Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Today on the National News here in Melbourne they showed results from a trial for a new arthritis treatment - wonderful results - they showed nothing to indicate the lifestyle changes which would improve arthritic conditions - the treatment comprised the pain killer Tramal - with known side-effects especially for anyone on anti-depressants and other psyche drugs - and another non-specified drug which was merely described as an anti-inflammatory. The article below showed me again that I am not alone in my perceptions of disease - and that many of us are not alone in not being governed by Big Pharm. ( posted from another list) There is no Disease by Robert O. Young Disease names like diabetes and osteoporosis are misleading and misinform patients about disease prevention. There is a curious tendency in conventional medicine to name a set of symptoms a disease. I was recently at a compounding pharmacy having my bone mineral density measured to update my health stats. I spotted a poster touting a new drug for osteoporosis. It was written by a drug company and it said exactly this: 'Osteoporosis is a disease that causes weak and fragile bones.' Then, the poster went on to say that you need a particular drug to counteract this 'disease.' Yet the language is all backwards. Osteoporosis isn't a disease that causes weak bones, osteoporosis is the name given to a diagnosis of weak bones. In other words, the weak bones are the result of excess acidity, and then the diagnosis of osteoporosis followed. The drug poster makes it sound like osteoporosis strikes first, and then you get weak bones. The cause and effect is all backwards. And that's how drug companies want people to think about diseases and symptoms: first you 'get' the disease, and then you are 'diagnosed' just in time to take a new drug for the rest of your life. But it's all hogwash. There is no such disease as osteoporosis. It's just a made-up name given to a pattern of symptoms that indicate you are over-acid which causes your bones to get fragile. As another example, when a person follows an unhealthy lifestyle that results in a symptom such as high blood pressure, that symptom is actually being assumed to be a disease all by itself and it will be given a disease name. What disease? The disease is, of course, 'high blood pressure.' Doctors throw this phrase around as if it were an actual disease and not merely descriptive of patient physiology. This may all seem silly, right? But there's actually a very important point to all this. When we look at symptoms and give them disease names, we automatically distort the selection of available treatments for such a disease. If the disease is, by itself, high cholesterol, then the cure for the disease must be nothing other than lowering the high cholesterol. And that's how we end up with all these pharmaceuticals treating high cholesterol in order to 'prevent' this disease and lower the levels of LDL cholesterol in the human patient. By lowering only the cholesterol, the doctor can rest assured that he is, in fact, treating this 'disease,' since the definition of this 'disease' is high cholesterol and nothing else. But there is a fatal flaw in this approach to disease treatment: the symptom is not the cause of the disease. There is another cause, and this deeper cause is routinely ignored by conventional medicine, doctors, drug companies, and even patients. Let's take a closer look at high blood pressure. What actually causes high blood pressure? Many doctors would say high blood pressure is caused by a specific, measurable interaction between circulating chemicals in the human body. Thus, the ill-behaved chemical compounds are the cause of the high blood pressure, and therefore the solution is to regulate these chemicals. That's exactly what pharmaceuticals do -- they attempt to manipulate the chemicals in the body to adjust the symptoms of high blood pressure. Thus, they only treat the symptoms, not the root cause. Or take a look at high cholesterol. The conventional medicine approach says that high cholesterol is caused by a chemical imbalance in the liver, which is the organ that produces cholesterol. Thus the treatment for high cholesterol is a prescription drug that inhibits the liver's production of cholesterol (statin drugs). Upon taking these drugs, the high cholesterol (the 'disease') is regulated, but what was causing the liver to overproduce cholesterol in the first place? That causative factor remains ignored. The root cause of high cholesterol, as it turns out, is primarily an over acidic diet. A person who eats foods that are acidic will inevitably cause the body to go into preservation mode and produce more cholesterol to neutralize the excess acid thus showing the symptoms of this so-called disease of high cholesterol. Its simple cause and effect. Eat the wrong foods, and you'll produce too much acid which will cause the body to release cholesterol from the liver to bind up that acid which can be detected and diagnosed by conventional medical procedures. You see it is not the cholesterol that is bad it is the acid producing food we eat that is bad. Reduce the acid producing foods like beef, chicken, pork, dairy, coffee, tea, soda pops, etc and you will reduce the protective cholesterol that is saving your life from excess acid foods. Yet the root cause of all this is actually poor food choice, not some bizarre behavior by the liver. If the disease were to be accurately named, then, it would be called Acidic Food Choice Disease, or simply AFCD. AFCD would be a far more accurate name that would make sense to people. If it's an acidic foods choice disease, then it seems that the obvious solution to the disease would be to choose foods that aren't so acidic. Of course that may be a bit of simplification since you have to distinguish between healthy alkaline foods and unhealthy acidic foods. But at least the name AFCD gives patients a better idea of what's actually going on rather than naming the disease after a symptom, such as high cholesterol. You see, the symptom is not the disease, but conventional medicine insists on calling the symptom the disease because that way it can treat the symptom and claim success without actually addressing the underlying cause, which remains a mystery to modern medicine. But let's move on to some other diseases so you get a clearer picture of how this actually works. Another disease that's caused by poor acidic food choice is diabetes. Type 2 diabetes is the natural physiological and metabolic result of a person consuming refined carbohydrates and added sugars in large quantities, undigested proteins from beef, chicken, and pork without engaging in regular physical exercise that would compensate for such dietary practices. The name 'diabetes' is meaningless to the average person. The disease should be called Excessive Acid Disease, or EAD. If it were called Excessive Acid Disease, the solution to it would be rather apparent; simply eat less sugar, eliminate all animal proteins, eggs, dairy, drink fewer soft drinks and so on. But of course that would be far too simple for the medical community, so the disease must be given a complex name such as diabetes that puts its solution out of reach of the average patient. Another disease that is named after its symptom is cancer. In fact, to this day, most doctors and many patients still believe that cancer is a physical thing: a tumor. In reality, a tumor is the solution of cancer, not its cause. A tumor is simply a physical manifestation of bound up acidic cells so they do not spoil other healthy cells. The tumor is the solution to cells damaged by acids not the problem. The truth is cancer is not a cell but an acidic liquid. When a person 'has cancer,' what they really have is a latent tissue acidosis. They are absorbing their own acidic urine. It that would be a far better name for the disease: Latent Tissue Acidosis or LTA. If cancer were actually called Latent Tissue Acidosis, it would seem ridiculous to try to cure cancer by cutting out tumors through surgery and by destroying the immune system with chemotherapy. And yet these are precisely the most popular treatments for cancer offered by conventional medicine. These treatments do absolutely nothing to support the patient's immune system and prevent the build up of acids in the tissues. That's exactly why most people who undergo chemotherapy or the removal of tumors through surgical procedures end up with yet more cancer a few months or a few years later. It's also another reason why survival rates of cancer have barely budged over the last twenty years. (In other words, conventional medicine's treatments for cancer simply don't work.) The main reason is current medical science wrongly perceives cancer as a cell when in reality cancer is an acidic liquid, like lactic acid. This whole situation stems from the fact that the disease is misnamed. It isn't cancer, it isn't a tumor and it certainly isn't a disease caused by having too strong of an immune system that needs to be destroyed through chemotherapy. It is simply latent tissue acidosis. And if it were called latent tissue acidosis disease or urine in the tissues, the effective treatment for cancer would be apparent. There are many other diseases that are given misleading names by western medicine. But if you look around the world and take a look at how diseases are named elsewhere, you will find many countries have disease names that actually make sense. For example, in Chinese medicine, Alzheimer's disease is given a name that means, when translated, 'feeble mind disease.' In Chinese medicine, the name of the disease more accurately describes the actual cause of the disease which is caused by acids or urine on the brain, whereas in western medicine, the name of the disease seems to be intended to obscure the root cause of the disease, thereby making all diseases sound far more complex and mysterious than they really are. This is one way in which doctors and practitioners of western medicine keep medical treatments out of the reach of the average citizen. Because, by God, they sure don't want people thinking for themselves about the causes of disease! By creating a whole new vocabulary for medical conditions, they can speak their own secret language and make sure that people who aren't schooled in medicine don't understand what they're saying. That's a shame, because the treatments and cures for virtually all chronic diseases are actually quite simple and can be described in plain language, such as making different alkaline food choices, getting more natural sunlight, drinking more alkaline water, engaging in regular physical exercise, avoiding specific acidic foods, supplementing your diet with green foods and green drinks and alkalizing nutritional supplements and so on. See, western medicine prefers to describe diseases in terms of chemistry. When you're depressed, you aren't suffering from a lack of natural sunlight; you are suffering from a 'brain chemistry imbalance' that can only be regulated, they claim, by ingesting toxic chemicals to alter your brain chemistry. When your bones are brittle, it's not acidic brittle bones disease; it's called osteoporosis, something that sounds very technical and complicated. And to treat it, western doctors and physicians will give you prescriptions for expensive drugs that somehow claim to make your bones less brittle. But in fact, the real treatment for this can be described in plain language once again: regular physical exercise, vitamin D supplementation, mineral supplements that include calcium and strontium, natural sunlight, and avoidance of acidic foods such as soft drinks, white flour and added sugars. In fact, virtually every disease that's prominent in modern society -- diabetes, cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, clinical depression, irritable bowel syndrome and so on -- can be easily described in plain language without using complex terms at all. These diseases are simply misnamed. And I believe that they are intentionally misnamed to put the jargon out of reach of everyday citizens. As a result, there's a great deal of arrogance in the language of western medicine, and this arrogance furthers the language of separation. Separation never results in healing. In order to effect healing, we must bring together the language of healers and patients using plain language that real people understand and that real people can act upon. We need to start describing diseases in terms of their root causes, not in terms of their arcane, biochemical actions. When someone suffers from seasonal affective disorder or clinical depression, for example, let's call it what it is: Sunlight Deficiency Disorder. To treat it, the person simply needs to get more sunlight. This isn't rocket science, it's not complex, and it doesn't require a prescription. If someone is suffering from osteoporosis, let's get realistic about the words we use to describe the condition: it's really Acidic Bones Disease. And it should be treated with things that will enhance bone density, such as nutrition, physical exercise and avoidance of acidic foods and drinks that strip away bone mass from the human body to neutralize the excess acids in the blood and tissues. All of this information, of course, is rather shocking to old-school doctors and practitioners of western medicine, and the bigger their egos are, the more they hate the idea of naming diseases in plain language that patients can actually comprehend. That's because if the simple truths about diseases and their causes were known, health would be more readily available to everyday people, and that would lessen the importance of physicians and medical researchers. There's a great deal of ego invested in the medical community, and they sure don't want to make sound health attainable to the average person without their expert advice. Doctors all want to serve as the translators of 'truth' and will balk at any attempts to educate the public to either practice medicine on their own. But in reality, health (and a connection with spirit) is attainable by every single person. Health is easy, it is straightforward, it is direct and, for the most part, it is available free of charge. Don't believe the names of diseases given to you by your doctor. Those names are designed to obscure, not to inform. They are designed to separate you from self-healing, not to put you in touch with your own inner healer. And thus, they are nothing more than bad medicine masquerading as modern medical practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 hello, i understand your " rebellion " against pharmaceutical control, i think in the same terms. but the problem with naming diseases... this was not created by pharmaceutical industry, it existed before them. we can say it's another languge, so doctors can understand each other. this language is necessary in any science, to define the objects of its domain. it's true that in medicine the disease's names referes to effects as a colection of symptoms and not to causes... this is one of it's weak points. but not the way we name a disease is generating the manner we treat it... the way we understand illness and how deep we are able to search for its roots is generating it. in my country, in order to save health assurace company's money, we were told to first try an drugless approach and only if we don't succede this way we give pills. let's take one of your examples: high blood pressure in school we were told to follow some steps: 1. if the systolic blood pressure is under 160 mmHg than we don't give pills. we look for reasons, teach people how to eliminate stress , give diet with low salt and cholesterol, no cofee etc and even plants, pressupuncture, homeopatic (which officialy are recognised for their very important... placebo effect, but we know better). 2. if it's between 160-180 mmHg we take a decision acording to person's general state and other diseases 3. over 180mmHg we start with minimal treatment, together with all recomandations from first point. we increase the dose or add other pills only if it's not responding to this approach. the direction is that, by corecting the causes, to reduce the necessary of chemical treatment another one of the examples in the article u posted is cancer, describe as an acidity disease. or cancer is much more, not only acidity is the one generating the behaviour of maligne cells. if it would be this simple, everybody would get cured from cancer, but in some cases even very succesfull naturopaths cannot solve it. even if acidity would be the only mechanism involved, still this is only an effect of a deeper cause. we cannot give general verdicts, but in most cases cancer is produced when a person, who found a center outside its own being (we can cal them dis-centered), is losing that center. this, together with a wrong relationship with God, are most of the time the roots of this syndrome. when an emotional disturbance appears, like a strong depression (caused by the lost of the person / activity/ position considered the " center " ) together with the lack of sense of meaning in life and superiour integration, this " emotional dis-organization " , if we can call it like this, will reduce the defensive system and allow all the " cause " like acidity, radiations, free radicals... to harm the structure and induce diseases. naming cancer " latent tissue acidosis " would be as superficial and far from real roots as the name we use now. naming cancer " emotional des-centering with spoilled connection to God " would be little weird, i think... anyway, how many people will understand more if we tell them they have " latent tissue acidosis " instead of cancer... i think not so many so let's not use our time and mind for superficial issues like names, we have people (even ourselves) to be concerned about wishing u a grate health cri ___ Disease names like diabetes and osteoporosis are misleading and misinform patients about disease prevention. There is a curious tendency in conventional medicine to name a set of symptoms a disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 What do you perceive the place of homeopathy to be and the place of herbs? Where are you from actually and where were you educated? criiii dum <dumicita wrote: i understand your " rebellion " against pharmaceutical control, i think in the same terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 hi i'm from romania. i went to state medicine university here and i also study ayurveda and yoga in bucharest. i trust more natural methods. now i'm secondary doctor, not being my own boss, so i have to take care and not force some limits at work. i do the " normal " doctor work but also i suggest natural treatment for those who want it. more and more doctors become interested in plants. when i worked in University Hospital, the specialist doctor coordinating me was asking me for this kind of treatments for her family and also all the nurses there. i was allowed to give this kind of advices with no limitations to all patientes who wanted. in other hospitals i had to hide from my superiors when doing this, being catched " interfearing " with the allopathic treatment they recomanded would put me in big trouble. in the official books we have to study for speciality exam (in family medicine speciality) the authors (heads of the family medicine speciality, the teachers) started to include some notions on natural treatments, recomanding us to do our best in avoiding big recipes, by the manner described in the example about high blood pressure. they even added meditation on the list of therapies recomandes in high blood pressure or praying in other chapter. they don't know much about this methods, just copied some definitions from some books, sometimes not the best of them, but it's a promising begining. in the same time, i'm working with a bio-resonance machine. there are coming only persons willing to have natural treatment. as treatment i recomand plants, combined with diet, life style and yoga methods if the person is opened to this sugestion. i would love to recomand pancha karma methods, they r highly efficient, but there is no panchakarma clinic here yet, only a project. i don't have experience in pancha karma, still learning about it. i didn't have time to study homeopathy and floral therapy (like bach floral therapy). my family doctor is great in this 2 fields, so if i have patients who really need one of them, or both, i send them to her. i once benefitted from homeopathic treatment, it worked in few minutes solving the " crisis " like nothing else did, but without having long term effect. i also trust rey-ky (reiki) but i didn't study it. for those who r ready for it, the most efficient method in my opinion, and with most stabile results, is finding " the spiritual cause " of the problem and solving thise one. for example: not expressing your feelings might produce a kapha disorder in larynx, while talking too much without making sense would develope a vata problem in same area. if someone is looking for diversity in horizontal level, so he/she can enjoy life, instead of finding diversity in different nuances that can be experienced in meditation, might develop a vata disturbance in rakta dhatu, depending also on some other aspects involved there. if someone is mistaking the meaning of his/her life, if that person feels the he was born to reach some social status, or to create a family and work for his/her children, forgetting about the real purpose of our existence, the spiritual evolution, than that person will develope a disease involving majja dhatu etc. those r just examples, we cannot extend them to everybody. patientes have to work with themselves, " reshaping " their manner of thinking, taking the advice and support of their therapist and the example of the the people expressing well the attitude / understanding they need. there r some plants that r helping us in getting the resonances and the understanding abilities we need. for example, by keeping Brahmi under tongue while meditating, we have easier acces to the content of our chitta and we become even able to make some of the changes we want in there. jyotishmati will help us in developing spiritual discrimination. i hope i answered your questions all the best, cri _ What do you perceive the place of homeopathy to be and the place of herbs? Where are you from actually and where were you educated? criiii dum <dumicita > wrote: i understand your " rebellion " against pharmaceutical control, i think in the same terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 is there any traditional herbalism in Romania? Where did you learn about herbs did you go to a school for that or just read about it? Sounds like it is more accepted there than it is here. When my husband tells doctors that i study about herbs and yoga they get angry and tell me that I better not give people advice without telling them to see a doctor. I too feel that finding the spiritual cause is very important and find that real progress is made in a person's life in general, not only health improvemnts, but the spiritual journey starts to unfold for them. I feel like homeopathy is like satsang, in that if we spend time with good people we are good as long as we are there or if a person with a lot of trouble walks through a room we can feel disturbed by their residual vibration, but once the energy dissipates it may not have a long term effect. I am always curious about homeopathy because one of my friends swears by it and claims to have cured some very traumatic illnesses. One example is that her own son had a bleeding disorder called ITP. He had very low platelets and so would bleed and bruise very easily. I suggested he take amla and he was also very hyper so I suggested bramhi. In the mean time she also gave him some remedy. Within a week the platelets doubled. I attributed this to amla but she attributed it to the homeopathy. I find it difficult to accept that something without substance could cure someone on the threshold of death. If it were so powerful than it would have been at least a recognized form of medicine wouldn't it? I am always looking for answers about it because it would be very easy to treat people if they just needed energy tablets. criiii dum <dumicita wrote: hi i'm from romania. i went to state medicine university here and i also study ayurveda and yoga in bucharest. i trust more natural methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Good grief Mandy where are you that the MD bullies you like that? Jane " mandv m " <mandakiniven > When my husband tells doctors that i study about herbs and yoga they get > angry and tell me that I better not give people advice without telling > them to see a doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 canada!!!! Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Good grief Mandy where are you that the MD bullies you like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 hi again fortunately somehow part of the tradition is still alive here. everybody can tell atleast what infusion to drink when u r catching a cold or when u have stomach ache... there r shops selling plants in the same number as farmacies even if most of the farmacies are also selling plants or plant extracts. also in public health department there is a center for medical personell where u can officialy study " api-phyto-therapy " (theraphy by bee's products and plants), homeopathy, shiatsu, and obtain diploma recognised by health ministry. regarding infusions, i prefere less agressive methods, most efficient would be powder of the plant kept under tongue and after it cold water extracts. of course, there r some cases when tincture is more efficient, but this is a long story . i study plants in an ayurveda school in bucharest. this school is special among other europen ayurveda schools by characterising the local plant by the model in ayurveda, using the system of : rasa, virya, vipaka, karman, guna, prabhava. this way we study both local and indian plants in same manner. somehow i understand your doctor, i had some experience with people reciving bad advices from good-willing people without proper knowledge. the difference is that u study the therapies, so u can give good advices. about homeopathy i cannot give u details, but i can tell u about dillutions. we use water dilutions. if u put a substance in water, the water gets impregnated with the resonance of that substance, keeping some of its qualities. we can dilute the mixture obtained this way many times, until we go beyond avocado's number. there is no molecule of substance left, but the water still saves the initial properties. there is a documentary about water, i forgot its name, with scientists making different researches and experiments. u can also find the work of masaru emoto. _________________________________ is there any traditional herbalism in Romania? Where did you learn about herbs did you go to a school for that or just read about it? Sounds like it is more accepted there than it is here.<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 oh dear mind you my GP is someone I have known for 39 years - dunno what Dr Average might say to some of my preferences! Jane " mandv m " <mandakiniven > canada!!!! ______________ > Good grief Mandy where are you that the MD bullies you like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Dear Cristina, Is it Avocado's number or Avogadro's number. Avogadro's number is 6.023 multiplied by 10 raised to 23rd power ie 1 with 23 zeroes. Do you do any checks to confirm that level of dilution in any physics lab? Or is it just a estimate? I think avocado is a fruit. Dr Muzumdar we can dilute the mixture obtained this way many times, until we go beyond avocado's number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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