > close to them, go back to smoking, sometimes after decades of not > smoking. > Most often, they smoke only one or two cigarettes and then are done. > Does > anyone have a CM theory to explain the dynamic behind this response? A > couple of people described a feeling of weighted grief like " sandbags " > on > their lungs, and said the smoking helped to disperse this a little. > Given > the chemical actions of nicotine, etc., and that tobacco is also an > herb, I > wonder if there is more going on here. My experience with this is that it isn't the smoke that is functioning to their benefit, but the deep breathing. This is your basic frequent signing when the Qi stagnates in the chest. Smoking the cigarette begins to open that up for them in times of trouble, like a bridge of troubled water. -al. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Pat, Given that nicotine is a stimulant, and that strong grief has the power to directly impact and weaken the lungs, it is possible that these people are " self-medicating " in a way. We often talked in school that people with asthma or other chronic lung diseases who smoked were similarly stimulating lung function, albeit ulimately to their detriment. Pat Ethridge <pat.ethridge wrote: Hi, I have seen several people who, having experienced the death of a person close to them, go back to smoking, sometimes after decades of not smoking. Most often, they smoke only one or two cigarettes and then are done. Does anyone have a CM theory to explain the dynamic behind this response? A couple of people described a feeling of weighted grief like " sandbags " on their lungs, and said the smoking helped to disperse this a little. Given the chemical actions of nicotine, etc., and that tobacco is also an herb, I wonder if there is more going on here. Pat ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 I would suggest EFT. Go to www.emofree.com. You can download the basic instruction manual and search the site... there are many, many examples of people who have quit smoking in a matter of moments. Tint~ Courage does not always roar. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, " I will try again tomorrow " ---- clifford_carol 05/31/06 22:34:25 New and Intro Hi, I am new to list and joined to better my health. One of my main issues is smoking. I really need to quit as I have Cystic Fibrosis. I am one of the lucky ones as my disease is in the mild form. However, it does effect the lungs and that is one of my main reasons for quiting. So I guess my first question to the group would be if there are any remedies that will help lessen the physical and emotional symptoms of quitting and help with the detox. I am very interested in learning about alternatives to many aspects of my health as well as some family members. Thank you, Carol ********************************************* Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://health./subs_invite _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://health./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 Thanks, I'll check it out. Carol Life is an adventure, not a charted course... > " Tint " <tints_den > > >Re: Smoking >Wed, 31 May 2006 23:14:39 -0300 (E. South America Standard Time) > > > > >I would suggest EFT. Go to www.emofree.com. You can download the basic > >instruction manual and search the site... there are many, many examples of > >people who have quit smoking in a matter of moments. > > > >Tint~ > > > >Courage does not always roar. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end >of > > the day saying, " I will try again tomorrow " > > > >---- > > > >clifford_carol > >05/31/06 22:34:25 > > > > New and Intro > > > >Hi, > > > >I am new to list and joined to better my health. One of my main issues > >is smoking. I really need to quit as I have Cystic Fibrosis. I am one > >of the lucky ones as my disease is in the mild form. However, it does > >effect the lungs and that is one of my main reasons for quiting. So I > >guess my first question to the group would be if there are any remedies > >that will help lessen the physical and emotional symptoms of quitting > >and help with the detox. > > > >I am very interested in learning about alternatives to many aspects of > >my health as well as some family members. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >********************************************* > >Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > > >HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for many > >ailments at: > > > >http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm > >__________ > > > >-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address >in > >an email to them: > > > >http://health./subs_invite > > > >_________ > >To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: > > > >http://health./links > > > >___________ > > > > Post message: > > Subscribe: - > > Un: - > > List owner: -owner > >_______ > >Shortcut URL to this page: > > http://health. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I've read about Cig-No it is an herbal product that is suppose to help you stop smoking. I wanted to try it myself but have not been able to find it. I'm sure it is worth a try. Linda ladytory2000 <ladytory2000 Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:34:11 AM smoking looking for something all natural to help stop smoking. thank you ______________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 The people I know who quit smoking successfully did so by going cold turkey and just stopped. One gal I know had been a heavy smoker for more than 25 years. Another woman I know tried to slowly wean herself of tobacco. That did not work because every time she had a smoke, she just re-started the cravings for the addiction. She also tried herbal cigs, but the act of smoking anything made her crave tobacco. I never smoked, so I have no personal experience to relate. One thing I would strongly suggest is that you not allow others to smoke in your home, not travel by car with smokers, or spend time in places where others smoke. Smelling the second-hand smoke can trigger cravings. Based upon stories from ex-smokers, after a month or so, the smell of second-hand smoke becomes quite revolting Alobar On 11/16/07, ladytory2000 <ladytory2000 wrote: > looking for something all natural to help stop smoking. thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I would also be interested in anything natural that could be used.... one doctor perscribed Chantix for my husband - but before I went and filled the script - i did some research on the side affects of this new drug - WOW.... I was not happy with some of the reports - and in some ways the doctor that prescribed it.... he knows that my husband is an ex-Army Ranger - spent 2.5 years in Viet Nam - still has vivid nightmares from time to time.... needless to say - we decided to leave that script unfilled.! any suggestions will be taken under advisement and considered carefully! thank you bj ladytory2000 <ladytory2000 wrote: looking for something all natural to help stop smoking. thank you Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi, My name is Juliana, I live in Brazil. My fiance smokes for over 30 years and it´s about 2 packs a day! He really wants to stop smoking. I would like to know if there is any kind of ayurveda treatment he may go through to get rid of this addiction. Thank-you so much. Juliana Shereider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Please visit: ayurveda/message/2118 ______ My fiance smokes for over 30 years and it´s about 2 packs a day! He really wants to stop smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I heard SUNFLOWERS SEEDS (raw). They are to release the same sugar from the liver as cigerettes. Jane Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:07 am Digest Number 4741 This list covers a wealth of alternative answers in healing. Discuss health, spiritual, and healing issues... Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1a. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Elizabeth Brandegee 1b. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids JuiceyJuice954 2a. Re: Military to Deploy on U.S. Soil to " Assist " with Pandemic Outbre marilyn brent 2b. Re: Military to Deploy on U.S. Soil to " Assist " with Pandemic Outbre Muhammad Masry 3a. Re: Grade A Raw for Retail yogiguruji 4. question JuiceyJuice954 View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Posted by: " Elizabeth Brandegee " lightspirals ? lightspirals Mon Aug?3,?2009 11:25?am (PDT) Best to go the route of handling the emotional addiction, possibly not feeling in the body, etc. as well as the physical addiction. Using products to only force one aspect out of the way are never the answer, and she is a good example. Classical homeopathy works on all causes of it at once, it worked for me within a few months and haven't touched one since. Sometimes Plantain tincture is used to help physical withdrawal/cravings but I didn't need it and don't always see it necessary. Liz , " Missy E " <mmee1606 wrote: > > Does anyone know of any natural smoking cessession aids to help reduce/stop cravings for tobacco/nicotine? I am asking for a relative. She has stopped smoking, but now she is hooked on nicotine gum. > Thanks for any help. > Missy > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 1b. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Posted by: " JuiceyJuice954 " JuiceyJuice954 ? juiceyjuice307 Tue Aug?4,?2009 4:12?am (PDT) chew on cinnamon sticks In a message dated 8/2/2009 6:26:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mmee1606 writes: Does anyone know of any natural smoking cessession aids to help reduce/stop cravings for tobacco/nicotine? I am asking for a relative. She has stopped smoking, but now she is hooked on nicotine gum. Thanks for any help. Missy **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072 & hmpgID=115 & bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Jane, Thank you. I will pass that along to her. Thanks for your help. Missy --- On Tue, 8/4/09, darocksmom <darocksmom wrote: darocksmom <darocksmom Re: smoking Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:25 PM I heard SUNFLOWERS SEEDS (raw). They are to release the same sugar from the liver as cigerettes. Jane Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:07 am Digest Number 4741 This list covers a wealth of alternative answers in healing. Discuss health, spiritual, and healing issues... Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1a. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Elizabeth Brandegee 1b. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids JuiceyJuice954@ aol.com 2a. Re: Military to Deploy on U.S. Soil to " Assist " with Pandemic Outbre marilyn brent 2b. Re: Military to Deploy on U.S. Soil to " Assist " with Pandemic Outbre Muhammad Masry 3a. Re: Grade A Raw for Retail yogiguruji (AT) aol (DOT) com 4. question JuiceyJuice954@ aol.com View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Posted by: " Elizabeth Brandegee " lightspirals@ ? lightspirals Mon Aug?3,?2009 11:25?am (PDT) Best to go the route of handling the emotional addiction, possibly not feeling in the body, etc. as well as the physical addiction. Using products to only force one aspect out of the way are never the answer, and she is a good example. Classical homeopathy works on all causes of it at once, it worked for me within a few months and haven't touched one since. Sometimes Plantain tincture is used to help physical withdrawal/cravings but I didn't need it and don't always see it necessary. Liz , " Missy E " <mmee1606@.. .> wrote: > > Does anyone know of any natural smoking cessession aids to help reduce/stop cravings for tobacco/nicotine? I am asking for a relative. She has stopped smoking, but now she is hooked on nicotine gum. > Thanks for any help. > Missy > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (5) 1b. Re: natural smoking cessessation aids Posted by: " JuiceyJuice954@ aol.com " JuiceyJuice954@ aol.com ? juiceyjuice307 Tue Aug?4,?2009 4:12?am (PDT) chew on cinnamon sticks In a message dated 8/2/2009 6:26:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mmee1606 writes: Does anyone know of any natural smoking cessession aids to help reduce/stop cravings for tobacco/nicotine? I am asking for a relative. She has stopped smoking, but now she is hooked on nicotine gum. Thanks for any help. Missy ************ **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122284 6709x1201493018/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=668072 & hmpgID=115 & bcd =JulystepsfooterNO1 15) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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