Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Namaste I was once told by a european student of Ayurveda that there is a special class of calamus root which comes from a certain valley area in India, which is regarded as the best. I am looking for the best calamus, and preferably it should be a fresh root and not dried etc. Any help/input from the members here would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you, ~ Ole Alstrup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Hi Ole The hexaploid (6n) Acorus calamus found in Kashmir valley, as well as the triploid (3n) European genetic species has the lowest levels of the potentially hepatotoxic beta-asarone (~5-10%). However, the North American diploid (2n) species has no beta-asarone at all, and is a better choice where this is a concern, such as pre-existing liver conditions. Other genetic species in India contain as much as 75% beta-asarone in the essential oil, and are probably best avoided. best... Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com _________________________ I was once told by a european student of Ayurveda that there is a special class of calamus root which comes from a certain valley area in India, which is regarded as the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Thanks very much for this info. Does the hexaploid variety contain active components which are not found in the other species or more of certain active components? Are there any references mentioned in the classical texts about the species found in the Kashmir valley as the best? About beta-asarone, does this substance have any positive effects? Thanks, Ole ___________ The hexaploid (6n) Acorus calamus found in Kashmir valley, as well as the triploid (3n) European genetic species has the lowest levels of the potentially hepatotoxic beta-asarone (~5-10%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Thanks very much for this info. In the strict ayurvedic definition of Vacha, which variety is said to have the most spiritual power, do you know? The Kashmir hexaploid variety, is it only found in this area? Does it contain active components which are not found in the other species or more of certain active components? Are there any references mentioned in the classical texts about the species found in the Kashmir valley as the best? Finally, about beta-asarone, does this substance have any positive effects as well? Thanks, Ole _______________ The hexaploid (6n) Acorus calamus found in Kashmir valley, as well as the triploid (3n) European genetic species has the lowest levels of the potentially hepatotoxic beta-asarone (~5-10%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Hi Ole, The determination of the different genetic species isn't something Ayurvedic physicians could have distinguished. Rather, assessment is based on organoleptic qualities, using taste, odor, morphology etc. Good quality Calamus will have its characteristic sweet odor, and will have an aromatic, pungent and bitter taste. If you took all the Calamus from all the regions of India, you could probably grade the samples according to organoleptic criteria. It is likely that the hexaploid species is found outside the Kashmir Valley in India, but this is where it has been reported to grow. Probably there is a natural variation in other plant constituents, apart from the already reported variations in the essential oil, but these have not been studied to my knowledge. Beta asarone is hepatotoxic, and like thujone, has psychotropic properties as it is the precursor to 2,4,5-trimethoxyamphetamine, which is chemically related to mescaline. However, the purported psychotropic properties would require a very high dose of the herb, which would not only be a potentially toxic dose, but also impossible to consume, given the inherent emetic properties of Calamus. Interestingly, the First Nations peoples of North America used Calamus as a sacred herb for spiritual journeying, so it appears that the plant has additional psychotropic effects that are unrelated to its beta asarone content. Today, some people use Calamus to help with addictions to tobacco or cannabis, but it shouldn't not be smoked because the herb is be too irritating (tikshna) to be inhaled into the delicate structures of the lung. Given that Calamus is found in temperate regions almost all over the world, and was used locally by traditional peoples in many of the same ways, I cannot think that the beta asarone contributes anything unique to the plant. As a general rule, I would recommend everyone to use the Calamus with the lowest percent beta-asarone, or the (wild) NA species, Acorus americanus, as it doesn't contain any. Interestingly, it is only the wild diploid species that can spread both vegetatively and by seed. All tetraploid/hexaploid Asian species can only reproduce vegetatively. This biological fact may say something about the overall qualities of the plant, in the sense that it has lost its original potency. Many herbalists will prefer wild species over cultivated species because they retain their original virya, or potency. Who knows, perhaps there is a market selling American calamus to Ayurvedic physicians in India ;-) Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com __________________ In the strict ayurvedic definition of Vacha, which variety is said to have the most spiritual power, do you know? The Kashmir hexaploid variety, is it only found in this area? Does it contain active components which are not found in the other species or more of certain active components? Are there any references mentioned in the classical texts about the species found in the Kashmir valley as the best? Finally, about beta-asarone, does this substance have any positive effects as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 You may ask Ayurvedacharya Balkrishanji of Divya Yoga trust. He is an authority. His book on " Jadi Booti " covers all known herbs but it is in Hindi language. Still some Hindiknowing person might help you. S. M. Acharya smacharya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hi Thanks very much for these additional details. Do you have any comparative firsthand experience with the effects of the different species mentioned? I am strictly interested in the highest potency as defined by the ayurvedic texts, especially the spritual qualities. Thanks, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Sir, What is the contact info for this person? But since I dont know hindi, so this is not practical. I guess I could find more specific info in the Indian Materia Medica. I have now made some enquiries to my ayurvedic export contacts in Thrissur, Kerala. Thanks, Ole ______________________________ You may ask Ayurvedacharya Balkrishanji of Divya Yoga trust. He is an authority. His book on " Jadi Booti " covers all known herbs but it is in Hindi language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I just read that the Materia Medicas like Bhavaprakasa and Raja Nighantu etc mention another variety of vacha, sveta vacha or hemavati which Dravyaguna vijnana identities as Iris germanica. It is reported that there is another variety of vacha (Acorus gramineus, Soland) found growing abundantly in the Himalayas. The shweta vacha mentioned in the ancient textbooks might perhaps be this plant. If anyone has further info on these aspects, please come forward and share. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Since nobody would be harvesting any crops from the Kashmir valley now, and other genetic species, as you tell us, would have high amounts of hepato-toxic beta-asarone, do you think its recommended to import Vacha root for our domestic consumption from US and Europe ? Regards, Puneet ________________________ The hexaploid (6n) Acorus calamus found in Kashmir valley, as well as the triploid (3n) European genetic species has the lowest levels of the potentially hepatotoxic beta-asarone (~5-10%). However, the North American diploid (2n) species has no beta-asarone at all, and is a better choice where this is a concern, such as pre-existing liver conditions. Other genetic species in India contain as much as 75% beta-asarone in the essential oil, and are probably best avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Hi Ole I am not sure how reliable these texts are, at least as far as the botany. Anyway, in my experience a name can refer to several different plants, based on some similar aspect, e.g. Brahmi is both Centella and Bacopa, Ashwagandha is both Withania and Convovulus arbensis, and Shankhapushpi ca be up to eight different species including Evolvulus, Clitoria, Canscora, Convovulus etc. etc. The key thing is to see if in fact how similar these plants are, organoleptically and empirically. As far as Vacha goes, a synonym is 'ugragandha', referring to its 'strongly aromatic' properties. I haven't used Iris germanica, but have used Iris versicolor (Blue Flag), and it neither has the same medicinal properties as Acorus, nor has anything close to the same aroma. It is also not a little toxic, used as a strong alterative and stimulant to the liver and bowels. Acorus gramineus is a smaller fertile diploid species found extensively from the Himalayas to Japan. It is used in Chinese medicine, (as Shi Chang Pu) to dispel phlegm and open the channels, strengthen digestion and dispel bloating, and relieve pain. For my preference, the odour of A. gramineus isn't nearly as pleasant as A. calamus. Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist 203 - 1750 East 10th Ave Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com email: todd tel: (1)778.896.8894 fax: (1)866.703.2792 ________________- I just read that the Materia Medicas like Bhavaprakasa and Raja Nighantu etc mention another variety of vacha, sveta vacha or hemavati which Dravyaguna vijnana identities as Iris germanica. It is reported that there is another variety of vacha (Acorus gramineus, Soland) found growing abundantly in the Himalayas. The shweta vacha mentioned in the ancient textbooks might perhaps be this plant. If anyone has further info on these aspects, please come forward and share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I have consumed various Calamus sp at various doses and unfortunately I am still a schmuck. Go for the zero/low asarone content with a pleasant, uplifting odour. best wishes... Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist 203 - 1750 East 10th Ave Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com email: todd tel: (1)778.896.8894 fax: (1)866.703.2792 _________________ Do you have any comparative firsthand experience with the effects of the different species mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Thanks Todd. About Brahmi, I read several places that Charaka distinquish Centella as Mandukaparni and Bacopa as Brahmi. Where to obtain the most potent wildcrafted whole root american calamus? Any sources in Canada? Thanks, Ole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 > Since nobody would be harvesting any crops from the Kashmir valley > now, and other genetic species, as you tell us, would have high > amounts of hepato-toxic beta-asarone, do you think its recommended to > import Vacha root for our domestic consumption from US and Europe ? dear Puneet, Perhaps you might do some research to determine which genetic species from which regions in India have a low asarone content. I am sure there are other places outside of Kashmir where they are found, perhaps in Chhatisgarh. I have read that there are wild diploid species of A. calamus in Siberia as well, with some thought that these may be one and the same as the NA species. As for importation from NA, there simply isn't enough to supply all the Vacha-users in India, and its comparatively expensive ($25-30/lb). Even here, its not all that common to find wild-crafted A. americanus. all the best from snowy Vancouver, Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 > About Brahmi, I read several places that Charaka > distinquish Centella as Mandukaparni and Bacopa as Brahmi. hi Ole yes, that's how we can distinguish them, through their other synonyms Mandukparni means " frog-leaved " , probably referring the obicular reniform leaves that sort of look like frog > Where to obtain the most potent wildcrafted whole root american > calamus? Any sources in Canada? try http://www.lonewolfherbdir.com/siteimages/lonewolf_order_form.pdf you can also try Herbalist and Alchemist http://www.herbalist-alchemist.com Michael Moore has a nice list of herbal resources here: http:// www.swsbm.com/Resources/ResList.html There are several good companies listed - try to find one specializing in wildcrafted products. Calamus has a problematic legal status in the US and Canada, due to the carcinogenic asarone content, so it's availability is not widely advertised among herbalists for fear of getting into hot water. However, many herbalists wildcraft it themselves, for use in their own practice. Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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