RAW MILK

May 15, 2003

Here is a link that lists what's happening in certain countries and

states regarding the sale of raw milk:

http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html

-Jo

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Thu, 15 May 2003 11:35:36 -0700 (PDT)

Katherine Huether <kohwriter

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I live in Germany, I never even looked into finding raw milk! I bet I

could. Do you know if they pasteurize milk in Germany?

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I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under the

strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible

cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the

first place.

JP

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" davehilty2003 " <davehilty2003

Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:11 AM

Raw milk

>

> Can anyone make any suggestions on the advisability of drinking raw

> milk and where would I find the laws regarding raw milk sales and use

> in the state of Indiana?

> Thanks for any help.

>

January 30, 2005

<<I suggest you avoid milk, period. Raw milk, assuming its produced under

the

strictest sanitary conditions, and derived from the healthiest possible

cows, is the best you can do with a product you shouldn't be drinking in the

first place.

JP>>

What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it doesn't

seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species. But

why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include one

(as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and make

kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic

fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but

without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with his

irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade and

came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir, stop

drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white

bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke (with

aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more medication

I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get!

Ulrike

16 October 2003 19:45:03

The Magic of Goat Milk

JoAnn Guest Jul 29, 2003 10:02 PDT

Everything was NOT " within normal range "

A doctor's odyssey from near-starvation, multiple chemical

sensitivitiesand anaphylactic shock to wellness . . . Naturally.

by Gloria Gilbère, N.D., D.A.Hom., Ph.D.

IMAGINE—AN ACCIDENT NEARLY TAKES YOUR LIFE.

THE DRUGS THAT SAVED YOUR LIFE ALMOST TOOK YOUR LIFE AND LEFT YOU

WITH

the subsequent after effects diagnosed as fibromyalgia, chronic

fatigue,

chronic insomnia, leaky gut syndrome and multiple chemical

sensitivities.

You struggle and keep looking to your physicians for answers but all

they can offer is more prescription drugs for muscle pain and spasms,

anti-depressants and sleeping pills.

You know that if one more medical doctor tells you " everything is

within

normal range " someone is going to get hurt. You now realize you're in

the same vicious cycle of " symptom-care " as so many of your clients.

IMAGINE—Your body is now resisting all food and supplements—over a

period of three months you lose 52 pounds and you become allergic to

everything in your environment. You suddenly react to familiar

cosmetics

you've used for years, other people's perfumes or anything

fragranced,

the exhaust of cars on the road, new paving, refueling your car, the

newer furnishings and rugs in your home and office.

Even the simple act of entering a store to buy groceries or being in

the

same office as a new computer or copier all trigger the same

life-threatening, terrifying response.

Just as serious are the unsuspecting odors in your vicinity because

although you're not sure what it is, it doesn't matter. It still

causes

an allergic reaction.

You know anaphylactic shock can kill; will the next allergic attack

be

your last?

IMAGINE—Your entire life and career are staring you in the face. You

remember all the clients you've consulted with and the horror

stories of

how their lives, and those of their loved ones, were shattered. You

search for healthy, natural products and locate several nutritional

items that facilitate reduction of your symptoms and eventually your

recovery.

People who know you, and watched your decline, now see your dramatic

improvement and ask what you did to conquer the invisible illnesses

that

nearly took your life.

This is not science fiction. It is a life, my life.

This is my odyssey from pain and near starvation to recovery. It has

been a long, arduous road but a journey well worth it for many

reasons.

Just as one specific incident did not cause my invisible illnesses,

one

specific product or therapy didn't provide all the answers.

However, I credit one group of products for speeding my recovery and

doing so without the allergic reactions experienced by previously

consumed nutritional supplementation.

HEALING—With a Lot of Help From My Friends, Four-legged Ones That Is

The Magic of Goat Milk

In 1998, at the peak of my illness, I resorted to a diet of freshly

juiced organic carrots, apples, ginger, broccoli and brown rice (a

diet

for surviving, not rebuilding).

Yes, I was avoiding allergic reactions; however, I lost my muscle

tone

and could not rebuild without minerals, electrolytes, protein and

probiotics.

All animal protein I tried caused the same reactions. However, I

remembered reading a book in 1994 by the late Dr. Bernard Jensen, a

world renowned nutritionist, and how milk supplied by a goat (his

goat's

name was Star) literally saved his life.

I then discovered a local source for fresh goat milk and other goat

milk

products and was pleasantly surprised that my body not only tolerated

them but I also assimilated the nutrients with ease. The immediate

health benefits were remarkable. Dr. Jensen was right!

Nature's Prescription Milk:

Goat's milk is most like human milk in composition and is praised

because it is readily digestible. Our bodies can digest goat's milk

in

just 20 minutes; conversely, it takes two to three hours to digest

cow's

milk.

Goat's milk is nutritionally balanced to nourish a kid (baby goat)

weight of six to nine pounds, about the same as that of a human baby.

Conversely, a dairy cow is designed to produce, maintain and fulfill

growth needs of one to two baby calves.

Like other milk-producing animals, the milk consistency (molecular

structure) is set up by nature to sustain life of its offspring— the

larger the animal the thicker and larger fat and protein molecules.

Milk

production from cows, provided by nature, is approximately 20–30

pounds

of milk per day.

Modern day cow milk production, with the injection of bovine growth

hormone during lactation, arti- ficially increased production to

approximately 80 pounds of milk per day. This produces a stressed

animal

and milk that is not readily accepted by human digestive systems.

The high nutritional quality and the greater ease of digestion of

goat

milk is what make it so effective in the prevention or reversal (as

in

my case) of disease.

The secret lies in its dual natural ability to be halfcleansing and

half-building.

Additionally, goat milk protein molecules are one-fifth smaller than

those of cow milk protein, a must for a compromised digestive system

and

liver.

Currently I use and recommend products made from goat's milk

produced in

farms owned by a family business in Chehalis, Washington.

They are not new at this; they've specialized in quality goat milk

products since 1928.

Their goats are never fed anything that contains pesticides,

herbicides, antibiotics or growth hormones, thus insuring the

integrity

of these magnificent animals' milk.

Goat's milk contains a unique essential balance of vitamins,

minerals,

proteins, carbohydrates, enzymes and fats—it is one of the few whole

foods that is actually able to sustain life.

Some doctors (and I'm one of them) call goat's milk and goat milk

products " prescription milk. "

It has gained this reputation because doctors and nutritionists

worldwide prescribe it for everything from infant colic to advanced

degenerative diseases.

Dr. William Lee Secor, a medical doctor from Kerrville, Texas,

wrote: " I

am a surgeon, restricting my practice to surgery, but since

discovering

the value of goat milk in the treatment of stomach and intestinal

ulcers,

I have not operated on a single ulcer case and this covers a period

of

more than a dozen years. "

Through my personal experience, research and in my practice, I have

found that goat's milk assists in the healing of certain diseases,

specifically ulcers, arthritis, rheumatism, IBS, Crohn's disease,

fibromyalgia, leaky gut syndrome, anxiety disorders, anorexia,

asthma,

food allergies and many other chronic disorders.

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JoAnn Guest

mrsjo-

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http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/AIM.html

January 31, 2005

Your husband may be diagnosed with irritable bowel.

However has anyone ever considered Acid Reflux or GERD?

Anything with caffeine (pops/sodas, teas, coffee);

sugars, and of course aspartame must be avoided.

Aspartame alone can cause a host of difficult symptoms.

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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:03:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) " Ulrike "

<ferretlove_uk writes:

What about the posts on this list that praise goats milk? I know it

doesn't

seem to be " natural " for a human to drink the milk of another species.

But

why then are there posts about how great goats milk is? I will include

one

(as an example), I hope that is allowed. I do drink raw goats milk and

make

kefir with it and it is the only thing so far that has helped my chronic

fatigue. I'm nowhere near as healthy as a person with normal energy but

without kefir I am a lot worse... The kefir also helped my husband with

his

irritable bowel, he'd been on codeine for the pain for at least a decade

and

came off the stuff for months. Then he decided to stop drinking kefir,

stop

drinking freshly made juice and he swapped the wholemeal bread for white

bread. He started putting sugar in tea again and drinks lots of coke

(with

aspartame). Guess what, he's back on the codeine and a load more

medication

I don't get it and it's really frustrating! How stupid can you get!

Ulrike

January 31, 2005

I think raw milk, cow or goat, is delightful. It's one of the most

delicious beverages I've ever tried in my life. But I avoid it. It's

useless to argue the issue at this level on this site. But, if you look

over the arguments for and against the use of milk from various farm

animals, I suspect, though I'm not sure, you'll find yourself on the side of

the opponents. Yogurts and Kefirs have a somewhat, though not much, better

reputation.

If the comparison here is between raw milk and coca cola, milk wins in a

flash. Each time we depart from wholesome eating, the consequences take a

shorter and shorter time to overwhelm us, until, finally, we cannot regain

our health at all. Such things as coke, sugar, white bread, etc., are not

" foods, " they're make-believe foods; poisons, in fact.

JP

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" Ulrike " <ferretlove_uk

Sunday, January 30, 2005 3:03 PM

Re: Raw milk