Digest Number 2306

[Guest guest]

At 08:15 PM 11/2/2005, you wrote:

 

>Hey Marge,

>

>Your SpamCop has blocked the last two e-mails I sent to you. ;-) Butch

 

 

I don't RUN one!!!!

 

the long one you sent came thru just fine.... ?????

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have stopped responding to this list serve, just because of

this----unnecessary ego trips and fights about who is " right " , and whose words

count in the end. I do read your columns and chuckle everytime that nothing has

really changed here.

 

talking of mis-spellings, you have mis-spelled several times in the past.

When one types fast, and does not have the patience to read what has been

written, just to get one's answers " out there " quickly, these things do happen.

You have also " erred " similarly in the past.

 

I also agree with Dr Muzumdar that you do have a tendency to show that only you

are a critical thinker. You do have a  fund of knowledge, which is valuable, but

you are wasting it in unnecessary arguments. Why not let the intelligent reader

of this list-serve judge the validity of the information, and sift through all

different " angles " and judge for oneself what is really helpful ?

 

Between you Todd and Dr Bhate, and some other Ayurveda-Nazis,( who were not even

Ayurvedists, or " ayurvaidists " , but Homeopaths, but whose " ayurvedic " arguments

were used only to bash " modern medicine " ) you guys do not want to listen to

anyone else, and think that everything is either cow-urine therapy only, or some

mumbo jumbo, using all sorts of arguments to prove one's theories.

 

Either we accept that modern medicine has some valid contributions or we should

stop using terms like GABA and stuff like that, when there aren't " real /

adequate " studies to prove the ayurvedic treatments.

 

Another person has a good question ---about education of Emergency Treatments.

Instead of accepting that Current Ayurvedic education or treatment does not

address this issue, Dr Bhate has again gone into questionable and round about

ways to " address " a non-answer with verbal acrobatics, which only he

understands, and with references to his own long, past,  non-answers, as if they

are " valid studies " of any sort. Such references are meaningless to any serious

student of Ayurveda or to a serious student of science. Just because one refers

to one's own " past tirades " does not make them valid, except in one's own mind.

 

Let us accept that Modern medicine did come about for some reason. Either

because of failure of Ayurvedic treatment as in Pneumonias ( antibiotics ) or

because of inadequate solution for emergency treatment for acute emergencies

such as Asthma. Let us also accept that neither does Modern medicine " cure "

everything, and nor does " ayurveda " . Let us also accept that surgery, is the

proper solution at times, otherwise there would not have been " ayurvedic sugical

treatments " !!

 

We should use Modern medicines to help relieve the patient's acute problems, and

not treat our own egos or our own biases, until we find out " ayurvedic "

treatments for acute emergencies or for life threatening illnesses. Let us also

conduct proper scientific studies with ayurvedic medicines, before trying to

prove a point. That will help the patient and will also help Ayurveda.

 

That is my firm opinion.

Durgesh Mankikar,MD

 

[Guest guest]

i agree 100% with you about egos and the arguments that get in the way.

there should also be a certain respect for true vaidyas (BAMS especially)

from india as they are the authority on the matter. of course inquiry (from

all people) should never been seen as disrespect as well, contrary to indian

values perhaps. dialectic i believe is still important especially for

ayurveda and its resurgence. so its a blend of respect but at the same time

of inquiry. that balance will need to be drawn by trial and error and

understanding.

 

namaskar,

 

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

(: 559.474.8576

,: rajagursahani

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Durgesh Mankikar:

 

This 's objective is to share and obtain information on

ayurveda.

 

As you rightly said, lay people like me have enough brains to cross-

check the fact Vs fiction presented here before we rush out and buy a

cow. And, no one gets an Oscar for upstaging anyone here.

 

It pains me that you needlessly attack Dr Bhate & Dr. Todd. Between

the two of them, they posted over 25% of the messages on this message

board - most of them quite useful to the masses. That is quite a lot

of time in front of the computer to help lay people like me who live

in far off corners of the world. When someone comes up with a

problem / question / clarification, they (guys) give their viewpoint.

You are most welcome to do the same for the advancement of ayurveda

or to help the 'aam aadmi' with your knowledge of ayurveda.

 

Internet is like a free country. If you don't like something that is

said here, please tell us why it should not be done that way. I

assure you, the members of this group are smart enough to pickup the

right advise.

 

As Thyagaraja said, Endaro mahanubhavulu, Andariki vandanamulu (So

many enlightened souls, pranam to all).

 

K Ramayya

____________________

 

I have stopped responding to this list serve, --- I do read your

columns and chuckle everytime that nothing has really changed here.

 

Why not let the intelligent reader of this list-serve judge the

validity of the information, and sift through all different " angles "

and judge for oneself what is really helpful ?

 

Between you Todd and Dr Bhate, and some other Ayurveda-Nazis,.. you

guys do not want to listen to anyone else, and think that everything

is either cow-urine therapy only, or some mumbo jumbo, using all

sorts of arguments to prove one's theories.

[Guest guest]

Dear Durgesh

Your observation is correct. In every field you will find egoistic stalwarts.

There is good subhashita in sanskrut

Aguni [Non Intelligent] Guninam Vetti [ respects intelligent personality] Guni

Gunishu matsari [ intelligent people hate another intelligent person] Guni cha

Gunaragi cha virala saralojanaha [ but respecting an intelligent person by

another intelligent persone is a rare phenomena ]

Vaidya Upadhye

http://www.astroayurvedalogy.com

http://www.astrotreat.blogspot.com

__________

 

I have stopped responding to this list serve, just because of

this----unnecessary ego trips and fights about who is " right " , and whose words

count in the end.

[Guest guest]

dear kodanda ramayya,

with due respect to your opinion, if something is pushed in the name of

Ayurveda, is it not the duty of a vigilant person to point it out so?

it is easy to give sermons and listen to lectures, but when one has to

personally face a health risk which could degrade to life-threatening condition,

just because he/she relied on opinions, many a times from non-vaidyas/doctors,

who will be responsible?

i doubt whether how many of the advisors have personally worked in hospitals

attending them in life-threatening conditions before boasting their Ayurvedic

achievements?

please think over

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

________

 

This 's objective is to share and obtain information on

ayurveda.

 

As you rightly said, lay people like me have enough brains to cross-

check the fact Vs fiction presented here before we rush out and buy a

cow.

[Guest guest]

I really appreciate Dr.Muzumdar's contribution to this forum and for projecting

the current system of Ayurveda as approved by the Govt of India in the right

manner. His cautious, practical and methodical approach along with 18 years of

clinical experience in treating patients speaks volumes about his diligence. For

acute and emergency conditions as Ayurveda consumers we need to excercise

caution before taking any self-medication, going by hear-say and using freely

available internet information. I have read Dr.Muzumdar's posts with great

interest and he has always projected Ayurveda in the right perspective keeping

emotions and religious dogmas aside. He has even thrown light on the

practicalities of which system of medicine to use in emergency conditions and

has not bashed allopathy system just because he is an Ayurveda practitioner. I

hope I get a chance to consult him next time when I'm in India.

 

-Pradeep

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with due respect to your opinion, if something is pushed in the name of

Ayurveda, is it not the duty of a vigilant person to point it out so?

 

it is easy to give sermons and listen to lectures, but when one has to

personally face a health risk which could degrade to life-threatening condition,

just because he/she relied on opinions, many a times from non-vaidyas/doctors,

who will be responsible?

 

i doubt whether how many of the advisors have personally worked in hospitals

attending them in life-threatening conditions before boasting their Ayurvedic

achievements?