Re:auto-urine therapy tamasik?

[Guest guest]

Are you taking medication for your condition?

 

Jane

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> I have been thinking of trying out the auto-urine therapy (other

> names: Amaroli/Shivambu) for my mental condition (Schizophrenia)

[Guest guest]

Jane:

 

Yes, I am taking maintenance dose (300 mg) of an antipsychotic called

Amisulpride. Is that a problem?

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

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Are you taking medication for your condition?

[Guest guest]

Hello.

In order to make urino therapy it is necessary don't smoke.

Be happy.

Guadalupe.

[Guest guest]

This is up to the Vaidyas - but I think I remember that it may complicate

things.

 

Jane

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> I am taking maintenance dose (300 mg) of an antipsychotic called

> Amisulpride. Is that a problem?

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " mattremley " <mattremley

wrote:

> Yes, I am taking maintenance dose (300 mg) of an antipsychotic called

> Amisulpride. Is that a problem?

 

Shivambu would not be indicated when taking Amisulpride. A common side

effect of taking such medicines is elevation of prolactin - this

excess prolactin should be elimenated not recycled. In fact in my

opinion anyone taking Amisulpride should do regular testing to make

sure that the prolactin levels are not rising - in men this often

manifests as supression of the sexual functions - which would not be

good - watch for difficulty getting erections or difficulty reaching

climax - if this happens surely the prolactin should be tested. In

women keep an eye on breast tenderness and hypersensitivity. Also keep

an eye open for Arrythmias and constipation - take plenty of high

fiber foods - and since the arrythmias in this case are caused by

hypomagnesemia (a side effect of Torsades which is a common syndrome

caused by this class of drugs)then take a magnesium supplement and eat

high magnesium foods. Most of these symptoms mean that the dose is too

high. If this medicine is helping with symptoms then just be alert to

side-effects and if they happen reduce the dose until the symptoms

subside - if it is not helping then one should question why one is

taking it.

 

Some comments on Shivambu in modern people. It is impossible to go

into all of the issues but let us just assume that there are potential

problems with Shivambu when used by modern people (who have a

completely different toxic blood compostion from traditional peoples)

- still this is not a complete contraindication to using Shivambu -

the German's and others have done much thought on this subject and

have developed many techniques for getting the immune stimulationg

effects (so called auto-immunization) - a common technique used is

making homeopathic preperations from urine and or blood through

dilutions. One can do such things at home in a gross manner which does

not create true homeopathic autoimmunity products but these dilutions

have been used with benefit by many who want to try this concept. This

is simple dilution of the midstream morning urine - this can be done

by putting about one teaspoon of urine in a glass of water and mixing

well taking small doses throughout the day (keep in fridge and do not

save it over until the next day)- this will avoid many problems of

toxic conditions while at the same time creating a definite immune

reaction to these self generated substances - one can do something

similar when washing the body in urine or using it as a gargle or

mouthwash without swallowing or using it in diluted form for ear basti

or Nasya. These techniques seem to be more rational to me for those

modern people who are full of toxins but would like to try to

implement the concepts of auto-immunization (a very ancient concept).

 

Here is link to a very good article on Shivambu as it is being used in

modern times -

 

http://www.hps-online.com/hurine1.htm

 

Dr Vinod Kumar

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Not many, but most drugs made to take care of nervous system problems

(anti-hypertensives, anti-depressants, anti-epileptic, etc) eliminate

many such chemicals in urine. Unfortunately, many drugs are

addictive, and sudden stoppage may cause stroke too, as in beta-

blockers and calcium channel blockers.

 

The unwanted chemicals eliminated by body should not be recycled by

taking shivambu without guidance. But the best way to take is take

only middle third part of early morning shivambu. This contains least

amount of toxins. Secondly, to dilute these toxins, drink plenty of

vegetable juices or soups (choice of juice /soup depending on the

vegetable), so that shivambu is rich with vitamins and minerals, a

best tip for cancer patients. they even need not take any enzyme

suppliments, an essential part of cancer protocols.

 

Many of the problems of reduction in the dosages of anti-

hypertensives or other brain directed drugs were dealt with by

gradual reduction of drugs and constant self-urine or panchgavya

medicines. panchgavya medicines are less troublesome than self-urine,

since cow urine is obtained by organic grass fed cows in most

gowshalas. The gowshala help farmers by giving compost and farmers

return fodder to gowshalas. that is how the self sustaining cycle

stabilizes.

 

In conclusion, diet (including drugs) must be carefully adjusted

while following self urine therapy, while cow therapy is less risky,

even though there too, problematic drugs can only be gradually

reduced. Rebound hypertension was seen in some cases when fast

reduction was attempted.

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> Yes, I am taking maintenance dose (300 mg) of an antipsychotic

called

> Amisulpride. Is that a problem?

 

Shivambu would not be indicated when taking Amisulpride. A common

side

effect of taking such medicines is elevation of prolactin -

[Guest guest]

In the link I gave yesterday to an article on Shivambu I would like to

comment on a couple of points made in that article. First the

assertion that is made there that urine does not contain toxins is

simply wrong - anyone can see and smell toxic conditions in their own

urine under different circumstances - forget the fact that research

shows that urine is full of all kinds of toxic substances - especially

of course in the urine of ill people. Another point is the quote of a

writing by Swami Sivinanda Saraswati where he is reffering to the use

of Amaroli in perfection of vajroli kriya to achieve full vajroli

mudra - these are techniques used by the Masters and relate mainly to

those who want to achieve firm and steady Bramacharya - Brahmacharis

must fully clear all obstructions in the genito-urinary tract -

practice of ordinary vajroli bandhas is suffecient for ordinary

practioners - with or without Amaroli - the main obsticles to being

able to fully contract the bandhas are Ama and weak muscles in the

pelvic floor - so diet and asanas for opening and strengthening the

pelvis are the simple and safe approach for perfecting basic vajroli

mudra. If one wants to use Shivambu then please find an advanced

practioner who has themselves practiced Shivambu and who understands

all of the indications and contraindications.

 

There is another practice which is called vajroli kriya - this is

drawing mercury into the urethra - this is not a practice that can be

reccomended - Tantric practices of this sort can lead to great tragedy.

 

Dr Vinod Kumar

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Kumar:

 

Thanks a lot for the feedback. Amisulpride's normal dose ranges between 400 mg

-- 800 mg. The side effects that you mentioned are generally encountered when

taking higher than normal dose. My symptoms are controlled well enough by just

300 mg and that is why I have opted not to go to even the normal dose of 400 mg.

If I reduce the dose any less than 300 mg, the symptoms do appear back. That is

why I am hesitant in reducing the dose.

 

As I mentioned in my previous post, I have been pursuing both auto-immune

therapy as well as cow-urine for the past 6-7 days and I do not witness any

changes in the symptoms. I know that mental symptoms are subtle, I am very

careful about observing any abnormalities and will stop shivambu immediately in

that case.

 

You are correct in saying that Shivambu can still introduce the toxins back in

the body, but then as I mentioned in the previous post, I am trying to reduce

the impact as much as possible by not taking Amisulpride in the night. Instead I

take it after I have taken in the midstream urine. I am not sure how much of

safety that buys me, but it makes sense. I know that those who have been on

antipsychotics for quite some time have a level of those medicines in their

blood most of the time. Still I feel that when you take in new pills, it affects

the level of the medicine in the blood -- that is why now they are coming up

with extended release pills.

 

In any case, if you have any further feedback, I would really appreciate that.

I have my fingers crossed and I pray everyday -- so I am sure that if things

start going wrong, I will feel that right away.

 

Regarding increased level of Prolactin, I will be cautious of that as well. I

know that auto-urine therapy used to be practised by the Yogis and they felt

that one of the side effects of shivambu was that it decreased the propensity

for sex. But I understand that you mean the sexual side effect more on physical

level due to Prolactin. I will be careful.

 

Thanks again!

 

Regards,

Matt

 

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Shivambu would not be indicated when taking Amisulpride. A common side

effect of taking such medicines is elevation of prolactin - this

excess prolactin should be elimenated not recycled.

[Guest guest]

Hello Dr. Kumar:

 

In your opinion, will homeopathic style intake of urine be

acceptable while taking Amisulpride? Please advise.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

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the German's and others have done much thought on this subject and

have developed many techniques for getting the immune stimulationg

effects (so called auto-immunization) - a common technique used is

making homeopathic preperations from urine and or blood through

dilutions.

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " mattremley " <mattremley

wrote:

In your opinion, will homeopathic style intake of urine be

acceptable while taking Amisulpride? Please advise.

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Simple dilutions are not the same as homeopathic preparations but if

they are potentiated by keeping the dose very small and putting it in

a small bottle with distilled water and shaking very well (percuss it

against your palm) then it will act as an immune stimulant to some

extent - in that case the Amisulpride will not be a toxic issue

anymore and indeed may act as a stimulant to your bodies ability to

deal with Amisulpride - this would potentially be true for any and all

substances contained in the urine sample. Some authoraties believe

that these types of substances are 1x or 2x potency preparations -

which have the ability to create mild reactions - which in a case like

yours might be just the right approach - powerful stimulatory effects

are not good for you. I believe if one wants to try such techniques

then the substance should not be kept overnight - every morning our

urine will have different composition - and it is the catching of

these daily changes that can set up a generalized reaction to the

chronic as well as the acute conditions - acute conditions change

throughout the day and night - but the chronic conditions are deep

patterns of pathology and shift much slower.

 

You have mentioned that you are on a diet of kitchari - could you

elaborate on this? Diet is very important in your disease (as in all

diseases)- if you are following a very restricted diet of rice and

mung then this could cause symptoms even though it might act to

'clean' you out - water diet, fasting, or juice diet will clean

anybody out but that does not mean that such practices should be done

by any particular person - in the case of severe reactivity diseases

(Vata diseases)like schizophrenia - then one should avoid practices

that further disturb the Vata - becoming overly 'light' can create

symptoms of 'emptiness' and over exposure - the approach should be the

opposite - grounding - stabalizing substances - warming is needed -

unctuous quality must be encouraged internally and externally - good

quality oils internally and externally are needed - mild simple diet

that contains all tastes with no excess or dominance in any taste goes

a long way toward stabalizing one - these types of approachs will in

the long run be much more useful than constant draining practices -

support the body and it will use it's available energy to balance and

heal you - this is much safer than gross practices that drain energy.

Avoid all extreme practices - the areas where we need to focus are the

simple human needs such as keeping regular in our processes and our

practices - eating well, sleeping well, keeping circulation moving

without over exerting ourselves - exercises should be slow and focused

- meditaition or any other ritualistic practices are helpful but

should not be over done - all kinds of tendency toward excesses should

be avoided - get firmly in the middle of the road - regular and

focused life is the true path of Sadhana.

 

If ones disease came on later in life after suffering some kind of

trauma or extreme stress then it is surely 100% curable if the

reserves are suffecient. If the disease is long standing and or has

been with you since childhood then it will take longer and probably

can not be cured but it is managable in a large percentage of people.

In my mind if we study this disease and it's different forms (there

are two basic forms a passive or depressive form and an active or

manic form - some people have cycling between the two states)we can

see that this is a disease of severe imbalance in the presence of

toxic conditions - in modern terms this disease is believed to be a

disease of Dopamine functions - which I agree with but we also have to

look at other brain chemicals like GABA - since often instability is a

characteristic of this disease and this can be explained by GABA

defeciency - which is failing to moderate the Dopamine functions -

meditation and all mild 'centering' practices (including mild diet)are

helpful for improving GABA functions - these practices can calm the

reactivity states which are causing the brain chemical imbalances in

the first place - reactivity and the resultant overstimulation of the

Sympathetic nervous system are the true symbols of these types of

defecit in brain chemical balance. Vata is severely disturbed and the

Pitta toxins are creating the many symptoms by aggravating the already

disturbed Vata - late onset Schizophrenia is a type of exhaustion

disease caused by excesses of some sort or another - it probably is a

genetic tendency that has been triggered by some kind of excess - so

the obvious solution is to reduce the stressors and calm down the

reactions and this will give the body a chance to attempt to create a

natural balance. Reduction of the toxic conditions and pacifying Vata

are the immediate needs.

 

What types of symptoms do you get Matt? You mentioned the symptoms are

less now than before and that the Amisulpride at a low dose is helping

– these are good indications that your disease has the potential to be

resolved. Do you feel that the symptoms in general are better - you

said that symptoms return if you go off the Amisulpride does this mean

you go back to zero or are they better now than in the past even

without meds? What do you consider to be the most bothersome symptoms?

 

Dr Vinod Kumar

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting relatively less discussed point on urine therapy in

general. For patients averse to panchgavya products, this is the

technique author uses to adopt them to panchgavya and it seems

working wonderfully.

 

Self urine or cow urine is not yet fully known for its contents, since

it is ultra high filtered fluid by body, variable day by day. It appears that

animals know

urine therapy better than us. The videos of they using this therapy are too big

to post on the website. Interested memebers can obtain from this author

off-list.

 

Author believes that phyto sterols

through grass in micro quantities appear in cow urine and remain so

even after distillation. Are some of them pheromones? Perhaps. The bio-

availability being very high, the effect of panchgavya medicine starts

showing up in just 30 minutes!

 

After success with bipolar disorder,(treated with just a simple

godanti bhasma, dates, tulsi, dry ginger powder) reported in

archives, author tried similar approach with panchgavya for a

schizophrenic patient and the experience is truly reqwarding for the

patient. May be a bit premature conclusion, but Panchgavya is a

spiritual medicine, reaching the mind too! Marching ahead treating

autistic cases with panchgavya, coriander, brahmi etc and it seems we

are yet to discover the magic of simple items available in pure form!

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Simple dilutions are not the same as homeopathic preparations but if

they are potentiated by keeping the dose very small and putting it in

a small bottle with distilled water and shaking very well (percuss it

against your palm) then it will act as an immune stimulant to some

extent - in that case the Amisulpride will not be a toxic issue

anymore and indeed may act as a stimulant to your bodies ability to

deal with Amisulpride - this would potentially be true for any and all

substances contained in the urine sample.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Kumar:

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

Regarding my diet, my khichari is most unlike the typical simple rice and mung

one. I add sufficient Ghee/Olive oil along with plenty of fresh organic

vegetables to it. I also use organic brown basmati rice as opposed to the usual

white rice. Other than Khichari, lately I have also started taking some flat

bread (chapatis) almost once a day (I have an Indian wife, so chapatis are easy

:-)).

 

I know about pacifying vata. I try to follow as regular a schedule as possible

in so far as my sleeping/waking and my intake of food and medicine are

concerned. I also do some yogasanas (surya-namaskar, bhujangasana,

pawan-muktasana, etc.) and pranayama every day apart from my chanting of the

Hare Krishna mantra for almost 2 hours per day.

 

Regarding my symptoms, the worst part is the thought disorder where I start

connecting different incidences irrationally and feel that there is a being

always around me. Sometimes or almost all the time, I feel that people can read

my mind. These are the main symptoms -- there are others that can again be

classified as some sort of thought disorder. So, I do not have acute or negative

symptoms of Schizophrenia. That is why perhaps 300 mg of Amisulpride does the

job for me. When I say that decreasing the dose brings many of the symptoms back

-- I mean when I go from 300 mg to 200 or 100 mg. I have taken other

antipsychotics in the past and I have never gone down to a dose of 0 in last 12

years.

 

Here is a good news though: Ever since I started on urine therapy (it has been

over 10 days), I have been taking 200 mg only and feeling just fine. In fact, I

have a hunch that taking Amisulpride increases vata in my body and that is why I

burp for hours after taking the medicine. That is another reason why I decreased

the dose to 200 mg -- other than due to my idea to decrease the level of the

medicine in the bloodstream as less amount of the medicine will be passed to the

urine.

 

Since things are going well (except the burps that last for hours), I will

continue with the urine therapy and very gradually decrease the dose of

Amisulpride. I am also taking distilled cow-urine in the morning. That may be

helping as well.

 

If you have any further feedback or would like to know something, please do

let me know.

 

Regards,

Matt

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You have mentioned that you are on a diet of kitchari - could you

elaborate on this? Diet is very important in your disease (as in all

diseases)- if you are following a very restricted diet of rice and

mung then this could cause symptoms even though it might act to

'clean' you out - water diet, fasting, or juice diet will clean

anybody out but that does not mean that such practices should be done

by any particular person