Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Here is a link that lists what's happening in certain countries and states regarding the sale of raw milk: http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html -Jo Message: 19 Thu, 15 May 2003 11:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Katherine Huether <kohwriter Re: Re: Ear infections I live in Germany, I never even looked into finding raw milk! I bet I could. Do you know if they pasteurize milk in Germany? _____ This email communication may contain CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WHICH ALSO MAY BE LEGALLY PRIVILEGED and is intended only for the use of the intended recipients identified above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized review, use, dissemination, distribution, downloading, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by reply email, delete the communication and destroy all copies. GORDON & REES, LLP http://www.gordonrees.com <http://www.gordonrees.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under the strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the first place. JP - " davehilty2003 " <davehilty2003 Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:11 AM Raw milk > > > > Can anyone make any suggestions on the advisability of drinking raw > milk and where would I find the laws regarding raw milk sales and use > in the state of Indiana? > Thanks for any help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2005 Report Share Posted January 30, 2005 <<I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under the strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the first place. JP>> What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it doesn't seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species. But why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include one (as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and make kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with his irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade and came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir, stop drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke (with aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more medication I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get! Ulrike 16 October 2003 19:45:03 The Magic of Goat Milk The Magic of Goat Milk JoAnn Guest Jul 29, 2003 10:02 PDT Everything was NOT " within normal range " A doctor's odyssey from near-starvation, multiple chemical sensitivitiesand anaphylactic shock to wellness . . . Naturally. by Gloria Gilbère, N.D., D.A.Hom., Ph.D. IMAGINE—AN ACCIDENT NEARLY TAKES YOUR LIFE. THE DRUGS THAT SAVED YOUR LIFE ALMOST TOOK YOUR LIFE AND LEFT YOU WITH the subsequent after effects diagnosed as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, chronic insomnia, leaky gut syndrome and multiple chemical sensitivities. You struggle and keep looking to your physicians for answers but all they can offer is more prescription drugs for muscle pain and spasms, anti-depressants and sleeping pills. You know that if one more medical doctor tells you " everything is within normal range " someone is going to get hurt. You now realize you're in the same vicious cycle of " symptom-care " as so many of your clients. IMAGINE—Your body is now resisting all food and supplements—over a period of three months you lose 52 pounds and you become allergic to everything in your environment. You suddenly react to familiar cosmetics you've used for years, other people's perfumes or anything fragranced, the exhaust of cars on the road, new paving, refueling your car, the newer furnishings and rugs in your home and office. Even the simple act of entering a store to buy groceries or being in the same office as a new computer or copier all trigger the same life-threatening, terrifying response. Just as serious are the unsuspecting odors in your vicinity because although you're not sure what it is, it doesn't matter. It still causes an allergic reaction. You know anaphylactic shock can kill; will the next allergic attack be your last? IMAGINE—Your entire life and career are staring you in the face. You remember all the clients you've consulted with and the horror stories of how their lives, and those of their loved ones, were shattered. You search for healthy, natural products and locate several nutritional items that facilitate reduction of your symptoms and eventually your recovery. People who know you, and watched your decline, now see your dramatic improvement and ask what you did to conquer the invisible illnesses that nearly took your life. This is not science fiction. It is a life, my life. This is my odyssey from pain and near starvation to recovery. It has been a long, arduous road but a journey well worth it for many reasons. Just as one specific incident did not cause my invisible illnesses, one specific product or therapy didn't provide all the answers. However, I credit one group of products for speeding my recovery and doing so without the allergic reactions experienced by previously consumed nutritional supplementation. HEALING—With a Lot of Help From My Friends, Four-legged Ones That Is The Magic of Goat Milk In 1998, at the peak of my illness, I resorted to a diet of freshly juiced organic carrots, apples, ginger, broccoli and brown rice (a diet for surviving, not rebuilding). Yes, I was avoiding allergic reactions; however, I lost my muscle tone and could not rebuild without minerals, electrolytes, protein and probiotics. All animal protein I tried caused the same reactions. However, I remembered reading a book in 1994 by the late Dr. Bernard Jensen, a world renowned nutritionist, and how milk supplied by a goat (his goat's name was Star) literally saved his life. I then discovered a local source for fresh goat milk and other goat milk products and was pleasantly surprised that my body not only tolerated them but I also assimilated the nutrients with ease. The immediate health benefits were remarkable. Dr. Jensen was right! Nature's Prescription Milk: Goat's milk is most like human milk in composition and is praised because it is readily digestible. Our bodies can digest goat's milk in just 20 minutes; conversely, it takes two to three hours to digest cow's milk. Goat's milk is nutritionally balanced to nourish a kid (baby goat) weight of six to nine pounds, about the same as that of a human baby. Conversely, a dairy cow is designed to produce, maintain and fulfill growth needs of one to two baby calves. Like other milk-producing animals, the milk consistency (molecular structure) is set up by nature to sustain life of its offspring— the larger the animal the thicker and larger fat and protein molecules. Milk production from cows, provided by nature, is approximately 20–30 pounds of milk per day. Modern day cow milk production, with the injection of bovine growth hormone during lactation, arti- ficially increased production to approximately 80 pounds of milk per day. This produces a stressed animal and milk that is not readily accepted by human digestive systems. The high nutritional quality and the greater ease of digestion of goat milk is what make it so effective in the prevention or reversal (as in my case) of disease. The secret lies in its dual natural ability to be halfcleansing and half-building. Additionally, goat milk protein molecules are one-fifth smaller than those of cow milk protein, a must for a compromised digestive system and liver. Currently I use and recommend products made from goat's milk produced in farms owned by a family business in Chehalis, Washington. They are not new at this; they've specialized in quality goat milk products since 1928. Their goats are never fed anything that contains pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics or growth hormones, thus insuring the integrity of these magnificent animals' milk. Goat's milk contains a unique essential balance of vitamins, minerals, proteins, carbohydrates, enzymes and fats—it is one of the few whole foods that is actually able to sustain life. Some doctors (and I'm one of them) call goat's milk and goat milk products " prescription milk. " It has gained this reputation because doctors and nutritionists worldwide prescribe it for everything from infant colic to advanced degenerative diseases. Dr. William Lee Secor, a medical doctor from Kerrville, Texas, wrote: " I am a surgeon, restricting my practice to surgery, but since discovering the value of goat milk in the treatment of stomach and intestinal ulcers, I have not operated on a single ulcer case and this covers a period of more than a dozen years. " Through my personal experience, research and in my practice, I have found that goat's milk assists in the healing of certain diseases, specifically ulcers, arthritis, rheumatism, IBS, Crohn's disease, fibromyalgia, leaky gut syndrome, anxiety disorders, anorexia, asthma, food allergies and many other chronic disorders. http://totalhealthmagazine.com/cgi-bin/thm?XwsSrvID=XTothm01,[a=01 [b=31[c=01[d=a\ totgmhl[e=00030495[f=xxxxxxxx[g=266-34972 JoAnn Guest mrsjo- DietaryTi- http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/classic_tan.html http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/AIM.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Your husband may be diagnosed with irritable bowel. However has anyone ever considered Acid Reflux or GERD? Anything with caffeine (pops/sodas, teas, coffee); sugars, and of course aspartame must be avoided. Aspartame alone can cause a host of difficult symptoms. ======================================== On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:03:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " Ulrike " <ferretlove_uk writes: What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it doesn't seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species. But why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include one (as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and make kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with his irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade and came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir, stop drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke (with aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more medication I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get! Ulrike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think raw milk, cow or goat, is delightful. It's one of the most delicious beverages I've ever tried in my life. But I avoid it. It's useless to argue the issue at this level on this site. But, if you look over the arguments for and against the use of milk from various farm animals, I suspect, though I'm not sure, you'll find yourself on the side of the opponents. Yogurts and Kefirs have a somewhat, though not much, better reputation. If the comparison here is between raw milk and coca cola, milk wins in a flash. Each time we depart from wholesome eating, the consequences take a shorter and shorter time to overwhelm us, until, finally, we cannot regain our health at all. Such things as coke, sugar, white bread, etc., are not " foods, " they're make-believe foods; poisons, in fact. JP - " Ulrike " <ferretlove_uk Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:03 PM Re: Raw milk <<I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under the strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the first place. JP>> What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it doesn't seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species. But why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include one (as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and make kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with his irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade and came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir, stop drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke (with aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more medication I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get! Ulrike 16 October 2003 19:45:03 The Magic of Goat Milk The Magic of Goat Milk JoAnn Guest Jul 29, 2003 10:02 PDT Everything was NOT " within normal range " A doctor's odyssey from near-starvation, multiple chemical sensitivitiesand anaphylactic shock to wellness . . . Naturally. by Gloria Gilbère, N.D., D.A.Hom., Ph.D. IMAGINE-AN ACCIDENT NEARLY TAKES YOUR LIFE. THE DRUGS THAT SAVED YOUR LIFE ALMOST TOOK YOUR LIFE AND LEFT YOU WITH the subsequent after effects diagnosed as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, chronic insomnia, leaky gut syndrome and multiple chemical sensitivities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Raw milk is delicious, and until the EEC banned it, we all drank it in the UK (it was brought to our doorsteps as 'green top' milk.) It was of course TT (tuberculin) tested. I recently read that it contains Cystine, needed for cancer and tumour prevention, and changed to cysteine by pasteurization. So we all need a source of raw milk/unpasteurized cheese (which you can still get in France and sometimes here.) cheers, Clare - " davehilty2003 " <davehilty2003 Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:11 PM Raw milk > > > > Can anyone make any suggestions on the advisability of drinking raw > milk and where would I find the laws regarding raw milk sales and use > in the state of Indiana? > Thanks for any help. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Raw milk is one of the healthiest things you can take, I`ve been drinking raw goats milk for years, If you do a bit of research you`ll find some of the healthiest cultures in the world have raw milk as one of there food groups, but whatever you do do not drink commercial milk, it`s not very good for you`re health, this has been backed up with well researched documented evidence. - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt Monday, January 31, 2005 8:01 AM Re: Raw milk > > > I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under the > strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible > cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the > first place. > JP > > > - > " davehilty2003 " <davehilty2003 > > Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:11 AM > Raw milk > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone make any suggestions on the advisability of drinking raw > > milk and where would I find the laws regarding raw milk sales and use > > in the state of Indiana? > > Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I to make Kefir from raw milk, it`s one of the healthiest things you can take, just take a look at some of the cultures around the world who have been taking Kefir and raw milk for centuries and live long disease free healthy lives. - <creativesources Monday, January 31, 2005 11:05 AM Re: Raw milk > > > Your husband may be diagnosed with irritable bowel. > However has anyone ever considered Acid Reflux or GERD? > > Anything with caffeine (pops/sodas, teas, coffee); > sugars, and of course aspartame must be avoided. > Aspartame alone can cause a host of difficult symptoms. > > ======================================== > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:03:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " Ulrike " > <ferretlove_uk writes: > > What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it > doesn't > seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species. > But > why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include > one > (as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and > make > kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic > fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but > without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with > his > irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade > and > came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir, > stop > drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white > bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke > (with > aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more > medication > I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get! > > Ulrike > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 I would like to point out that we don't 'need' any milk at all. Vegans live quite happily long lives. Jo Raw milk is delicious, and until the EEC banned it, we all drank it in the UK (it was brought to our doorsteps as 'green top' milk.) It was of course TT (tuberculin) tested. I recently read that it contains Cystine, needed for cancer and tumour prevention, and changed to cysteine by pasteurization. So we all need a source of raw milk/unpasteurized cheese (which you can still get in France and sometimes here.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Whatever milk contains, can be found in other non-animal sources. The issue with milk, has little to do with nutrition, and everthing to do with the simple reality that, like so many other of our addictions to " comfort " foods, we're busy looking for nutritional justifications for our habits. This isn't necessary. We simply need to be realistic about our habituation to various foods that make us " feel good, " and that we enjoy, while facing up to the potential damage these foods are doing to us. I occassionaly drink decaf coffee, but not with any illusions about its perceived and very narrow nutritional values (it's a bean, and has antioxidant value, etc.), because its potential for harm, is greater than its potential for benefit, and I'd love to stop drinking it entirely. JP - " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork Monday, January 31, 2005 11:18 AM Re: Raw milk > > > I would like to point out that we don't 'need' any milk at all. Vegans > live quite happily long lives. > > Jo > Raw milk is delicious, and until the EEC banned it, we all drank it in > the > UK (it was brought to our doorsteps as 'green top' milk.) It was of > course > TT (tuberculin) tested. > I recently read that it contains Cystine, needed for cancer and tumour > prevention, and changed to cysteine by pasteurization. > So we all need a source of raw milk/unpasteurized cheese (which you can > still get in France and sometimes here.) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 In a message dated 2/9/2007 9:53:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, DevonsMom420 writes: That sound fairly simple. Where do I find RAW organic milk and RAW organic UNHEATED honey? Are these things I can find in my local health food store or farmer's market? And where did you get this recipe originally? *********You have to find a farmer that sells RAW organic Milk.....for the honey, you need to find a Bee Keeper that makes UNHEATED honey....it MUST be unheated. There is only ONE healthfood store in Phoenix that sells RAW organic milk....first come first serve....I belong to a private Raw Club and get my raw organic products from..... ***********This is a combination of Aajonus and my doctor and myself Kefir recipe....some folks use Kefir starters, some get Kefir starters from others.....I won't buy starters from other people, UNLESS I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they make their homemade Kefir from RAW organic milk. Too many folks use Organic Milk....I will not used pasteurized milk. Some people buy Kefir starters that are packaged and sold in Healthfood stores..... ********Just a side note.....I learned from my studies of Aajonus and raw friends that you can help remove toxins from your body by eating RAW organic cheese and RAW organic UNHEATED honey will bind and remove toxins....Soooooooooo I cut slices of my raw organic cheese and dip it in my UNHEATED honey. Not only is it safe but YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMY.... Angel Huggzzz Linda or Angel www.lymecommunity.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 -Is it because the milk is raw that it is okay to put it in a warm,dark place???? And yes, I would also like to know where to get raw milk.... Thanks, Lynn -- In , " Jamie " <DevonsMom420 wrote: > > That sound fairly simple. Where do I find RAW organic milk and RAW > organic UNHEATED honey? Are these things I can find in my local > health food store or farmer's market? > And where did you get this recipe originally? > > Thanks. > Jamie > > , Angls4Hope@ wrote: > > > > I buy a gallon of RAW organic milk....pour out a cup.....put 1 > heaping > > tablespoon of RAW organic UNHEATED honey and 1 tablespoon of Human > Acidophilus > > (you can get this from Pharmax online) I get mine from my > alternative > > doctor.....put the UNHEATED honey, MUST be UNHEATED in shaker > bottle and add the Human > > Acidophilus.....shake together until completely dissolved then pour > into the > > gallon of RAW ORGANIC milk....put in a warm dark place for 48 > hours.....then > > put in fridge. shake daily before pouring out what you want.....I > use it in > > SMOOTHIES OR I put a tablespoon of raw organic UNHEATED honey in a > pint > > jar.....pour in the Kefir, put in one raw organic egg....stir with > fork (do not > > shake) until all mixed together...put in a teaspoon of organic pure > vanilla, > > stir and drink....it tasted like an eggnog...yummmmmy.... > > > > DO NOT USE PASTERIZED MILK....it must be RAW ORGANIC > milk....healthy people > > drink a pint of Kefir made like this daily.... > > > > Angel Huggzzz > > Linda or Angel > > www.lymecommunity.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 For Vancouver B.C. residents, here is a contact, email: home_on_the_range where one can purchase 1/2 a share or more in a cow. Delicious - real stuff. The person's name is Alice. Claire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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