Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I WISH YOU ALL A VERY SPECIAL & HAPPY SANKRANTHI. Dr. Krishna Rao, G.M. Added by moderator - For those wondering what Sankranthi is please visit http://www.festivalsofindia.in/makarsankranti/ Moderators request members from countries other than India also to post information about such festivals which maybe locally celebrated but have a health connection, alongwith details if possible. To see how customs celebrated in makar sankranti are utilised by ayurveda visit the following two posts previously posted on Ayurveda Online. http://health.ayurveda/message/8670 http://health.ayurveda/message/8868 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 the timing of this holiday has always confused me shouldn't uttarayana should begin with the winter solstice, i.e. december 21/22? and in turn, shouldn't dakshinayana should begin june 21/22? it seems to me that the current calendar is off by about 3 weeks, which can be explained by a failure to account for the precession of the equinoxes it appears i am not the only one scratching my head about this, and i have since met several individuals in India and Nepal trying to promote the reform of the hindu calendar any comments? here is an article from the Kathmandu Post, from a couple years ago: *** Calendars behind by 23 days BY PRABHAKAR GHIMIRE KATHMANDU, June 22 - Are your getting married? Are you observing your father’s or mother’s death anniversary? Be careful, the astrologers’ advice on auspicious dates for conducting such rituals are all wrong, if a report presented by the Festival Reforms National Taskforce (FRNT) to the government Friday means anything. According to the report, the earth’s rotation around its axis at an inclination of 23.5 degrees has resulted in a gain of one day every 72 years. There has been no adjustment for this in calendars since the past 1,656 years. This means that the calendars are behind by 23 days. Conducting rituals on auspicious dates and at auspicious hours is a widespread tradition in Nepal. Since the calendar our astrologers use to suggest such days and hours is flawed, we have been celebrating even our important festivals on the wrong days, claimed astrologers in the report presented to Minister of Culture,Tourism and Civil Aviation Prithvi Subba Gurung. FRNT, a 19-member committee, was formed by the ministry on December 12 last year following a controversy over the accuracy of calendars in use. The taskforce, headed by Jal Krishna Shrestha, joint secretary at the ministry, comprises astrologers and religious figures, among others. “We are fixing our auspicious occasions and religious festivals on the basis of a virtual date which is 23 days behind the actual date,” said Jayanta Acharya, a member of the taskforce, adding, “Due to this wrong practice, we have been missing and are going to keep on missing our religious festivals.” After presenting the 90-page report, Acharya recommended that the difference between the virtual and actual dates be made nil so that the festivals are celebrated on the right dates, and people conduct their rituals on the right days and at the right hours. FRNT has suggested that the government make necessary preparations for adjusting the dates by 2010. Presenting the report, Hari Narayan Malla, member-secretary of FRNT, suggested that the government organize an international seminar of astrologers to inform the world about this before the recommendations are implemented. “How surprising! The actual date for Saune Shakranti, the first day of Shrawan, which we are going to celebrate on 17th July, was actually on 21 June” said Malla. “We should not continue this wrong practice any more.” After receiving the report, Minister Gurung said that the recommendation would be made public for general awareness. “The revised dates should match international religious calendars so that religious occasions can be celebrated simultaneously,” he said. Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Dear Online friends, If we believe that God created the Universe (Cosmos and what not). then every day is God's creation and therefore pious to perform rituals that one wants to. Rituals are not God's creations. They are the result of fertile imaginations of different people. Since man has an innate doubting foolishness, he becomes a pray to gullible branmins to tell us the auspicious day for every ritual. I say, anything done with full sincerity from the heart (not the mind as it goes on questioning things and creating more doubts) it is pious. It is the feeling that is important and so much the act. As to astronomy, it is again an unending subject. New galaxies are being formed every second and old disappearing into what we call a black hole which is also not final as tomorrow another scientist might prove the theory of black hole incorrect or wrong. As to the solicetices and uttarayan, etc. the Hindu calendar is a mix of the movements of the moon and the sun. It goes according to full moon to full moon or whatever it is. Astrologers have tried to adjust it by having an extra moon month (adhik mas) every couple of years. Many persons follow the week days with Sunday (Raviwar) belonging to the Sun God, Monday the moon God and so on. They also observe fast as per these days. Some observe fast on Thursdays (Guruwar) while others observe on other day like on Saturday to please Saturn, the Shani Maharaj. Since man does not live by bread alone, we have all these endless arguments. Whoever wins due to his better wits is the winner. So, dear friends, let us not sratch our heads unneessarily. I also see the sun rise and sunset timings every day. It was many days after Dec 23, that the day becomes the smallest and the night longest.It is only now that I find the day a few seconds longer than 11 hours and the nights shorter than 13 hours, sunrise being 0711 hours and sunset 1817 hours as reported in the Times of India dated January 15. The days started becoming longer about a week back. Before that, the days were becoming shorter even after Dec 23.Hence, let us accept the tradition that is decided by astrologers so far. If they change it, people will start following it. Nothig is final in this world. Let us accept what appeals to our minds and be happy. With these words, I wish happy Makar Sankrani and a happy New Year to all till the next Makar Sankranti. I am not arguing but only giving my way how to feel happy in all circumstances. S. M. Acharya. <smacharya ___________ the timing of this holiday has always confused me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 dear SM Acharya i take to heart what you say, and believe that you have the correct perspective in this matter for me personally it doesn't matter, and i am happy to celebrate everyone's holidays in whatever manner they choose (as long as the firecrackers are kept to a minimum!) my _only_ interest is that when i explain rutucharya to students, and discuss the division of the uttarayana and daksinayana, we need to have some idea of the correct dates for these, and sometimes students will note that the winter solstice and makar sankranti (which is supposed to denote the beginning of the uttarayana) don't match up with regard to length of day or night, it does depend on how close one is to the equator, however, there is no doubt that in the northern hemisphere, the shortest day of the year is the winter solstice, not January 14 if some can claim that this is a battle of wits then let them argue, however, there are certain facts that cannot be logically disputed at the US Naval Observatory, they have a calculator to determine sunrise/sunset times for anywhere in the world http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.php below are the timings for Mumbai, India (E072 50, N18 58) Dec 14, 2007 sunrise: 07:03(am) sunset: 18:03 (6:03pm) net daylight: 11 hours Dec 21, 2007 (Winter Solstice) sunrise 07:07(am) sunset: 18:06 am (6:06pm) net daylight: 10 hours, 59 minutes Jan 1, 2008 sunrise: 07:12(am) sunset: 18:12 (6:12pm) net daylight: 11 hours Jan 7, 2008 sunrise: 07:13(am) sunset: 18:16 (6:16pm) net daylight: 11 hours, 3 minutes Jan 14, 2008 (Makar Sankranti) sunrise: 07:15(am) sunset: 18:21 (6:21pm) net daylight: 11 hours, 6 minutes as we can see, the shortest day is around the 21 of December, and from thence forward, the days get longer thus, the uttarayana, which technically refers to the movement of the sun into the northern hemisphere, begins with the actual solstice and unfortunately not on the date that makar sankranti is currently celebrated there is also a flash animation that visually demonstrates the length of the days throughout the year here: http://www.cs.sbcc.cc.ca.us/~physics/flash/LengthofDay.swf best wishes.... Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG) Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist 203 - 1750 East 10th Ave Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com email: todd tel: (1)778.896.8894 fax: (1)866.703.2792 _________________ So, dear friends, let us not sratch our heads unneessarily. I also see the sun rise and sunset timings every day. It was many days after Dec 23, that the day becomes the smallest and the night longest.It is only now that I find the day a few seconds longer than 11 hours and the nights shorter than 13 hours, sunrise being 0711 hours and sunset 1817 hours as reported in the Times of India dated January 15. The days started becoming longer about a week back. Before that, the days were becoming shorter even after Dec 23.Hence, let us accept the tradition that is decided by astrologers so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 ayurveda , Todd Caldecott <todd wrote: > my _only_ interest is that when i explain rutucharya to students, and > discuss the division of the uttarayana and daksinayana, we need to > have some idea of the correct dates for these, and sometimes students > will note that the winter solstice and makar sankranti (which is > supposed to denote the beginning of the uttarayana) don't match up Above confusion arisen as it is assumed that Uttarayana starts with Makar Sankranthi. This assumption is not correct. If someone is interested to know when uttarayana starts, he should refer to eupmerides followed by most astrologers. The most used and oldest such book is " Janmabhumi Sukshma Nirayan Bharatiya Panchang " being published for more than last 60 years from Mumbai. THis book was started at the instance of Kanchi Kamkoti Peethadhiswar Jagadgurru Shankaracharya, and receives blessings from this peetha. If one opens it, he sees that change from Dakshinayana to Uttarayana is always around Dec. 21, not Makar Sankranthi. Same day sun enters Sayana Capricorn sign. (e.g. in 2004, Uttarayana started on Dec 21, at 18:13 IST or 12:43 GMT) Uttarayan does not depend on place on the planet, while length of day will depend. Sour Shishir Rutu starts on the same instant. Thus uttarayana/Daskhinayana are being defined by solstices while, Sun enters Nirayana Capricorn sign on Jan 14/15 which correctly defines Makar sankranthi. Since most indian astrologers follow nirayana system (fixed zodiac), the precession of the earth's axis is a variable removed once and for all. The first point of Aries (beginning of zodiac) is so defined that zodiac is fixed with ref. to most distant visible star. For the purpose of arriving at fixed zodiac, one subtracts the ayanamsa (precession bias) from sayana longitudes. IN a meeting of prominenet astronomers and astrologers, dated 7-8 Sept. 1966, the ayanamsa arrived at by the longitude of " Chitra " star are accepted as most appropriate for calculation of almanac. More important than rutucharya, patients coming with angina/chest tightness problems indicates the changeovers, according this authors experience. whenever sun-saturn are in some relationship, heart/angina/hypertension patients experience some ups and downs. These appear to be governed by fixed zodiac of Indian system rather than variable western zodiac. Mudanne astrology also tries to predict political events. the major influence of sun-saturn relationship is to give jolts to throne, and author has seen that political instabilities of ruling governments accurately start when sun-saturn change fixed zodiac signs. The sun remaining in one sign just for 30 days is a big relief for heart patients. And what is surprising to this author is significant flow of patients suffering from vitiated pitta in winter days! He feels that sun-spot cycles, magnetic storms and global warming are more significant factors rather than just sun-moon relationships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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