Ayurveda vs ER4YT

[Guest guest]

Which is the most powerful therapy? I've been back on ER4YT for a few

months, and recently began reading about Ayurveda. It's kind of hard

to decide which diet is best. I've been on many whole foods diets in

the last 25 years.

 

I noticed that broccoli is not recommended for a Vata type (which I am

- probably too much of) but it's a beneficial food for blood type O

non secretor like me. Can anyone tell me why?

 

I'm 57, male, 6' tall and 150 pounds naked. I'd look better at 170 but

I don't think eating more is the answer. I have poor muscle tone and

thinning hair.

 

Thank you for any replies.

 

Joe

[Guest guest]

hi Joseph

 

one thing you might ask yourself is why should your entire diet be

based on nothing more than the presence of 2 or 3 antigens on the

surface of a red blood cell

 

these are very discrete physiological traits that only come into play

when considering blood transfusions - why this should come into play

with regard to diet there is no real scientific evidence to support

 

really, its like basing diet on some discrete, _isolated_

physiological trait, such as eye color, hair color, or a particular

configuration of freckles - ultimately, the ER4YT diet is

pseudoscience at its worst

 

according to wikipedia:

 

" A total of 29 human blood group systems are now recognized by the

International Society of Blood Transfusion (ISBT).[2] A complete

blood type would describe a full set of 29 substances on the surface

of RBCs, and an individual's blood type is one of the many possible

combinations of blood group antigens. Across the 29 blood groups,

over 600 different blood group antigens have been found,[5] but many

of these are very rare or are mainly found in certain ethnic groups "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type

 

so, out of a possible pool of 600 antigens, can we really say that

only TWO are important??

 

ayurveda looks at the whole person, and bases its recommendations on

qualitative distinctions, i.e. heavy/light, hot/cold, moist/dry etc

etc, which in turn influence the basic structure and function of the

body

 

there is no shastra that says broccoli cannot be eaten by vata

prakritis!

 

the rule of thumb for eating leafy greens and flowers generally, and

for vata in particular, is to eat them light cooked (steamed, stir-

fried), with a little fat and some warming spices such as ginger to

ensure good digestion

 

this is because such foods are cooling in nature, and vata already

being cold, needs to have this quality modified to balance it

however, by no means are such foods contraindicated, despite what you

have heard or read!

 

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

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Which is the most powerful therapy? I've been back on ER4YT for a few

months, and recently began reading about Ayurveda. It's kind of hard

to decide which diet is best. I've been on many whole foods diets in

the last 25 years.

 

I noticed that broccoli is not recommended for a Vata type (which I am

- probably too much of) but it's a beneficial food for blood type O

non secretor like me. Can anyone tell me why?

[Guest guest]

Hi

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

This certainly is worth a try. I'm starting to understand what I

should eat right now. I'll cut back on broccoli because I was eating

it at least once daily, sometimes more, plus lots of other greens.

 

The main thing that's been bothering me about my current state of

health is emaciation. I'm 6' tall and just lost 10-15 pounds and am

down to about 150 now. I don't like being this thin. I just don't like

to look like I was just released from a concentration camp or

something. I'm hoping it's because I'm too Vata and that I'll put on

10-20 pounds in the weeks ahead.

 

A few years ago I was drinking cayenne tea, home made, and it made me

get too much heat, which took a year or more to get rid of. Even

though I may be too Vata now and I need warm foods, I don't think I'd

ever drink cayenne tea again. I used to feel like I was roasting in

the sunshine.

 

I can probably combine Ayurveda and ER4YT by just not eating milk,

cheese, and possibly oatmeal. I just ate oatmeal with 2 eggs in it,

and warm milk, with ghee and sea salt. it tasted great because it's

been a long time since I've eaten that. I can remember when I ate

oatmeal with milk that I weighed 10 to 25 pounds more than I do now,

and I can definitely see that the oats may help balance my body.

 

If I can clearly see improvements with this way of eating I'll be glad

to adhere to it. About how long does it take to see improvement?

 

I am definitely going to stick at least with the principals of eating

warm foods, not big meals, and sweet, sour, and salty foods.

 

Do you know of a real reliable online dosha test? I got a good book by

Vasant Lad and according to that I am very Vata but I've seen online

tests that say I'm Vata/Pitta, and one said I am Pitta. But, it's the

emaciation symptom (and also rather poor endurance and dry skin) that

I feel is predominant and the one I wish to reverse more than anything

else, and hopefully in doing so, other parts of my health will improve.

 

Joe

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one thing you might ask yourself is why should your entire diet be

based on nothing more than the presence of 2 or 3 antigens on the

surface of a red blood cell

[Guest guest]

I've always been told not to mix milk with salt.

 

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and Organic Gardener

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 238-6451

 

 

 

 

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I just ate oatmeal with 2 eggs in it,

and warm milk, with ghee and sea salt.

[Guest guest]

That's the first time I've heard that before. With so many ways of

eating I've done in 25 years, it's hard to keep track of it all.

 

I think I ought to be able to combine ER4YT with Ayurveda (if I didn't

say so already) just by not eating avoid foods. I don't believe I HAVE

to eat dairy products (other than ghee and butter). One thing they

both agree on is that ghee is very beneficial. Hopefully I can

decrease Vata enough by cutting back on broccoli and other greens and

avoiding cold and/or raw foods. Up until recently I had a habit of

eating frozen fruit made into an ice cream like snack, whizzed in a

blender with water, like a sorbet. I'd been told before not to eat

cold foods, but Ayurveda has finally shown me why this is not good.

 

I'm not sure what kind of science ER4YT is but it clearly has

benefited my body and lots of other people I met on dadamo.com, so I

have nothing bad to say about Dr D'Adamo or his books. I don't enjoy

seeing people put down ER4YT when in most cases they never devoted to

it long enough to truly see if it helped them or not. I didn't come

here to debate ER4YT. I'm wondering if Ayurveda could help me more

than ER4YT already has. I might modify my diet but I'm not going to

throw away the baby with the bathwater. I can probably improve on

ER4YT but I wouldn't abandon some of the improvements I've made on it

- like quitting dairy foods (drinking that milk and eating the oats

was probably a mistake).

 

There are many ways of eating. Many conditions will benefit from these

various diets, and they can be combined to suit certain people for

better results.

 

Dairy foods seem very incompatible with my blood type O (non secretor)

body. After drinking warm milk this morning I had a taste in my mouth

like rubber. I don't need scientific literature to tell me this is not

a good food choice for me. Cheese is even worse, including raw milk

cheese and goat cheese.

 

Oats is also an avoid food for blood type O. I can most likely eat

rice or quinoa instead and do fine, from a Vata point of view.

 

I think I may have just eaten too much broccoli, raw mango, raw

banana, greens, and other Vata increasing foods. It's probably about

time I learned about this in order to balance my dosha.

 

I even cooked an organic banana this morning - sauteed it in Coconut oil.

 

Joe

 

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I've always been told not to mix milk with salt.

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " Joseph " <joe525us wrote:

> I don't believe I HAVE

> to eat dairy products (other than ghee and butter). One thing they

> both agree on is that ghee is very beneficial. Hopefully I can

> decrease Vata enough by cutting back on broccoli and other greens

and

> avoiding cold and/or raw foods.

 

Despite all the ancient knowledge in old texts, the one written in

this list, best guidance that you can get about the suitable or

unsuitable food is from your body itself. Listen to it. the feedback

of the body simply tells whether some food was unacceptable to it.

Simple tests are discussed here:

 

ayurveda/message/3055

 

ayurveda/message/4511

 

These tests are applicable anywhere in universe.

 

>I didn't come

> here to debate ER4YT. I'm wondering if Ayurveda could help me more

> than ER4YT already has. I might modify my diet but I'm not going to

> throw away the baby with the bathwater. I can probably improve on

> ER4YT but I wouldn't abandon some of the improvements I've made on

it

> - like quitting dairy foods (drinking that milk and eating the oats

> was probably a mistake).

 

Ayurveda or ER4YT are general guidelines applicable to a larger population

group. They are not rigid set of rules.

 

The unsuitability of certain foods is basically because of processing

and and way the foods are obtained. Ayurveda believes that local food

is best for local population, as long as correct choice is made by an

individual to suit his constitution.

 

 

> After drinking warm milk this morning I had a taste in my mouth

> like rubber. I don't need scientific literature to tell me this is

not

> a good food choice for me. Cheese is even worse, including raw milk

> cheese and goat cheese.

 

If " Pleasant " taste was to be accepted as a criterion, all of us would be

consuming sugar unlimited. Body keeps giving us cravings till the nutritional

deficiency is satisfied. Body would like to get all vitamins, minerals, carbs,

proteins, essential fatty acids and sugars too!

 

Carry out the tests suggested and then decide the suitability.

Using the tests, it was found that some incompatible foods became

useful medicines for some people! For a limited period of course.

 

Dr Bhate

[Guest guest]

Joe, also looking into the Hauser diet.

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That's the first time I've heard that before. With so many ways of

eating I've done in 25 years, it's hard to keep track of it all.

[Guest guest]

I know. I wish there was a magic recipe. I did look into the link someone

sent on CY and that sounds like what I may be experiencing.

 

I saw in a meditation what I could do to get my energy back and I saw a

picture of wet flour being stirred, to avoid that. All products with yeast

are probably not good for me. I need to detox and then maybe I will be able

to eat fruit again. I am an extreme Pitta. I need a lot of protein/fats to

have energy and very little starchy carbs. I am trying to keep my carbs

under 2 a day.

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Joe, also looking into the Hauser diet.