Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 I'm not familiar with those particular supplementals, but there are several other things that may work to relieve the symptoms, but relieving the symptoms, is like cutting the wire to your " check engine " light of your car, instead of adding oil (or whatever); in other words, you need to fix the root of the problem, reinforce normal health, and then rely on herbs as supplements, not necessities to live! Check the diet, evaluate what medications the mother could've been on while pregnant, what environment does he live in (lots of chemicals, lead paint, eyc.); you get the picture! If you can't find out about either one of the one's requested (I've heard of Angelica, and maybe vetiver, but...) then consider some of the others; research the company's and the included ingredients in Kidalin by Herbs Etc., and A.D.D. Pediactive (I believe) by Nature's Plus, or some of the Bach flower remedies, perhaps. There are plenty of things that might alleviate, and help rebuild, but correcting the underlying problem is all that will cure! In Health, Steve ----------------------------- Dose anybody know about or heard of White Angelica (Peace and Calming) cream or oil, and Vetiver oil I think. If anybody dose or know were I could look for this stuff I'd will be so thankful. This is for my grandson whom dose have ADHD. I'll never give up on trying to help him. ADHD is very real. There isn't any doc's that will help around here. My grandson is on Healthy Options and no doctors are taking any new patients that know anything about ADHD. So as of right now I'm on my own. I'll take all the help I can get. Read From U Later Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 In a message dated 09/02/2001 12:14:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time, geema52 writes: Vetiver oil If you are talking about the essential oil I can put you in contact with a reliable and reasonably priced supplier if you contact me privately. I know nothing about its use in ADHD but it is possible my supplier might be able to give you some suggestions. You want to be aware of buying EO's from multi level marketing companies as they tend to be much more expensive, of a lesser quality and the sales people are not well trained. They will often suggest a CURE for something - which is a big NO NO! Mindy Kittay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 You said the magic word " corporal punishment " ! Not that everyone of them needs there buttocks' compacted, but some are not getting any discipline at home OR at school! Schools will turn the parents in, and vice versa, and standing in the corner went out with the " god-fearing " butt whippings; and on the other hand, some parents (the minority I'm sure) are TOO over protective/strict figuring that will work, but only bringing about rebellion! What's needed is the old " quality family time " with a little " tough Love " /discipline as necessary, and sufficient nutritious meals, and 95% (probably conservatively) of these " problems " would go away....and yes, it is in both, though I'm not sure what percentage is male, or female! In Health , Steve ----------------------------- Hi Mindy, I have a nephew who is in drastic need of ADHD help. Can you tell me where to locate this oil? What does it do? I don't think I've ever heard of so many children with these problems. We didn't have this when I was a girl. Oh, there would be some boys who would disrupt the class but they either settled down or got corporal punishment. I don't remember any girls who had problems. Is this a male problem or d oes it affect equally? Thanks, Jean Baugh *********************** Vetiver oil *********************** If you are talking about the essential oil I can put you in contact with a reliable and reasonably priced supplier if you contact me privately. I kno w nothing about its use in ADHD but it is possible my supplier might be able to give you some suggestions. You want to be aware of buying EO's from multi level marketing companies as they tend to be much more expensive, of a less er quality and the sales people are not well trained. They will often suggest a CURE for something - which is a big NO NO! Mindy Kittay *** [This message has been truncated.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Thanks! Every so often I get " deep " in a good way! lol, Steve ----------------------------- Dear Steve, I think this says it all............. " What's needed is the old " quality family time " with a little " tough Love " /discipline as necessary, and sufficient nutritious meals, and 95% (probably conservatively) of these " problems " would go away.... " ..........................................Love Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Dose anybody know about or heard of White Angelica (Peace and Calming) cream or oil, and Vetiver oil I think. If anybody dose or know were I could look for this stuff I'd will be so thankful. This is for my grandson whom dose have ADHD. I'll never give up on trying to help him. ADHD is very real. There isn't any doc's that will help around here. My grandson is on Healthy Options and no doctors are taking any new patients that know anything about ADHD. So as of right now I'm on my own. I'll take all the help I can get. Read From U Later Trish - <herbal remedies > <herbal remedies > Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:36 AM [herbal remedies] Digest Number 1076 > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > ------ > > There are 10 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re:Re: Broken jaw > " Steve " <bigbird3969 > 2. Re:Re: Broken jaw > " Steve " <bigbird3969 > 3. Re: Broken jaw > seifert925 > 4. Re: Bone, Flesh, and Cartiladge tincture > " SPARERIBAZ " <spareribaz > 5. Re: Re:Re: Re:chelation > " Denise O'Connor " <RNMSW > 6. Re: Broken jaw > Michael Riversong <rivedu > 7. Re: ADHD Herbal Remedies > Michael Riversong <rivedu > 8. Re: sinus infection > Michael Riversong <rivedu > 9. Re: ADHD Herbal Remedies > Peela <peelasacha > 10. RE: ADHD Herbal Remedies > " Tom Murray " <tom > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:36:19 EDT > " Steve " <bigbird3969 > Re:Re: Broken jaw > > Lemon egg may help, but the calcium in hydroxyapatite form is the same crystaline structure found in bone matrix; magnesium (to absorb and retain calcium), vitamin K, glucosamine sulfate, boron, silica/horsetail, high dose vitamin C, turmeric or mullein or bromelain for swelling, and avoid calcium leechers (sodas, coffee, etc.). > > In Health, > Steve > ----------------------------- > Comfrey was known in the olde times as " knit bone " . You can make a salve or a compress of it and apply several times a day to jaw. > > Suzanne Nottmeier wrote: > > > > > > > OK gang....my daughter in law got thrown from a horse and broke the > > back part of her jaw... They can't wire it because of where it is... > > She is on liquids for 6 weeks... also chipped a tooth but that will > > have to wait too. till the jaw heals. I've given her clove oil for > > the pain. > > > > My question is what can I get for her that will speed the healing of > > the bone? I know it's been discussed somewhere but can't find it.... > > Thanks. > > > > Suzi > > > > > > ----- > > > > Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with > > Messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 The herb discussed a few days ago was Gymnema Sylvestre; maybe that could be a place to start. Steve ----------------------------- Hi, OK, let me try again. Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs that will help a child with huge mood swings and diagnosed ADHD? Is ADHD possibly a blood sugar problem? If so, besides cutting out sugar, is there any herb that will control the blood sugar problem? We were discussing ADHD and what would help a child with this problem. If there is anything available in herbs, the mother is willing to try them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with his father and nothing when he stays with his mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? Thank you, Jean Baugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 That herb could get his blood sugar under control, if that is an issue; other herbs can help the hyperactivity! Steve ----------------------------- Hi, OK, let me try again. Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs that will help a child with huge mood swings and diagnosed ADHD? Is ADHD possibly a blood sugar problem? If so, besides cutting out sugar, is there any herb that will control the blood sugar problem? We were discussing ADHD and what would help a child with this problem. If there is anything available in herbs, the mother is willing to try them. This child is on ritalin when he stays with his father and nothing when he stays with his mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the ritalin, the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his medication? He seems to have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive people. He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? Thank you, Jean Baugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 Dear Jean, I am sorry that I can't answer your questions about ADHD, I know nothing about it, its causes or its treatment. But, I can direct you to a good supplier of EO's and she MAY be able to answer some of your questions. almasol and her name is Barbara. She carries a wide selection of reasonably priced high quality Essential oils including vetiver. The only suggestion I can make is that if it were my child, and I could scrape up the money, I would take him to a naturopathic Dr. before I would medicate him. Hope I have been of some help, Mindy Kittay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 In a message dated 09/02/2001 6:56:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, oldglory writes: He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? I'm absolutely positive the answer to this questions is YES, YES, YES. (Cutting down on sugar in children's diets HELPS with all sorts of problems). Mindy Kittay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 i have two grandsons who would be diagnosed ADHD. Please all of you who are concerned about it check out the " indigo children " . read as much about them as possible. these are very intelligent and spiritual children with a very definite purposes. ADHD is a pharmaceutical concocted disease. RE: ritalin. FYI. the govt. will not take people into the armed forces if they've taken these drugs after the age of 12. if it is so safe then why? please, be open to what you read. here is another site to check out. www.spiritofmaat.com rhoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 My granddaughter's doctor suggested cutting out the sugar and all caffine and any other food additives, especially red food dye. I know it's hard to prepare food from scratch instead of using foods with additives, but they are as detrimental to an ADHD person as sugar is. Jennie oldglory wrote: > Hi, > > OK, let me try again. Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs that > will help a child with huge mood swings and diagnosed ADHD? > > Is ADHD possibly a blood sugar problem? If so, besides cutting out sugar, > is there any herb that will control the blood sugar problem? > > We were discussing ADHD and what would help a child with this problem. > If there is anything available in herbs, the mother is willing to try them. > This child is on ritalin when he stays with his father and nothing when he > stays with his mother. In school, if the child doesn't take the ritalin, > the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his medication? He seems to > have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar problems in sensitive people. > He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 I think it's more of the preservative chemicals, colors, and refined products. Steve ----------------------------- Hi Steve, I think this is more than just attention deficit. He has mood swings and you can see his face darken when it hits him. When it hits, it like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. The child is just plain mean and 30 minutes later, he is as sweet as only a child can be. This goes on over and over again, through the day. Age 9 and very bright. I will suggest the gymnema sylvestre to the mother, as something to try, that won't hurt anything. If it helps him, then it surely will be plain it is a blood sugar problem. If not, she could check out possible allergies to foods. I find it odd how so many children are diagnosed as having ADHD. I would be interested in any information on studies on this problem. For instance, do children who have a vegetarian, or strictly wholesome diet, have this disorder? Thank you, Jean Baugh ******************* > That herb could get his blood sugar under control, if that is an issue; other herbs can help the hyperactivity! > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Can I suggest they look into various forms of depression instead of ADD/ADHD? I have to say, your description fits my husband! He had been mis-diagnosed as ADD for years! Turns out he is bi-polar and they have alot of similar symptoms, on the surface... For my husband he takes a good B-complex and also a good hebal blend which includes many vitamins as well as St John's Wort , valerian, and kava kava... Sindeasindeahttp://sindea5.homestead.com/home.html Driving Washington nuts since 1991... I think this is more than just attention deficit. He has mood swings andyou can see his face darken when it hits him. When it hits, it like Dr.Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. The child is just plain mean and 30 minutes later, heis as sweet as only a child can be. This goes on over and over again,through the day. Age 9 and very bright.I will suggest the gymnema sylvestre to the mother, as something to try,that won't hurt anything. If it helps him, then it surely will be plain itis a blood sugar problem.If not, she could check out possible allergies to foods.I find it odd how so many children are diagnosed as having ADHD. I would beinterested in any information on studies on this problem. For instance, dochildren who have a vegetarian, or strictly wholesome diet, have thisdisorder?Thank you,Jean Baugh*******************> That herb could get his blood sugar under control, if that is an issue;other herbs can help the hyperactivity!>> SteveFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 Definitely get the child off sugar. ANd I am not sure about gymnema, for the simple reason, theres no point giving a herb for blood sugar when the child is eating sugar! Its like taking heart medication when you eat a trash diet! Its treating a symptom big time. If you take the child off sugar- which some parents simply find too hard to do- you wont have blood sugar problems- and if you dont take the child off sugar, theres no point in giving gymnema. IMHO. The diet has to be good, and a good multi vitamin/ peparation for ADHD kids ( I am sure there must be some over there!). But what I have discovered is, when you want to help someone with issues like this,because you can see how much they need help, when you suggest a single herb or some such, when the issue is so deep and complicated, you are possible turning them against trying natural therapies- because it isnt going to make much difference! It has to be approached from many directions. And sometimes the best thing is to give information, or support for the mother emotionally without judging her for what she is doing to her child- because she needs lots of help and love too. To me, its the mother who needs 'saving '- she needs to find her own self worth, to have some hope things can be better than they are- then she will feel revitalised to deal with her child in a better way. I dont belive any mother really wants to be a bad parent- its always because they are in an unhappy state and cant see the way through to a better life yet. There are some general things with ADHD- get off sugar and preservatives/ artificial colours/ too much processed foods; check for allergies; be very consistant with boundaries and discipline, no matter what style you feel comfortable with,however strict, it has to be consistent; build the child's self esteem because most ADHD kids dont feel good about themselves; lots of positive attention; lots of unconditional love. There are probably other things I have forgotten. Without these foundational things, I dont think herbs can do much. However, as far as herbs go, what about chamomile tea? tinctures of scullcap, valerian for stress, to help relax? Gingko biloba for brain circulation? ginseng for helping build the strength and resilience? gentle liver herbs such as schizandra, chamomile? licorice for the adrenals? Theres so many really, and I would start with these, as appropriate. I would also always prescribe magnesium in some form. There is a lot of support out there for ADHD kids and their parents, including support groups. They may not al be natural, but if someone is floundering and has resorted to drugs, it could be the support they need. Anyway, hope something here helps love Peela --- oldglory <oldglory wrote: > Hi, > > OK, let me try again. Are there any herbs or > combinations of herbs that > will help a child with huge mood swings and > diagnosed ADHD? > > Is ADHD possibly a blood sugar problem? If so, > besides cutting out sugar, > is there any herb that will control the blood sugar > problem? > > We were discussing ADHD and what would help a child > with this problem. > If there is anything available in herbs, the mother > is willing to try them. > This child is on ritalin when he stays with his > father and nothing when he > stays with his mother. In school, if the child > doesn't take the ritalin, > the teacher will call to ask if he has taken his > medication? He seems to > have mood swings, reminiscent of blood sugar > problems in sensitive people. > He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting > out sugar help this ADHD? > > Thank you, > > Jean Baugh > > ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 I have to wonder what part of the country you're in. This must be a very messed up area if there are no good doctors available One of my long-time clients is an acupuncturist in Kansas. He once told me, " You show me a doctor with a closed practice and I'll show you a doctor with sick patients who never get better. " You may be more blessed than you know, not having access to some of these doctors. Instead of ADHD, check out Akathesia. It took quite a while for me to find the definition for this. It is a feeling inside, like wanting to crawl out of your own skin. Everything is an irritant to the patient. Sometimes this is a basis for a diagnosis of ADHD. It has all kinds of causes, but interestingly enough few of these causes date back very far. Some of these causes are drugs. Others are severe food allergies. All of these things need to be checked. If your area is totally without decent medical service, it may be worthwhile to travel somewhere else to have the boy examined. You can let me know privately and i can provide contact info for doctors in many parts of the USA. Surely others on this list can do that as well. Of course it is very rare for insurance to pay for the best doctors, particularly naturopaths. But then the situation is the same in many countries that have socialized medicine, so you're not alone there. A good doctor is worth more than whatever you pay. At 11:22 AM 9/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Dose anybody know about or heard of White Angelica (Peace and Calming) cream >or oil, and Vetiver oil I think. If anybody dose or know were I could look >for this stuff I'd will be so thankful. This is for my grandson whom dose >have ADHD. I'll never give up on trying to help him. ADHD is very real. >There isn't any doc's that will help around here. My grandson is on Healthy >Options and no doctors are taking any new patients that know anything about >ADHD. So as of right now I'm on my own. I'll take all the help I can get. >Read From U Later >Trish -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2001 Report Share Posted September 3, 2001 blue green algae helps as well. rhoda Aromaconnection <Aromaconnectionherbal remedies <herbal remedies >Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:13 PMRe: [herbal remedies] ADHDIn a message dated 09/02/2001 6:56:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, oldglory writes: He does eat a lot of candy. Would perhaps cutting out sugar help this ADHD? I'm absolutely positive the answer to this questions is YES, YES, YES. (Cutting down on sugar in children's diets HELPS with all sorts of problems). Mindy Kittay Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 Often it happens that when people are taken in by a con man, they don't want to believe that's what happened. Law enforcement people have sometimes seen a person defend the guy who ripped them off, at least for a while. ADHD is one of the largest con games in history. It's bigger than the Tulip Mania or the South Seas Bubble (please look those up). If you get to the point where you have seen the con for what it is, then you will also realize that herbal medicine doesn't fit into the picture one way or the other. Herbs can't alleviate a disease that never existed. Sorry that i'm popping a bubble here. But if you can get through this period of sorting things out, and discarding some cherished parts of your old way of thinking, you will emerge happier, and more able to help your son. And i want to say a word of praise for your son. It is difficult to recognize a drug addiciton while in the middle of it. Those who can do this are rare and beautiful people, and they will find healing if they will only persist in their search. I have overcome serious drug addiction. Therefore, your son is welcome to contact me privately if he wishes. Help from those who have recovered is often one of the key factors in one's own recovery. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:37:40 -0000 artconsul <artconsul wrote: > My son has ADHD (attention deficit disorder). > Now that he's in college > he wants to stop taking Ritalin because he's > says he's addicted to the > drug. What are the herbal or alternative > treatments for ADHD? > > Jan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 I was diagnosed as a youngster with ADD and my mom never even considered medication. She was a naturalist and believed that any and all ailments were curable the natural way(too bad I thought she looney growing up). She was a vegan and wouldn't touch meds(how all this changed 10 yrs ago is a separate story). My mouther pushed hard to get me help, so I had a counselor (not a Psych) that was really there for me when times got rough, and as luck had it she was a sprouteater. I went through the typical problems of ADD diagnosed children, problems in school(though I tested high), dropped out twice, hard time completing courses in college and found it impossible working in an office job. I just always managed to find my way around my problems, and avoid " messing up " . Then the school system suggested that my children had ADD, and I said bull****. I know that all of us show these so-called symptoms and *I* KNOW how it is to deal with these symptoms from myself and children. Countless nights of my mom, then later me holding our children tightly and rocking them, giving them messages etc. However, I also reflected on the foods I ate as a child, when I turned 8 my mom took me off a vegan diet because the local Dr said I was being malnutritioned, from then on allergies and asthma, weight problems AND my " ADD " showed up among other things. My children were raised on a HORRIBLE diet, now that I think about it, eventhough I thought I was feeding them healthy. Pasta was in almost every meal. And there weren't many 100% all natural juices and things in our grocery stores back then. Their diet, as varied as it seemed, was mainly whole milk, fruit juices, sugar and flour products, with fresh fruits and veggies being the smallest portions. Oh not to forget the non-organic meat. My children and I have all had constipation problems. As an adult I've realized what my mom was talking about, seen " the light " so to speak. What we eat is definitely the issue here. My own research and what ALL of I've learned here so far is proving that day by day. I agree Micheal, herbs will not " heal " or cure ADD because it's a label not an affliction. Herbs can help ease/alleviate symptoms, but that's it. I believe with the help of herbs to cleanse and detoxify our systems, many of these symptoms will cease or at least be minimal. The right diet is the key. Eating the foods are bodies are suppose to eat with no added junk will make a happier body. Relaxing the mind/spirit will ease stresses, tensions and negative emotions. All of us in my house have seen a big difference in ourselves by just the simple recent changes we've made. It can only continue to get better as we change more. Of course this is all my humble opinion based on personal experience and I make no statement of medical diagnosis or professional knowlege in this area. herbal remedies, " Michael Riversong " <rivedu@e...> wrote: > Often it happens that when people are taken in by a con man, they don't want > to believe that's what happened. Law enforcement people have sometimes seen a > person defend the guy who ripped them off, at least for a while. > > ADHD is one of the largest con games in history. It's bigger than the Tulip > Mania or the South Seas Bubble (please look those up). > > If you get to the point where you have seen the con for what it is, then you > will also realize that herbal medicine doesn't fit into the picture one way or > the other. Herbs can't alleviate a disease that never existed. > > Sorry that i'm popping a bubble here. But if you can get through this period > of sorting things out, and discarding some cherished parts of your old way of > thinking, you will emerge happier, and more able to help your son. > > And i want to say a word of praise for your son. It is difficult to recognize > a drug addiciton while in the middle of it. Those who can do this are rare > and beautiful people, and they will find healing if they will only persist in > their search. > > I have overcome serious drug addiction. Therefore, your son is welcome to > contact me privately if he wishes. Help from those who have recovered is > often one of the key factors in one's own recovery. > > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 21:37:40 -0000 artconsul <artconsul> wrote: > > > My son has ADHD (attention deficit disorder). > > Now that he's in college > > he wants to stop taking Ritalin because he's > > says he's addicted to the > > drug. What are the herbal or alternative > > treatments for ADHD? > > > > Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 I would just like to reinforce what others have mentioned before. It was never said that those with ADD or OCD do not have symptoms of a disorder. These are just new labels being placed on old conditions. There seems to be a more than obvious reason why. This is a convenient way for the $$$ minded prescription drug companies to gain more customers. All they need to do is create so called " new conditions " as a reason to market their new " sh^t " . You have to wonder if the latest " cure " (so to speak) was invented before the latest new disorder. It's pathetic to think how the American people are being manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 on 9/14/02 1:14 PM, Dr. Ian Shillington at Dr.IanShillington wrote: Doc, Don't you and Michael, and everyone else think, feel, whatever, that some people NEED their diseases??? I have a friend that almost glows each and everytime she gets diagnosed with something else - and she LOVES her Psychiatrist......PS - I too enjoyed reading the article and liked it. Sherry Gosh, I was willing to post my diploma (Naturopathic NOT Medical, and heaven forbid I have one in Psychiatry), but our friend below just up and left the list without another word. Please pay no attention to his post, especially you Michael, as I think this diatribe was aimed at you and your post, though if it was aimed at me, I've already forgotten about it. Love, Doc PS. Forgotten what? I don't know. I've forgotten. Please pass the Gingko ;o) Dr. Ian Shillington 505-772-5889 Dr.IanShillington - artconsul <artconsul herbal remedies Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:17 PM [herbal remedies] Re: ADHD As far as ADHD being a con I can attest to the fact that it isn't. I have ADD, so does my husband and my son. I know what it's like to suffer from this disease, and I've seen the difference in my son on and off the medication. I wish I had something to help me so I could hold a job. By the way, would you like to post you diplomas in Medicine, Psychiatry, and your state license for us to examine? Otherwise your opinion is just that, nothing more. Which doesn't mean anything since everyone has one whether they are qualified or not. I asked for alternative treatments not a load of bull from and uneducated idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2002 Report Share Posted September 15, 2002 The worst part I find, is that once they are manipulated, many won't accept claims to the contrary (witness the brief visit of artcounsel). I just spent two days fighting with many mothers of "special needs" children who are giving their children Ritalin. They spent two days attacking me after I advised them that Ritalin was a dangerous drug! Go figure. Your wonderful information, stories, anecdotes ,support and sanity is a welcome relief to such miseries. Thank you for being there! LOL Lisa - gar_fla_62 herbal remedies Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:14 AM [herbal remedies] Re: ADHD I would just like to reinforce what others have mentioned before. It was never said that those with ADD or OCD do not have symptoms of a disorder. These are just new labels being placed on old conditions. There seems to be a more than obvious reason why. This is a convenient way for the $$$ minded prescription drug companies to gain more customers. All they need to do is create so called "new conditions" as a reason to market their new "sh^t". You have to wonder if the latest "cure" (so to speak) was invented before the latest new disorder. It's pathetic to think how the American people are being manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2002 Report Share Posted September 16, 2002 Dear Sherry, Glad you enjoyed the article. As far as people needing their diseases is concerned. I won't deny that all of us create them whether on an aberrated unknowing level or because of a lifestyle that was chosen by the individual. I don't think "need" is the right word, and "want" may be a better term. From an aberrated viewpoint, one may contract a disease to explain away a failure such as, "I couldn't win the race, because I was sick". There are other areas in life where one fails, and disease makes a great excuse. What a crock though. Kinda nuts. Love, Doc Dr. Ian Shillington505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Sherry Bakko herbal remedies Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:36 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: ADHD on 9/14/02 1:14 PM, Dr. Ian Shillington at Dr.IanShillington wrote:Doc,Don't you and Michael, and everyone else think, feel, whatever, that some people NEED their diseases??? I have a friend that almost glows each and everytime she gets diagnosed with something else - and she LOVES her Psychiatrist......PS - I too enjoyed reading the article and liked it.Sherry Gosh, I was willing to post my diploma (Naturopathic NOT Medical, and heaven forbid I have one in Psychiatry), but our friend below just up and left the list without another word.Please pay no attention to his post, especially you Michael, as I think this diatribe was aimed at you and your post, though if it was aimed at me, I've already forgotten about it.Love,DocPS. Forgotten what? I don't know. I've forgotten. Please pass the Gingko ;o)Dr. Ian Shillington505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Morning Alobar, >>I just can't keep my yap shut when people brag about how they would > " die without their coffee " when they already have difficulty >maintaining focus. Don't you know,...... these people are beyond help by any of us? <grin> My wife is one of them. She will certainly die with coffee, not without it. The really bad part is that so many coffee addicts add sugar and the chemical creamer products. Most will not try the simple alternative which is drinking water. After I quit drinking coffee, that first glass of water when I wake up, perks me up like 3 cups of coffee. Generally, people with the frame of mind you described, and the frame of mind like my wife, has other bad habits that are just as bad as the coffee drinking. So...... what shall we do? Leave them alone and let them die happy. The water book would be worth about a half million dollars to most people, if they would read, believe, and practice. For a long time, I have told people, " No matter what ails you, you will not get well if you do not drink enough water " . Now I have added another condition. The other condition is correcting the essential fatty acid problem. Of course if one will give up the bad liquids, correct essential fatty acids, they will likely do a few other things relative to good health. I have been up 2.5 hours. Now I am on my third 16 oz glass of water. One contained a package of Emergen-C. Later I will get hungry but not usually until I have at least 3 or 4 glasses of water. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:33 AM Re: adhd > Morning Alobar, > > >>I just can't keep my yap shut when people brag about how they would > > " die without their coffee " when they already have difficulty > >maintaining focus. > > Don't you know,...... these people are beyond help by any of us? <grin> > > My wife is one of them. She will certainly die with coffee, not without it. > > The really bad part is that so many coffee addicts add sugar and the > chemical creamer products. > > Most will not try the simple alternative which is drinking water. After > I quit drinking coffee, that first glass of water when I wake up, perks me > up like 3 cups of coffee. > > Generally, people with the frame of mind you described, and the frame of > mind like my wife, has other bad habits that are just as bad as the coffee > drinking. > > So...... what shall we do? > > Leave them alone and let them die happy. > > The water book would be worth about a half million dollars to most > people, if they would read, believe, and practice. > > For a long time, I have told people, " No matter what ails you, you will > not get well if you do not drink enough water " . > > Now I have added another condition. The other condition is correcting > the essential fatty acid problem. > > Of course if one will give up the bad liquids, correct essential fatty > acids, they will likely do a few other things relative to good health. > > I have been up 2.5 hours. Now I am on my third 16 oz glass of water. > One contained a package of Emergen-C. Later I will get hungry but not > usually until I have at least 3 or 4 glasses of water. > > Wayne You're probably right, Wayne. Speaking of waking up, I used to sleep as late as possible, then force myself to get ready for work as fast as possible, while forcing down breakfast & 2 cups of coffee. I was stressed out most of the time. Now I have my schedule shifted around so half of my leisure time is before work & half is after (rather than all of it after work). I wake up slowly, while checking my e-mail, and alternately sipping cool water ( Reverse-Osmosis) and a another glass containing vitamin C crystals dissolved in water (about 1 heaping tsp per 20 ounces of water). Refreshing. Tart without being too sour. By the time I am ready for breakfast, I am actually hungry & looking forward to it. No need to rush it down either. Much more bounce in my step when I am ready to leave for work, and I laugh at the inconveniences which come from rubbing shoulders with rushed & stressed people instead of getting myself all worked-up over them. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Hi , if they would not be put off by the title the site at allergy induced autism is very good . www.autismmedical.com Most of the people are there are parents helping children with ASD but MANY have cross over symptoms of ADD and ADHD and these are helped too by diet . The general experience of these kids is that people with these shades of conditions have huge problems coping with stimulants - especially artificial . The classic reaction to things like aspartme and E no's is just the start - our kids react to all sorts including phenols and yeast . Interestingly many of the drugs for Add and ADHD have artificial sweetners or other problem ingredients and can actually make things worse long term . Or they can artificially increase a childs " focus " to the extent that they bring out ASD tendencies , by creating fixations . If it were me I would make sure that the coffe is being taken with real sugar , soya milk if possible and hopefully wean it down from there . I would also get as many E-nos out of the diet as possible . And then check for leaky gut in case this is the reason for the probs in the first place . Don't know if this helps ! Regards D Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote: > > - > " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne@f...> > > Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:33 AM > Re: adhd > > > > Morning Alobar, > > > > >>I just can't keep my yap shut when people brag about how they > would > > > " die without their coffee " when they already have difficulty > > >maintaining focus. > > > > Don't you know,...... these people are beyond help by any of us? > <grin> > > > > My wife is one of them. She will certainly die with coffee, not > without it. > > > > The really bad part is that so many coffee addicts add sugar and > the > > chemical creamer products. > > > > Most will not try the simple alternative which is drinking > water. After > > I quit drinking coffee, that first glass of water when I wake up, > perks me > > up like 3 cups of coffee. > > > > Generally, people with the frame of mind you described, and the > frame of > > mind like my wife, has other bad habits that are just as bad as the > coffee > > drinking. > > > > So...... what shall we do? > > > > Leave them alone and let them die happy. > > > > The water book would be worth about a half million dollars to > most > > people, if they would read, believe, and practice. > > > > For a long time, I have told people, " No matter what ails you, > you will > > not get well if you do not drink enough water " . > > > > Now I have added another condition. The other condition is > correcting > > the essential fatty acid problem. > > > > Of course if one will give up the bad liquids, correct essential > fatty > > acids, they will likely do a few other things relative to good > health. > > > > I have been up 2.5 hours. Now I am on my third 16 oz glass of > water. > > One contained a package of Emergen-C. Later I will get hungry but > not > > usually until I have at least 3 or 4 glasses of water. > > > > Wayne > > You're probably right, Wayne. Speaking of waking up, I used > to sleep as late as possible, then force myself to get ready for work > as fast as possible, while forcing down breakfast & 2 cups of coffee. > I was stressed out most of the time. Now I have my schedule shifted > around so half of my leisure time is before work & half is after > (rather than all of it after work). I wake up slowly, while > checking my e-mail, and alternately sipping cool water ( > Reverse-Osmosis) and a another glass containing vitamin C crystals > dissolved in water (about 1 heaping tsp per 20 ounces of water). > Refreshing. Tart without being too sour. By the time I am ready > for breakfast, I am actually hungry & looking forward to it. No > need to rush it down either. Much more bounce in my step when I am > ready to leave for work, and I laugh at the inconveniences which come > from rubbing shoulders with rushed & stressed people instead of > getting myself all worked-up over them. > > Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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