Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 You rock Thierry. Great explanation. Actually Hippocrates stated to his students at his time that all doctors must be well versed in astrology to properly diagnose a patient. He said it is ill advisable to diagnose anyone properly without the aid of astrology. More importantly to elaborate it is the planet rahu that during its mahadasha where doctors commit great error in their diagnosis, due to rahu causing problems for both the patient and doctor to come up with proper diagnosis. No wonder Hippocrates illustrated this point. I during the beginning of rahu mahadasha (age 22 roughly) also had problems with being diagnosed properly. The doctor was having no clue as what to suggest for me in the case of diagnosis. He was bewildered to say the least. Later my astrological study (age 24 onwards) confirmed this exact situation laying the truth of what Hippocrates stated. Furthermore it proved the greatness of vedic astrology and the wisdom it carries in all facets of life including medical astrology. We are lucky to have Dr. Upadhye illustrating the wonderful tenets of medical astrology. As we know we are still in the age of pisces and one day the age of aquarius will settle in and great spiritual advances will be made that will highlight I believe these very discussions and bring them into the forefront as everything is truly cyclical as the Vedas as well as the greeks have mentioned. To elaborate on the understanding of the ages I implore you all to check out the following youtube videos and they will reinforce these ideas more appropriately and effectively. the links are here: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqAuEu9YU7U> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oMM5xcoR9k> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svuqa_Xgeds> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tmVZ6QU46M> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17CpDXPtFmc> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ew7qxwqdCE> Raja Gursahani rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 hi Raja, it is true that Rahu is sometimes associated with difficult to diagnose illnesses, but you should not conclude too quickly that the Rahu period was the cause of the improper diagnosis made by doctors. For a very simple reason. There are in Indian astrology at least thirty systems of dashas, or directions (that is to say -for the people who are not familiar with this term- a way to make the planets at birth progress in a symbolic direction representing the life unfoldment). So at a given time, you can be under a period ruled by Rahu in the vimshottari system, and let's say by Venus in ashtottari system and Mars in the yogini one, etc... Frankly, timing an event is a really very difficult matter, and not as straightforward as some astrologers may pretend. The signification of Rahu's position at your birth should be first ascertained before being timed. I am a bit embarrassed to talk about astrology here, as it is an ayurveda forum, and I do not want the members to think my approach subscribing to ayurveda is to preach for astrology, as it is definitely not the case. I just want to learn about the ayurvedic approach. Best regards Thierry _____________________________ More importantly to elaborate it is the planet rahu that during its mahadasha where doctors commit great error in their diagnosis, due to rahu causing problems for both the patient and doctor to come up with proper diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 > I am a bit embarrassed to talk about astrology here, as it is an > ayurveda forum, and I do not want the members to think my approach > subscribing to ayurveda is to preach for astrology, as it is > definitely not the case. I just want to learn about the ayurvedic > approach. > No need for embarrassment - we have broached far more embarrassing issues than this on ayurveda_online ;-) Anyway, even though I am not sure we agree, I appreciate your reasoned and cautious approach to the subject of astrology. best wishes... Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 dear group members, it is absolutely true that in rahu mahadasha that it is very possible that a doctor will not be able to make a proper diagnosis. my doctor said he doesn't know what to diagnose me with. he said that he can't figure it out. like i said before the doctor was confused. i was confused as well. after reading deeply into vedic astrology and finding references to rahu mahadasha several times the conclusion is the following: it is common during rahu mahadasha to have wrong diagnosis because the doctor will not be able to determine truthfully what is causing the problem. of course now his ego will come up with a rationalization but that doesn't mean its the proper diagnosis. what that means as a doctor of course he will have to come up with a diagnosis because his reputation is at stake but truthfully put the rahu period can cause havoc with both him and the patient. so for whatever input thierry has put forward he is not be entirely candid. as a matter of fact this is from personal experience and furthermore i don't need someone to educate me on the 30 different dasha systems when i already know about the 30 different dasha systems. furthermore vimshottari dasha system is considered the most practical system to use when in kali yuga and there is no doubt in my mind with what is happening in our society as well as world that this is not true. so succintly and properly exposed there are members here who are distorting the truth and once again the truth will prevail trust me. namaskar, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Dear Raja, *** as a matter of fact this is from personal experience and furthermore i don't need someone to educate me on the 30 different dasha systems when i already know about the 30 different dasha systems. My intention was not at all to educate you on the dashas systems (I know you are well-versed in Jyotisha), but we are discussing on a forum so I try to detail as much as possible all the things I am talking about, in order to make the things clear for the other members. If I hurt you in any way then it is my duty to apologize. Maybe you will confirm but I suspect Rahu in your birth chart is related to a significator of health, either lagna or 6th house and their lords, and so it may indicate such a confusion when the doctors wanted to diagnose. For the matter of timing, I have seen so many well-known and reputed astrologers failing in their predictions, that I can assure it is not straightforward. Best regards Thierry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 ayurveda , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > as well > as world that this is not true. so succintly and properly exposed there are > members here who are distorting the truth and once again the truth will > prevail trust me. [http://health.ayurveda/message/12435] Amen! We have a term 'He is a bazaar pundit' meaning he goes into the bazaar and reads the covers of books and instantly becomes an authority on the subject and roams about pontificating on subjects he has very little knowledge of. Stating something in pompous tone does not lend authority indeed it raises automatic suspicion in the minds of those who really understand the issues. Such people do not even realize how redicuulous they look in the eyes of others. I guess in modern terminology we will have to develop the term 'search engine pundit' meaning he searches in the Internet and reads a few abstract ideas and instantly becomes and expert in everything. This is something many people find themselves falling into - I guess it is a reflection of their fear of not being recognized - a desperate bid for attention. Such individuals have no effect other than to be a source of embarresment for others - they can only seem authoratative to the naive. So " Raja Gursahani " no need to worry - the timeless truths have withstood lakhs of such 'Pundits'. Best not to contend with them it is simply bringing you down to their level. All the best - Dr Vinod Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 dear dr kumar, i am not claiming to be an authority in ayurveda but i am claiming to be an authority as a vedic astrologer. so please i was trying to bridge what i do know with what i don't know as well which is the timeless authority of ayurveda. i was only being contentious because i have seen how rahu manifests in life and have looked into rahu with many of my clients and have seen similarities, medically, spiritually, and mentally. dr. bhate has confirmed this and so has dr. upadhye. i have not heard you confirm this about rahu but you are more than welcome to share your views as this is an open forum of discussion on principles related to ayurveda. second of all i don't need any attention sir. this happens to be the first time i prominently saw your name on this forum so i guess you must be attracting my attention. i have occasionally written on this forum usually in a very receptive manner asking for information with regards to ayurveda and illnesses. yes i am a scholar of ayurveda meaning that i have been researching ayurveda for quite sometime but i don't carry a bams therefore i am not an authority. with vedic astrology i consider myself an authority because there is no proper formal declaration of achievement for this study. but it is very well known that a bams is the degree of ayurveda and must be respected. any further study after the bams only adds reinforcement to that prestige. __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 ayurveda , " Raja Gursahani " <rajagursahani wrote: > > dear dr kumar, > > i am not claiming to be an authority in ayurveda but i am claiming to d an > authority as a vedic astrologer. Dear Gursahini - I was not making any observation about you and apologise if you felt that I was. Humble students always get my respect - continue on with your studies - I wish you all the best in your quest to understand the truth. Only one suggestion - trust but verify - let your own experience be your guide - never accept anything on face value if it does not fit with your own clear and honest evalustion. The struggle to know the truth is a process and one may go through many twists and turns. Example - when we study the works of great souls it will be impossible to really understand the full import of their teachings until we come to their level. Astrology is a mine field simply because it is a profound study and has been interpreted in various ways throughout history, like all great studies it will lead you toward the truth but not necessarily easily. You will also have the difficulty of dealing with the critics of astrology. The observation I was making was about those nay sayers on astrology who really know very little about what they are talking about. Most of the critics of Astrology have no idea what Astrology really is and what it refers to - yet they freely and easily dismiss Astrology - these are the 'Pundits' I was writing about - experts in the validity of a subject they have not gone deeply into. All the best in your studies. Dr Vinod Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 > The observation I was making was about those nay sayers on astrology > who really know very little about what they are talking about. Most of > the critics of Astrology have no idea what Astrology really is and > what it refers to - yet they freely and easily dismiss Astrology - > these are the 'Pundits' I was writing about - experts in the validity > of a subject they have not gone deeply into. All the best in your studies. It is curious that such derision is generated (consistently i might add), without any point or argument. We also have names for such people. In defense or critique of any point, a simple appeal to authority does not constitute a rational, logical argument. This author has demonstrated his unwillingness to communicate in a straight-forward manner, and instead prefers to make veiled attacks that often cross into the libelous. And this has been going on now for more than two years! Despite what is said about my postings on astrology, there nonetheless remains an indigenous movement in India to address the problem of astrology, and how it can be reconciled with the Vedas. Not every devout Hindu believes in predictive astrology. This has nothing to do with Western influences, beyond accessing astronomical data, but rather with the problem of how non-Indian (i.e. Graeco-Islamic) elements have permeated " vedic " practices and have significantly changed them. In actuality, those who question predictive astrology have an authentic scriptural and historical basis for doing so. For non-Indians interested in accessing and learning indigenous Indian knowledge, who themselves may come from a culture infected with superstition and erroneous beliefs, how does it make sense to abandon their own superstitions in favor of another's? There is too much rush to judgment about those that would think carefully about acquiring such 'karma' when looking for truth. This has been evidenced to me in other matters, for example, as when the present author irrevocably ties vegetarianism with Ayurveda, and would have people of non-Indian kala-desha-patra follow unwholesome adaptations, if only to serve a specific set of religious beliefs, rather than the interest of health and Ayurvedic principles. Caldecott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 the point is i am trying to bridge the two sciences that is all. in my research the parallels between the two are so powerful that to find the missing links would be extraordinary. it does seem that the two were used together in synchronization and the fact that vaidya bhate brings forth little tidbits of information only makes me conclude that the two sciences are important to each other. i can always refrain from vedic astrology of course because this is primarily ayurvedic discussion if need be. its just it would make sense to bring some light to the subject mattter that is all. no offense taken as i may have misunderstood your posting then. namaskar, Raja Gursahani rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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