Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 > Got a question for all of you. My daughter has Rett Syndrome. She > suffers from reflux disorder, along with all the other usual problems of > Rett Syndrome. She is tube fed and can not take the usual meds for it. The > pharmacy will not even mix it. > Any suggestions? It has to be liquid and able to go down a gtube. Linda, could you post some about what Rett Syndrome is and its symptoms? Thanks, Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2003 Report Share Posted March 16, 2003 Rett Syndrome is a progressive neurological disorder effecting mostly girls. Linked to a genetic defect in the X chromesome. Girls with Rett Syndrome start out normal developing which is stage 1 Stage 2 is a rapid regression, which appear between 8 months and 16 months of age. Girls lose hand movement some walk, some never do. Most lose all functional use of their hands. Many other things such as seisures, constipation appear during this time Stage 3 is after the rapid regression usually last till teen years. It kind of just leaves them where they are not much change Stage 4 is muscle wasting and sometime certain functions shut down. Can start as early as 10. GIrls with Rett syndrome can live a long life, although they tend to suffer from chronic breathing problems and other difficulties that take them from us. They also tend to have reflux. I have worked with traditional medicines for 16 years now with Sarah and need to figure out some other means of treatment. I get tired of the negative doctors and their gloom and doom. Societies will be judged someday, on how well they treated the least of their people. Linda Bell Ohio mother of Jennifer 20 ADHD Sarah 16 Rett Syndrome R306C Lisa 14 Autistic on 3/16/03 12:05 AM, victoria_dragon at victoria_dragon wrote: >> Got a question for all of you. My daughter has Rett Syndrome. > She >> suffers from reflux disorder, along with all the other usual > problems of >> Rett Syndrome. She is tube fed and can not take the usual meds for > it. The >> pharmacy will not even mix it. >> Any suggestions? It has to be liquid and able to go down a gtube. > > Linda, could you post some about what Rett Syndrome is and its > symptoms? > > Thanks, > Victoria > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Linda <mabelltoo@a...> wrote: > Rett Syndrome is a progressive neurological disorder effecting mostly > girls. > Linked to a genetic defect in the X chromesome. > Girls with Rett Syndrome start out normal developing which is stage 1 > Stage 2 is a rapid regression, which appear between 8 months and 16 > months > of age. Girls lose hand movement some walk, some never do. Most > lose all > functional use of their hands. Many other things such as seisures, > constipation appear during this time Based on symptoms, this is looking like a Blood deficiency which is leading to the movement disorders and constipation. The Blood is used by the Liver to nourish tendons and can be implicated in dry stools as well. I would expect to see a pale complexion or tongue at play here. If there is none, we may be calling this a Yin deficiency in which case you'll see redness in the face and tongue instead of a pale color. Yin too nourishes tendons and poop, so either of these fluids being deficient could give rise to the symptoms thus far described. > Stage 3 is after the rapid regression usually last till teen years. > It kind > of just leaves them where they are not much change > Stage 4 is muscle wasting and sometime certain functions shut down. > Can > start as early as 10. GIrls with Rett syndrome can live a long life, > although they tend to suffer from chronic breathing problems and other > difficulties that take them from us. They also tend to have reflux. > I have worked with traditional medicines for 16 years now with Sarah > and > need to figure out some other means of treatment. I get tired of the > negative doctors and their gloom and doom. Here's more: http://www.rettsyndrome.org/main/general.htm These symptoms are all over the place, but many of them look to have some relationship with neurology. There are a few that don't too, such as lowered bone density and drooling. If we're going to look at any one organ to describe nerve issues, its going to be the Liver. Especially any nerve problems that are outside of brain or spine. If the problems are really more " central nervous system " meaning the brain and spine, that's more of a " sea of marrow " issue which is under the functions of the Kidneys. That bone density issue too points to the Kidneys. > Societies will be judged someday, on how well they > treated the least of their people. > Linda Bell Ohio > mother of > Jennifer 20 ADHD > Sarah 16 Rett Syndrome R306C > Lisa 14 Autistic One more thing. It looks like you've got three kids with potential nerve issues. The Kidneys are often the organ system where you'll find genetic issues. But the Kidneys and the Liver both derive from the same embroyolgical material (western medicine) or as we say in TCM " Kidney, Liver, Same Mother " . So, a Kidney issue can often become a Liver issue, and vica versa. Why don't you present to the list the specific symptoms that your daughter is currently experiencing, followed by the symptoms that she used to have, but no longer has (if there are any). Perhaps we'll be able to see a pattern then... -al. -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Sarah is suffering now from the cronic constipation. She seems pale. Has trouble with acne. Hiccups everytime I take her out of her bed. Tosses and turns alot, face winces, legs kicking. Hard to tell because she is non verbal, what hurts. I don't know if I told you she has had spinal fusion. Rods placed due to scoliosis. Sometimes she burbs up insure. She has her levels checked all the time, because she is on 800mgs of tegretol a day for seisures. on 3/17/03 8:58 PM, Al Stone at alstone wrote: > > > > Based on symptoms, this is looking like a Blood deficiency which is > leading to the movement disorders and constipation. The Blood is used by > the Liver to nourish tendons and can be implicated in dry stools as well. > > I would expect to see a pale complexion or tongue at play here. If there > is none, we may be calling this a Yin deficiency in which case you'll > see redness in the face and tongue instead of a pale color. Yin too > nourishes tendons and poop, so either of these fluids being deficient > could give rise to the symptoms thus far described. > >> > > Here's more: > http://www.rettsyndrome.org/main/general.htm > > These symptoms are all over the place, but many of them look to have > some relationship with neurology. There are a few that don't too, such > as lowered bone density and drooling. > > If we're going to look at any one organ to describe nerve issues, its > going to be the Liver. Especially any nerve problems that are outside > of brain or spine. If the problems are really more " central nervous > system " meaning the brain and spine, that's more of a " sea of marrow " > issue which is under the functions of the Kidneys. That bone density > issue too points to the Kidneys. > >> > > One more thing. It looks like you've got three kids with potential nerve > issues. The Kidneys are often the organ system where you'll find > genetic issues. But the Kidneys and the Liver both derive from the same > embroyolgical material (western medicine) or as we say in TCM " Kidney, > Liver, Same Mother " . So, a Kidney issue can often become a Liver issue, > and vica versa. > > Why don't you present to the list the specific symptoms that your > daughter is currently experiencing, followed by the symptoms that she > used to have, but no longer has (if there are any). Perhaps we'll be > able to see a pattern then... > > -al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2003 Report Share Posted March 18, 2003 Linda wrote: > > Sarah is suffering now from the cronic constipation. She seems pale. Okay, likely Blood deficiency here. > Has > trouble with acne. There are a few causes for acne. Blood deficiency isn't one of them, to my knowledge. Blood deficiency can cause hardened, darkened, dried skin, but I can't recall seeing acne showing up as a Blood deficiency symptom. > Hiccups everytime I take her out of her bed. So, there is some rebellious stomach Qi happening here. Though I'd rather hang out with this as a form of wind aggravated by moving her. Blood deficiency can cause wind. (Internal) wind is any tic, tremor, or seizure. > Tosses and > turns alot, face winces, legs kicking. Hard to tell because she is non > verbal, what hurts. Yeah, may be wind here too. I can't think of Blood deficiency as being especially painful, but perhaps she's uncomfortable with having to sit still all the time for fear of aggravating the seizures. > I don't know if I told you she has had spinal fusion. Rods placed due to > scoliosis. That's probably the Kidney/Liver same mother thing happening. There's a real relationship between the " Kidney Jing " and the " Liver Blood " . Jing is the material basis for a few different items in the body including bone mass. Blood is what is seeming to be deficient otherwise here. Jing can transform into Blood and vica versa. > Sometimes she burbs up insure. More rebellious Stomach Qi. > She has her levels checked all the time, because she is on 800mgs of > tegretol a day for seisures. If she were not on this medication would anything life-threatening happen? If so, I'd be slow to address this herbally without someone very local who can monitor your daughter very carefully every step of the way. I'm not suggesting you dump the medication, wind calming herbs will help with the seizures, but if they're life threatening, I'd want to go slowly with all of this. I'm leaning toward herbal medicines more than acupuncture, because muscle spasms can be really painful with needles in you, but this may ultimately be better than herbs since there isn't much interaction concern with the acupuncture. Worse case sceanario of her moving with needles in her is some local bruising, provided the needles aren't near the lungs or any internal organ. You know, looking at the big picture here, I'd just try and calm her down with a Blood nourishing/Wind calming/Poop lubricating formula perhaps with a few herbs added to direct the stomach Qi downward for the heartburn/burping issues. Try that, see how she responds. On one of the lists that I to, someone was talking about the need for a formula that can be taken through a feeding tube. I can't remember if that was your daughter or not. But needless to say, herb formulas can be given as a tea/liquid or powdered water-soluable extracts or a few other options. -al. > > on 3/17/03 8:58 PM, Al Stone at alstone wrote: > > > > > > > > > Based on symptoms, this is looking like a Blood deficiency which is > > leading to the movement disorders and constipation. The Blood is used by > > the Liver to nourish tendons and can be implicated in dry stools as well. > > > > I would expect to see a pale complexion or tongue at play here. If there > > is none, we may be calling this a Yin deficiency in which case you'll > > see redness in the face and tongue instead of a pale color. Yin too > > nourishes tendons and poop, so either of these fluids being deficient > > could give rise to the symptoms thus far described. > > > >> > > > > Here's more: > > http://www.rettsyndrome.org/main/general.htm > > > > These symptoms are all over the place, but many of them look to have > > some relationship with neurology. There are a few that don't too, such > > as lowered bone density and drooling. > > > > If we're going to look at any one organ to describe nerve issues, its > > going to be the Liver. Especially any nerve problems that are outside > > of brain or spine. If the problems are really more " central nervous > > system " meaning the brain and spine, that's more of a " sea of marrow " > > issue which is under the functions of the Kidneys. That bone density > > issue too points to the Kidneys. > > > >> > > > > One more thing. It looks like you've got three kids with potential nerve > > issues. The Kidneys are often the organ system where you'll find > > genetic issues. But the Kidneys and the Liver both derive from the same > > embroyolgical material (western medicine) or as we say in TCM " Kidney, > > Liver, Same Mother " . So, a Kidney issue can often become a Liver issue, > > and vica versa. > > > > Why don't you present to the list the specific symptoms that your > > daughter is currently experiencing, followed by the symptoms that she > > used to have, but no longer has (if there are any). Perhaps we'll be > > able to see a pattern then... > > > > -al. > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 I would be interested in observing you and your charges. Are you a registered nurse?It would seem like you would have to be to handle the medical aspects of your life together. I am not sure which daughter had the acne, but I think it may be Puberty, A newness to menstruation may be affecting her. I suggest some head rubbing like you would a shampoo. That will deal with some flows in the bladder meridian. If you can please tell me a bit more about each patient. What is ADHD? Autism? I had it breifly as a child. Have you tried a puppy or kitten? Chinese Traditional Medicine , Linda <mabelltoo@a...> wrote: > Got a question for all of you. My daughter has Rett Syndrome. She > suffers from reflux disorder, along with all the other usual problems of > Rett Syndrome. She is tube fed and can not take the usual meds for it. The > pharmacy will not even mix it. > Any suggestions? It has to be liquid and able to go down a gtube. > > > Societies will be judged someday, on how well they > treated the least of their people. > Linda Bell Ohio > mother of > Jennifer 20 ADHD > Sarah 16 Rett Syndrome R306C > Lisa 14 Autistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2003 Report Share Posted March 23, 2003 on 3/22/03 8:06 PM, twomtns2002 at twomtns2002 wrote: > > I would be interested in observing you and your charges. Email me privatly for that. We can talk. Are you a > registered nurse? No I am just a mom that had to learn how to change a gtube, and read alot of medical junk. It would seem like you would have to be to handle > the medical aspects of your life together. I am not sure which > daughter had the acne, but I think it may be Puberty, A newness to > menstruation may be affecting her. I suggest some head rubbing like > you would a shampoo. That will deal with some flows in the bladder > meridian. I will try this. Have been using some things that are doing good, but still a problem. Sarah is the one that has the acne. She is pretty much bed ridden now. If you can please tell me a bit more about each patient. > What is ADHD? Actually what my oldest has is Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. I drank before I knew I was pregnant with her. Attention Defecit Hyperactive Disorder is a symtom. Along with several other disorders including bi/polar mental problems, difficulty with reality. Never a dull moment with that one Autism? I had it breifly as a child. Have you tried a > puppy or kitten? We have a dog, cat and a couple of rats. She loves the rats the most. It makes her day to let one sit on her shoulder. Strange isn't it. > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2003 Report Share Posted March 25, 2003 How often do they get to see others? Even if it was just sitting in the park, I think that some interaction with others would help to define the psychosematic symptoms and help to define a treatment area. I believe that the problems you describe are treatable. Have you tried a faith healer or exorcist(Catholic)? Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Cat: I just read a treatment last night, will look it up for you. You need to be careful to see that medication doesn't make the problem worse. Jack --- Cat <iceisit wrote: > I am wondering what does TCM have to say about > reflux? > > What is the typical treatment? > > I ask because my internist is convinced that that is > what I have because she cannot find anything else. > I don't *really* know whether I have reflux or not. > I just know I don't plan on taking any medication > if I can help it. > > Cat > ^. .^ ~ > > " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no > match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 > I am wondering what does TCM have to say about reflux? > > What is the typical treatment? > > I ask because my internist is convinced that that is what I have because she cannot find anything else. What symptoms are you having? TCM healers don't go by Western diagnoses but by symptoms. This was underscored to me when I first saw a TCM herbalist. I said, " I am hypoglycemic. " He asked, " What does that mean? " I misunderstood and thought he didn't know what low blood sugar was called. He explained that TCM healers don't go by Western diagnoses. They do consider Western diagnoses, but it's critical that the client tell the healer in his or her own words what the symptoms are instead of just giving a Western diagnosis. Especially since symptoms can vary so much among patients with the same diagnosis. So I detailed the symptoms to him - the feeling " out of it " , the cold sweats, the trembling, the nausea, the dry heaves and passing out if I don't get something to eat, etc. In your case this description of symptoms is even more critical since your internist is convinced you have this because she can't find anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Jack Sweeney wrote: >Cat: > >I just read a treatment last night, will look it up >for you. > >You need to be careful to see that medication doesn't >make the problem worse. > >Jack Unless I have a severe case of bronchitis which might turn into pneumonia, I don't plan to take any medications unless I can help it. I have gone almost a year without absolutely anything except a few herbs. Eliminating the coffee made a huge difference in my health. :-) thanks - Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 victoria_dragon wrote: > > I am wondering what does TCM have to say about reflux? > > > > What is the typical treatment? > > > > I ask because my internist is convinced that that is what I have >because she cannot find anything else. > >What symptoms are you having? What is left of the symptoms I have before I started acupuncture many months ago is just plain pain in my stomach. And it doesn't seem to change. Sitting up, lying down, eating or not. It goes all across under my ribs and upper abdomen (above the waist). Both sides seems relatively equal and it seems to be the stomach. I have had X-rays, CT scan of all organs, ultra sound on the right only (weird techinician probably misread the order). But the doc did CT scan of all organs and found nothing. >In your case this description of symptoms is even more critical since >your internist is convinced you have this because she can't find >anything else. I am going have to have to get a second opinion in TCM. Everything else has responded to treatement except this. The pain sometimes wakes me up at night. And what is weird is that is just stays the same or so it seems. The acupuncturist has done a lot of needle work in my upper abdominal area and when she started the deep probbing it seemed to get worse. I told her to give that a rest for a while, but even when she did acupuncture points on my back it seemed to irritate my stomach (yes I know they are connected) so what I am saying is that it does seem to be connected to stomach meridians. I looked up reflux and it said that means stuff going uphill. I have no idea what that means or what would cause it. If anyone knows what reflux is, if there is such a thing, in , please help me clarify. My acupuncturist said " Oh that must be 'heartburn' " -- I said that I thought heartburn (which I have never had) would be higher up. But it now seems that what was helping me before is now aggravating the situation. OR, there is a new situation which is not being detected. I didn't think it was something like reflux because until last year when I was skating I could lie on my back and drink water or eat and I never had a problem with anything coming up. I am now starting to have concern about the extreme and deep massage to my internal organs and am going to get another opinion. Trying to find another TCM practitioner in this little town for another opinion is going to be something else again. Thanks all for your feedback. Cheers, Fay ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 I have been having similar pain that I haven't found much help for. I do have some suggestions based on my search. I Had an ultra sound and acupuncture that didn't work. I first put a search on the net " symptoms-rib cage pain " and got interesting information. Seems I found people who suffered from IBS also suffers from this pain. Also seemed that their doctors can't do anything for it. I haven't had a diagnosis but I am guessing that is my problem too since I have IBS issues. I am thinking on getting an upper GI done to rule out any thing wrong inside my stomach, but my irritation is outside my stomach. I also suffer from some facial neuralgia and I thought this pain could be connected. My facial neuralgia responded to the acupuncture but the ribcage pain didn't. I went to get acupuncture for constipation and it worked. It was then I noticed a more frequent episode of this pain. Each bowel movement caused this pain. Not during a bowel movement but well before. Also sometimes after eating. I thought that maybe eating triggered bowel function. I had needles placed on my back as well and it didn't heal the problem. What I did notice is that if I keep my bowel soft like a normal movement should be I can be without the pain. Funny place for bowel pain to show up. Also I noticed an improvment by taking calcium/magnesium vitamin A & D together at one time. This past two weeks I have been waiting for my period to come on and I usually have greater symptoms so I take this dose in the morning and evening. My acupuncturist said that the area that I am complaining about is connected to the stomach. But the stomach treatment didn't work. I am wondering if it could be connected to the small intesting? Any comment? Do you have IBS too? Also she mentioned that this could be indigestion. I know what indigestion is and nothing I take makes it go away, it doesn't feel it is within my stomach. If you have acid reflux, have you tried taking digestive enzymes? I take them and they help relive a bloated feeling I get after eating some foods. It is an entirely different feeling from the rib cage pain. I don't know if acupuncture can treat you for low enzyme production. Drinking green tea, chamomile and ginger tea aids with digestion. And pepperment. I like these. I am going to try to find if there are any foods that help trigger this problem. Don't know where to start myself. And I am interested if anyone on this board finds some kind of suggestion to this symptom. I will look into it further myself. My acupuncturist didn't suggest taking any herbs for this either, I would be interested. Liz D. - Cat Chinese Traditional Medicine 1/25/2004 9:10:28 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Reflux victoria_dragon wrote: > > I am wondering what does TCM have to say about reflux? > > > > What is the typical treatment? > > > > I ask because my internist is convinced that that is what I have >because she cannot find anything else. > >What symptoms are you having? What is left of the symptoms I have before I started acupuncture many months ago is just plain pain in my stomach. And it doesn't seem to change. Sitting up, lying down, eating or not. It goes all across under my ribs and upper abdomen (above the waist). Both sides seems relatively equal and it seems to be the stomach. I have had X-rays, CT scan of all organs, ultra sound on the right only (weird techinician probably misread the order). But the doc did CT scan of all organs and found nothing. >In your case this description of symptoms is even more critical since >your internist is convinced you have this because she can't find >anything else. I am going have to have to get a second opinion in TCM. Everything else has responded to treatement except this. The pain sometimes wakes me up at night. And what is weird is that is just stays the same or so it seems. The acupuncturist has done a lot of needle work in my upper abdominal area and when she started the deep probbing it seemed to get worse. I told her to give that a rest for a while, but even when she did acupuncture points on my back it seemed to irritate my stomach (yes I know they are connected) so what I am saying is that it does seem to be connected to stomach meridians. I looked up reflux and it said that means stuff going uphill. I have no idea what that means or what would cause it. If anyone knows what reflux is, if there is such a thing, in , please help me clarify. My acupuncturist said " Oh that must be 'heartburn' " -- I said that I thought heartburn (which I have never had) would be higher up. But it now seems that what was helping me before is now aggravating the situation. OR, there is a new situation which is not being detected. I didn't think it was something like reflux because until last year when I was skating I could lie on my back and drink water or eat and I never had a problem with anything coming up. I am now starting to have concern about the extreme and deep massage to my internal organs and am going to get another opinion. Trying to find another TCM practitioner in this little town for another opinion is going to be something else again. Thanks all for your feedback. Cheers, Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 For IBS, I have found that bentonite clay and psyllium seed help. My mom had IBS for years, like 40 years, and it is the only thing that works for her. I had an infection in my lower bowel after surgery and the only thing that helped the pain was coptis and bentonite clay/psyllium seed. I put a T of clay in a baby food jar and 1/2 t of psyllium seed. I still use this periodically if I feel the tenderness coming on in my lower abdomen. It works every time. Mom says that the IBS comes back every time she stops taking the clay/seed. Michelle - Rabbitbrain Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, January 26, 2004 6:50 PM RE: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Reflux I have been having similar pain that I haven't found much help for. I do have some suggestions based on my search. I Had an ultra sound and acupuncture that didn't work. I first put a search on the net " symptoms-rib cage pain " and got interesting information. Seems I found people who suffered from IBS also suffers from this pain. Also seemed that their doctors can't do anything for it. I haven't had a diagnosis but I am guessing that is my problem too since I have IBS issues. I am thinking on getting an upper GI done to rule out any thing wrong inside my stomach, but my irritation is outside my stomach. I also suffer from some facial neuralgia and I thought this pain could be connected. My facial neuralgia responded to the acupuncture but the ribcage pain didn't. I went to get acupuncture for constipation and it worked. It was then I noticed a more frequent episode of this pain. Each bowel movement caused this pain. Not during a bowel movement but well before. Also sometimes after eating. I thought that maybe eating triggered bowel function. I had needles placed on my back as well and it didn't heal the problem. What I did notice is that if I keep my bowel soft like a normal movement should be I can be without the pain. Funny place for bowel pain to show up. Also I noticed an improvment by taking calcium/magnesium vitamin A & D together at one time. This past two weeks I have been waiting for my period to come on and I usually have greater symptoms so I take this dose in the morning and evening. My acupuncturist said that the area that I am complaining about is connected to the stomach. But the stomach treatment didn't work. I am wondering if it could be connected to the small intesting? Any comment? Do you have IBS too? Also she mentioned that this could be indigestion. I know what indigestion is and nothing I take makes it go away, it doesn't feel it is within my stomach. If you have acid reflux, have you tried taking digestive enzymes? I take them and they help relive a bloated feeling I get after eating some foods. It is an entirely different feeling from the rib cage pain. I don't know if acupuncture can treat you for low enzyme production. Drinking green tea, chamomile and ginger tea aids with digestion. And pepperment. I like these. I am going to try to find if there are any foods that help trigger this problem. Don't know where to start myself. And I am interested if anyone on this board finds some kind of suggestion to this symptom. I will look into it further myself. My acupuncturist didn't suggest taking any herbs for this either, I would be interested. Liz D. - Cat Chinese Traditional Medicine 1/25/2004 9:10:28 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: Reflux victoria_dragon wrote: > > I am wondering what does TCM have to say about reflux? > > > > What is the typical treatment? > > > > I ask because my internist is convinced that that is what I have >because she cannot find anything else. > >What symptoms are you having? What is left of the symptoms I have before I started acupuncture many months ago is just plain pain in my stomach. And it doesn't seem to change. Sitting up, lying down, eating or not. It goes all across under my ribs and upper abdomen (above the waist). Both sides seems relatively equal and it seems to be the stomach. I have had X-rays, CT scan of all organs, ultra sound on the right only (weird techinician probably misread the order). But the doc did CT scan of all organs and found nothing. >In your case this description of symptoms is even more critical since >your internist is convinced you have this because she can't find >anything else. I am going have to have to get a second opinion in TCM. Everything else has responded to treatement except this. The pain sometimes wakes me up at night. And what is weird is that is just stays the same or so it seems. The acupuncturist has done a lot of needle work in my upper abdominal area and when she started the deep probbing it seemed to get worse. I told her to give that a rest for a while, but even when she did acupuncture points on my back it seemed to irritate my stomach (yes I know they are connected) so what I am saying is that it does seem to be connected to stomach meridians. I looked up reflux and it said that means stuff going uphill. I have no idea what that means or what would cause it. If anyone knows what reflux is, if there is such a thing, in , please help me clarify. My acupuncturist said " Oh that must be 'heartburn' " -- I said that I thought heartburn (which I have never had) would be higher up. But it now seems that what was helping me before is now aggravating the situation. OR, there is a new situation which is not being detected. I didn't think it was something like reflux because until last year when I was skating I could lie on my back and drink water or eat and I never had a problem with anything coming up. I am now starting to have concern about the extreme and deep massage to my internal organs and am going to get another opinion. Trying to find another TCM practitioner in this little town for another opinion is going to be something else again. Thanks all for your feedback. Cheers, Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 > I first put a search on the net " symptoms-rib cage pain " and got interesting > information. Seems I found people who suffered from IBS also suffers > from this pain. Also seemed that their doctors can't do anything for it. > I haven't had a diagnosis but I am guessing that is my problem too since > I have IBS issues. I found out about this from my doctor when I had IBS. Pain from the intestines sometimes will be felt in the area of the liver (on the right side under the ribcage). In my case the pain was of major concern because I had had mono-induced hepatitis following gall bladder surgery and abnormal liver tests in the past. I kept having the pain after the liver tests returned to normal, and there was concern about the operation. In my case there was a stricture in a gall duct, but the pain did turn out to be a part of IBS for me. In my case, the main cause of the IBS was dairy, and when I cut out dairy, the pains stopped. (IBS can have a number of causes.) I also had a problem with coffee. I cut out coffee after I had a dream one night in which I was standing in the bathroom looking at the commode. When I saw a cup of coffee I had strong nausea. Cutting out coffee also helped some remaining digestive system problems. IBS often will result in alternating constipation and diarrhea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Most effective way to take milk thistle is as an extract (liquid, usually alcohol). Cat <iceisit wrote:>let me suggest some sun flower seeds for your problem. thank you - Sunflowers is on the list of things I am allergic to-- however I will go back to taking Milk Thistle ... I took a break from that for a while and it might not hurt to take it again since during the summer my liver enzymes were elevated thanks for the reminder! > >the lower rib pain is in TCM the liver acting up. > thanks for letting me know! >sunflower seeds act on the Large Intestine and calm the liver. try it, it really works for me. > stay away from spicy food does that include curry and tumeric which is supposed to be healing ... ? >and if you eat other nuts, make sure you chew them properly. > see now there is the rub. I eat almonds when I can't get regular home cooked food at home -- several times a week, in fact, as I carry them with me. I wonder if that is what the problem is. Thanks for telling me about that as well I wouldn't have suspected the raw almonds. :-) >sunflower seeds are supposed to stop diarrhea too. Ya know, now that I think about it, the liver points in my toes are hurting too. A lot less than when I got the acupuncture, but it is still there. Liver of course! Please let me know about the curry ( & tumeric) as I use it or tumeric in all of my cooking ..... I don't use black pepper ever. Rarely cayenne. Occasionally ginger but not usually. Usually curry & /or tumeric. Not a lot or enough to change the color much. .... just for flavoring. Someone told me it was good for the liver. Maybe that is too much right now? Perhaps I need to cut it out. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Hi, everyone. I have been on the group a while, but this is my first post. I am currently a TCM student in California. To paraphrase Bob Flaws in The Tao of Healthy Eating, tumeric is: (spicy) acrid, bitter, warm; goes to spleen, stomach, liver channels. quickens blood flow, moves qi, stops pain, dispel wind-damp. He says it is used to treat amenorrhea, epigastric and abdominal pain, wind-damp bi pain, pain and swelling due to traumatic injury. As usual, it would be best to see what your practitioner has to say, because it really depends on what your diagnosis is (and diagnosis can change quickly in TCM). If you have liver qi stagnation, than tumeric might be good for you to move the liver qi. However, if you have Liver heat or fire, it could aggrivate your condition. The lower rib pain could also be Liver or Gallbladder damp-heat, in which case you might want to look at foods that cool and drain damp, such as celery and barley. If there is an issue with dampness, then the almonds could definately make it worse. They moisten the Lungs and Large intestine. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything on curry. My guess is that it is hot or warm and acrid. I am pretty sure it has an upward directional (spicy/yang rises) property, so if you have liver fire or liver yang rising, it would aggrivate the condition. The same with qi in other areas that is going up when it should be going down. I would guess, then, but I am not positive about this, that it would not be good for reflux. Good luck! -Zhongyi > >the lower rib pain is in TCM the liver acting up. thanks for letting me know! >sunflower seeds act on the Large Intestine and calm the liver. try it, it really works for me. > stay away from spicy food does that include curry and tumeric which is supposed to be healing ... ? >and if you eat other nuts, make sure you chew them properly. > see now there is the rub. I eat almonds when I can't get regular home cooked food at home -- several times a week, in fact, as I carry them with me. I wonder if that is what the problem is. Thanks for telling me about that as well I wouldn't have suspected the raw almonds. :-) >sunflower seeds are supposed to stop diarrhea too. Please let me know about the curry ( & tumeric) as I use it or tumeric in all of my cooking ..... I don't use black pepper ever. Rarely cayenne. Occasionally ginger but not usually. Usually curry & /or tumeric. Not a lot or enough to change the color much. .... just for flavoring. Someone told me it was good for the liver. Maybe that is too much right now? Perhaps I need to cut it out. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 in these situations, it is perhaps best to re-consider all the different types of food you eat, and see if perhaps they are not aggravating your condition. New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 <zhongyi4all-list wrote: >Hi, everyone. I have been on the group a while, but this is my first post. I am currently a TCM student in California. > Hi Zhongyi Cool name ~ Thanks so much for writing. Very useful information! >To paraphrase Bob Flaws in The Tao of Healthy Eating, tumeric is: (spicy) acrid, bitter, warm; goes to spleen, stomach, liver channels. quickens blood flow, moves qi, stops pain, dispel wind-damp. He says it is used to treat amenorrhea, epigastric and abdominal pain, wind-damp bi pain, pain and swelling due to traumatic injury. > >As usual, it would be best to see what your practitioner has to say, because it really depends on what your diagnosis is (and diagnosis can change quickly in TCM). She says that I need to send the warmth downward, hence things like meditation, " cool down " , etc. ;-) > If you have liver qi stagnation, than tumeric might be good for you to move the liver qi. However, if you have Liver heat or fire, it could aggrivate your condition. I have heat in liver and stomach. >The lower rib pain could also be Liver or Gallbladder damp-heat, in which case you might want to look at foods that cool and drain damp, such as celery and barley. If there is an issue with dampness, then the almonds could definately make it worse. They moisten the Lungs and Large intestine. > I have asthma (which doesn't tell you much in TCM terms) -- I have what I would describe as " twitchy " lungs. When exposed to irritants, pollutants, too much cold without exercise, they start to hurt and burn. I don't have the trouble breathing that some asthmatics do (yet), but I got bronchitis and pneumonia very easily. I find that eating anything with sugar in it makes my lungs hurt, so if I unfortunately forget and eat something which isn't good for me, it doesn't take long to pay for it. But as this winter has gone on, as I had numerous acupuncture treatments for many months, that had improved considerable. >Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything on curry. My guess is that it is hot or warm and acrid. I am pretty sure it has an upward directional (spicy/yang rises) property, so if you have liver fire or liver yang rising, it would aggrivate the condition. Yes fire (she terms it heat) rising is exactly what I have. I put lots of celery into my soups along with romaine lettuce. I do use some root vegis but very few compared to the lettuce and celery. >The same with qi in other areas that is going up when it should be going down. I would guess, then, but I am not positive about this, that it would not be good for reflux. Funny how so many liver formulas contain tumeric or curry. What about white tea? What sorts of properties does that generate? Is that heat producing as well? Very interesting and helpful anaylsis. (I cannot drink green tea, and I need to stay away from black tea.) Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 jamie farris wrote: >in these situations, it is perhaps best to re-consider all the different types of food you eat, and see if perhaps they are not aggravating your condition. Thanks ! ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 I guess if heat is involved it shouldn't come as a surprise to me that cold water seems to help. My acupuncturist said that I should have only warm liquids, not hot or cold; but sometimes the water has been in my car and has chilled down. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 the interesting thing is: what is causing your liver heat? There are several causes. There is liver qi stagnation due to excess, and due to deficiency, and there are several other causes as well. Spleen feeds liver (spleen makes blood and liver stores it) so that if the liver is not working well for any one of various reasons, it can continuously " attack " the spleen, which feeds it, depleting the spleen and source of blood for the liver, and makes it one vicious circle. The person who asked what one could do to strengthen the spleen in a previous post should consider if his liver is weakening his spleen. For years, I was told I had a deficient spleen and did everything I could to tonify it, but still had problems. Finally, a practitioner told me that it was my liver, not my spleen that was the source of my problem. Also, diagnosis can change quite quickly in TCM. I know I go from liver excess to liver deficient quite quickly, depending on my mood and what I eat or drink. (I can tell I have liver deficiency when I get floaters in my vision). And, the liver problem can be due to a problem elsewhere - in the kidney for example. It is important to have a varied and BALANCED diet, I have found, that nourishes every organ/meridian, and to balance cold and hot - my liver needs cold but my spleen needs hot. I guess that's the difference between Western and TCM diagnosis - balance. If you have liver excess, perhaps milkweed is not a good idea. You need to soothe your liver, not excite it. I think I have the same problem as you, and milkweed aggravates my problem. It makes me dizzy (head wind) Sorry if this is coming out all incoherently, I am doing this pretty quickly. Cat <iceisit wrote: I guess if heat is involved it shouldn't come as a surprise to me that cold water seems to help. My acupuncturist said that I should have only warm liquids, not hot or cold; but sometimes the water has been in my car and has chilled down. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emos Philips New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 jamie farris wrote: >the interesting thing is: what is causing your liver heat? There are several causes. There is liver qi stagnation due to excess, and due to deficiency, and there are several other causes as well. > > >Spleen feeds liver (spleen makes blood and liver stores it) so that if the liver is not working well for any one of various reasons, it can continuously " attack " the spleen, which feeds it, depleting the spleen and source of blood for the liver, and makes it one vicious circle. > > >The person who asked what one could do to strengthen the spleen in a previous post should consider if his liver is weakening his spleen. For years, I was told I had a deficient spleen and did everything I could to tonify it, but still had problems. Finally, a practitioner told me that it was my liver, not my spleen that was the source of my problem. > >Also, diagnosis can change quite quickly in TCM. I know I go from liver excess to liver deficient quite quickly, depending on my mood and what I eat or drink. (I can tell I have liver deficiency when I get floaters in my vision). > >And, the liver problem can be due to a problem elsewhere - in the kidney for example. It is important to have a varied and BALANCED diet, I have found, that nourishes every organ/meridian, and to balance cold and hot - my liver needs cold but my spleen needs hot. I guess that's the difference between Western and TCM diagnosis - balance. > >If you have liver excess, perhaps milkweed is not a good idea. You need to soothe your liver, not excite it. I think I have the same problem as you, and milkweed aggravates my problem. It makes me dizzy (head wind) > >Sorry if this is coming out all incoherently, I am doing this pretty quickly. Very excellent points and it was all very clear. Thanks for posting that. The one thing other than curry or tumeric which I use daily and in large quantities is garlic. So even though I have been told that garlic is excellent, maybe it is too much stimulation for me. And thanks for the note about the milkweed. I think I'll just lay off all the herbs for a while except for what I am taking for menopause. Cheers, Cat ^. .^ ~ " A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. " --Emo Philips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hi, I live in the US and have no access to ayurvedic medicines. But I was wondering if there are any home remedies that I could try. My son is 7 yrs old, has cerebral palsy and for 2 yrs now has been suffering from vomitting. His acid levels are not very high, seems more like a muscle tone issue. We have tried all sorts of medicaitons but nothing seems to work. He also has some food allergies, but a recent endoscopy showed he was free from allergens and his stomach lining infact was very healthy. We tried apple cider vinegar but has had no effect. My son crawls, but primarily is in a wheelchair. He has both low and tight muscle tone. He eats only pureed food. I am looking for some natural home remedies that we can try. Sitara Mom of a 7 yr old, diagnosed with Cri Du Chat syndrome, Complete Agenesis of the corpus callosum, and Cerebral palsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 let him simply sip natural orange juice, or, lime juice,or try madulanka rasayana to control vomiting R.Vidhyasagar. ______________ My son is 7 yrs old, has cerebral palsy and for 2 yrs now has been suffering from vomitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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