Gestational diabetes: please suggestanyremedy

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> Re: Gestational diabetes: please suggestanyremedy

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> Posted by: " muzumdar " dahpc dbm2110

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> Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:27 am (PST)

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> Dear

> Whatever has been mentioned by me is after eighteen years of my

> clinical practice in Ayurveda, after my post-graduation.

> I mentioned many aspects of Ayurvedic outlook to signify its

> originality and vastness and accomodativeness. My observations are

> somehow not thoroughly investigated and comprehended by you in your

> present understanding about Ayurveda. I wish you would have gone

> more deeper instead of reacting instantaneously.

 

dear dr muzumdar

 

first off we should remember that this is a friendly debate and that

you and i shouldn't take anything personally

 

although you accuse me of reacting without thought, i feel that you

haven't really addressed my arguments but only answered them

generally and mostly as an appeal to authority, which can't really be

a subject of debate at all unless we both accept the infallibility of

the authority, which in this case i do not because i have doubts that

have not been adequately addressed

 

> Anyway, you are always free to put up your arguments.

> I can assure you that we still work on the classical protocol of

> Ayurveda and it is still not defunct.

 

goodness me! i never used the words defunct!!

what i have been doing is following a logical line of argument to

which you haven't answered, that:

1. india has probably had the longest history of diabetes of any

region, and this is significant in a dietary context

2. that oft recommended dietary approaches for diabetes in ayurveda

may actually promote the underlying metabolic syndrome

3. that diabetes in non-Indian populations may be in large part

caused by factors not anticipated by traditional or classical ayurveda

 

i have provided significant evidence of these arguments that have not

been adequately addressed by your comments, except as an appeal to

authority

 

> By the way, we are also taught the prevalent modern views and

> methods of treatment in our courses; so are aware of both the sides.

 

the science behind the main thrust of my argument has only been

recently " discovered " (i.e. metabolic syndrome), and in most cases

even what is taught at medical universities _today_ is a version that

has been heavily tampered with by pharmaceutical thinking, so unless

you keep abreast of the literature then you probably weren't taught

this at all when you went to school 18 years ago

 

please note that my argument isn't with ayurveda, its the application

of its principles in a non-indian context

 

best... todd caldecott

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Dear

If my explanations sound of some kind of authority, it is beyond my conscious

effort. It has been experienced that many use the name of Ayurveda to suit their

own ideas and I certainly oppose this stand. And the second point is that I have

not taken anything personally, nor have I anything against you, or I would not

have extended you my invitation to meet whenever you come to India. Do you

recollect?

 

You feel that your doubts are still unaddressed, so a brief note --

1) As India had a very rich tradition and food culture, India has not only a

longest history of diabetes, but also of many other diseases. That's the reason

they find mention in Ayurvedic scripts.

2) Many times the dietary approach of other types of Pramehas are used in

management of Madhumeha (diabetes) and hence the confusion. Diet of Madhumeha

will not promote the underlying metabolic syndrome.

3) Have you read the causative factors from Ayurvedic scripts in detail to come

to the conclusion that they are not applicable in non-Indians?

 

And, I would also like to remind you that no doctor uses stale knowledge. We do

keep ourselves abreast with all the latest happenings and findings in the

medical world. Not each and every medical finding is biased or influenced by

pharmaceuticals.So whatever I am talking is not_Eighteen_years_old version . And

again, it is a wrong observation of my statement. I have eighteen years of

clinical practice suggests that I have finished Eighteen years of my independant

consultation practice till today. And I am not counting my college and

post-graduation period in this at all, that will be again eight years in

addition to the eighteen years. That can definitely sum up to a substantial

period of 26 years.

 

I have mentioned all the references in my earlier mails for application

purposes. If you have those texts , do go through them along with the Samhitas,

one_by_one so that you will ( Yes, not may), I repeat you will find answers of

your doubts about diabetes.

 

It is the wrong interpretations of Ayurveda by the non-Indians that are

creating doubts about Ayurveda the world over, and I don't wish this to happen

as a life-time student of Ayurveda.

 

And for proper and real application of Ayurveda, you will need a proper GURU who

can induct you in understanding Ayurveda properly and in detail.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar.

M.D.Ayurvedic Medicine (MUMBAI-INDIA)

< dahpc >

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<snip>

1. india has probably had the longest history of diabetes of any

region, and this is significant in a dietary context

2. that oft recommended dietary approaches for diabetes in ayurveda

may actually promote the underlying metabolic syndrome

3. that diabetes in non-Indian populations may be in large part

caused by factors not anticipated by traditional or classical ayurveda

<snip>

the science behind the main thrust of my argument has only been

recently " discovered " (i.e. metabolic syndrome), and in most cases

even what is taught at medical universities _today_ is a version that

has been heavily tampered with by pharmaceutical thinking, so unless

you keep abreast of the literature then you probably weren't taught

this at all when you went to school 18 years ago

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Dear

Which vaidyas did you meet to evaluate your herbs according to their rasa,

veerya etc.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

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yes, I have been doing this for 10 years - in fact, i took herb

samples from canada (constituents of two coastal salishan (first

nations) formulas that were traditionally used to treat very serious

diseases, including tuberculosis and gastric cancer) to india in 1997

and tested many different vaidyas to get their input on rasa, virya

etc., but as can be expected their experience was only an inference

and many weren't confident in their assessment

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pls someone tell me what this " India had a very rich tradition and food

culture, India has not only a longest history of diabetes " means. it's because

this was first described there or it's because this disease has a significant

bigger incidence there?

 

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1) As India had a very rich tradition and food culture, India has not only a

longest history of diabetes, but also of many other diseases.

 

2) Many times the dietary approach of other types of Pramehas are used in

management of Madhumeha (diabetes) and hence the confusion. Diet of Madhumeha

will not promote the underlying metabolic syndrome.

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these were kerala vaidyas in coimbatore in 1996

drs. vasudevan, gangadharan, hari and several other names will have

to search my brain to remember

 

herbs were from two coastal salishan formulas, here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

 

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Which vaidyas did you meet to evaluate your herbs according to

their rasa, veerya etc.

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

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> You feel that your doubts are still unaddressed, so a brief note --

> 1) As India had a very rich tradition and food culture, India has

> not only a longest history of diabetes, but also of many other

> diseases. That's the reason they find mention in Ayurvedic scripts.

 

dear dr muzumdar

 

we agree on the point that diabetes has a very long history in india,

but we disagree on its significance

your argument is that india is an ancient culture, and thus it is

natural for it to have experience with a large number of diseases

 

while we agree that india has a long history of chronic disease and

not just diabetes, is this something that should be lauded? from

another perspective, is this not an indictment against the dietary

aesthetic of civilized culture, esp. when these types of chronic

disease simply DO NOT OCCUR in less civilized cultures?

 

doesn't the indian experience suggest that chronic disease is in

large part an artifact of civilization? does ayurved then suggest

that we must accept chronic disease, merely to satisfy the dominant

dietary aesthetic? does ayurveda exist for the purpose of

maintaining the status quo, or is it actually a preventative system

of medicine that gets to the core issue of a problem, and can

accommodate experiences outside of indian culture, particularly when

it aims to treat non-indians?

 

 

> 2) Many times the dietary approach of other types of Pramehas are

> used in management of Madhumeha (diabetes) and hence the confusion.

> Diet of Madhumeha will not promote the underlying metabolic syndrome.

 

i was clear that there is an issue of interpretation, and did not say

that it necessarily promotes metabolic syndrome, but that nowadays

the dietary emphasis of most ayurvedic physicians is a high-carb

vegetarian approach that facilitates insulin resistance / metabolic

syndrome

 

you tell us that vegetarianism has nothing to do with ayurveda and i

heartily agree - you are the only other ayurvedic practitioner

besides myself and dr vidhyasagar on this list that has ever

advocated this perspective, so i welcome your view lending support to

this important notion

 

 

> 3) Have you read the causative factors from Ayurvedic scripts in

> detail to come to the conclusion that they are not applicable in

> non-Indians?

>

 

what i stated dr muzumdar, was that there are causative factors that

have not been anticipated in classical ayurveda, such as genetic

intolerance to certain grains and dairy, or significant genetic

differences in human metabolism that have resulted from different

climatic and geographical factors

 

i have also provided you with evidence of a hunter-gatherer culture

on the west coast of British Columbia that ate a diet very unfamiliar

to india and ayurveda, who when they adopted an agrarian diet, have

gone on to develop an extremely high rate of diabetes

 

based on this example, my question to you, again, is how could an

agrarian-based diet as per ayurveda be the solution to these people's

diabetes, when it was the _cause_ in the first place?

 

as for the authentic scripts, my suggestion is that when you have

time that you render the referred passages in english with your

understanding of sanskrit for the erudition of the list so we can

discuss them transparently, without any worry of mistranslation

interfering with the debate

 

btw, i was just reading " Ayurvedic Clinical Medicine " by the Dr. AV

Kumar who forwards the argument that the entire spectrum of prameha

can in fact be equated diabetes mellitus, and that to consider only

madhumeha as diabetes is wrong:

 

" Thus it is established by these observations that Prameha is one

disease and the manifestations of different types of sub-types are

duration orientated " (p 355)

 

so again we have this matter of interpretation, even with sanskrit

comprehension

 

perhaps dr kumar did not have a guru, but then again college-trained

ayurvedic physicians today don't follow the traditional guru-shishya

model either, and traditional vaidyas can be very scathing about such

training...

 

note that i am not saying i agree with him either!

 

 

> And, I would also like to remind you that no doctor uses stale

> knowledge. We do keep ourselves abreast with all the latest

> happenings and findings in the medical world. Not each and every

> medical finding is biased or influenced by pharmaceuticals.So

> whatever I am talking is not_Eighteen_years_old version .

 

i must have misundrstood you - i thought you suggested that you

studied metabolic syndrome in your training

as a clinical syndrome it has only made its way in the medical

curriculum as a point of practice in the last decade (defined by the

WHO in 1998)

 

best...

 

Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG)

Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist

203 - 1750 East 10th Ave

Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA

web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com

email: todd

tel: (1)778.896.8894

fax: (1)866.703.2792

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ayurveda , criiii dum <dumicita wrote:

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> pls someone tell me what this " India had a very rich tradition and

food culture, India has not only a longest history of diabetes " means.

it's because this was first described there or it's because this

disease has a significant bigger incidence there?

>

 

Type 1 diabetes is seen everywhere in the world even in the most

traditional cultures but type 2 diabetes is basically a disease of

luxury. In my home place in Mallapurrum district of Kerala type 2

diabetes is not common among traditional people especially those who

avoid sweet foods, bread, idli, and dosa (all refined flours and

sugars)but as families move up on the economic scales they start

eating in the modern manner and diabetes becomes common. The middle

class in Kerala has the same incidence of diabetes as any modern

society. Type 2 diabetes used to be a disease mainly of elderly people

and those with chronic liver and or pancreas disease (like

pancreatitis and cirrhosis)now insulin resistance is becoming very

common in those who eat plenty of sugar and white flour products, take

less fiber containing foods, and eat plenty of hydrogenated fats

(example in Kerala people traditionally used natural coconut oils for

cooking now they use refined coconut and other oils). The traditonal

vegetarian diet of the upper castes - which uses red rice and avoids

white flour and refined sugar does not create Insulin Resistance - but

as soon as sugar, white flour and such items are introduced to the

kitchen diabetes starts developing. One Dr Karup from the south

specializes in diabetes and he has told me that the incidence of

diabetes among the Malayalees is increasing yearly. For those patients

the best thing they can do for themselves is to stop eating sugar (!)

and other rapidly digesting carbohydrates, add plenty of fiber

containing foods, and only use natural unrefined oils from coconut,

gingelly, and groundnut. The more luxurious diet is the greater chance

to develop diabetes - diabetes does not easily develop in those who

eat simple natural foods. My cousin told me that her children have

developed a taste for idli with sugar syrup for breakfast (along with

sweet tea or sweetened milk)- I told her she should discourage this as

the children are setting themselves up for hypoglycemia (which they

already have since they lose there energy in mid morning) which will

eventually lead to hyperglycemia if not corrected. Besides diet-

exercise is the best way to resinsitize the insulin receptor sites. I

have observed that those who try to resolve insulin resistance with

herbs without altering diet do not have much success.

 

Dr.Vinod Kumar

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On 22-Sep-07, at 2:20 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Re: Gestational diabetes: please suggestanyremedy

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> Posted by: " Vinod Kumar " vinod3x3 vinod3x3

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> Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:49 pm (PST)

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> ayurveda , criiii dum <dumicita

> wrote:

> >

> > pls someone tell me what this " India had a very rich tradition and

> food culture, India has not only a longest history of diabetes " means.

> it's because this was first described there or it's because this

> disease has a significant bigger incidence there?

> >

>

> Type 1 diabetes is seen everywhere in the world

 

type one diabetes is indeed global, but its incidence is not equally

distributed, and is something of a problem for epidemiologists to

nail down

one things is clear: incidence increases with distance from the

equator, which is the same for other autoimmune disorders such as MS

 

vitamin D deficiencies are one obvious factor, but gluten-containing

foods and dairy consumption are other associated environmental factors

 

 

> In my home place in Mallapurrum district of Kerala type 2

> diabetes is not common among traditional people especially those who

> avoid sweet foods, bread, idli, and dosa (all refined flours and

> sugars)but as families move up on the economic scales they start

> eating in the modern manner and diabetes becomes common.

 

it is indeed ironic that these south indian junk foods are promoted

as being healthy - this was the standard fare at the canteen in the

Ayurvedic hospital i studied at

 

> The middle

> class in Kerala has the same incidence of diabetes as any modern

> society. Type 2 diabetes used to be a disease mainly of elderly people

> and those with chronic liver and or pancreas disease (like

> pancreatitis and cirrhosis)now insulin resistance is becoming very

> common in those who eat plenty of sugar and white flour products, take

> less fiber containing foods, and eat plenty of hydrogenated fats

> (example in Kerala people traditionally used natural coconut oils for

> cooking now they use refined coconut and other oils). The traditonal

> vegetarian diet of the upper castes - which uses red rice and avoids

> white flour and refined sugar does not create Insulin Resistance

 

more evidence for the benefits of traditional dietary patterns, which

should be practiced by all peoples, based on their ancestry and climate

 

> eventually lead to hyperglycemia if not corrected. Besides diet-

> exercise is the best way to resinsitize the insulin receptor sites. I

> have observed that those who try to resolve insulin resistance with

> herbs without altering diet do not have much success.

 

correct!

even in confirmed diabetics immediate on the spot exercising is

highly effective to eliminate episodic hyperglycemia

for this purpose, muscle-building type exercise (i.e. physical labor)

is the most effective

 

Caldecott, Dip. Cl.H, RH(AHG)

Ayurvedic practitioner, Medical Herbalist

203 - 1750 East 10th Ave

Vancouver, BC V5N 5K4 CANADA

web: http//:www.toddcaldecott.com

email: todd

tel: (1)778.896.8894

fax: (1)866.703.2792

[Guest guest]

Besides diet-

> > exercise is the best way to resinsitize the insulin receptor sites. I

> > have observed that those who try to resolve insulin resistance with

> > herbs without altering diet do not have much success.

 

For some reason many of the basic facts of type 2 diabetes are

forgotten by many. What is the major population group that develops

type 2 diabetes? It occurs in those cultures in which people have very

little physical activity and this combined with excess of diet for

energy and repair needs means that millions of people eat many times

more calories than they need - such people have large amounts of

nutrients circulating in the blood that are not used in repair and

energy - this means excess carbohydrates, proteins, and fats - this

excess nutrition creates much mischief in the body. Leaving aside the

fact of stress on the liver and other organs such excess nutrition

creates - the important issue in regard to diabetes is the damage done

to the Isle of Langerhans (the insulin producing cells in the

pancreas) and to the Insulin receptor sites in all tissues.

 

When the blood has excess sugar the pancreas releases Insulin but if

the cells do not need the sugar for energy then the cells can not use

it - and one is left with high amounts of circulating unused sugars

and Insulin - yet because there is so much sugar present the pancreas

keeps on releasing more Insulin - the cells only have one way to deal

with this excess - the Insulin receptor sites shut down - this is

Insulin Resistance - if this becomes bad enough it will develop into

hypoglycemia - and if this continues on (many people eat large amounts

of rapidly digesting carbs throughout the day) the pancreas will

become exhausted and we will develop hyperglycemia because Insulin

production is depleted and we have Insulin Resisitance - this is type

2 diabetes. Breaking of that pattern can be done but it is not easy

especially if Insulin production has become severely exhausted.

 

Obviously the logical starting point for resolving this viscious cycle

is to stop eating that excess of carbs. In fact there is no scope to

cure this disease if one is not able to stop eating large amounts of

excess carbs. Excess means more carbs than the body can possibly use -

eventually this excess gets converted into fat (the major cause of

obesity in modern people)but before it does it creates havoc

throughout the body. This excess circulating sugar is implicated in

many of the most serious diseases of modern society - since it is the

major player in the development of Ama (excess sugars and proteins

form into agglutinated substances through the glycation process - this

is mucus)- this Ama collects acids and other toxins and poisons the

blood and all tissues - metabolism is inhibited locally and generally

- setting us up for many disease processes like heart disease (local

sclerosis-but this sclerosis is occuring not just in the heart but

throughout the body) - the liver is stressed by this process as are

all organs and tissues - this sticky substance (Ama) coats the

mitochondia inteferring with metabolism creating generalized

mitochondria disease which is the cause of the world wide epedimic of

non thyroid hypometabolism - a very common syndrome in modern people-

many individuals have severe hypometabolism (low body temperature and

high acid conditions-caused by severely compromised metabolism). This

is the underlying mechanism in many diseases of ineffecient metabolism

like many so called autoimmune processes, sclerosis, Alzheimer's, etc.

When the cells function ineffeciently becuase of this accumulation of

a thick sticky substance (Ama)- then every cell is effected. If severe

stasis develops in any group of cells then severe errors in metabolism

can occur leaving us open to the development of diseases like cancer.

 

Excess carbs of all kinds but especially those that are rapidly

digesting are a major contributing factor in the creation of all of

this havoc. These disease syndromes are all related to excess food,

ineffecient digestion, pollution of the blood, etc. The solution of

this problem is simple in theory - simply stop taking all of this

excess nutrition - but because of addictions to sugars -the Ama has

created fatigue and some take sugars in a futile attempt to give more

energy-but as sugar addicts know it does not matter how many rapidly

digesting carbs one takes it does not solve the energy problems in any

way in fact in the long run it makes the problems worse. Human body is

not meant to process thousands of excess calories every day year after

year - it eventually will destroy us. This issue is obviously more

important in those who are lethargic and who do little physical

activity and or who are overweight. If we exercise we first use up

some of that excess for energy but also exercise makes the cells

function more effeciently breaking the problem at the Insulin Receptor

sites - thus helping to resolve Insulin Resistance.

 

Dr Vinod Kumar

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talkig about the major population group that develops type 2 diabetes, i notised

that in this " group " (i spent some time working in a diabetes clinic) there are

the people most reluctant people regarding diet. they are very attached to " the

pleasures of life " which for them are mainly represented by sweets, fat food ,

junk food, relaxation and generally the diet and life style opposed to the one

recomanded to treat diabetes. i guess most can recognise here the excess of

sweet taste in the mental level of this people expressed at material level as

excess of glucose in blood. this people are also having a life style and diet

that is increasing the levels of cholesterol and triglicerides by itself, not to

mention the already disturbed methabolism of fats induced by diabetes, exposing

them even more to high risk of cardio-vascular diseases. in the same time they

reject bitter plants which are very helpfull for their condition.

 

i had some good results using gudmar (gymnema sylvestre) which is not only

reducing the blood sugar level, but also, the most important, is inhibiting the

tongue receptors for sweet taste, so if we eat something sweet even 4-6 hours

after chewing this plant, it will taste like sawdust. still it is a hard work to

induce discipline, self control, detachment and austerity in most people with

type 2 diabetes.

 

this plant is only an example i chosed for its special effect on tongue

receptors. my point is the mental pattern of people with type 2 diabetes.

 

the participation of stress in the pathogenesys is also interesting. the stress

is inducing many effects on people. we know that stress hormones are elevating

the blood sugar level, but they are also increasing the methabolism rate,

" burning " this sugar. in order to disbalance the body parametres, the amount of

stress should be above the posibilities of the adaptive mechanisms. why this

people respond to increased stress by hiperglycemia while other people respond

in different manner? (i even met hypoglycemic during stressfull periods in a

vata person)

 

 

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What is the major population group that develops

type 2 diabetes? It occurs in those cultures in which people have very

little physical activity and this combined with excess of diet for

energy and repair needs

- this means excess carbohydrates, proteins, and fats - this

excess nutrition creates much mischief in the body.

[Guest guest]

> Re: Gestational diabetes: please suggestanyremedy

> Posted by: " Vinod Kumar " vinod3x3 vinod3x3

> Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:08 pm (PST)

 

> cooking now they use refined coconut and other oils). The traditonal

> vegetarian diet of the upper castes - which uses red rice and avoids

> white flour and refined sugar does not create Insulin Resistance - but

 

what does caste have to do with this? how is the traditional shudra

diet any worse?

the traditional diet of just about every peoples on the planet does

not cause insulin resistance, and most aren't even close to the

official " brahmin " diet

 

the question at hand is if every traditional diet is appropriate

across the board to every people, and if religious dictums have a

role to play in the theory ayurvedic dietary therapy

 

 

> Vaidya BP Nanal used to often make the point that there is no Ayurveda

> without Sanskrit - and that those who would study Ayurveda should

> first know Sanskrit. I heard him once give several examples of how

> improper understanding of Sanskrit grammer has created errors in

> interpretation of scriptures.

 

this is the way it is and has always been, but it doesn't stop these

truths from being rediscovered as i demonstrated very clearly in my

paper on samuel thomson

 

as samuel thomson knew well, improper understanding arises when you

refuse to regard the wisdom in your relationship with the five

senses, and rely upon a book or a collection of verses instead

 

it is what happens when you refuse to regard the wisdom that plays

itself out in the rising of the sun, the cycles of the moon, the bud

of the leaf and the last whisper of the dying - when you fail to

fully immerse yourself in the knowledge of THIS, not an exported

fascimile of what its supposed be like

 

the big deception is that ayurveda is difficult to understand! that

is just what they tell you to protect their knowledge, to lead others

astray from truth, to confuse you with complex arguments based on

questionable logic to rationalize and elevate cultural prejudice as a

fundamental principle of knowledge

 

you can spend your life in a book or reciting mantras and be no wiser

- many great pandits are learned but end up at the feet of an

enlightened fisherwoman

 

why did lord buddha speak in pali? because sanskrit was irrelevant to

the universal truth he was enunciating, just like sanskrit is

fundamentally irrelevant to the universal truth of ayurveda

 

this is not to say that we should not investigate and deepen our

knowledge of this great repository of knowledge of ayurveda in india

with over 5000 years of empirical knowledge it remains a massive

repository of knowledge

but as vast as it is, it is not the only source of knowledge nor

insight into practical application of the _universal_ principles of

ayurveda

 

cristine mentioned how difficult it is to store all this knowledge in

your brain - this is not what is expected!! the knowledge should be

there as a living form, available and adaptable to time and

circumstance, cutting through the obstruction of grammar and language

to arrive an authentic experience of truth

 

it is a historical inaccuracy to suggest that ayurveda was the

preserve of a certain class or category of people - there is much

evidence to suggest that the actual vaidyas of ancient times existed

on the margins of society where caste was irrelevant, in tattered

cloth, hair full of twigs and fingers dirty and rough from digging

the soil

 

unfortunately it was successive foreign invasions that dramatically

reduced the natural heterogenecity of indian culture, and this great

knowledge became enshrined as " classical " ayurveda and the hereditary

preserve of the most orthodox caste

 

the knowledge of ayurveda vibrates at a certain level that is

attainable by all

you can travel around the world and be no wiser until you return home

to see that the whole world is found where you began

 

as Sivavakkiyar says

 

duramduram duramenru solluvarkal sombarkal

paruvinnu mengumay parandadip paraparam

urunadu kadutedi uzanruvadum umaikal

neradaha ummule arindunarndu kollume

 

It’s far, far away, say the lazy ones

But the Transcendent is also Immanent in Everything

You idiots, who search for It here, there, and everywhere

Simply look inside and be aware of your Self

 

 

> This is the reason why many of those students end up

> establishing their practices as a kind of 'masala' of Naturapathy,

> Ayurveda, TCM, and other practices. They have not mastered any of

> those desciplines - but just throw in this and that without actually

> having a scientific model for doing any of that.

 

there is a problem yes, but its six of one or a half a dozen of the

other depending on your perspective

if people sought knowledge for the sake of this only, then we would

in large part have solved the problem

but people now acquire knowledge like a fashion accessory

 

but rather than finding too much problem, we can also see that the

term " masala " is a metaphor for the way life actually is, and if you

really believed otherwise then why discuss ayurveda on an internet

site? why try to rationalize an ayurvedic understanding of diabetes

within a western physiological context? because despite what you say

you still appear to like your " sambar " a little spicy

 

 

todd caldecott