Hypertension new DX

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm 42 year old RN I was diagnosed with Hypertension about 8 months ago. I

would

really like to get off the meds I'm currently on 12.5-25 mg HCTZ. I've been

working to

loose weight with a diet which is mostly non starch vegetables limited quanties

of meat

and fruit. My meat is mostly fish usually Herring, Mackeral, Salmon and Haddock.

Next

common is chicken and occasionally pork or beef. I eat only the lean meat no

visible fat. I

do not add salt, and use a wide variety of spices. I drink green tea and water.

I stringently

avoid sugar and do not use sweetners. I have tried eating both vegan and

vegetarian but

have gained weight rapidly and had other problems such as bloating, gas even to

the point

of vomiting. I've never eaten refined grains if only by preference for taste. I

also don't like

prepared or canned foods for the most part. I do take suppliments Calcium,

Magnesium,

vit D, fish oil, and MVI

 

My weight has been a 15 year struggle and only recently have I made any

progress. I

appear to have weight gain and bloating with most grains, legumes and dairy. The

only

dairy that seems to agree with me is yogurt. When I cut these things out, the

weight has

been dropping steadily about 2-5 lbs a week. I started at 320 lbs and after 5

month am

now 249. My height is 5 ft 11 I have a large boned frame and my ideal athletic

weight

when I was in my 20's was between 160 and 175.

 

I do about 45 minutes and am working towards an hour of alternating yoga and

hiking.

The yoga style is the flow style and I make sure that the workout is as

strenuous as I can

tolerate without causing strains. My husband is experienced and taught me the

postures.

We currently have about a foot of snow making it a real workout to walk through

it without

skiing or snowshoes.

 

I have been following this regimine faithfully.

 

In spite of these measures my hypertension remains unchanged.I continue to be

140/100

without the meds. I did a trial a couple times because I was worried with the

weight loss

that I would bottom out. No such luck

 

I continue to take the medication. I am very frustrated at the lack of

response. My renal

and liver functions are within normal range. Fasting blood sugar was 70 and

never over

110. Blood counts were normal. If I don't take the med I do notice 1+ dependent

edema

lower extremities after about 48 hours. Thyroid was tested a few years ago but

has always

been okay. cholesterol and tri's are good too I dont remember the exact numbers.

 

There is no reason that I can find why this isn't improving. Any ideas?

[Guest guest]

Look in google for Ayushakti. It's the website of my teacher Dr. Pankaj Naram.

He's in the U.S.A at the moment. Maybe you can go a visit him. I know him for

the last 17 years and I'm sure He can cure you. I myself don't like to prescribe

Ayurvedic products for something like Hypertension without seeing the patient,

so if you have the possiblity go and see Pankaj Naram.

 

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Hi I'm 42 year old RN I was diagnosed with Hypertension about 8 months ago.

[Guest guest]

Celery juice - and then perhaps for the weight, mixed with carrot and

beetroot juices, will bring the BP to within normal limits but you do need

to be able to monitor it if you are going to use this method as it could

drop rapidly so you need to be careful.

 

Best,

 

Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane,

How does celery juice help lower BP?

Ironic it seems as celery has a lot of sodium.

 

Mathew

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Celery juice - and then perhaps for the weight, mixed with carrot and

beetroot juices, will bring the BP to within normal limits

[Guest guest]

> How does celery juice help lower BP?

> Ironic it seems as celery has a lot of sodium.

 

Science mindset can stumble across several such exceptions of

ayurveda. e.g self or cow urine has a lot of sodium and still it

lowers b.p. This happens as b.p. is not a disease but symptom. if you

remove root cause, b.p. will normalize easily. Simple head massage for

people of specific pulse will bring down b.p. by 10 mm Hg in just 10

minutes.

 

Many herbs change their character when taken after soaking, boiling

for long time. Thus database look up will not tell all story.

 

And while mercury is to be avoided in all forms from a western view,

ayurveda made good use of mercury by killing it with sulphur, the

topic has been well discussed earlier in archives!

[Guest guest]

Yes it is ironic - but it works fast and very well - can't tell you right

now why it works but salt works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform!

Homeopathic salt works for interesting things too

 

Probably google might have that info somewhere .... there are hands on

things too that work well - holding head and neck .........

 

Best,

 

Jane

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How does celery juice help lower BP?

Ironic it seems as celery has a lot of sodium.

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , spiritmagejkt <no_reply wrote:

>

> Hi I'm 42 year old RN I was diagnosed with Hypertension about 8

months ago. I would

> really like to get off the meds I'm currently on 12.5-25 mg HCTZ.

 

You seem to be doing everything right.

 

Except one exercise.

 

Just check up if you have too much of fat around belly button.

 

If so, certain breathing techniques will work wonders and you may cut

down some yoga and strenuous calories burning exercise.

 

Though liver and kidney functions are normal, slight changes in

certain hormones generated by kidney can cause hypertension, which

does not get tamed by any allopathic medicines. Edema in lower

extremeties is the side effect of many anti-hypertensives, which is

compensated by adding some diuretics too.

 

Explore Pranayama (Anuloma-Viloma), Kapalbhatti etc.

 

Have you tried juices (e.g. bottle gourd)?

 

These are some random suggestions only. meeting an experienced vaidya

can pinpoint cause of your problem, when allopathy becomes dead end.

[Guest guest]

kapalbhatti is contra-indicated in high blood pressure!!

 

Ujjayi pranayam, seetkari, sheetali, bhramari and simple nadi shodan are the

ones that are indicated for high blood pressure

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If so, certain breathing techniques will work wonders and you may cut

down some yoga and strenuous calories burning exercise.

[Guest guest]

I can work with random suggestions until I am established and working here. I

just moved

to Canada and working through the immigration process to get working.

 

The problem isn't emergent and is well controlled with the meds. I just don't

want to be

on meds. I will see a practitioner when I have the means to do so. But it would

be better

for me if a referral was in Nova Scotia.

 

I will work on the techniques mentioned. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Boy if I used my brain now and then I'd be downright dangerous.

 

Fat around the belly button is much less than it used to be. However, I tend to

have more

around my hips and thighs than anywhere else. About 4 inches more by

measurement. I

loose weight from top to bottom. My weight as of yesterday is a 15 year low.

[Guest guest]

nova scotia is full of herbalists.

i am sure you will have no trouble finding some one there if not in ayurveda

at least a western herbalist

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I can work with random suggestions until I am established and working

here.

[Guest guest]

Maybe because it has lot of vitamins and minerals in it,particulary

potasium ,magnesium,folate.

 

How does celery juice help lower BP?

Ironic it seems as celery has a lot of sodium.

[Guest guest]

you still have some way to go - keep it up

when you get close to your ideal weight the hypertension should reduce

 

the problem didn't occur in a 5 months and so won't resolve in such a

short time

but it sounds like you are on track

 

for me, hypertension is a measure of peripheral vascular congestion,

secondary to endothelial inflammation

as the body heals the vascular system, the inflammation will reduce

and hypertension will decline

 

yoga, qi qong, tai chi, meditation etc are all excellent

 

you might try mild antihypertensives such lime-blossom and

motherwort, and herbs like cleavers and dandelion for the edema

equal parts tea, 2-3 cups daily

 

consider liver support and an antioxidant regimen: amalaki, turmeric,

and guggul, are all useful

Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG)

Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist

web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com

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> I'm 42 year old RN I was diagnosed with Hypertension about 8

> months ago.........

[Guest guest]

celery juice doesn't have just salt but an abundance of other

minerals as well

it also has fibers and antioxidant/heat-clearing phytochemicals that

benefit elimination

it is also diuretic

 

the admonition re: salt in hypertension refers to purified sodium

chloride, not naturally occurring salty foods, which usually contain

an abundance of other chemicals that offset the direct effects of NaCl

Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG)

Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist

web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com

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> How does celery juice help lower BP?

> Ironic it seems as celery has a lot of sodium.

[Guest guest]

It may be interesting to rknow that Kapal Bhatti done in a gradually

increasing fashion and supervision has helped people when moderate

hypertension, especially when truncal obesity was present.

That is the reason the author suggested exploring anuloma-viloma,

kapalbhatti etc assuming truncal obesity.

 

Though many are afraid of recommending kapalbhatti for hypertension,

author obtained very encouraging result with it for patients suffering

from oxygen insufficiency!

 

 

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kapalbhatti is contra-indicated in high blood pressure!!

[Guest guest]

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This might also explain why it helps lower BP:

Celery's potential for reducing high blood pressure has long been

recognized by Chinese medicine practitioners, and Western science

researchers may have recently identified one reason why.

 

Celery contains active compounds called pthalides, which can help

relax the muscles around arteries and allow those vessels to dilate.

With more space inside the arteries, the blood can flow at a lower

pressure. Pthalides also reduce stress hormones, one of whose

effects is to cause blood vessels to constrict. When researchers

injected 3-n-butyl phthalide derived from celery into laboratory

animals, the animals' blood pressure dropped 12 to 14 percent. Of

course, injection of a celery extract into laboratory animals is

very far from food consumption by humans, and the researchers

participating in this as yet unpublished study cautioned against

overindulging in celery until clinical trials could be conducted

with food and humans. But the potential helpfulness of this already

nourishing food in lowering blood pressure seems likely, and it

doesn't hurt that celery ranks as a very good source of potassium

and a good source of calcium and magnesium, because increased intake

of these minerals has also been associated with reduced blood

pressure.

 

Celery has a reputation among some persons as being a high-sodium

vegetable, and blood pressure reduction is usually associated with

low-sodium foods. So how do the benefits of phthalides compare with

the risks of sodium in celery? There are approximately 100

milligrams of sodium in a full cup of chopped celery—that's about 2

stalk's worth. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration's Daily Value

for sodium intake is 2,400 milligrams, the equivalent of about 24

cups, or 48 stalks of celery. Since two stalks of celery only

provide about 4% of the sodium DV, most individuals would be able to

include 2 or even more stalks of celery in a day's diet while

keeping their total sodium intake below the DV by sticking with

other low-sodium foods. The exact amount of celery needed to achieve

the blood pressure lowering effects found in animals cannot be

determined until clinical trials are conducted on humans using the

food itself.

 

 

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Yes it is ironic - but it works fast and very well - can't tell

you right

now why it works but salt works in mysterious ways its wonders to

perform!

[Guest guest]

It is true that Kapalabhatti will help for high blood pressure. Especially

where truncal obesity is a problem

need not do to much at first, two sets of sixty round is fine to start.

Diet, walking and yoga will also help.

I am assuming that the blood pressure is not too elevated.

One should know the blood pressure and then procede accordingly and must be

taught by a good teacher and make sure the technique is good before prodceding.

People can loose several inches off of their abdomen by performing kapala

bhatti and I have been teaching it to people with elevated blood pressure and

then have seen a five number reduction in their readings so that from 150/80

they are at 145/75 not too bad I would say/.

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It may be interesting to rknow that Kapal Bhatti done in a gradually

increasing fashion and supervision has helped people when moderate

hypertension, especially when truncal obesity was present.

[Guest guest]

>

> you still have some way to go - keep it up

> when you get close to your ideal weight the hypertension should reduce

>

> the problem didn't occur in a 5 months and so won't resolve in such a

> short time

> but it sounds like you are on track

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed still I'm disappointed that a 50 lb reduction

made no

improvement and a little puzzled seeing as how the blood pressure problem kinda

popped

up suddenly even though I've been overweight most of my life.

 

>

> for me, hypertension is a measure of peripheral vascular congestion,

> secondary to endothelial inflammation

> as the body heals the vascular system, the inflammation will reduce

> and hypertension will decline

 

Interesting, wonder what is producing the inflamation..... overstressed maybe..

too many

double shifts? Dietary? Allergies?

 

>

> yoga, qi qong, tai chi, meditation etc are all excellent

>

> you might try mild antihypertensives such lime-blossom and

> motherwort, and herbs like cleavers and dandelion for the edema

> equal parts tea, 2-3 cups daily

 

Any suggestions for herbal suppliers. I live in Nova Scotia, I'm a recent

immigrant and so I

don't know where to look for stuff like that up here. Cleavers, Dandalion and

tumeric are

the only things I'm familiar with.

[Guest guest]

Just look what classical text say about kapal bhati. Or, just type " kapal bhati

high blood pressure " in Google and see what is said. If you than still feel like

telling people with high blood pressure to do this practise, go ahead it's your

karma. To people suffering from HBP go to an experienced yoga teacher and don't

do just follow any advise ( how well intended) given on the net.

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It may be interesting to rknow that Kapal Bhatti

done in a gradually

increasing fashion and supervision has helped people when moderate

hypertension, especially when truncal obesity was present.

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

> It may be interesting to rknow that Kapal Bhatti done in a gradually

> increasing fashion and supervision has helped people when moderate

> hypertension, especially when truncal obesity was present.

 

Here is a Youtube link where Swami Ramdev demonstrates kapalbhati -

there are several videos there on kapalbhati. If the link does not

work just do a search at Youtube on kapalbhati. Dr VK

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LH20zjTlE & feature=related

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , Vaidya Paul <vaidya.paul

wrote:

>

> Just look what classical text say about kapal bhati.

 

Which ones please? When hypertension did not exist as a disease in

Ayurveda at the time when Samhitas were written or Patanajali wrote

Yogsutra, author feels there may be some more classical texts which he

missed. So kindly indicate the texts which need to be studied.

 

 

> Or, just type " kapal bhati high blood pressure " in Google and see

what is said.

 

Net is a source filled up with opposing views, just as like our

discussion here. Following interesting views are thrown up by google

search:

 

Done very slowly and in breaks in case of high blood pressure &

respiratory blockages.

Blow out slowly from mouth incase of pregnancy & menstruation with no

jerks to the abdomen.

http://www.yogsadhna.com/pranayam1.asp

 

And here is something contradicting your view on Ujjayi

http://www.diabetesmellitus-information.com/diabetes_yoga_exercise.htm

 

 

heart and high BP patients, and weak people do it slowly.

http://daily.stanford.edu/comments/2007/1/18/lettersToTheEditor

 

It is also helpful for problems like allergies and high blood pressure

www.scribd.com/doc/239574/A-Complete-Handbook-of-Nature-Cures

 

Since anyone can create a website and write his view, the ultimate

truth is self experience, which this author quoted. Similar experience

is already available today from Mandakini also.

 

 

 

 

>

> If you than still feel like telling people with high blood pressure

to do this practise, go ahead it's your karma. To people suffering

from HBP go to an experienced yoga teacher and don't do just follow

any advise ( how well intended) given on the net.

 

These words are very disappointing coming from the student of a reputed vaidya.

It is unfortunate karma of this author that he found that

there are several exceptions to general rules which can be broken with

advantage to the patient, and each individual patient is a unique image

created by supremo. What suits someone (food, exercise, medicine,

panchkarma etc) can be easily found by every patient himself using

simple tests (pulse count) given by this author in archives. When this

guideline is followed, one has to listen to HIS body only, which

contains universe in miniature.

 

 

 

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> It may be interesting to rknow that

Kapal Bhatti done in a gradually

> increasing fashion and supervision has helped people when moderate

> hypertension, especially when truncal obesity was present.

>

[Guest guest]

I entirely agree with Dr. Shirish Bhateji. Kapal Bhati

can be done slowly but surely by heart patients.

Pregnant ladies are not supposed to do Kapal Bhati as

per Baba Ramdev also. I am a heart patient having had

an attack in 1982. I have started doing Kapal Bhati in

2004 and am benefiting by it. While walking, I don't

go out of breath as often as before. Many persons do

Kapal Bhati with force. That is wrong. Just breath in

normally and exhale quickly. While following this

method by synchronizing with yogic exercises, I have

found it good for health.

Patients attitude is very important. Everyone is

breathing. Without breathing, we can't exist. So

breath normally and exhale quickly. That should suit

most patients unless otherise told by your consulting

Vaidya. Of course, pregnant women can do Anulom Vilom

by just inhaling a little deeply and automatically

exhaling fully before inhaling again. I have found

that very beneficial. Both these pranayams if done

daily for say for half an hour each every morning and

evening on an empty stomach, it is helpful in

controlling and even curing many dreaded diseases.

Many persons have vouchsafed it publicly at most Yog

Science Camps of Baba Ramdev who has also included

some such instances in his book titled " Yog in synergy

with medical science " priced cheaply at Rs. 300 and is

available at all Patanjali Chikitsalayas in various

cities and towns in India.

 

These are also my personal views by actually

practicing these pranayams since 2004 till date as I

have very little knowledge of scriptures on Yoga and

Ayurveda.

 

I do hope, these views might be of some help to some

patients who might be rather confused or might be

desperate not getting anywhere else.

 

S. M. Acharya <smacharya,

Nature Cure & Spinal Rehab Centre,

Pune 411013 (India), Ph: +91-20-26870204.

 

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Just look what classical text say about kapal

bhati.

[Guest guest]

> I'm keeping my fingers crossed still I'm disappointed that a 50 lb

> reduction made no

> improvement and a little puzzled seeing as how the blood pressure

> problem kinda popped

> up suddenly even though I've been overweight most of my life.

 

 

the way medicine looks at hypertension is bizarre - in most cases

hypertension is defined as being idiopathic, and is somehow supposed

to contribute to the progression of atherosclerosis, but nobody

really knows how

 

one thing we do know is that hypertension increases with

atherosclerosis, and from this, the assumption is made that it

worsens the progression of atherosclerosis

 

but when you looked at it from a mechanical perspective, what causes

the increased pressure? what causes increased pressure when you put

your thumb over the end of a hose? the narrowed opening... as

such, the increase in blood pressure is secondary to inflammation of

the arteries, ie. atherosclerosis

 

since hypertension is viewed as a disease, to sensibly attribute the

increase in pressure to arteries narrowed by atherosclerosis would

throw all the medical assumptions on their head - suddenly, doctors

would have to admit that simply reducing blood pressure has no

significant effect on the overall progression of vascular disease,

which has been the status quo for more than 50 years

 

basically, what you are likely dealing with is a progressive

atherosclerosis which has now achieved a level that it is beginning

to affected blood flow and vascular resistance - continue with your

goals, reverse the atherosclerotic process, and the pressure will

normalize

 

the fact that you have been overweight most of your life doesn't tell

us much - atherosclerosis is a slowly progressive condition that

usually begins to manifest clinically by the 4-5th decade, even

though the changes likely begin to occur in the 2nd decade, and

nowadays, even in childhood (what with the epidemic of childhood

obesity)

 

however, it IS reversible, provided you follow the correct plan

 

 

 

>

> >

> > for me, hypertension is a measure of peripheral vascular congestion,

> > secondary to endothelial inflammation

> > as the body heals the vascular system, the inflammation will reduce

> > and hypertension will decline

>

> Interesting, wonder what is producing the inflamation.....

> overstressed maybe.. too many

> double shifts? Dietary? Allergies?

 

the mechanisms of atherosclerosis relate to the effects high blood

sugar, insulin, depleted antioxidant status, an increase in blood

viscosity, circulation, specific nutrient deficiencies and a few

other factors that are really related to the above, like C-reactive

protein, homocysteine etc

 

> Any suggestions for herbal suppliers. I live in Nova Scotia, I'm a

> recent immigrant and so I

> don't know where to look for stuff like that up here. Cleavers,

> Dandalion and tumeric are

> the only things I'm familiar with.

 

see: http://herbalns.org

 

best...

Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG)

Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist

203 - 1750 East 10th Ave

Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA

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email: todd

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