Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hi Thierry, This is very difficult to comment on without knowing more or seeing the patient. Similar skin conditions are found in the IBDs, and HS purpura sometimes arises in concert with these as well, although HS pupura is self-limiting and the prognosis is good. The typical symptom picture of the disease is the rash as well as abdominal pain, bloody stools, and joint pain. The condition is an IgA-mediated type III hypersensitivity response, and so the focus should be on resolving the dysfunctional hypersensitivity response, modulating the immune response and the underlying triggers. Intestinal permeability is a common thread in most hypersensitivity responses, and restoring proper digestion/gut function (i.e. agni) is key (see: http:// www.toddcaldecott.com/leaky_gut.html). Topically, cooling antiinflammatory herbs like Oatmeal baths may be helpful (see: message # 10283). Diet should be warm and easy to digest, including lots of steamed vegetables and properly prepared soupy grains/legumes prepared with digestive-enhancing herbs. I hesitate to recommend anything more online with knowing more. Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com _______________________ the son of a friend, aged 23, is suffering from HS purpura that started six months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Hi I have read your article with great interest. I appreciate the way you connect ayurvedic principles to modern biomedicine researches. So the purpura could be related to an excessive intestinal permeability, or a digestive inflammation. Well it is true that during the worst bout of the disease, he suffered from digestive pain so hard to bear it was impossible for him to eat or drink anything. When he was a child he suffered from GERD, and he is very selective in the things he eat; to be honest his diet is a catastrophic fast-food only one. But the most evident trigger of the disease seems to have been the sore-throat, or angina, that let suppose the disease started from an infection in the breathing system. In TCM, there is a link between breathing problems and immune system diseases, and this link is manifested through the " Metal " agent associated to the lung and colon. Is there any evidence of such a link between immune, intestinal and pulmonary problems in ayurveda ? You kindly gave a treatment to ease the itching with the oatmeal bath, but is there any efficient treatment to ease abdominal and joint pain ? He is under cortisone but this is causing overweight, and right now the main risk consists in possible severe kidney troubles. many thanks again for your help best regards Thierry ____________________ Intestinal permeability is a common thread in most hypersensitivity responses, and restoring proper digestion/gut function (i.e. agni) is key (see: http:// www.toddcaldecott.com/leaky_gut.html). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2008 Report Share Posted February 1, 2008 Hi Thierry, Diet here would be an obvious place to start. I would suggest a regimen of fresh vegetable juices in the morning, such as carrot, celery, beet, apple, ginger and cilantro. This can be followed with steamed vegetables, well-cooked soupy grain dishes such as barley or rice, with mung or similar, prepared with vegetable or chicken stock, using digestive enhancing herbs such as ginger, hing, cumin, coriander, black mustard, turmeric; or European flavors such as oregano, basil, thyme, dill etc. Natural sea salt is also a good additive. These should be the only foods for a week or so, and as digestion improves, other more complex foods can gradually be added, although in AI-mediated disorders I recommend a paleolithic-style diet (http://www.toddcaldecott.com/paleolithic_forms.html), with no flour, sugar or dairy (butter/ghee is OK). It is difficult to responsibly suggest a line of therapy without seeing the patient. Herbs that restore liver function such as barberry and turmeric will correct the directional flow of the GI system and promote detoxification, and aromatic herbs such as caraway, dill, ajwain, and ginger can help to ease colic and griping. I also like to use wild yam as a GI antispasmodic, particularly in liver/gb pain. Relatively high doses of digestive enzymes such as bromelain (3-5 g) are often very useful to restore digestion and alleviate joint pain. Kidneys also need attention as they drain the joints of toxins, and to help with the acute joint pain there are many safe herbal teas that help remove wastes from the joints such as dandelion leaf , cleavers, nettle and horsetail. The Ayurvedic formula kaisarsa guggulu is also used in acute joint problems, combined with yogaraja guggulu for pain. If these aren't available, Western herbal alternatives for pain include black cohosh, devil's claw, willow and Jamaican dogwood. As far as the trigger, yes, viral infections can often be seen to precipitate a crisis, but are definitely more virulent when the underlying health is poor. As is the case with this fellow, the URI was last straw in a chronic situation. The link between the lungs and bowel is very clear, as both are hollow, air-filled organs. While both relate to vata or wind: vata specifically relates to the colon and kapha controls the lungs. It is vata's job to direct the energetic flow downwards and outwards (as feces, flatus), and when it becomes aggravated it accumulates in the abdomen, creating gas, disrupting GI flow, and creating an upward-moving force (e.g. GERD). In contrast, kapha is the impetus for the generation of the IgA-rich immunodefensive mucus that lubricates the body. In leaky gut the mucus membranes are fragile and damaged, and so is the flow of this mucus. When the diaphragm is properly stimulated through correct breathing, the flow of kapha and the restoration of the mucus system is enhanced, promoting membrane healing. Thus attention to proper breathing and additional practices such as pranayama can help restore and rejuvenate the mucus system, and correct dysfunctional vata. See: http://www.toddcaldecott.com/breathing.html Hope this is helpful. Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com ______ > You kindly gave a treatment to ease the itching with the oatmeal > bath, but is there any efficient treatment to ease abdominal and > joint pain ? He is under cortisone but this is causing overweight, > and right now the main risk consists in possible severe kidney > troubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi On behalf of this young man and his mother, I have to thank you for all these useful recommendations. I know that nothing could replace direct consultation but as I live in France I cannot easily advise them to go and consult you. :-) If you don't mind I would like to discuss more in details about the link between the lungs and the bowels. The lungs are not considered as hollow (Yang) in the traditional chinese medicine, in spite of being air-filled as you underlined, but they are classified as solid (Yin). The Yin organs are more emphasized having a closer affinity to the five substances than their Yang counterpart organs do. Hence, the lungs are more closely related to the life-force Qi (associated to the Metal element) than the large intestine. The Qi substance being quite similar to Prana, I think we can compare this theory to the one that in Ayurveda links these two organs to the absorption of prana: the lungs perform immediate absorption of Prana from ingested air, while the large intestine performs delayed absorption by extracting prana from ingested food. The relation between Prana and lungs is more evident, and I think we can conclude that the lungs are more closely related to Prana, as the chinese did ... I try my best to integrate the two traditions but I often feel that something is missing, probably modern biomedical findings that would confirm the traditional ones. So I find your researches in this domain very interesting (for instance the role of kapha in the generation of the IgA immunodefensive mucus). Where could I find information about this modern/traditional links ? In your article about the " 3 Ns " , you recommend these techniques to restore a balanced state in the breathing and nervous systems, and so in the gross body. Pranayama relates as well, and mainly, to the subtle body. In astrology, a static analysis based on rashi lords can be termed " gross " . This analysis leads to promises that can only be activated at certain times, via " subtle " channels corresponding to the nakshtra lords. That is the reason why we talk about nadi jyotish, in relation with the nadis as described in ayurveda and yoga. Best regards Thierry ___________________________- As is the case with this fellow, the URI was last straw in a chronic situation. The link between the lungs and bowel is very clear, as both are hollow, air-filled organs. While both relate to vata or wind: vata specifically relates to the colon and kapha controls the lungs... In contrast, kapha is the impetus for the generation of the IgA-rich immunodefensive mucus that lubricates the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Hi Thierry, You are quite right about lungs being " solid " in I guess I didn't really reference TCM concepts at all in answering your question. However, if you consider the san jiao (triple burner) model, the lungs are formed as the vapor from the middle burner, as the refined qi. Certainly the lungs have an " effervescent " quality, and for practical purposes as well, are certainly hollow and air- filled. The quality that balances this is mucus, which lends structure and stability to the lungs. The concept of the lungs being " solid " or " hollow " is derived from their association with yin and yang, and so identifying them as solid or hollow per se is more an English interpretation of the original Chinese concepts. Really, what is meant is that as a yin organ, the lungs create, store and preserve the vital essence - not that they are actually solid. Of course the problem here lies in trying to reconcile concepts that aren't inherently reconcilable. In the zhang-fu theory of TCM, the organs don't actually match up all that well with the actual viscera. In contrast, Ayurveda has a very lucid model of the body, probably because there wasn't the taboo against surgery or observing dead and decaying bodies (which is an ascetic practice in India, and was no doubt a source of much experimental knowledge). In terms of Ayurveda and physiology, the colon is primarily an organ of elimination, not digestion. Only a few nutrients are absorbed in the gut, and these arise as the result of bacterial fermentation, not because there is any agni in the colon. The seat of digestion in Ayurveda is the amashaya, which corresponds with the organs within the pitta sthana, i.e. the lower fundus of the stomach, small intestine, and the organs that secrete into the small intestine, i.e. liver/gall bladder and pancreas. In the san jiao model, which actually corresponds very well with the concept of tridosha sthana, the colon is the that which collects the waste that spills over from cooking for elimination - the " drainage ditch " . As for the links between Ayurveda and medical physiology, as yogi Nithyananda mentioned, they are only tenuous, temporal links. The principles of Ayurveda do not change, but the concept of physiology does. I only try to interpret Ayurvedic concepts to reach out to Western-minded thinkers for whom comparatively simple concepts like tridosha are hard to grasp. Sometimes these links just make themselves known, from study and practice. But a knowledge of either doesn't necessarily inform the other - both must be studied separately and I am always cautious of trying to tie them together too closely. best.... Todd Caldecott www.toddcaldecott.com ________ > If you don't mind I would like to discuss more in details about the link between the lungs and the bowels. The lungs are not considered as hollow (Yang) in the traditional chinese medicine,............. could I find information about this modern/traditional links ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Henoch-Schonlein Purpura can be categorised under 'Raktapitta', to be more specific 'Tiryak Raktapitta'. All pungent and spicy food ingredients like mustard, tulsi (basil), garlic, chillies should be avoided according to Ayurvedic references, in such disorders. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayurvedic Medicine (Mumbai-India) ___________ Diet here would be an obvious place to start. I would suggest a regimen of fresh vegetable juices in the morning, such as carrot, celery, beet, apple, ginger and cilantro. This can be followed with steamed vegetables, well-cooked soupy grain dishes such as barley or rice, with mung or similar, prepared with vegetable or chicken stock, using digestive enhancing herbs such as ginger, hing, cumin, coriander, black mustard, turmeric; or European flavors such as oregano, basil, thyme, dill etc. Natural sea salt is also a good additive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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