Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I accept the views of Dr. Mankikar who narrated that there is no system either The Allopathy or Ayurveda, which can be called as complete system as there are many areas where these systems are not having any answers. For example the Rhumatic disorders. In Ayurveda there is a way to kanow the pathogenisis and the formation of Ama and its symptoms complexes. The Modern science also propogates that there would be disturbances in the metobolism and intermediatory products forms and circulates in the blood.Such as the CRP and RA factor etc. It is area where the principles of Ayurveda should be tried in true spirit and a treatment for these disorders can found out. Sharing our views is anly to strengthen our approaches to wards the better healthcare of human beings as we say " sarvejana sukinobhavantu " Dattatreya rao Siripuram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I have to disagree with you - as a novice it strikes me that Ayurveda in the hands and heart of the right Vaidya would cure any person, karma permitting - allopathy and Ayurveda cannot be compared - I cannot see allopathy curing anything - eliminating symptoms yes - in exchange for others - but cure? Try " patch up " for allopathy. And cure with Ayurveda. Jane ................................................................................ >I accept the views of Dr. Mankikar who narrated that there is no > system either The Allopathy or Ayurveda, which can be called as > complete system as there are many areas where these systems are not > having any answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I fully agree with Jane. It is from my personal experience. S.M.ACHARYA, Nature Cure & Spinal Rehab Centre, 155 St. Patrick & #39;s Town, Pune 411013, Ph: +91-20-26870204, Cell: 91-9422314693, Email: ______________________________ I cannot see allopathy curing anything - eliminating symptoms yes - in exchange for others - but cure? Try " patch up " for allopathy. And cure with Ayurveda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Dear Jane, As you are a novice, you seem to be living in the utopic world of Ayurveda, an impression created by Western preachers of Ayurveda, for the sake of their own benefits. Do you know that Ayurveda classifies diseases in four categories according to their prognosis - 1) Sukha-sadhya (Easily curable) 2) Kashta-sadhya (Curable after persitent medicinal / surgical management) 3) Yapya (Medicines to be continued life-long, as the disease is manageable but not totally curable) 4) Asadhya (Incurable stage of disease) Are you contradicting this opinion of Asadhya condition mentioned in Ayurveda by old masters like Charak & Sushrut? Or have you found any great living Master of Ayurveda in your observations? Please let us know so that all may benefit from such a visionary? Have you ever faced a life -threatening or near-death experience in your life? Have you used Ayurvedic formulations in such conditions? How mere mortals like us can understand karma? Should a doctor consider karma while treating the patient or do his duty in confirmation of humanity and respect for life? How much allopathy have you studied to say contrary about that system? Do you know the contribution of - 1) Antibiotics in life-threatening conditions like septicaemia, meningitis, fulminating pneumonia, tuberculosis and host of other disease caused by pathogens having killing potential 2) Anti-inflammatory medicines in dental, surgical procedures, fractures amd the like 3) Anaesthetics in surgical procedures 4) Immunisations which have prevented so many neonatal and pediatric deaths, so also many epidemics which killed / disfigured / maimed million people all over the world 5) Emergency procedures, haemostatics and other life saving drugs which save our soldiers on the battle-fields from losing their lives 6) Intravenous fliuds / Parenteral infusions which ahve been useful in cases of loss of fluids from the body I have just named a few which any layman could understand. There is a much bigger list, hence consider and respect the scientists all over the world who have been striving relentlessly to make mankind more safer , imparting longevity, which is evident by world-wide statistics. I do not wish even in my dreams to discredit Ayurveda. But facts will remain stark truths till Ayurveda offers all that allopathy is offering today. Will you please shed your emotional attitude to face the harsh truth? I would have been the most happiest man, if your thoughts were a reality as on today. Ther is no way cotradicting the clarion call in message sent by Dr.Durgesh Mankikar. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar ___________ I have to disagree with you - as a novice it strikes me that Ayurveda in the hands and heart of the right Vaidya would cure any person, karma permitting - allopathy and Ayurveda cannot be compared - I cannot see allopathy curing anything - eliminating symptoms yes - in exchange for others - but cure? Try " patch up " for allopathy. And cure with Ayurveda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Dear Dr Muzumdar What a lovely long email to reply to. I have answered almost all of your points but without the numbering system, I trust you can follow them. Only a novice in Ayurveda I wonder how open I should be with you about what you have written - I would not cast pearls before swine - as you know this is not at all advisable. The reason I remain on the Ayurveda list is so that I can appreciate more fully that homeopathy is not the only alternative discipline that heals the individual from the inside and completely without residue, even though at this stage not all is completely understood about homeopathic residue. The four classifications according to Ayurveda - I would like a second opinion on these classifications - since I am not sure that anyone is capable of classifying anything when it comes to the fate of another individual, another soul - and the relationship between that individual and his practitioner is unique and precious - this trust may be what heals, more than anything allopathy would have to offer, since most allopathic practitioners are only interested in a quick fix, and a quick buck - just like my gardener with his bottle of Roundup for the weeds - Roundup is not permitted on my property either. I have found a few living Masters in my life since this has been of great interest to me - but despite your interest I am not prepared to discuss or divulge details of these Masters. Since past attempts to discuss these, even with the most earnest students of Life, have only met with disbelief and derision. You would know that Spiritual Truths are private and can be shared inwardly. You would not be prepared to meet with me inwardly, this is obvious from your reply to my post. Mortals can understand Karma, as they are subject to it, and I'm quite sure that - as you yourself would find - intense interest leads to knowledge and expansion of awareness. For me, a Living Master's contact means that whatever I intensely concentrate on, reveals many hidden truths, these have included Karmic truths. If you mock me - I do not mock you in return, I say to you that you are an extremely intelligent and highly qualified person and if you wanted to explore the realities of Karma you would easily be able to do so yourself. No, a Dr should not consider Karma when treating a patient s/he should put all his knowledge and love into assisting all his/her patients back to optimal health, right to the very end. Both the Dr and the Patient should give their all for the cure. As a Registered Nurse for the last 30 years and a homeopath for 47 years I have observed anti-biotic use in many life threatening conditions and many rare and unusual conditions which would have been avoided altogether if homeopathy or Ayurveda had been used from the beginning of the patient's illness. Anti-inflammatory medicines are a quick fix in dental and surgical procedures also in fractures - ATCM and homeopathy can heal and assist in a faster healing in any of these maladies and I have seen this done. Have cured such things myself using homeopathy alone. Anaesthetics are necessary for people who leave interventions until the last minute instead of cultivating awareness of their body's true state of health - only last week I read in the National Newspaper here of a gentleman who anaesthetised himself using hypnosis prior to bone surgery and I also know that acupuncture too has this capacity - no drugs required. Immunisations - you mean the ones that cause damage and death to countless infants and kill off the elderly to reduce government spending on their enormous aged pension bills? Homeopathy can immunise without these side effects if people feel immunisation is essential and immunisations have only increased in their range to this huge extent because allopathy is incapable of resolving any of these common diseases - so they immunise and change the form of the disease and thus support the Pharmaceutical Company coffers with an endless range of diversity in drugs for side effect after side effect. Emergency procedures are prolonged and exacerbated by inefficient hospital treatments - homeopathy would treat any of these far more efficiently reducing enormously the need to increase the trauma to the patient as occurs in the allopathic hospital situation day after day. Intravenous fluids are often helpful in assisting the speedy recovery where there is gross loss of body fluid - but I am quite sure Ayurveda and ATCM as well as homeopathy would do just as good a job when required thus reducing the need and the cost of the excessive use of IV fluids and blood products currently used extravagantly by hospital staff. Scientist all over the world have often found cures and wonderful results in their research but very few have escaped the wrath of the Big Pharm who have relentlessly increased their researching and their funds by never really allowing much to help the general public and making sure that cures for common illnesses like cancer are NEVER found. It seems that you discredit Ayurveda every time you write this type of scathing response by doubting its full strength and wisdom in curing much more than you yourself appear capable of - there are other Ayurvedic practitioners on this list alone who would NEVER consider using anti-biotics for their patients - to me anti-biotics are like using chemotherapy for cancers - adding to the burden of toxicity in an already toxic environment - do you also use chemo for patients that come to you with cancerous tumours? Does Ayurveda not offer a better solution? Ever? I am not at all emotional in my attitude, but your reading of what I write evokes such a strong emotional response in yourself that I suppose you are unable to see past it? My thoughts (as you say - my thoughts - not my emotions) are merely based on my own experiences - nothing more - not based on your experiences, but based on my experiences - but then I have had a pretty amazing life with pretty amazing experiences - these experiences have taken me far beyond what you may have experienced - I do not talk lightly when I say that Allopathy offers very little and that Ayurveda, Homeopathy and ATCM offer the patient far far more in every aspect of his Life and Health. I understand that this list is an open forum where discussion and relating of people's experiences can take place openly without being condemned if they do not agree with other people's experiences, so I am not sure why you are so upset that I do not agree with your friend Dr Mankikar, and I am sure if he wished he could answer for himself instead of you taking up your valuable time to do so. Best Jane MacRoss .................................................................................\ ............. " muzumdar " > Dear Jane, > As you are a novice, you seem to be living in the utopic world of > Ayurveda, an impression created by Western preachers of Ayurveda, for the > sake of their own benefits. > Do you know that Ayurveda classifies diseases in four categories according > to their prognosis - > 1) Sukha-sadhya (Easily curable) > 2) Kashta-sadhya (Curable after persitent medicinal / surgical management) > 3) Yapya (Medicines to be continued life-long, as the disease is > manageable but not totally curable) > 4) Asadhya (Incurable stage of disease) > Are you contradicting this opinion of Asadhya condition mentioned in > Ayurveda by old masters like Charak & Sushrut? Or have you found any great > living Master of Ayurveda in your observations? Please let us know so that > all may benefit from such a visionary? > Have you ever faced a life -threatening or near-death experience in your > life? Have you used Ayurvedic formulations in such conditions? > How mere mortals like us can understand karma? Should a doctor consider > karma while treating the patient or do his duty in confirmation of > humanity and respect for life? > How much allopathy have you studied to say contrary about that system? Do > you know the contribution of - > 1) Antibiotics in life-threatening conditions like septicaemia, > meningitis, fulminating pneumonia, tuberculosis and host of other disease > caused by pathogens having killing potential > 2) Anti-inflammatory medicines in dental, surgical procedures, fractures > amd the like > 3) Anaesthetics in surgical procedures > 4) Immunisations which have prevented so many neonatal and pediatric > deaths, so also many epidemics which killed / disfigured / maimed million > people all over the world > 5) Emergency procedures, haemostatics and other life saving drugs which > save our soldiers on the battle-fields from losing their lives > 6) Intravenous fliuds / Parenteral infusions which ahve been useful in > cases of loss of fluids from the body > I have just named a few which any layman could understand. There is a much > bigger list, hence consider and respect the scientists all over the world > who have been striving relentlessly to make mankind more safer , imparting > longevity, which is evident by world-wide statistics. > I do not wish even in my dreams to discredit Ayurveda. But facts will > remain stark truths till Ayurveda offers all that allopathy is offering > today. > Will you please shed your emotional attitude to face the harsh truth? I > would have been the most happiest man, if your thoughts were a reality as > on today. > Ther is no way cotradicting the clarion call in message sent by Dr.Durgesh > Mankikar. > > Dr.D.B.Muzumdar > ___________ > I have to disagree with you - as a novice it strikes me that Ayurveda in > the hands and heart of the right Vaidya would cure any person, karma > permitting - allopathy and Ayurveda cannot be compared - I cannot see > allopathy curing anything - eliminating symptoms yes - in exchange for > others - but cure? Try " patch up " for allopathy. And cure with Ayurveda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 One of the things I have noticed about much medicine in general, Ayurvedic, allopathic or whatever, is that above all, people tend to try to be practical and use what works best for that particular ailment rather than preach the system itself as if it were a religion. I bet if any of the old masters were practicing now, they would be modifying the system to account for the new stuff like antibiotics and to syncretize a new system that takes other inventions into account. Any system of thought that doesn't change with the times dies eventually or is distorted beyond recognition by people who get too dogmatic in their actions. The many people over the years who have contributed to the development of medicine in general have been very bright people and most bright people do not let themselves be trapped into dogmatic thinking or thinking that ignores any evidence that doesn't agree with their system. I don't mean that one needs to be so open-minded that his or her brain pours out either, just that it is important to allow for new evidence and practice. Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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