Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Vaidyas, There seems to be a controversy amongst the naturopaths and new age health websites whether the environment inside the intestines should be acidic or alkaline to kill candida. Some say that if you keep the environment acidic, they are likely to die, whereas others support alkalinity for good health and even for candida-control. I wanted to seek Ayurvedic opinion on it. In general, I know that an alkaline body is supposed to be better, but then unless the intestines are acidic enough to make it difficult for the candida to live, how will they die? Every anti-fungal medicine is supposed to create an acidic environment inside. Please eradicate my confusion. Thanks, Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Not an Ayurvedic opinion - just an observation - that people tend to overlook the fact that different areas of the body have a different pH to serve different purposes - body alkalinity for optimal health and elimination of cancer and other devastating condition means a slight elevation in blood pH is preferable - whereas pH of urine should be acid - alkaline condition here is one of the first signs of infection - it is a very subtle balance throughout the body - usually alternating in the digestive system anyway & beginning in the mouth with alkaline saliva. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 > > I wanted to seek Ayurvedic opinion on it. In general, I know that an alkaline body is supposed to be better, but then unless the intestines are acidic enough to make it difficult for the candida to live, how will they die? Every anti-fungal medicine is supposed to create an acidic environment inside. > ______________________ Since one cant find Candida discussed in ayurvedic ancient texts, the answer to your querry has to be arrived at by simple logic derived from modern science observations and few simple experiences of patients. One site where candida resides permanentsly is vagina. The exploration using pH strips tells that acidity here remains high during the most of menstrual cycle. (pH is low). This keeps opportunistic growth of candida in check. under improper pH, Candida albicans will shift from yeast form to mycelial fungal form and start to invade the body. In the yeast state, Candida is a non-invasive, sugar-fermenting organism, while in fungal state it is invasive and can produce rhizoids, very long root-like structures. Rhizoids can penetrate mucosa or vaginal/intestinal walls, leaving microscopic holes and allowing toxins, undigested food particles and bacteria and yeast to enter the bloodstream. This condition is known as Leaky Gut Syndrome and that is an explanation for many food and environmental allergies. Now higher acidity in the vaginal walls as well as urine kills any infections and also sperms. Hence, when ovulation is about to occur, the cervical mucous is intentionally made alkaline by the body, so that sperms not only find less acidic environment, and this mucous is nutritious for them. Once the ovum is fertilised or dies, the acidity is restored automatically. One way of restoring the balance when vaginal yeast occurs, the herbalists and naturopaths recommend vaginal douches using diluted vinegar, lemon, saline water, probiotics liquids, fresh crushed garlic in yogurt, or pessaries of Lactobasilus organisms. This makes the environment acidic, keeping check on candida overgrowth. Thus candida can be kept in control by providing slightly acidic pH, but excess acid causes burning, stinging, itching sensations. Moreover, candida die-off anyway causes those sensations. Hence one has to derive his patient-specific equilibrium, where he can withstand die off recations and also cause sufficient control force on candida in slow mode. starting from one pearl of garlic on empty stomach one can increase the number slowly. Basil leaves juice, ginger juice, mustard seeds, juice of raw turmeric, are ayurvedic suggestions. Soaked methi(fenugreek) seeds, cinnamon tea are also helpful. Psyllium husk, pectin rich fruits such as apple, papaya, pineapple, pomegranates are useful to eliminate micotoxins from die- off reactions. The elimianatory channels must be kept working well. Drinking small quantity of Extra virgin olive oil or sesame oil at breakfast and taking lemon water 2-3 times a day is also helpful to check the growth of Candida. If availability is not an issue, 21 leaves of Tulsi, Bail and Neem, eaten on empty stomach will also help to keep candida in check. lack of bitter taste in our diet and excess blood sugar leads to the growth of parasites and yeast. The root cause of many diseases is belived to be Candida. The list includes Diabetes and Cancer too. One way of effective control on Candida is through self urine. Self urine as well as cow urine are acidic in healthy state. The pH of urine becomes alkaline when infection occurs in urinal track. This could be the reason why urine therapy helps in many diseases. In vaginal yeast infection, diluted self urine douce is also reported to be efective. Urine therapy is supported by several in west. e.g. http://www.health-science-spirit.com/free-candida.htm Dr Bhate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Interesting - so the urine pH urine test should come in more towards the acidic side? Do you know the numbers it should be - 7.0 or ?- the strips don't address this issue - treating urine and saliva the same - could you address this a bit? I have been told that alkalizing is key to warding disease and to test the urine - this does make sense though - how do you recommend testing for proper pH levels? Many thanks, Michelle Not an Ayurvedic opinion - just an observation - that people tend to overlook the fact that different areas of the body have a different pH to serve different purposes - body alkalinity for optimal health and elimination of cancer and other devastating condition means a slight elevation in blood pH is preferable - whereas pH of urine should be acid - alkaline condition here is one of the first signs of infection - it is a very subtle balance throughout the body - usually alternating in the digestive system anyway & beginning in the mouth with alkaline saliva. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 On those urine testing sticks you can buy at great expense from most pharmacies there is a long list of different tests - which all indicate different things - infection being indicated by a pH of anything over 7 - i.e. higher than 7 should be classified as potential infection and 7, 6 & 5 being acceptable as normal - the other indicator for infection would be positive for Nitrites - plain litmus paper will tell you acid or alkaline but not the precise reading. Jane ............................................................ Interesting - so the urine pH urine test should come in more towards the acidic side? Do you know the numbers it should be - 7.0 or ?- the strips don't address this issue - treating urine and saliva the same - could you address this a bit? I have been told that alkalizing is key to warding disease and to test the urine - this does make sense though - how do you recommend testing for proper pH levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 > so the urine pH urine test should come in more towards the acidic side? Do you know the numbers it should be The number should be close to 6.4 But author does not advise its measurement daily. Take " fruits only " diet for 2-3 days and taste the the first mid-stream urine in the morning. Remember this taste, rather its acidic taste. Compare it with daily teaste when you are in doubt. Allopathic medicines, NSAIDS, antibiotics give bitter taste in the urine since liver and kidneys eliminate some parts of this medicines. This has been explained for a layman in Iron rules of health series last year, please see archives. The post titled " Unexplained Infertility - 3 " gives links to all 24 chapters of this book, at the end the post. > the strips don't address this issue - treating urine and saliva the same - could you address this a bit? The measurement of pH requires an electronic conductivity/pH meter, a calibrated probe and buffer solutions. The use of this requires skill also. Cost may range between 5000 Rs to 7000 Rs (120 USD - 150 USD). More than cost, maintaining the probe in best conditions is a head ache. > I have been told that alkalizing is key to warding disease and to test the urine - this does make sense though - how do you recommend testing for proper pH levels? Yes. As long as you do not take excess soft carbs, sugary sweets etc which promote candida growth. Urine pH gives a good guidance to the diet, especially for cancer patient. If you have science background, patience, and can take care of the fragile pH probe, you may buy a pH meter. Ayurveda uses the characteristics of the saliva, urine and feces for diagnosis, though modern vaidyas like to rely on modern reports. some of the simple tests recommended by ayurveda (e.g. see Ashtang Hridya) on urine, tongue, feces are easy for even patients to do. But interpretation varies according to other tests also (pulse, face, skin etc). Urine pH will become more alkaline (number will tend to reach 7) as diet becomes less acidic or the one which produces less acid in the stomach. similarly, as liver secrets more bile, urine pH tends to become alkaline. This is a general guideline. In case of liver disease, the picture could change. In contrast to allopathy, ayurveda is a syntheis science not an analytical science. Urine should have slightly salty, acidic taste when tasted first urine in the morning. Later during the day, it should tend towards just plain water. If water intake is less, the later urines may taste salty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 A good source of info on urine test is: http://health./urinary-overview/urine-test/healthwise--hw6580.html ___________________ Interesting - so the urine pH urine test should come in more towards the acidic side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Urine testing strips will test urine pH from 4 - 9 as well as ketones, bilirubin, leucocytes, protein, SG, nitrites & glucose - all on the one strip, here they are about $27 for 50 strips. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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