keloid

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I have a keloid growing slowly on my tatoo (on my right shoulder) for

almost two years. I have used some silica gels but with no results. A

physician told me my skin is very suitable for keloids and even an

acne can grow...

 

I have heard Gotu Kola is good for keloid treatment but here in Turkey

I can only find the extract in tablettes (GNC). Is it really helpful,

and are the tablettes useful?

 

I'd appreciate all your reccommendations.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Olgu

[Guest guest]

Dear Olgu,

 

For vaidya, it is not necessary to exactly match the modern science

defined disease names with those defined by ancient acharyas. Modern

science name helps to know the symptoms and even see photos of skin

diseases from literature and medical databases. This is needed only when patient

is absent and has not described his symptoms fully. If a vaidya can

understand the reasons why the condition has arisen, what kind of

forces are driving the abnormality, and can correlate with vitiation

of doshas as assessed from presence of patient, or patient agrees to try

treatments successful in similar cases earlier, he may go ahead with the

suggestions. This is acceptbale to most patients due to present scenario, also

treatment going in wrong direction becomes obvious to patient quite soon and he

can request mid-course correction or take exit without much loss. Vaidyas

generally do not give strong, rapidly acting formulations remotely.

 

Thanks for bringing in keloid name, author was unaware of it. He

collected some info from the net and libraries, but real help was

photographs at

 

http://dermatlas.med.jhmi.edu/derm/resultNoCache.cfm

 

The photographs brought the memory of one case treated successfully; that of a

male patient aged 54, where post

cardiac surgery scar at strenum had keloid growing for almost 18

months. The cortico steroids had not been able to check the growth,

but only able to supress inflamation (burning sensation and

sometimes itching).

 

Assuming that you have shoulder keloid similar to the one shown at

 

http://dermatlas.med.jhmi.edu/derm/IndexDisplay.cfm?ImageID=1779355989

 

author suggests following herbal formulation.

 

Take following herbs in proportion shown. First name is indian name,

second one in parenthesis is english name, followed by botanical

name. Hope you are able to get these in quantities indicated.

 

Sunth (Ginger, Zingiber officinale), 5 grams

Marich (Black pepper, Piper nigrum), 5 grams

Pippali (Long Pepper, Piper longum), 5 grams

Vayuvidanga (False black pepper, Embelia ribes), 10 grams

Amalki (Indian gooseberry, Emblica officinale), 5 grams

Haritaki (Chebulic myrobalan, Terminalia chebula), 5 grams

Elaichi (Cardamom, Ellataria cardamomum), 15 grams

Tejpatra (Cinnamon Cinnamomum tamala), 5 grams

Punarnava, (Hog Weed, Boerhaavia diffusa ), 5 grams

Manjistha (Indian Madder, Rubia cordifolia ), 10 grams

Lokhandi Chopchini (Chopchini, Smilax China), 10 grams

Anantmul (Indian Sarsaparilla Root ; Hemidesmus indicus), 15 grams

Kachanara Bark (Mountain ebony, Bauhinia variegata), 15 grams

Vibhitaki (Belleric myrobalan, Terminalia bellerica), 5 grams

Varuna Bark (Three Leaved Caper, Crataeva religiosa), 5 grams

Dalchini (Cinnamon, Cinnamomum zeylanicum), 5 grams

Guggulu (Indian Bedellium, Commiphora mukul), 125 grams

 

Pound or grind all the herbs except Guggulu together, taking care

that heat generated is minimum. Traditional vaidyas do pounding by

hand or in mortar and prestel. Guggulu shoud be obtained in purified

condition. That requires pounding it for hours. after fine powder of

other herbs is obtained mix with guggulu and pound again. when smooth

dough like consistency is obtained, make pea sized one thousand

tablets, each should be weighing about 250 mg. If you make only 500

tablets each 500 mg, drying them takes time. Let them become hard by

drying them in shade.

 

Take 2 tablets (250 mg each) after breakfast, 2 after lunch and two after

dinner,

slight chew and swallow with water or prefereably half a cup milk.

The tablets will last you more than five months, but author's guess

is you may get results in about two to four months only. Accordingly you may

halve each quantity in above list and make only 500 tabs each 250 mg.

 

Since this type of condition is very rare, no ready tablets are

generally availble from pharmacies.

 

The forces causing keloid growth are combined from vata/pitta and

kapha vitiation. The abnormal cell growth is the corrupted/excessive

functioning state of immune system, caused by chemical/steroidal

medication and loss of control on cell production. There are similar diseases,

which share this fact with keloid. The case which

author treated had leukemia also and was undergrowing simultaneous

allopathic treatment. But the above formulation, when made as a

distillate with cow urine rather than guggul tablets, healed the

keloid growth in approximately twelve weeks. The distillate was preferred,

since some other herbs were to be used that way to tackle leukemia

also. since making such a medicine is not possible elsewhere, author

is proposing tablets with guggulu as carrier+binder.

 

The formula proposed is not from any ancient texts, but based on

authors knowledge and very limited experience with only 1 patient of

this type. Since this is a remote advice, please treat as a

suggestion in the absense of proper assessment. For latter,

you may see your own physician, and discuss these suggestions for his

consent.

 

- In ayurveda , " olgualibeygil "

<olgualibeygil wrote:

> I have a keloid growing slowly on my tatoo (on my right shoulder)

for

> almost two years. I have used some silica gels but with no results.

A

> physician told me my skin is very suitable for keloids and even an

> acne can grow...

>

> I have heard Gotu Kola is good for keloid treatment but here in

Turkey

> I can only find the extract in tablettes (GNC). Is it really

helpful,

> and are the tablettes useful?

[Guest guest]

Dear olgu,

Author wishes to help you a little, but needs a little more info to shape the

herbal formula.

 

Can you visit the link:

http://ayurveda-foryou.com/clinical_ayurveda/prakriti6.html

 

and inform your result?

 

This is not proper way to assess the patient

condition, but if one wishes to suggest something, and if he needs

some support, it can be drawn from such a hazy picture too. If you ask software

experts they will tell about a whole branch of technology based on how human

intelligence works!

 

ayurveda , " olgualibeygil "

<olgualibeygil wrote:

> I have a keloid growing slowly on my tatoo (on my right shoulder) for

> almost two years. I have used some silica gels but with no results. A

> physician told me my skin is very suitable for keloids and even an

> acne can grow...

[Guest guest]

what will hold this together are these to be dry

herbs?

If they are, then what will hold them together

--- Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote:

<snip>

> Sunth (Ginger, Zingiber officinale), 5 grams

> Marich (Black pepper, Piper nigrum), 5 grams

> Pippali (Long Pepper, Piper longum), 5 grams

> Vayuvidanga (False black pepper, Embelia ribes), 10

> grams

> Amalki (Indian gooseberry, Emblica officinale), 5

> grams

> Haritaki (Chebulic myrobalan, Terminalia chebula),

> 5 grams

> Elaichi (Cardamom, Ellataria cardamomum), 15 grams

> Tejpatra (Cinnamon Cinnamomum tamala), 5 grams

> Punarnava, (Hog Weed, Boerhaavia diffusa ), 5

> grams

> Manjistha (Indian Madder, Rubia cordifolia ), 10

> grams

> Lokhandi Chopchini (Chopchini, Smilax China), 10

> grams

> Anantmul (Indian Sarsaparilla Root ; Hemidesmus

> indicus), 15 grams

> Kachanara Bark (Mountain ebony, Bauhinia variegata),

> 15 grams

> Vibhitaki (Belleric myrobalan, Terminalia

> bellerica), 5 grams

> Varuna Bark (Three Leaved Caper, Crataeva

> religiosa), 5 grams

> Dalchini (Cinnamon, Cinnamomum zeylanicum), 5 grams

> Guggulu (Indian Bedellium, Commiphora mukul), 125

> grams

<snip>

[Guest guest]

If you study the proportions in the receipe, notice what is highest

in proportion. That is binder. But to get a good adhesive force, it

must be pure. It is a natures rule that when we add other things,

some soft materials become hard and bind other things together. For

instance, take all alloy steels, brass, stainless steel, high

strength concretes that have special additives etc. Humans too

harden after going through ups and downs of life, in undesirable

company, after taking natures slapping through calaminities!

 

ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven

wrote:

>

> what will hold this together are these to be dry

> herbs?

> If they are, then what will hold them together

> --- Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote:

> <snip>

> > Sunth (Ginger, Zingiber officinale), 5 grams

> > Marich (Black pepper, Piper nigrum), 5 grams

> > Pippali (Long Pepper, Piper longum), 5 grams

> > Vayuvidanga (False black pepper, Embelia ribes), 10

> > grams

> > Amalki (Indian gooseberry, Emblica officinale), 5

> > grams

> > Haritaki (Chebulic myrobalan, Terminalia chebula),

> > 5 grams

> > Elaichi (Cardamom, Ellataria cardamomum), 15 grams

> > Tejpatra (Cinnamon Cinnamomum tamala), 5 grams

> > Punarnava, (Hog Weed, Boerhaavia diffusa ), 5

> > grams

> > Manjistha (Indian Madder, Rubia cordifolia ), 10

> > grams

> > Lokhandi Chopchini (Chopchini, Smilax China), 10

> > grams

> > Anantmul (Indian Sarsaparilla Root ; Hemidesmus

> > indicus), 15 grams

> > Kachanara Bark (Mountain ebony, Bauhinia variegata),

> > 15 grams

> > Vibhitaki (Belleric myrobalan, Terminalia

> > bellerica), 5 grams

> > Varuna Bark (Three Leaved Caper, Crataeva

> > religiosa), 5 grams

> > Dalchini (Cinnamon, Cinnamomum zeylanicum), 5 grams

> > Guggulu (Indian Bedellium, Commiphora mukul), 125

> > grams

> <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

is it really the case, that without adding any water or honey or ghee or fluid

that the formula will stick??

[Guest guest]

Guggulu, due to Oleoresins of Commiphora mukul, as a prime

ingredient, itself acts as a binder to make pills.

 

However, during the purification of Guggulu, several liquids

including herbal decoctions are used to impart desired properties to

guggulu. Accordingly, the procedures to make different guggulu

tablets differ somewhat. Purification of guggulu needs some liquid

and boiling. You may explore some purification procedures:

 

http://www.holistic-herbalist.com/guggulipid.html

 

but if guggulu is not good quality, is old, its resin has lost

binding power due to its environment, then small addition of honey or

similar substance may be needed. Thre are some herbs, they have

their own binding power. If you store them, they will absorb little

moisture and stick to become nodules/lumps. Some herbs, when boiled

with water, make thick paste and paste can be made into dough

suitable for rolling tablets.

 

Often purity of the herbal powder can be judged this way. Even floor

of cereals, if they become old, loose their dough forming capability,

or electrical binding force. Take jaggery for instance. If chemicals

are added during its making, to get good color, remove salty taste,

then some minerals are denatured. Such jaggery, when stored will not

loose its hardness, will break when we try to break it. On the other

hand, the chemical free jaggery starts absorbing moisture in monsoon

days, and becommes very soft and plastic, you can use it as binder in

some medicines. such jaggery gives a little salty taste due to

minerals present in them.

 

The compatibility between different substances can also be studied by

this simple attraction/repulsion/separation process. This way it is

easier to understand why sea salt, jaggery, lemon juice is

incompatbile with milk.

 

The binding force between medicine particles are of electrical

nature, and this theory can be taken right upto formation of seven

dhatus in human body, their enrichment through yoga, meditation,

breathing, sunlight etc. Food is not essential for sustaining life,

but bio-energy is.

 

ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven

wrote:

>

> is it really the case, that without adding any water or honey or

ghee or fluid that the formula will stick??

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much. Yes, the one on my shoulder looks like the

pictures you sent, fortunately not that serious yet.

I'll do my best to find all the herbs you mentioned and try. If I'll

be able to find and form the formula, I'll let you know about the

result.

Warm regards,

Olgu