Modern India - Guys wake up

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anil,

 

Leech Therapy is gaining popularity in US and Europe.

it is a shame, In India where this process originated and has mention in veda,

people are slowly moving away from the leech therapy.

 

also in this forum with 1000's of messages, nobody has been bold enough to

discuss about leech therapy. it is a big business also. UK alone exports 300

million leeches a year. Hirudo medicinalis leeches. These leeches are also

named as Europeon leeches.

 

sometimes i feel all the knowledge of india is slowly being sold by all these

western countries. even the books here in Newyork library are by westerners who

might have not seen 100 patients in their life. forget about curing.

 

i have not understood one thing. why do indians assist such people. whichever

book i have seen here in the west goes something like

 

Author = David Simon

Robert Frawley

Mr Ravi sharma

 

The indian who has the most knowledge is listed last.

 

also currently IBM, SAP, Accenture all have created their software centers in

India. and if i remember right one of the company IBM filed more than 600

patents on software code last year originating from Bangalore. The patent was

originally created by Indian brains and we do not own even an iota of that

patent.

 

in future IBM will collect all these patents pay the indian workers meagre

rupees. and then build a supercomputer and will sell us at billions of dollars.

 

hehe......

 

I see the same cycle happening whether it is IT or Ayurveda or mathematical

science or astronomy.

all the locations of stars which were given by indian vedas are accurate as of

this date.

however it is all european discoveries.

 

why can't we follow smart ways of koreans and chinese. they understand how it is

done and then they try to do it on their own. it can start with one individual

but we have to wake up.

 

hope somebody gets my point.

 

Jay

 

 

 

 

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there is no side effect of leech therapy & also no cause of infection.

 

Actually there are two types of leeches . 1. Saveesh (poisonous) & 2.

Nirveesh(nonpoisono us).

<snip>

[Guest guest]

We see something like that here in the west, but it is between the rich and

poor. Many times the poor employees do all the work and innovation and the

rich CEO's claim that work and benefit by it. In many companies, the work

you do for that company is no longer yours, but belongs to the company, so

if you invent something they profit. Somehow I am not thinking that that is

what Lord Krishna meant when he told Arjuna not to be attached to the fruits

of his actions...If business does not get some morality, then we will all be

sold up the creek, some faster than others. I read a very alarming article

somewhere about the big drug companies doing human testing in India and

Africa and other poorer corners of the world that would be unacceptable

here, so they are colonizing people's very lives and bodies. Too bad all the

people who freak out over animal testing are not so militant against people

testing.

Darla

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<snip>

> also currently IBM, SAP, Accenture all have created their software centers

> in India. and if i remember right one of the company IBM filed more than 600

> patents on software code last year originating from Bangalore. The patent

> was originally created by Indian brains and we do not own even an iota of

> that patent.

<Snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

I am in full agreement with what you say about waking up and conserving the

cultural heritage or the ancient wisdom. Sure, some one has to initiate.

 

The point is not that the Indians are selling the knowledge to westerners, the

point is that the westerners are not rigid and are open to any thing beneficial

and better. While we are still orthodox and rigid, not ready to move with the

time, so are left behind in the race. This point just needs some introspection.

I am silently going through the entries every day and from the view put forth by

many in this very forum, it is clearly evident that bringing in change in the

mindset would require a lot of effort. Well, the change is required to be

initiated at the policy makers level.

 

From your short note, it seems, you are located in New York. That is the irony

Jay, all those who want to do, but dont get the infrastructure required for the

scietific validation, seem to opt out for the foreign offices as there all the

facilities are available.

Regards,

Dr. Sanjay Sharma

 

Jay Dhruv <jaydhruv wrote:

<snip>

sometimes i feel all the knowledge of india is slowly being sold by all these

western countries. even the books here in Newyork library are by westerners who

might have not seen 100 patients in their life. forget about curing.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you wholeheartedly I am a vedic astrologer and used to be

asscoiated with that group (david frawley, etc) of westerners claiming they

understood the Vedas they set up colleges like the American college of vedic

astrology and California college of ayurveda. the point of the matter is

that most of the people don't know a crap about any of these occult sciences

and are merely doing it to be different. I think its ridiculous that they

are propagandizing these sciences from a standpoint of authority. however

the only good thing is that the people of authority such as Shirish bhate

and dr muzumdar are popping up to defend the beauty (because of the rise and

interest created by these groups mentioned above) and they really do stand

as authority figures in this mess. vedic astrology in America situation

isn't as bad as the current situation of Ayurveda in america. so I think

right now we are pretty lucky to have all this knowledge properly

disseminated via this group on . I personally visited dr muzumdar and

he is an amazing ayurvedic doctor. there are others who are great there, but

to be honest dr muzumdar has the integrity and diligence and exactness of a

great vaidya. I hope you get a chance to visit his modest clinic that he has

worked hard to maintain despite the fact that Ayurveda is being

commercialized even in india.

 

 

 

namaskar,

 

__________

 

Raja Gursahani

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

How can you help to improve / revert this situation personally?

A sense of slavery, greed for forex and recognition by a westerner is pervading

in Indian psyche still as of today and that makes all sorts of shameless

compromises possible. Everybody waits for that special one to initiate. Why not

start with self ?

Can you help Ayurveda get it's own glory?

Awaiting your positive outlook.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

M.D.Ayurvedic Medicine, INDIA

< dahpc >

 

 

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Leech Therapy is gaining popularity in US and Europe.

it is a shame, In India where this process originated and has mention in veda,

people are slowly moving away from the leech therapy.

<snip>

i have not understood one thing. why do indians assist such people. whichever

book i have seen here in the west goes something like

 

Author = David Simon

Robert Frawley

Mr Ravi sharma

 

The indian who has the most knowledge is listed last.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

You know I'm sorry to say that all of you complaining on what is not happening..

could be doing more to help the situation. You are spending your time here

spinning your wheels, instead of educating and trying to get educated.

 

Sorry to say, this is not what I expect form an Ayurveda online group. Life

isn't perfect in the USA or India. Everything can be about money, or can be

about the purity of the sciences, most end up in-between. The reality, I'm

blessed that people are trying.. to the best of their ability to bring a science

to the USA and trying to uphold it in India, to give people a choice about their

health care.

 

If you want to bad together and bitch about the issues, then feel free to do

so.. and those of us that are serious can go somewhere else to educate

ourselves.

OR....

You can take your input to this group and put it in a constructive manner and

educate those who are TRYING to be the best at what we do...

 

your choice!

 

Peace and blessings to you all.

 

 

Raja Gursahani <rajagursahani

I agree with you wholeheartedly I am a vedic astrologer and used to be

 

asscoiated with that group (david frawley, etc) of westerners claiming they

 

understood the Vedas they set up colleges like the American college of vedic

 

astrology and California college of ayurveda. <snip>

[Guest guest]

I personally am not an expert of Ayurveda.

neigther i can even write on a subject.

however I am doing sufficient to make my mark in my field i.e. Information

Technology.

and when i work, i work with pride - not with slavish approach which many ppl

take.

I pointed something out - which only a genuine ayurveda doctor can exploit and

use it to his advantage. also be aware that he can be easily exploited by an MNC

or a western book writer.

 

if people are awake then they will take notice. if they are sleeping the

embarassment will continue for ages.

 

I would also like to suggest to people like Shirish Bhate to write a book of his

own rather than dumping everything he knows into these forums. his knowledge

will serve many. the reason being if he wont write somebody else will. and that

somebody else might not understand the subject.

 

Jay

 

 

 

 

muzumdar <dahpc

How can you help to improve / revert this situation personally?

A sense of slavery, greed for forex and recognition by a westerner is pervading

in Indian psyche still as of today and that makes all sorts of shameless

compromises possible. Everybody waits for that special one to initiate. Why not

start with self ?

Can you help Ayurveda get it's own glory?

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

First of all, the referance to slavery had nothing personal to be, it was a

general observation among Indian mentality seen even in the highest political

levels. A Indian gets national recognition only after he is felicitated by some

foreign university / organisation / government. History has highlighted this

fact umpteenth time.

Many of the Ayurvedic practitioners are still fixed up and entangled in

traditional mind-set. They have not progressed enough to assimilate the modern

changes.

Even Information Technology can be of help in upgrading the Ayurvedic literature

and its vast where-withal and expanse. You need not be Ayurvedic expert to help

Ayurveda. Much of the credit for keeping Ayurveda alive as on today goes to the

laymen who love Ayurveda more than the trained practitioners. They are

responsible for propagating Ayurveda more than all the governmental agencies put

to-gether.

I still keep my question open - How can you personally help Ayurveda by working

in your field, that too maintaining all your self-respect and seelf-esteem? We

need more solid workers rather than just clarion callers.

Would like to listen more from you.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

< dahpc >

 

 

Jay Dhruv

I personally am not an expert of Ayurveda.

neigther i can even write on a subject.

however I am doing sufficient to make my mark in my field i.e. Information

Technology.

and when i work, i work with pride - not with slavish approach which many ppl

take.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

dear Kimberly,

 

 

 

the point of the matter here is that the usa and fda and the ama have not

only a scientific bias towards Ayurveda but also a racial as well as

religious bias. so please don't think we are arguing. there are many

undercurrents that are not being addressed here because of the sensitive

nature. the point of this group is to maintain the knowledge of Ayurveda and

so that people can really cure their ills. the point of this group is also

to promote the beauty as well as address any misconceptions that have

arisen. it is true that Ayurveda is mysticized here in the usa and that

there is cure for everything under the umbrella of Ayurveda but if you speak

to the authorities (they are in india by the way) then you will see that

Ayurveda has its limits. but interestingly enough ayurveda's limits are

usually due to time constraints and not the fact that if you follow

ayurvedic principles according to your body type you can significantly avoid

disease for the majority of your life as Ayurveda is not only the knowledge

of life but life extender as well.

 

 

 

 

 

sincerely,

Raja Gursahani

[Guest guest]

Dear Raja.

 

I understand and I get it. I'm an Ayurvedic Practitioner in the USA, and know..

that the masters are in India, hence the reason I bring them here to teach my

students and the reason I study with them in India. But I also know that there

are many professionals here in the USA who have been trying to bring the purity

of Ayurveda to the USA, Europe, India, the world and have been fighting 20+

years...

 

The reality is, I also understand the AMA, FDA and all other political issues

and propaganda around Ayurveda as I'm fighting to ensure my rights as a massage

therapist and Ayurvedic practitioner are kept whole and available. The point

is....

 

Everyone is certainly ready to bash the legislation, which I whole heartedly

agree is no where near perfect or appropriate on most of these levels, but the

reality also is we have to work within them and ensure that our practice is

safe, stays true to the path and within scope and reason. I work with a group of

Doctors from India who are trying diligently to ensure that Ayurveda gets

licensed as a medical practice, and that the level of practice is not so broad

so that anyone can practice.

 

The beautiful thing is we are working as a group to " try " and ensure that

Ayurveda stays as pure as possible in the USA and in India. However, we all know

that there are issues with anything with a religious base in the USA Christian,

Hindu, Muslum etc. That is not what I see as the all pervading issues. The

reality is the doctors see where they can make and lose money.. and guess what..

duh.. Ayurveda has worked for 5000 years and it's easily accessible and gives

the patient and opportunity to take control of their health care... OH MY GOD>>>

NOT THAT>>>

 

Believe me I get it.. but sitting here giving our two cents on what is not

happening or the negative side is a wast of time. What you all.. what we all...

need to be doing is supporting the groups and legislation here (USA) and in

India that are working to ensure Ayurveda is available to everyone regardless of

religions affiliation, health concerns, insurance etc.

 

So tell me instead of what isn't being done.. please.. what is being done. What

do you want to see happen?

What groups are you standing behind to ensure that it happens?

Where are you putting your energy to ensure that Ayurveda remains true and pure?

Start educating everyone here on what steps can be taken, where the information

should come from etc....don't just sit and complain..

 

People with a passion should not sit behind that passion and wait for it to

become someone elses passion or to touch the world. You have to get out and

educate for all those who need to truly understand, so that the energy behind

your passion is positive and strong!

 

Peace and Love...

Kimberly

 

PS.. for Jay.. You mentioned that you're in IT.. well you are not the only one

that has taken that path. I hold a BA in Operations and Information Systems. And

worked for years building software for the health insurance companies to ensure

their systems could work.. and basically.. not pay claims.. as I see it.. So I

got out, focused my life and energy on what I believe. So the beauty is I can

talk about Ayurveda, it's a life time commitment for me, and something I'm

fighting for daily, here (USA) and India.

 

I've gone as far to combine with a company in India to open a school here in my

local area where we supply some of the best educators from India, to educate and

supply Ayurvedic knowledge to those who want to know. The program isn't perfect

yet, but what it is, is a beautiful stepping stone to ensure Ayurveda stays

alive and available for all who want to practice it. Want to know more get

educated, embrace it as a daily way of life. If you want to see it grow, stop

worrying about if you are in India or in the USA, but put together seminars and

education classes, with the instructors, teachers and doctors from India and let

them know you'd like to hear them speak in the USA.. EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE..

and you can see the world change!

 

 

 

 

Raja Gursahani <rajagursahani

<snip>the point of the matter here is that the usa and fda and the ama have not

 

only a scientific bias towards Ayurveda but also a racial as well as

 

religious bias. so please don't think we are arguing. there are many

 

undercurrents that are not being addressed here because of the sensitive

 

nature. the point of this group is to maintain the knowledge of Ayurveda and

 

so that people can really cure their ills. <snip>

[Guest guest]

To answer you very precisely.

I myself was a product of western education - english medium schooling in

india

my father was in airforce and whatever interaction we had with hospital was

the allopathic air force hospital.

 

the only exposure to ayurveda were the roadside peddlers sitting with

jadi-buti.

however going forward, i got caught with psoriasis and asthama.

Bronchitis - it went away on its own.

however the psoriasis has been there for last 5 years.

 

My family doctor in pune - Mr Ternikar ( Bhandarkar road) is the best

allopathic doctor you can find in pune. i asked him about psoriasis - he became

sad and said there is no cure for the same. i asked him about

ayurveda/homeopathy etc and he said - nothing works.

 

however it was his opinion and I kept my search on.

and i am planning to get treated ayurveda medicine and panchakarma in pune or

nearby place.

if i succeed in curing myself than i will drop this software line and take up

ayurveda seriously. get serious education from pune or gujarat. i would than try

to become the ambassador for ayurveda in US. however this are thoughts just now

and healing has to happen first. i myself need evidence that it works for

people. i have seen some testimonials on the net. but nobody has given the exact

nos. are you able to cure 60% of the case or not through ayurveda.

 

in US though people are rich, they are suffering more.

obesity, psoriasis, cancer, heart diseases. you name the disease and it is

here. infact they keep on getting newer diseases.

primary reason being the food that americans eat is mostly lousy, full of bad

cholestrol, obesity forming.

majority of US is also in colder region, so they dont get to see the sun

majority of the year.

That itself leads to skin diseases / depression / fatigue.

third reason is - US life is like Bombay life. people are always busy and have

very limited social life. even neighbours interact little. so the social support

is v little.

 

overall evils of a modern world are many. everything looks glamorous from the

east.

but once you come to countries like US, Canada, UK. people regret a lot.

they get money but that is it.

 

Jay

 

 

 

muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

<snip>I still keep my question open - How can you personally help Ayurveda by

working in your field, that too maintaining all your self-respect and

seelf-esteem? We need more solid workers rather than just clarion callers.<snip>

[Guest guest]

Jay,

 

I studied in Pune specifically with a group of doctors that work here in the

USA. Under the international Academy of Ayurveda. Dr. Subanadash Ranade and Dr.

Lele own the clinic. I worked with several of their affiliated phyicians and

specifically in one Pancha karma clinic where I personally treated a woman with

severe psoriasis. I have seen the great effects that her treatment had for her,

and another gentleman that was India native but currently residing in the

states.

 

I think you will find tremendous results for your condition, I also think you

will become a true believer of Ayurveda once you undergo treatment and " see for

yourself " .

 

One thing I ask all to remember who are under going treatment, if your mind

believes the cure will work, 95% of the time it does. The mind is an amazing

thing and can cure the body from any ill, if we get out of it's way and allow it

to.

 

 

I love when people from all walks of life, and cultures get involved, get

educated and share ideas. I just get a bug when everyone starts bashing the

opportunity for improvement when it's not perfect. Every new opportunity faces

struggles, I'm sure you see and have seen it, I also know that with your balance

of knowledge from the USA and India you will be able to see how the two can

combine despite the issues.

 

We (Ayruved's) in general are working hard to ensure that when Ayurveda is

brought from India as a " true " profession in the USA that the basics, the

foundation are kept in tact. We need people from all walks of life to support

that. Wouldn't it be great to be able to get the same quality and level of

service when you visit the states as you do in India? Why isn't that possible?

 

It's not up for everyone to give up their day jobs and practice Ayurveda for

others. But you can keep your day job and practice Ayurveda for yourself.

You can also keep your day job, and use it for positive impact and influence on

the evolving process Ayurveda is going though in India and in the USA

 

I wish you success on your journey and with your health. In your journey if you

see how we can manage this connection better and get the quality that you see in

India into the USA I'm sure we would all like your feedback.

 

Peace and Blessings

Kimberly

 

 

 

 

 

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My family doctor in pune - Mr Ternikar ( Bhandarkar road) is the best

allopathic doctor you can find in pune. i asked him about psoriasis - he became

sad and said there is no cure for the same. i asked him about

ayurveda/homeopathy etc and he said - nothing works.

 

however it was his opinion and I kept my search on.

 

and i am planning to get treated ayurveda medicine and panchakarma in pune or

nearby place.

 

if i succeed in curing myself than i will drop this software line and take up

ayurveda seriously. get serious education from pune or gujarat. i would than try

to become the ambassador for ayurveda in US. however this are thoughts just now

and healing has to happen first. i myself need evidence that it works for

people. i have seen some testimonials on the net. but nobody has given the exact

nos. are you able to cure 60% of the case or not through ayurveda.<snip>

[Guest guest]

hi

u say " ayurveda has its limits " . it is true, we learen all the time the signs

when a disease is not curable anymore and death will come in 7, 10, 12... days

etc

fortunately god has no limits. i know a girl with leukemia. last year, during an

acute episode, she got to that stage where she had ALL the signs desctibed at

JVARA at the point of no cure, she was supposed to die in a week. a group of

friend practising yoga, rei-ki and other paths started to work for her, having

spiritual practise consacrated to her health. she is alive and well now. i

cannot say perfectly cured, maybe she will have another accutisation some time,

but having her alive now it's a miracle.

 

abot this kind of situation, ayurvedda says there are 2 alternaives: death or

the grace of god. let's not forget ayurveda is a SPIRITUAL science.

 

a patient will get the independence of healing process only if we act on 3

levels: physical, mental and spiritual. if we miss one of them, he/she will come

back later with the same or other diserase having same root.

 

the practitioners should develope the intuition to find the deep reason of the

illness, till the level of citta, and guide the sick person to correct it in

order to regain health. the illness is a grace: god is showing us that we r

deeply wrong, where our spiritual evolution is bloked by us and gives us the

chanse to repair our mistake. if we understand the message carried by the

disease, we will evolve spiritually. even if the disease has no cure, but we do

the right thing to repair the cause before death, in the next life will not have

to confront with it again.

 

 

 

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<snip> Ayurveda is mysticized here in the usa and that

there is cure for everything under the umbrella of Ayurveda but if you speak

to the authorities (they are in india by the way) then you will see that

Ayurveda has its limits. but interestingly enough ayurveda's limits are

usually due to time constraints and not the fact that if you follow

ayurvedic principles according to your body type you can significantly avoid

disease for the majority of your life as Ayurveda is not only the knowledge

of life but life extender as well.

[Guest guest]

G'Day Kimberely,

 

Greetings from " Down Under " . Before the moderator closes down this

subject, I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your

points. We struggle here in Australia with Ayurveda, as we cannot

import Ayurvedic herbs due to strict government legislation, so we

manage/educate the best we can with kitchen spices, lifestyle advice,

yoga, mantras, spiritual counselling etc, etc. I am sure Jane MacRoss

a frequent Aussie contributor to this forum will agree with my

sentiments.

 

I am of Indian descent, but for goodness sake lets try to stop all

this " we are better than them " talk. Besides the guys in the US who

have promoted Ayurveda, Todd Caldecott (Canada), Sebastian Pole (UK)

amongst others deserve a special mention, as they have done a great

service in promoting Ayurveda under very difficult circumstances in

their own countries, and they are a source of encouragement to the

likes of us battling away here in Australia. Also look at the Tibetan

Lamas who practice Tibetan medicine - absolutely phenomenal, but you

never hear them bragging.

 

Like our own Dr Bhate, the aforementioned folk are always ready to

help and advise others in an egoless way. To me they represent what

Ayurveda is all about - a journey in the pursuit about our spiritual

goals or as Todd puts it " The Divine Science of Life " - maybe that is

our " wake up " call.

Best wishes

Ray

p.s. best of luck in your work Kimberely, you have inspired me to

battle on here

 

 

ayurveda , Kimberly Curley

<timelessremedies wrote:

 

> I understand and I get it. I'm an Ayurvedic Practitioner in the

USA, and know.. that the masters are in India, hence the reason I

bring them here to teach my students and the reason I study with them

in India. But I also know that there are many professionals here in

the USA who have been trying to bring the purity of Ayurveda to the

USA, Europe, India, the world and have been fighting 20+ years...

>

[Guest guest]

Jay,

I am an Ayurveda Doctor myself(MD),from Pune and I

have psoriasis since 15 yrs now.

When I was in school I dint know much about Ayurveda

so I took allopathy treatment, it did give me

symptomatic relief.

Later when I graduated I did panchkarma on myself,

sticking to all the rules of Ayurveda.

Trust me I got very good results.I think you should go

for Panchakarma.

If you want I can suggest some the well known Vidaya`s

from Pune and around.

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Regards,

 

 

 

> My family doctor in pune - Mr Ternikar (

> Bhandarkar road) is the best allopathic doctor you

> can find in pune. i asked him about psoriasis - he

> became sad and said there is no cure for the same. i

> asked him about ayurveda/homeopathy etc and he said

> - nothing works.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Hi All.

Thanks Kimberly for your very clear opinion. I agree with you 100%.

As you mentioned, I am working in Europe to promote ayurveda - conducting my

teaching, training and treatment workshops for European doctors, therapists. I

found the doctors and therapists are more serious towards ayurveda and health,

then us - Indians.

I wish to congratulate all team members of Kimberly. Pl consider me as your team

member, as and when needed.

All the best,

Dr. Prerak Shah, www.ayulink.com

[Guest guest]

Dear Raja, Well said.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar.

 

_____

the point of the matter here is that the usa and fda and the ama have not

only a scientific bias towards Ayurveda but also a racial as well as

religious bias. so please don't think we are arguing. there are many

undercurrents that are not being addressed here because of the sensitive

nature. <snip>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is very frustrating wanting to try remedies and herbs and not being

able to find any but the most basic supplies and then of " ready made up "

products

 

Jane

 

-

" raynoronha " <raynoronha

 

> points. We struggle here in Australia with Ayurveda, as we cannot

> import Ayurvedic herbs due to strict government legislation, so we

> manage/educate the best we can with kitchen spices, lifestyle advice,

> yoga, mantras, spiritual counselling etc, etc. I am sure Jane MacRoss

> a frequent Aussie contributor to this forum will agree with my

> sentiments.

[Guest guest]

just because you guys want to gain popularity, money, etc for yourselves

that is fine, but the truth be told that kimberely knows exactly what I am

talking about on every social level here in the states. I know this sounds

bitter but just like the culture of Australia there is a culture to America

and it is well opposed to Ayurveda for several of its own good reasons.

 

 

 

sincerely,

Raja Gursahani

[Guest guest]

we just had a bad experience here, in a country in europe. a doctor who also

used to study ayurveda had invited an indian ayurvedic doctor for a conference.

he organised all through the Medical College, so it was something official and

with points of Medical Continuouse Education for participants. all sounds grate.

unfortunatelly there was also conditions: the indian doctor was not allowed to

mention anything about spirituality and he should not contact the most important

spiritual school here ( a school where people can study yoga, ayurveda,

shivaism, tantra, alchemy and so on...)

 

 

 

Dr. Prerak Shah <ayulink11

I wish to congratulate all team members of Kimberly. Pl consider me as your team

member, as and when needed.

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i had same suggestion to dr. bhate.

documentation and then marketing!!

 

in US, a person would have earned $$$$$$$$ with this much info.

 

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I would also like to suggest to people like Shirish Bhate to write a book of

his own rather than dumping everything he knows into these forums.