Answer to Dr Bhate's question

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The message I was refering to was 12597. That man who calls himself

Vaidya Paul had challenged you about a Pranayama exercise for BP. He

had previously stated that he was a long time student of Pankaj Naram

and you answered his insulting post to you. This is the relevant

paragraphs that caught my attention, I was surprised to read that

since I have never heard any respected Vaidya like you refer to Naram

as a respected person, most I have talked to say the opposite.

 

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>>> If you than still feel like telling people with high blood pressure

to do this practise, go ahead it's your karma. To people suffering

from HBP go to an experienced yoga teacher and don't do just follow

any advise ( how well intended) given on the net.

 

These words are very disappointing coming from the student of a

reputed vaidya.

It is unfortunate karma of this author that he found that

there are several exceptions to general rules which can be broken with

dvantage to the patient, and each individual patient is a unique image

created by supremo. What suits someone (food, exercise, medicine,

panchkarma etc) can be easily found by every patient himself using

simple tests (pulse count) given by this author in archives. When this

guideline is followed, one has to listen to HIS body only, which

contains universe in miniature. >>>

 

This person who had insulted you is very representative of people I

meet in western countries who have studied a little of Ayurveda or

Yoga without really going into the subjects. They think they can

represent themselves in the world as superior to even experienced

practioners. Naram has encouraged many people to promote him and to

share profits by setting up the clinics where he sees patients when he

goes to America and Europe. He makes a lot of money in those clinics

selling medicines. He will accept anyone to do that kind of work of

promoting him regardless of their knowledge in Ayurveda. Yet most of

those people are not qualified to see patients although many do. Most

of the so called Naram students have no formal training in Ayurveda.

They only know the names of medicines and the general indications for

the medicines. They know nothing about disease pathology and etiology

or herbology, I have met some of those people and was shocked at their

lack of knowledge in medicine. Naram himself does not know anything

about Ayurveda beyond giving medicines on the same level that someone

setting in a chemist shop would. If there is gas or pain give Vata

reducing medicines, if there is infection, acid, or heat give Pitta

reducing medicines, if there is water accumulation or heaviness give

diuretics. I met some of these people when I attended a pulse

diagnosis seminar given by Naram. Many of them prescribe the Naram

medicines and give massage therapy without ever studying and they call

it Ayurveda. They are just business people looking for an easy way to

make money. In USA many of these people are really commiting crimes

since what they are doing is not legal. Many of them do not have any

kind of training or license to practice any kind of medicine or

massage. Naram himself commits crimes when he comes here to the USA

since he has no authority to practice medicine in the USA or to see

patients or prescribe medicines. Someone tells me he makes most of his

money coming here and going to Europe. The costs for the medicines is

much higher here than in India. He comes here frequently.

 

Regards;

 

Liz

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LOL - Dr Bhate gives respect to all beings - and he says " reputed " with

absolutely no judgement or indication of what that " reputation " might be

 

Jane

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " Liz A Hall " <lizahallny

wrote:

> I was surprised to read that

> since I have never heard any respected Vaidya like you refer to Naram

> as a respected person, most I have talked to say the opposite.

 

>

> These words are very disappointing coming from the student of a

> reputed vaidya.

 

Dear Liz

 

The words respected and reputed are often found together for someone,

but their meaning is different. In this case you have taken the

word " reputed " to also mean " respected " . Reputation (without respect)

can be achieved by various means mentioned in your full post, the part

of which is reproduced here.

 

Respect can be achieved only when people who came in contact spread

good opinion about someone. If this is true, then you should not use

the term " respected " for this author too, unless you came in contact

with few who pass good opinion about this author after beeing with him

personally for a length of time.

 

The term Vaidya for Pankaj Naram was used since he claims to be trained

in traditional way.

 

Hope this clears the confusion.

 

Regards.

[Guest guest]

> The term Vaidya for Pankaj Naram was used since he claims to be trained

> in traditional way.

>

 

Thanks for your reply. The point I would make is that the context in

which you used the word reputed implied to me that you were giving

respect, which I have heard from people who know a lot about the

Pankaj Naram situation, is the opposite of the opinion most respected

Vaidyas have about him. I know English is often used in a different

way in India than in USA.

 

Many people have stated that Pankaj Naram has no training in Ayurveda

in traditional manner or any other system. He has a photo of a monk

that he claims was his Guru but the person in the photo is a well

known monk that was seen for years in the public places of Kathmandu

asking for alms. Seeing that photo was the first real alarm that went

up in my mind about P. Naram since I had seen that fellow many times

back in the 70s when I studied Tibetan Buddhism in Nepal. The further

confirmation of this fraud was the fact that Dr. C.K. Patil who had

investigated the Naram case said that P. Naram's father told him that

P. Naram had never studied Ayurveda from anyone and knows almost

nothing about true Ayurveda that is taught in the scriptures, P.

Naram's father confirmed that P. Naram never stayed in Nepal except to

go there on holiday and could not have studied under anyone there. His

father also said that the diploma he has from an Ayurvedic collage in

Gujarat is totally false since he never attended one day of classes at

that college. When I met him I asked several basic questions in

Ayurveda and he was unable to answer them at all. This has been the

experience of many people. Anyone interested in testing this could do

so by going to one of his seminars on pulse diagnosis and asking him

technical questions about Ayurvedic practice. He simply does not know

about Ayurveda, I saw it with my own eyes. Dr Patil said that once

when Naram was giving a talk to young Vaidyas in Gujarat he was

challenged by knowledgable people about his talk on pulse diagnosis,

P. Naram was not able to answer the questions and he suddenly left the

place, he was laughed at.

 

I think the P. Naram case is interesting. Such phenomenon are

happening all over the world. I have always been fascinated by this

kind of thing since I first entered medicine. I will write another

post about this later today.

 

Liz Hall