Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hi all, I am new to this group and ayurveda and hope to learn more. I have a question and would be glad to hear your idea. If the prakruti of a person is Pitta and his/her Vikruti is Pitta/Vata, which kind of diet would be suitable for him/her? Kind Regards, Nader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Honestly the Prakriti is irrelevant and only important if you're interested in the person's primordial nature… The Vikriti is were the imbalance lies, and that is what needs to be pacified… So in this case Pitta/Vata needs to be pacified and a Pitta/Vata pacifying diet is needed… Go to Files on your left, at the main page... Then to Articles... Then to Noel Gilbert's files and then to Pitta/Vata diet... Good luck… Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 What I need to know is what comprises an inbalance? I am a vata with my second highest a pitta. How do I know what is balanced or imbalanced, this is so confusing.??? Peace and love Bonnie __________ The Vikriti is were the imbalance lies, and that is what needs to be pacified. So in this case Pitta/Vata needs to be pacified and a Pitta/Vata pacifying diet is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hi Bonnie… You really need to read a few books on the subject… The answer your looking for lies in the signs and symptoms, which manifest from 20 conditions that fall into the three doshas… To understand treatment you have to understand the sub-doshas and the Srotas condition and which herbs pacifies, balances, or corrects the condition… My first 6 months at school I thought I'd never understand it… and then one day it hit me…. Its one thing to see it written down on paper, buts it's another to see it in everything you look at… to understand Ayurveda you have to live it and see it in everything you look at… If you truly want to understand it, you're going to have to have a strong desire to know and get serous about reading about it… You have to study it until it clicks and you see life from an eastern point of view instead a western point of view… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I too confused by such questions. To treat a patient is easy. but talking , explaining, convincing is more difficult many patients put questions like a examiner. by the way they irritate the doctor R.Vidhyasagar. ________________ What I need to know is what comprises an inbalance? I am a vata with my second highest a pitta. How do I know what is balanced or imbalanced, this is so confusing.?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Noel, good to hear from you. Can you suggest anything in particular I could read. I do have several books on Ayurveda, as I have been interested in it for many years. I just wish there was a Dr. near by me I could seek out for help. Peace and love Bonnie ___________ You really need to read a few books on the subject. The answer your looking for lies in the signs and symptoms, which manifest from 20 conditions that fall into the three doshas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi Bonnie… If you really want to get a good grasp of the subject, David Frawley's Ayurvedic Healing, Correspondence Course, for health care professionals, from the American Institute of Vedic Studies is the best there is… It was required reading when I went to school… Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Thanks Noel, I'll check it on Amazon. I did have a good book, but it seems to have disappeared, and I think it's one you are talking about. I know it was Frawley who wrote it. Peace and love Bonnie ----- If you really want to get a good grasp of the subject, David Frawley's Ayurvedic Healing, Correspondence Course, for health care professionals, from the American Institute of Vedic Studies is the best there is. It was required reading when I went to school. Noel --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hi Bonnie... This not just a book... It is a Correspondence Course... You can't get enough in one book to give you an idea... You have to saturate the mind with it, to see it... Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Hi Nader, Bonnie and other friends, A doctor shouldn't get irritated by a patient's questions. People nowadays want to take more responsibility for their health - is that possibly too much for doctors who would rather remain the " experts " ? Also, when teachers try to teach Sanskrit words while speaking English, this leads to confusion. Health principles are simple - I sometimes feel that people try to confound others by using a different language. Your question, Nader, is answered when you understand what " prakruti " and " vikruti " mean. Prakruti is your original constitution, the original ratio of doshas (Vata, Pitta, Kapha) when you were conceived. Ayurveda says that prakruti stays the same throughout life. Vikruti is how far the original ratio has been changed, i.e. how far out of balance your doshas are. Vikruti is caused by external factors e.g. foods, climate, mental perceptions etc, that increase or decrease our doshas. Usually, external factors balance out - e.g. Pitta rising during the day is balanced by Vata, then Kapha, in the daily cycle. However, if the changes are not rebalanced, then problems can arise. Persistent imbalance of the doshas from their original state leads eventually to disease. This leads to Bonnie's question - how do we know there is imbalance? In the ayurvedic Samprapti theory of disease causation, we will perceive imbalances by relevent symptoms. Vata imbalance can be felt as an anxious feeling, or some wind in the belly. Pitta imbalance can be felt as abnormal heat or irritability. Kapha imbalance can be felt as heaviness or nausea. We often disregard these feelings because we feel they are too superficial to pay attention to - but, according to Ayurveda, they are the first stages of disease. If we became sensitive to them and dealt with them as they arose, we might almost never need to be ill! True, some diseases, such as virulent infections, do develop quickly - yet it is often the case that we could have done something to optimise our immunity, and avoid prolonged stress, which depresses immunity. Keeping healthy is like navigating a boat - you are never exactly on course, but always making fine adjustments, always correcting the imbalances. That is life! To answer Nader's question, you address the vikruti - the imbalance - first; in your case by a Pitta/Vata or Vata diet. Once Vata is settled, then have a Pitta-balancing diet. For more info on doshas, their qualities and hints for balancing them, see my article at http://scienceoflife.co.nz/the-three-doshas/ <http://scienceoflife.co.nz/the-three-doshas/> I hope this has helped all the " newbies " on the list. Don't forget, this list is for asking questions! Best regards, Gerald Lopez Auckland, New Zealand www.ScienceOfLife.co.nz <http://scienceoflife.co.nz> _______________ I am new to this group and ayurveda and hope to learn more. I have a question and would be glad to hear your idea. If the prakruti of a person is Pitta and his/her Vikruti is Pitta/Vata, which kind of diet would be suitable for him/her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 > A doctor shouldn't get irritated by a patient's questions. People > nowadays want to take more responsibility for their health - is that > possibly too much for doctors who would rather remain the " experts " ? Thanks for this comment. Aftre modern medicine's miserable failure to address chronic conditions effectively, patients have become critics and suspicious too. This is unavoidable as " burnt with milk, cautious with buttermilk " as the saying goes. Patients have to be treated like 5 year old kids. Do we ever get irritated by our own kids asking questions incessantly? The curiosity and suspicion both lead to querries. Imagine difficulties when a healer is using panchgavya medicines unknown to most vaidyas, as they have been formulated in last two decades. And being immunity boosters as well as detoxifiers, they invariably lead to Herxheimer reaction to a variable degree. The only reason author stuck with them, was they were giving amazing results at throw-away cost to the patient. Once the patient is convinced about his imbalance and medicines action, even reactions are taken with smile and confidence.....That is what leads to better conformance to the protocol and resultant cure. Through questions, patients gave an opportunity to explore the areas of ignorance and mind-body connections, hitherto less emphasized in healing practice. Dr Bhate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 There is a three volumn book out there with that title, used for $89.00 only one though from Amazon. I was reading about the course online, it sounds interesting, but I feel it would be better to just attend school period. Of course it is in California, there never seems to be anything in the Northeast. Cost is also a factor and at my age it's a little late to go back to school. I do have Ayuvedic healing, and Ayurveda and the mind. Yoga and Ayurveda is the one that I can't find. I'll read these again and maybe I can figure this out. Peace and love Bonnie __________________ This not just a book... It is a Correspondence Course... You can't get enough in one book to give you an idea... You have to saturate the mind with it, to see it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 You're never too old to go back to school… I was 47 when I started the California Collage of Ayurveda… I have taken an early retirement at 58 to take time to take care of my own heath… but this Correspondence Course is the best out there and you will learn a lot more than just the laymen's knowledge… Order the Correspondence Course so you can get certified in it… Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well said Mr. Lopez _____________ A doctor shouldn't get irritated by a patient's questions. People nowadays want to take more responsibility for their health - is that possibly too much for doctors who would rather remain the " experts " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 If you haven't tried a correspondence course, it may be worth checking it out. Our educational system is rapidly changing and resources are available no matter our location through these advancing systems. One can find great teachings and teachers. Age is just an asset to our further education! Om Shanti, Michelle __________ I was reading about the course online, it sounds interesting, but I feel it would be better to just attend school period.... Cost is also a factor and at my age it's a little late to go back to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Thanks Gerald for explanation. Kind Regards, Nader ___________ A doctor shouldn't get irritated by a patient's questions. People nowadays want to take more responsibility for their health - is that possibly too much for doctors who would rather remain the " experts " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Dear Noel, Thanks for answer. I check the files. They are very interesting but there was no Diet program for Kapha-Vata, Vata-Kapha, Pitta-Kapha groups. What kind of diets are used in these groups? Kind Regards, Nader _________ Go to Files on your left, at the main page... Then to Articles... Then to Noel Gilbert's files and then to Pitta/Vata diet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Hi Nader... Using food alone you can't pacify Kapha without increasing Vata, and visa Vera... Usually in this case you are looking at anything from an over weight person with dry skin to a tumor, and then oilation is required to soften up the kapha to get it moving… But you can use the Kapha/Pitta diet in a Pitta/Kapha condition... Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Whoa, I am totally imbalanced, except for the dry skin, bone problems and anxiety it describes me to a tee. I have horrible digestion, always have. It doesn't matter what I eat either. Peace and love Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I have a severe learning disability and for me to try and do a correspondence course would be beyond difficult. I need the structure of the class room with teacher and students present for face to face discussion. Peace and love Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Bonnie… I don't' mean to hurt your feelings but I have suggested courses of action to you for years, and I don't think we have made an inch of headway… It has nothing to do with learning disability it has to do with a weak or strong desire… I am dyslexic and if it weren't for spell check this would not be legible… You need to make an effort sweet heart… I will be out of town for the next few days… Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Thanks, Noel, for answers. They helped me very much. Kind Regards, Nader __________ Using food alone you can't pacify Kapha without increasing Vata, and visa Vera... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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