Please advise

[Guest guest]

> Good point about people with healthy lifestyles having a heart

attack. I guess Allopathy does come to rescue there, but then a

majority of population does not depend on Allopathy only for those

life saving moments, but for practically all their needs.

 

Depends on the intensity of attack. For intense attack, neither

allopathy nor ayurveda can help. For an attack where allopathy can

help, ayurveda also helps. ayurveda has equivalent of sorbitrate and

something to give support to heart. It happens occasionally that a

person is having all the symptoms and pulse stating that a mild or

medium attack exists. Now the dying man wishes to talk something to

his son/daughter/relative, who may be a couple of hours away on the

way to where patient is suffering. It is possible to give few hours

extension, provided patient has desire and attack is mild, medium. the

intensity to be judged by vaidya.

 

A farmer aged 84, using motor byke to move around as he had arthritis,

just collapsed in a temple 3 days back. He used to say, since i live

simply in a traditional way, do not take any medicine, I wont need any

medication or hospital. Since i am a devotee offering my services to

an ashram, my final wish is to put my body at the feet of God.

 

He had come to Mumbai to meet his son after a long time, and went to

nearby temple, since it was a ekadasi day.

 

God granted his wish finally, albeit in a different temple. To go to

heavenly abode on ekadasi day is considered very auspicious by Hindus.

The importance of ekadasi has been brought out earlier also, but

searching archives has become difficult as searches only last

one year postings.

[Guest guest]

Dear Shirish,

Could you please elaborate more on Ayurvedic equivalent for sorbitrate when

one has a heart attack?

Really a interesting statement.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

_______________________

Depends on the intensity of attack. For intense attack, neither

allopathy nor ayurveda can help. For an attack where allopathy can

help, ayurveda also helps. ayurveda has equivalent of sorbitrate and

something to give support to heart.

[Guest guest]

> Could you please elaborate more on Ayurvedic equivalent for

sorbitrate when one has a heart attack?

 

Supplied by: a south indian Vaidya whom author knows for a long time,

who shared many formulations for chronic and acute illnesses. supllied

only to friends and genuine patients.

 

Contents: unknown (perhaps derived from endangered animal species), he did not

wish

to share this info. South Indian vaidyas share info with limited

people. Especially when the medicines are developed in the family.

 

Usage: 1 tab. (handmade to green gram size) crush in honey and let

patient lick. LIcking should go on for 10-15 minutes, very slow.

 

Effect: easing chest tightness, breathing difficulty, chest pain etc.

 

author found that it is better to try marma points first and check if

discomfort reduces. before this, it must be ensured that this indeed

is a stroke/attack. How to ensure is given in archives. There are precautions

while giving this medicine, which are skipped here.

 

Author made one medicine for amenorrhea and PCOS after his guidance. It has

given good results.

 

It is not only this medicine, but several other medicines are either available

in some less well known texts, remotely practicing healers in tribal areas, or

grandmas. Vaidya should have curiosity to pick up every piece of info and

experience of other healers for the sake of his patients. Ayurvedas spread is

vast across several texts, puranas, and experience of aged, in nature rather

than concrete multistory buildings.

 

Many traditional herbal formulations are mentioned by an exceptional herbal

researcher Pankaj Oudhia, who already has written widely on net. and much more

is on the way, as his one post in another group devoted to " health through green

nature " shows:

_____

Document on Herbal treatment for Diabetes type II

Dear Group Members,

 

I am sorry for not sending mails from many months. These days I

am documenting traditional medicinal knowledge about herbs used in

treatment of Diabetes. I have written 55,000 pages so far. This report

is having over 20,000 pictures of herbs and related aspects used

in these schedules. Details regarding collection of herbs, methods

to enrich it with medicinal properties before collection through

Traditional Allelopathic Knowledge, differences in opinion regarding

doses,uses and time etc. are main features of this scientific report.

This knowledge is collected through interactions with over 6,000

Traditional Healers, Herb Collectors, Herb Traders, Herb Vendors,

Farmers, Senior Natives etc. with much inputs based on my experiences.

This report is having over 100,000 weekly schedules. Over 38,000

weekly schedules are on-line. This report will be completed in April,

2009.

 

You can get more details from

 

Note on Scientific Report titled ‘Traditional medicinal knowledge

about herbs and herbal combinations used in treatment of Type II

Diabetes in India with special reference to Chhattisgarh’.

by

Pankaj Oudhia

 

http://ecoport.org/ep?SearchType=earticleView & earticleId=3077 & page=-2

 

 

While writing this report in coming days, I will try to give time to

group activities also. So be ready.

 

regards

Pankaj Oudhia

 

[cross post from another group.]

 

> Even according to Ayurveda, cataract ( Ling-nash as called in Ayurvedic terms

), is a disorder to be treated surgically.There is no established or proven

herbal therapy in Ayurveda which can avoid cataract surgery.>

 

That is the reason this author feels that Vaidyas should widen their views and

try to establish/prove rather than negative approach of restricting to ancient

texts only. Many Vaidyas are researching Panchgavya medicines. The message no.

11916 clearly mentions a simple inexpensive medicine which can make cataract

stop in its track and this has been proven by a patient(74) near Mumbai. His

surgery is cancelled. This may be anecdotal case, but gradually more cases are

building up. That this medicine is also useful for reducing the glass power was

the discovery (patient was his daughter) by an allopath who respects ayurveda

better than allopathy.

Should allopaths take over ayurveda gradually?

[Guest guest]

Dear Shirish,

What is the use of a medicine if it is not properly disclosed? What would have

been the situation if Charak, Sushrut, Vagbhat and many others were to follow

the same policy? At least can you provide the address of the south Indian vaidya

you have mentioned? Is everybody aware that medicines made by using body parts

of endangered animal species can attract penal action? Is this the Responsible

Ayurveda that is being propagated?

Secondly, about cataract treatment. Can one patient record be treated as a

standard therapy? Could you provide the where-abouts of this patient, whose

catarct growth was arrested by Panch-gavya? Is the growth still arrested /

reverted?

Many questions till proper answers are sought out. Medicine does not and will

never work on emotionalism. It has to be proved again and again to make a rule

out of it. Otherwise, stray findings are treated as exceptions.Is this the way

Ayurveda ought to be projected to those who do not know anything about Ayurveda?

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

M.D.Ayurveda-Medicine (Mumbai-India)

Vice-President,BAMS Graduates Association,Maharashtra

< dahpc >

< www.indiamart/dhanwantariayurvedic >

[Guest guest]

Just as " when the pupil is ready the Master will appear " so when the patient

is ready the healer will appear - a loving touch and the hands on personal

approach does not smack of emotionalism but of Spiritual Healing power

aligned in the Vaidya's case with years of training and experience - for

some it may be difficult to perceive the difference - depends on the

experience of the critic and of their own Spiritual progress and sensitivity

really.

 

One Vaidya can not give an " across the board " blanket definition of which

remedy heals which disease - but " this " remedy heals " this " patient -

perfectly matched.

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

" muzumdar " <dahpc

 

> What is the use of a medicine if it is not properly disclosed?

 

Medicine does not and will never work on emotionalism

 

What would have been the situation if Charak, Sushrut, Vagbhat and many

others were to follow the same policy?

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

 

> What is the use of a medicine if it is not properly disclosed?

What would have been the situation if Charak, Sushrut, Vagbhat and

many others were to follow the same policy?

 

Several such medicines made by traditional vaidyas are being

provided to thousands without disclosing the contents, and people

are crowding the queue since benifits are there. For instance fish

medicine fropm Hyderabad. Who bothers about research to find

chemical contents and drug trials? Can Indian villagers sponsor such

events?

 

The search for medicines has gone beyond the authors mentioned by you, and local

population/healers know proper medicines for several ailments, as posted in the

recent post(Pankaj Oudhia's work e.g.).

 

> Secondly, about cataract treatment. Can one patient record be

treated as a standard therapy? Could you provide the where-abouts of

this patient, whose catarct growth was arrested by Panch-gavya? Is

the growth still arrested / reverted?

 

Patients glass power is reduced in addition to cataract arrested.

This patient's whereabouts are provided to needy cataract patients.

Patient is unwilling to leave this medicine now, since it is

inexpensive (Rs 20 for 6 weeks medicine) and beneficial. When this

medicine was given to this author as a sample, he first tried on

self, for three months and floaters disappeared!!

 

In this list, author has urged to service minded vaidyas (not much

money here!) to start using panchgavya medicines and generate their

own experience. Panchgavya medicines are no longer experimental

ones. They are legally licensed inexpensive medicines and availble

to all, from Goushalas directly to Vaidyas. There are no

intermediaries. Retails shops have been opened by many spiritual

Gurus like Asaram Bapu. Now some ayurvedic drug shops have started

stocking these. And many gurus incl. Baba Ramdev have become

supporters and canvassers for such medicines.

 

Vaidyas should not miss this bus.

 

 

> Many questions till proper answers are sought out. Medicine does

not and will never work on emotionalism. It has to be proved again

and again to make a rule out of it. Otherwise, stray findings are

treated as exceptions.Is this the way Ayurveda ought to be projected

to those who do not know anything about Ayurveda?>

 

Thanks for this spirit of critical assessment. As far as panchgavya

medicines are concerned, New ayurveda needs to be written as some

new generation BAMS are asking any books, references? trial results?

Practitioners of panchgavya ayurveda are so busy with finding new

unexplored vistas for these medicines rather than spending time on

writing and publishing papers, which represents a modern face of

medicine. In addition to ancient texts which hint on use of cow

urine, the books on Urine therapy, Go vigyan, are some guidelines,

plus experience collected by Go-vigyan Anusandhan Kendra, Nagpur. It

is really interesting to know that urine therapy in general has

attracted some allopaths, incl. those mentioned in archives.

 

More info on these medicines can be saught from Govigyan.com, their

hospitals and practicing doctors there. It is surprising why universities have

not taken much interest! This is a rich field, and likely to push India to the

TOP HEALER position in world, if politics is left out of this. And you may be

surprised to know that the start of Panchagavya medicines was made in a

Government hospital in Jaipur!

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

> Secondly, about cataract treatment. Can one patient record be

treated as a standard therapy? ...

> Many questions till proper answers are sought out. Medicine does not

and will never work on emotionalism. It has to be proved again and

again to make a rule out of it. Otherwise, stray findings are treated

as exceptions.Is this the way Ayurveda ought to be projected to those

who do not know anything about Ayurveda?

 

These thoughts reflect a scientific mindset rather than spiritual.

 

Please look at how western population is being served with model

of evidence based, scientific medicine proven on double blind

randomized drug trials whose publications in peer reviewed journals

are advertisements in disguise.

 

http://health./message/5670

 

Your posts often give an impression that you are endorsing state sponsored

model. This model has its own limitations that you have aptly brought out time

and again. In ayurveda medicine system every individual is unique, and this mass

manufactured drug based model is not likely to be much advantageous, though it

may provide attractively packed and dispensed drugs, convenient for a city

patient,who has to often carry it in his briefcase. He has huge salary by

operating few keys on a keyboard of PC, medical insurance to take care of the

health bills; but a villager cant afford such drugs.

 

We never raise similar questions when we find some drug in ancient

text! We treat them as holy texts; this is right, because they were

selfless acharyas. However, what is wrong when when a drug recommend

in ancient text is suggested to a patient and he exclaims, " sir, I

have already taken it for last six months and i have no benifits! It

was prescribed to me by an authentic doctor and was from a very

reputed pharmacy " . Perhaps diagnosis was symptom/pathology report

based rather than pulse based, drug was spurious, drug was made on

mass scale in machinery,...many reasons can exist. On the other hand,

some vaidyas, based on their special intuition, gifts, availability

of fresh herbs of good quality are making many medicines on a small

scale, durig specific time of the year, using specific techniques

which cant be classified in chemistry/manufacturing handbooks, but in

spiritual texts to impart special powers to the medicine. Simplest

substance on this planet is water which picks up vibrations rapidly.

Plants, herbs are also living species. We offer prayers before putting

the food on tongue. Ghee made from Indian Cow milk by traditional

process is pitta pacifier, while industry ghee made from jersey cow

is not. Which texts tell the reason for this difference? Vaidyas

should meditate on such questions rather than taking negative approach

of western world.

 

Antioxidant, immune booster power of Fresh juice of two good quality

amalaki fruits and one tsp pure honey on empty stomach is experienced

greater than the best made Chyvanprash. And while phamacy Chyvanprash

is causing acidity to some, aamla+honey is found to douse the acidity

for those!