Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Hello Laura...I would question her on fevers or night sweating, quality of pain, bowel movements, etc... Also pressure around the perineum would lead me to further investigate the diagnoses of spleen qi sinking. It is difficult to transpose a western diagnoses into TCM differentiation without an interview. Have faith in the tradition of your art...TCM is pattern-oriented and individualized - let the symptoms/pattern lead you to appropriate treatment. Also, the idea that the inflammation is not viral...what really does that mean? It could be a viral assault that has yet to be defined by western lab technique, an allergy, bacteria, auto-immune...all of that is intriguing to investigate, but as practitioners of chinese medicine, that is not our forte. Remember also that chronic illness tends to lead to deficiency of kidney/liver. Last thought...what imbalances in her body accomadate the recurrent symptoms? In other words, is this primarily a case of deficiency or excess, or both and what would be the best plan to restore health? Let me know how it goes! Lori Scott, L.Ac. --- Lauren Fortuna <llbeandip wrote: > Hello, > > I have a patient coming to me with Interstitial > Cystitis, which she was > diagnosed with 10 years ago. " Interstitial cystitis, > painful bladder > syndrome and frequency-urgency-dysuria syndrome, are > used > interchangeably to describe urinary frequency, > urgency and/or feelings > of pain or pressure around the bladder, pelvis and > perineum. IC patients > usually have additional findings of small > hemorrhages (called > glomerulations) or ulcers within the bladder. In > addition, patients may > have a decreased bladder capacity and painful sexual > intercourse. Women > may flare during their menstrual cycle. Men may have > scrotal or penis > pain (9). " > IC webpage. > > I have not yet met with her to see what her pulses > and tongue are. But I > am interested in suggestions. > The bladder/kidney meridians are not usually used > for organ problems. > The kidney meridian can be considered for the > frequency and urgent > urination aspects of IC, but as for the pressure, > pain on palpation, and > burning urine- where else would you look? > Thinking out loud here- there is the idea that > issues that affect the > heart (stress, anxiety, etc...=heat) and the heart > transfers this heat > to its pair- Small Intestine, which in turn drains > the heat through the > Bladder. > That is one idea. > How do you approach an almost constant inflammation > that is not > viral/bacterial? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Lauren > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > SBC - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo./sbc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 according chinese medical theoy of 'ling zheng " to treat. judy In a message dated 4/10/2006 10:49:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, purekarm writes: Hi guys, A patient with interstitial cystitis was referred to me and will be coming to see me this tuesday for acupuncture and chinese herbs. I have not been able to see the patient yet so I have not been able to examine and diagnos; I was just wondering if any of you had any experiences with treating this disrder. Thanks- Sharon Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I received an offlist post from someone thinking that IC is a bladder infection. I thought I'd post this for any others who might think the same. Interstitial Cystitis is NOT a bladder infection. It often has stress/emotional and even can have dietary causes. There may be inflammation/DampHeat involved....but not always....depends on patient not the IC. It is advisable when presented with a Western Medical Term to know the definition. " The term IC / PBS includes all cases of urinary pain that can't be attributed to other causes, such as infection or urinary stones. " " Some of the symptoms of IC / PBS resemble those of bacterial infection, but medical tests reveal no organisms in the urine of patients with IC / PBS. Furthermore, patients with IC / PBS do not respond to antibiotic therapy. " " In recent years, researchers have isolated a substance found almost exclusively in the urine of people with interstitial cystitis. They have named the substance antiproliferative factor, or APF, because it appears to block the normal growth of the cells that line the inside wall of the bladder. " entire worthy read at: http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/interstitialcystitis/ Kit acupuncture , " kitcurtin " <kitcurtin wrote: > > Look for a Heart/Shen relationship. I have had it and treated it. > > Kit > > acupuncture , drjudyhou@ wrote: > > > > > > according chinese medical theoy of 'ling zheng " to treat. > > judy > > > > > > In a message dated 4/10/2006 10:49:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > purekarm@ writes: > > > > Hi guys, A patient with interstitial cystitis was referred to me and > > will be coming to see me this tuesday for acupuncture and chinese > > herbs. I have not been able to see the patient yet so I have not been > > able to examine and diagnos; I was just wondering if any of you had > > any experiences with treating this disrder. > > Thanks- > > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Just wanted to let you know that I am an Interstial Cystitis patient. I've had it since 1993. I have begun acupuncture treatments recently and the treatment does bring my pain level down. Unfortunately for me, pain is my major symptom. Good luck in treating your IC patient. I hope that he or she responds to it the way I do. Pain dropped at least 2 numbers. Peace, Lori " I don't care anymore, this is my life. Go ahead with your own life and leave me alone " Billy Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 I have seen three cases of IC and all of them were women and all had been sexually abused as a child. One woman, in her sixties, had never had an orgasm-even though she was married- and later revealed to me that her Father had molested her at a young age. This disease clearly has a strong emotional pull, I recommend the AMH. Sat Nam, Aurore ND www.beyondnaturalmedicine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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