Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Dear I am glad that we are going into the depths of Ayurvedic approach. Re : Low carb diet in daibetes I thought I put forth this point in my earlier mail where I said that in Ayurveda whatever food items are recommended have moderate amounts of carbohydrates as well as proteins. This diet includes more of cereals, pulses as well as vegetables. Food items strictly to be avoided are all meats excluding Jaangala variety (Animals from dry,arid regions), milks of all animals mentioned in Ayurveda(eight in numbers), newer cereals ( those not stored for at least a period of six months to one year), jaggery and its derivatives(sugars, sweets,etc). Incidentally these foods are themselves also enumerated as causative factors. The specific food items mentioned are pulses like green gram and others, bitter vegetables,, old shali rice, atasi (linseed) oil, mustard oil, shashtik rice, trunadhaanya (cereals of lower grade like millets etc), barley and honey. For those who are meat-eaters, soups of flesh of vishkira and pratood variety of birds may be useful. The reference is Charaka Samhita Chikitsa chapter 6 shloka 19, 20, 21.I feel that collaborating this data on carbohydrate-protein-fat grid will give you a fair idea of Ayurvedic diet towards patients of Prameha in general which also includes Madhumeha (diabetes mellitus) Re : Factors affecting health and disease in modern perspective of atmospteric pollution and chemical contaminants Ayurveda broadly classifies causes of diseases in three parts - 1) Asaatmendriyaarth Sanyoga ie excess of strain and stress to sensory and motor organs, 2) Pradnyaaparaadh ie doing mistakes knowingly and 3) Parinaam ie atmospheric or environmental effects. The third portion of environmental vitiation is explained in more detail in Janapadodhvansa issue. Here bad effects on living beings due to vitiated / polluted land, water, air and time are enlisted. This treatise is in Charaka Samhita Vimaan Sthana chapter 3. Re : Effects of urban life, fast food and lack of exercise The ill-effects of urban life with its specific effects on each dhatu and the health as whole is discussed in Rasayana issue in Charaka Samhita Chikitsa Sthana chapter 1part 2 shloka 3. I am not explaining all of that matter as it will consume a lot of space. It can be a topic of seperate discussion. Re : Subtle shifts in disease manifest and efficacy of various treatments Disease manifestations depend on dooshya (bodily elements like rasa,rakta etc), desha (land/country), bala (strength/ immunity), kala(time), agni, prakruti, age, mental strenth and food compatabilities. As the food patterns have changed, the soil-water-air axis is getting more and more polluted, there is bound to be changes in manifest, but they will be subtle and not gross. That means the Ayurvedic classification stays pretty constant. Efficacy of herbs will always be proportional to the land they are cultivated in and the host response of human body. But the basic gunas (attributes) and karmas (therapeutic effects) are the same till today. Ginger has not shifted to the properties of turmeric or turmeric shifted to garlic. The properties of all the herbs mentioned are still the same. Re ; Prameha progression Prameha is a broad gruop of twenty syndromes related with polyuria and haziness in urine as their prime symptoms.The prodromal symptoms are described in detail. These same prodromal symptoms stay to become main symptoms. According to dictums in Sutra Sthana, if the prodromal symptoms continue then the disease becomes more difficult to treat or becomes a life time companion. There are known as Upadravas (complications) of Pramehas. Vataja Pramehas eventually tranform into Madhumeha. Even Madhumeha has Beeja dosha (heredity) as one of its causative factors. The main body factors involved are Mamsa (musle) and Meda (fats) besides other seven constituents. You can read more detais about this in Charaka Samhita Chikitsa Sthana chapter 6. You will find many similarities with modern concepts of diabetes. And if you are saying of Ayurvedic doctors having truncal obesity, each one is entitled to one's own health. It would be like saying that eye specialists should never need spects or all cardiologists should have a very strong and healthy heart. Are we morally authorised to comment on this? Re : Global aspects of Ayurveda, food, medicinal herbs and rutucharya. Ayurveda has covered areas from Egypt, Africa in west to China and far east according to references available in texts. Ayurveda has always been liberal in giving varied choices in food and medicine according to the availability in the given desha (land / country).This becomes evident from Charaka Samhita Sutra Sthana chapter 4 shloka 20 (regarding herbs) and chapter 27 shloka 329 & 330 (regarding food items). There are six rutus (seasons) described in Rutucharya. There are specific environmental signatures given and a specific food protocol is advised to avoid from falling ill. Ayurveda has never insisted that all 6 seasons should occur in all parts of the world. The seasonal variations were the different exhibits to present the food protocol. If you don't have Sharad in Canada, you need not follow Sharad protocol. If you have prolonged Shishir, you may follow that protocol.This is called as Oka-saatmya (homologaton). The reference is Charaka Samhita Sutra Sthana chapter 6 shloka 49 & 50. Re : Vegeterianism and Non-vegeterianism That must be your personal experience. The view is basically Brahmanical and not Indian to be frank. And Ayurveda has no prejudice over meat eating. Not only in health, but Ayurveda has also advocated meats in certain diseases, Prameha being one of those described above. I may have left out some points inadvertantly, we can discuss them one by one thread-bare. I would definitely like to take a walk in the forests of Canada along with you. In the same breath, I would invite you to India to spend some days with me to grasp the total grandeur and splendour of Ayurveda along with all its nuances and details. I have given all the references so that all the concerned will understand the real Ayurveda and remove their personal mis-conceptions. You can cross-check them with yor Nepali counterpart. I always believed in dancing over the issue and not around it. Always at the service of Ayurveda and mankind DR.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayurvedic Medicine (INDIA) < dahpc > ____________ i was hoping to also receive your comments with regard to my point about the low carb approach in diabetes, but for now will content myself to discussing the following... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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