Sun & clorine water Tanning & prevention

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Nameste

 

My daughter who is 3 yrs old, gets darkened every time she goes to pool

even though i apply Sunscreen lotion with more than 40SPF,

I thought may be because of sun, but sometime we took her to pool when

it was absolutely cloudy & no sun at all, then also i noticed that she

got tanned in spite of applying waterproof sunscreen lotion, I am

really worried as is not regaining her original color & this tanning

seems to be permanent

Any ayurvedic solution to this please

 

Thanks

 

Roopa

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ayurveda , " roopa_sriii "

<roopa_sriii wrote:

> My daughter who is 3 yrs old, gets darkened every time she goes to

pool

> even though i apply Sunscreen lotion with more than 40SPF,

<snip>

 

 

 

please use siddha saffrine cream

 

 

tel. 0340413505

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ayurveda , " roopa_sriii "

<roopa_sriii wrote:

> My daughter who is 3 yrs old, gets darkened every time she goes to

pool

> even though i apply Sunscreen lotion with more than 40SPF,

<snip>

 

 

Following info may be useful to sharpen the possible problem:

 

1. Did you have gestational diabetes during pregnancy, when this

daughter was in womb?

 

2. Does diabetes run in your or husbands family?

 

3. Are your periods become irregular or scanty, possibly with weight

gain after the birth of your daughter. Did you take any allopathic

medication for regularising cycles, ovulation?

 

4. Is daughter overweight for her age?

 

5. Was she given all vaccines required as per current practice?

 

These questions require answer only YES/NO. But if you wish you can

elaborate further. If some info you dislike stating onlist, you may

send it off-list.

[Guest guest]

Bhateji

 

the ans to your ques

 

1. Yes

2. yes

3. not really any irregular periods, it was from 30 days cycle to 36

days cycle after her birth, but its back to 30 days cycle again now.

I didn't gain wt after her birth, but did loose most of my pregnancy

wt i.e 39 pounds what i gained, lost upto 32 pouunds. No allopatheic

medicine i ever taken to regularize periods as they were never

irregular except 4-5 times, when i moved from extremely hot place

like Texas to exttremely cold place like north of Ny state.but later

became regular like 30 days cycle all the time

4. No, she is in 35percetile for her age

5. Yes she is upto date regarding vaccine

 

Eventhogh i had GD during preganacy, i had very much control over

that by watching what i am eating & walking. so kept well under

control & even my doctor was happy about that, but had indiced

labour.

 

Please help me . if you want more info from my side please let me

know, i wouldn't hesitate to answer, I desperately need help

 

Thank you so much

 

Roopa

 

 

 

 

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

> 1. Did you have gestational diabetes during pregnancy, when this

> daughter was in womb?

>

> 2. Does diabetes run in your or husbands family?

>

> 3. Are your periods become irregular or scanty, possibly with

weight

> gain after the birth of your daughter. Did you take any allopathic

> medication for regularising cycles, ovulation?

>

> 4. Is daughter overweight for her age?

>

> 5. Was she given all vaccines required as per current practice?

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My son who is 6 yr old has the same problem.

Any explanation / reasoning is highly appreciated.

 

Thanks

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ayurveda , " roopa_sriii "

<roopa_sriii wrote:

<snip>

> Please help me . if you want more info from my side please let me

> know, i wouldn't hesitate to answer, I desperately need help

 

Answers to the questions has helped to understand her likely

condition. The word " likely " was chosen, since there remains always

some likelihood in e-communication. communication has not progressed

yet to see and feel the patient. Author is researching this condition

for quite some time, having noted very small babies aged 6 months

onwards are exhibiting similar problems.

 

some more info would be able to sharpen the picture.

 

Now that her darkening of the skin is more or less permanent, is it

all the skin on the body, or only certain areas have dark patches.

The patches need not be total coal black, but they can be velvety,

light-brown-to-black. Examine posterior and lateral folds of the

neck, body folds and creases behind joints, under the arms, the

axilla or in the groin, umbilicus and other areas too. back-side of

hands, upper side of feet, ankle joint skin, knee-joint skin, the

small central area close to waist line, where buttocks join, all become

important here.

 

This type of patches has been seen for children aged 6 months to youth

aged 20 years. If there is only general darkening on legs, thighs,

arms, then there is a different indication. A sample photographs have

been stored in photo section of ayurveda website, in album " Dr

Bhate Photos " . Look at these and see whether they match with your

daughters condition. This album was created today only, and is likely

to receive many more photos in future. The likelyhood that your

daughters condition may be closer to these is indicated by your

answers to the previous questions.

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ayurveda , " Leonard Davinci " <leoarp

wrote:

> My son who is 6 yr old has the same problem.

> Any explanation / reasoning is highly appreciated.

> Thanks

 

 

 

hello mr. please define your boys sickness or symptoms.

 

thank you

 

physician pak

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ayurveda , " Leonard Davinci " <leoarp

wrote:

>

> My son who is 6 yr old has the same problem.

> Any explanation / reasoning is highly appreciated.

 

 

Please have a look at messages 10842 and 10845 too.

 

Assume that questions asked in message 10842 are asked to the mother of

your six year old son. please send replies to these questions, as well

as to those asked in message 10845. It is possible that some answers

may differ from those given by Rupa. Each case has slight difference

from earlier case.

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Bhateji

 

I couldnot make out the pics clearly as they are very small sized, is

it posible to post a bigger one, also let me clearly go thro her body

regarding the folds etc you mentioned & should be able to get back

soon

Thank you so much for the help

 

Roopa

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Bhateji,

 

I went though my daughter's body, she is not patchy, i mean to say her darkening

of skin is more of uniform thoughout the body which exposed to sun/water in

pool,rather than patchy,her skin color at the place which covered by swim suite

is slightly better comapared to other part.

 

Her skin at the neck folding,under the arms,the

axilla or in the groin,upper side of feet have not changed the color,

but all other aprt of the body has changed noticebly only after going

for swimimmmg that too just coluple of times, Her buttocks were very

dark since birth, kind of patchy & more dark comapared to all other

body since birth, now entire body has turned to the same colur, Why

could this be, I didn't take any medicine/help to conceive her, never

felt sick not even simple fever, cold, cough though out pregnancy, just had GD

but through dieting i kept it under control without

medicine/insulin, used to eat healthy food thoughout pregnancy, but

used to have more egg, 2 a day.. please let me know where did i go

wrong or what care should be taken now...Its hard for me to see her skin change

day by day

 

Thank you so much for the help

 

Roopa

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Dark patches on the skin of children, few months old to youth say,

20 years old, are an indication of Insulin Resistance(IR), a topical

disorder driven by excess insulin that may begin at any age. Even a

baby born few weeks before can have it. It causes velvety, light-

brown-to-black, excess pigmentation marks. In your daughter's

particular case, she had patches on buttocks.

 

The condition is most often associated with obesity and endocrine

disorders. Skin patches are manifestation of insulin resistance,

characterized by impaired biological responses to insulin. Skin

darkening is generally found in the areas which sweat excessively.

Groin, armpit for example. The areas not exposed to sunlight, those

which remain damp due to sweat are often the sites for dark patches.

Excessive wrong foods, especially starches and sugars, can cause

insulin resistance when lack of physical activity leads to

insufficient cellular oxygen. This will result in elevated insulin

levels. Insulin spillover (from excessive production due to obesity

or insulin insensitivity into the skin) results in abnormal hyper-

pigmentation being observed. Many drugs such as cortico-steroids,

oral contraceptives, drugs directed to central nervous system such as

anti-epileptics, de-odorants, sweat suppressants, skin lotions are

also known to cause this. Skin, being the second kidney, is the

ultimate garbage dump. The elevated insulin levels in the body

activate insulin receptors in the skin, forcing it to grow

abnormally. Acrochordons (skin tags) are often found in and around

the affected areas. One case of this author had skin tag on the

nipple of the breast. It can be seen that where there is local

excess of insulin, blood sugar will also be high, causing fungus

infection. When one applies anti-fungal cream, which contains a small

proportion of steroids, the area darken permanently, even though

fungal infection may get eliminated. The corticosteroids such as

Betamethasone valerate are used in many lotions which suppress

sunlight allergic reactions. This increases the risk of local side

effects such as skin thinning, and those on other parts of the body,

such as a decrease in the production of natural hormones by glands.

 

In your daughters case, please check up the contents of the sun-

screen lotion. The lotions are known to release extra free radicals

from absorbed chemicals, see Ref. 1 The possibility of adverse health

effects associated with the synthetic compounds in most sunscreens is

described in ref 2, and could also be the cause of darkening of the

skin. While excessive sun exposure is known to cause skin cancer,

using a lotion with more than spf 8 is known to suppress vitamin D

generation to an extent 95% [Ref. 3]. Usefulness of Vit D in

preventing cancers, auto-immune diseases and cardiovascular diseases

is discussed in Ref. 4.

 

Diabetic, or pre-diabetic parents (suffering from Insulin resiatnce,

PCOS) they can pass on insulin insensitivity to their children. The

tanning as a result of sun light exposure is in reality a protection

developed by body to reduce UV absorption.. Hyper-pigmentation by

melanin produces tan in the sunlight exposed areas. In your

daughter's case, purification chemicals in water, sun screen lotion

may have enhanced the tan. Her succeptibility to darkening may have

been induced by diabetes in parents.

 

Treatment protocol:

 

Reducing the circulating insulin and increasing cellular oxygen by

dieting, exercise, pranayama and medication can lead to improvement

of the skin problem. Author notices lightened skin complexion when

women take liver detox, reducing the xenohormones trapped in skin

layers. These xenohormones often cause darkened skin. Correlation

between liver detox, increased formation of sex hormone binding

globulins (SHBG) and their action on reducing androgens in case of

women suffering from PCOS is well researched area.

 

In addition to drugless approaches such as panchkarma, liver

detoxification, pranayama, panchgavya medicine have been found most

effective but since they are not exported, not being discussed here.

Author has used these medicines successfully to reduce the facial

tans. The medicines along with liver detox were given to tackle PCOS,

and skin complexion improvement was seen as beneficial side effect.

This offered the motivation to find why the darkened patches appear

and they lighten with hormone balancing medicines as well as liver

detox. Detoxification program using fresh vegetable and fresh fruit

juices are useful, the vegetable juices are more alkalinizing and

contain less sugar. Fast one day a week on juice and khitchri.

Another alternative every month do a 3 day juice fast along with

khitchri once everyday. And twice a year, as part of your bi-annual

liver detox, do a 7 day juice fast.

 

Since everyone is unique, protocol for an individual is to be worked

out by Vaidya. For children, in India, we give Janma Ghuti which has

several herbs to reduce insulin resistance. Since infants take bitter

herbs right from few months age, the chances of developing insulin

resistance reduce substantially.

 

Low level of physical activity is the driving force. Muscle tissue

takes up 95 percent of the glucose that insulin helps the body

utilize, inactivity further reduces the muscles' ability to use

insulin effectively. The muscle of the hind arm starts showing

flabbiness, an indication for vaidya. This of course happens when

women approach menopause or get affected by PCOS.

 

Herbs aimed at insulin resistance and improving circulation(Vata)

include

 

fenugreek, gudmar, Tulsi, Giloy, Karela, ginger, Jamun, peeper

longum, black

peeper, arjuna, trifla, psyllium, cinnamon, shilajit, Kutaj, Chirait.

 

Each herb has a wide spectrum of area of activity and relative

proportion of each herb should be worked out specific to each

patient. Some herbs can be omitted also, if unnecessary for some.

 

Herbs for PCOS, hormonal rebalance, include Shatawari, Aloe-vera, Licorice,

Aswagandha, Goxura, Ashoka, Amla, Lodhra, Jackfruit bark, Drumstick,

mango bark. Author has used mango seeds, okra seeds, papaya seeds

also some times.

Ayurveda offers so many herbs for tackling Insulin resistance, some

of them have

been studied in various trials and the global references to them may

be found in:

 

José A. Olalde Rangel, Meyer Magarici, Francis Amendola, and Oswaldo

del Castillo

" The Systemic Theory of Living Systems. Part IV: Systemic Medicine—

The Praxis "

 

Evid. Based Complement. Altern. Med., December 2005; 2: 429 - 439.

 

The table containing various herbs is available online at:

 

http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/2/4/429/TBL5

 

 

We traced a full circle. No specific herb can be suggested without examining the

patient. Panchgavya medicines can be picked up if you are from India and visit

India sometime. Remotely, author would suggest safe home remedy, which you can

try just for 2-4 weeks and report the result on-list so athat all members can

know.

 

1. Let her take thrice a day, half lemon juice mixed in half glass (100 ml)

water, 1-2 pinches sea salt, 1/4 tsp turmeric powder and jaggery/honey as a

sweetner added. Take at breakfast, before lunch and before dinner.

 

2. soak 1/2 tsp fenugreek seeds in 1/2 cup water for overnight and drink only

water at breakfast time.

 

3. 1/4 tsp cinnamon powder licked in honey, just before starting the meal.

adjust powder and honey such that no mouth sores occur. start with little less

cinnamon and increase gradually to 1/4 tsp.

 

4. Avoid all processed food, refined floor, sugar, fast foods. Green gram is the

wonder food whenever skin problems encountered.

 

5. Avoid all synthetic soaps, cosmetics. Use herbal soap powders discussed in an

article

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6924

 

 

 

 

Ref:

1. Kerry M. Hanson, Enrico Gratton and Christopher J. Bardeen

(2006). " Sunscreen enhancement of UV-induced reactive oxygen species

in the skin " . Free Radical Biology and Medicine 11.

 

2. http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=18501

 

3. http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=1399

 

4. Holick M (2004). Am J Clin Nutr 80 (6 Suppl): 1678S-88S Dec 2004

 

 

 

ayurveda , " roopa_sriii "

<roopa_sriii wrote:

> I went though my daughter's body, she is not patchy, i mean to say

her darkening of skin is more of uniform thoughout the body which

exposed to sun/water in pool,rather than patchy,her skin color at the

place which covered by swim suite is slightly better comapared to

other part.

<Snip>

[Guest guest]

Are you certain she does not have a suntan?

The areas where you say the skin has not changed color do not tan in the sun.

If the child is dark they become very dark when exposed to the sun and reduce

the color in the winter again

 

roopa_sriii <roopa_sriii wrote: I went though my daughter's body,

she is not patchy, i mean to say her darkening of skin is more of uniform

thoughout the body which exposed to sun/water in pool,rather than patchy,her

skin color at the place which covered by swim suite is slightly better comapared

to other part.<snip>

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Mandavji,

 

It could be suntan too.. but whenever its very dark cloudy, i took her

to pool, even then she tanned.. donn't understand if its for

sun/clorine in water. This stared happeneing last june, & she didn't

regain the colour in winter but continued darkening now, in summer...

 

 

 

ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven wrote:

> Are you certain she does not have a suntan?

> The areas where you say the skin has not changed color do not tan in

the sun.

> If the child is dark they become very dark when exposed to the sun

and reduce the color in the winter again

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Bhateji,

 

Thank you so much for the information, I have couple of questions

 

1. Where do i get these herbs in USA. Some of them are available here,

how to use them?

2. Can i start giving 'Janam Ghuti' to my almost 3 yrs old kid now?

3. where do i get Panchgavya medicines in bangalore? could this be

given to my child too. if so what quantity for me & my kid?or how to

use it.

4. I confused abt the safe home remedy 1-5 you have mentioned, is it

for me as a parent who had GD or for my child to reduce her insulin

resistance, if its for my kid can i do follow these home remedies to.

5. regarding the 3rd home remedy, how many times a day should i do

this, is it before starting any meal, like 2-3 times a day?

6. Whats the most effective remedy for my daughter of 3 yrs old to

have so that can control insulin resistance problem.

 

 

Thank you so much for your help

 

Regards

 

Roopa

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ayurveda , " roopa_sriii "

<roopa_sriii wrote:

> 1. Where do i get these herbs in USA. Some of them are available

here,

> how to use them?

 

Herbal combination needs to be worked out for specific case, self-

medication not encouraged. Contact an ayurvedist nearby or in India

when you visit.

 

 

 

 

> 2. Can i start giving 'Janam Ghuti' to my almost 3 yrs old kid now?

 

No. Janam Ghuti has its usefulness in " babyhood " only. Now she can

take combinations directly without grinding to paste etc.

 

 

> 3. where do i get Panchgavya medicines in bangalore? could this be

> given to my child too. if so what quantity for me & my kid?or how to

> use it.

 

Panchgavya meds not exported, they need to be carried by patient

him/herself, when U.S.A. is concerned. They are available in cities

in Maharashtra, M.P., U.P., Delhi, Rajastan. For Diabetes, PCOS,

Insulin resistance, author makes combinations of these. Herbal

formulation along with panchgavya meds are made patient-specific and

offered. In Bangalore some patients take these, couriered from places

where they are made/distributed. Author is not yet aware if someone

sells these in Bangalore.

 

 

> 4. I confused abt the safe home remedy 1-5 you have mentioned, is it

> for me as a parent who had GD or for my child to reduce her insulin

> resistance, if its for my kid can i do follow these home remedies

to.

 

Remedy 1-3 are for your daughter only. For you, dose needs to be

doubled. Recommendations 4,5 can be followed by both.

 

 

> 5. regarding the 3rd home remedy, how many times a day should i do

> this, is it before starting any meal, like 2-3 times a day?

 

Cinnamon+honey is to be licked before meals. If she takes meal 2-3

times a day, she can take 2-3 times a day.

 

 

> 6. Whats the most effective remedy for my daughter of 3 yrs old to

> have so that can control insulin resistance problem.

 

Depending on your situation in U.S.A., availability of materials,

you can follow one or all three home remedies. Start with 1,2 first

and add no. 3 after 2 weeks. If you start all three together, immune

system will get activated, and if she gets healing crisis (low fever,

cough, cold, erruptions, bodyache, vomits, loose motions 2-3 times a

day), it will subside by itself. It may be necessary to reduce the

dose or even stop the remedy for a day or two. Once the crisis

subsides, continue again. HOme remedies are also seen to precipitate

worries due to healing crisis, which patient confuses with new

disease.

 

Reg. suggestion#5 (bath powder), panchgavya offers a soap made from

fullers earth, which is seen to clean up toxins trapped in upper skin

layers. But it needs to be carried by patient while going to U.S.A.

This soap is most convenient to use. It maintains the sweat pores

open and keep the blood circulation in good order.

[Guest guest]

I am very fair skinned with blue eyes, and I spend a lot of time in the sun

and am very dark right now, except where my bathing suit is of course. Also

you can still tan or burn even with clouds as the UV rays still come

through.

____________

> It could be suntan too.. but whenever its very dark cloudy, i took her

> to pool, even then she tanned.. donn't understand if its for

> sun/clorine in water.