Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Is the process of snehapana suitable for a person with high cholesterol. When i asked my teacher about this,he told there is nothing said about cholesterol in Ayurveda. Moreover when a person with high cholesterol drinks ghee it cleans the strotras and thus helps to lower it. Even though his arguement was clear and on the basis Ayurveda, i still cant accept it. Please explain in detail abt snehapana in people with high cholesterol values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Hi, Several times, I have came across the same question. My understanding is Cow's ghee is good for HDL. It does not increases LDL, as all other fat. I have heard and read several times this form media, seminars etc... I am doing snehpana as classical text describes during panchkarma in my patients with high cholesterol, by grace of Lord Dhanvantari, there is no complications till date. Dr. Prerak Shah, Ahmedabad www.ayulink.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 hi riyaz what you need to rid yourself of is the mistaken notion that dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol are necessarily related in large part this idea is a marketing campaign based on flawed, outdated science, carried on by producers of " low fat / cholesterol free " products for more info see: http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAE78.htm http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_1.html http://www.thincs.org/ you don't state what form of snehapana you are concerned about, but in the case of acchapana i suspect that very little of the ghee is actually absorbed the large amounts consumed functions to stimulate bile synthesis and secretion, resulting in loose fatty stools the net result is that it pulls fat-soluble toxins out the body, i.e. cleanses the srotas of ama the bigger concern for me would be the presence of gall stones, which might be ejected in thrown in the bile ducts causing pancreatic reflux best... todd caldecott On 5-Jun-07, at 3:13 AM, ayurveda wrote: > Posted by: " Riyaz Nazimudheen " riyazn123 riyazn123 > Is the process of snehapana suitable for a person with > high cholesterol. <snip> i still cant accept it. Please > explain in detail abt snehapana in people with high > cholesterol values Caldecott todd www.toddcaldecott.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Very simple. Get the cholesterol report before snehapaan and follow it with another cholesterol report after completion of snehapaan course. And get yourself convinced as to who is more correct Dr.D.B.Muzumdar ________________________ Is the process of snehapana suitable for a person with high cholesterol. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Suitability of snehapana for a person having high cholesterol can be found by himself. Simplest and most inexpensive without the uncertainity about reliability of two tests carried out at different epochs in calendar. Who will certify the pathologist's accuracy? The result of following tests are immediately available at same spot, in maximum of 40 minutes. And no third party, patient himslef is best Vaidya here. Following tests can be done by anyone at any point on planet, to assess the suitability of any oil, food, drink to himself/herself. Many convertd to vegan dharma after doing these tests with meat. http://health.ayurveda/message/3055 http://health.ayurveda/message/4511 Needless to say, moderation (viveka) is needed everywhere. Sugar essential for existence but in excess will cause obesity. Sneha is good. Can we have permanent breakfast of sneha alone? ______________________ > Very simple. Get the cholesterol report before snehapaan and follow it with another cholesterol report after completion of snehapaan course. > And get yourself convinced as to who is more correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I don't understand why this group is considering modern medicine systems like a enemy. Injudicious use may be blamed, but why accuse the whole science? Why resist pathological reports and other diagnostic methods when it is a third party unbiased computerised inference? Dr.D.B.Muzumdar - Shirish Bhate <snip> Simplest and most inexpensive without the uncertainity about reliability of two tests carried out at different epochs in calendar. Who will certify the pathologist's accuracy? The result of following tests are immediately available at same spot, in maximum of 40 minutes. And no third party, patient himslef is best Vaidya here. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I suspect that people miss that personal touch. Plus most of the vaidyas are of Indian descent and everyone knows that Indian doctors are the very best, or at least that has been my experience. The computer stuff is a godsend; I only wish the doctors around here weren't quite so dependent upon it. Sometimes they will believe the report and not be able to factor for more complex information. The algorithm is too limited. Some doctors also see things as 100% or nothing--and if the tests are ambiguous then it is nothing. Also, I have run across the situation with my arthritis in which the test for whatever that antibody is--I want to say rh factor--has come back negative and they decide I don't have arthritis. It was positive when I was diagnosed and all my labs change according to whether I have been on huge doses of nsaids or steroids or whatever. From what I have read, that is not a 100 percent indicator of rheumatoid arthritis anyway. If I am tested when I am not in flare, my tests don't look that far off. Even after that particular doctor saw the mri of my knees with very plain arthritic changes that the computer program diagnosed, she preferred to shine me on about the arthritis. I am not asking for narcotics, just some methotrexate or other dmard. She said once in an appointment that I have all the symptoms, but the labs aren't quite right for it. They just happened to be right on when I was diagnosed or I would believe that I was crazy like she obviously does. Now, as I watch my fingers actually changing shape because the arthritis has never been adequately treated, except by that first doctor, I am aggravated and wondering what I can do if anything besides all the stuff I am already doing (nsaids, tramadol, occasionally some steroids, boswellia and castor oil and mahanarayana oil and ice). I have been referred to a rheumatologist a couple of times but something happened each time--the first one went to jail for having bomb stuff and weapons and drugs in his office and the second one apparently has a 2 year waiting list. It is easier to get to see the tooth fairy. Darla On 6/8/07, muzumdar <dahpc wrote: > > I don't understand why this group is considering modern medicine systems > like a enemy. Injudicious use may be blamed, but why accuse the whole > science? Why resist pathological reports and other diagnostic methods when > it is a third party unbiased computerised inference? > > Dr.D.B.Muzumdar ><snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 in whhich country do u live, darla? in my country we know about sero-negative tipe of arthritis and if from clinical point of view u have enough criteria than u have the diagnostic and treatment (without MRI confirmation needed). it is true, we r still a poor country, so we have to stick more to clinical exam than expensive investigations. but now the official guide-book is harrisson, an american one, and i learned from there that the therapy is according to the level of articular modification and not according to some blood tests. anyway, i'm sure the experienced ayurvedic doctors here will help u. i can recomand u shark cartilage extract (unless u r vegetarian) and NONI to rebalance immune system. Darla Wells <lethe9 Friday, June 8, 2007 9:26:51 PM <snip> The computer stuff is a godsend; I only wish the doctors around here weren't quite so dependent upon it. Sometimes they will believe the report and not be able to factor for more complex information.<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I am in the US but don't have good insurance, so I go to the local charity hospital. It is a teaching hospital, but is extremely overwhelmed since the hurricanes tore up our coast in 2005. At our hospital we see interns or the occasional nurse practitioner and they could use a little more experience sometimes. Our doctors used to be really good about trusting themselves and their own diagnoses without too much technology, but they are extremely afraid of getting sued if they mess up. Our really old doctors are better that way, but many are getting out of the business because of the demands of the HMO's. I may try what you recommended. The vaidya I talk to on the phone is a few states away and he has always been very helpful. I get very good help for the chronic conditions from him and when I have acute problems I go to the local hospital. What I like about the ayurvedic herbs is that they seem to have effects on more than one problem at a time; when I started taking the shilaaki for the arthritis, it made my blood sugars go down too. I suspect that one of our problems here in the US is that we watch all the medical miracles on television and expect the same thing for ourselves--the impossible. Plus there is a kind of self-righteous puritan outlook that says that if we diet and exercise and do everything right, our diseases will never progress, and that if things do get worse it is both our fault and a moral issue. We do get old and die, we do not always get well, and sometimes we can do our very best and still the diseases will win. That said, I am working very hard on the diabetes and the overweight either way, first priority, because while the arthritis makes me very miserable, the diabetes is a faster killer. I am making more progress with keeping the sugars under control, but the weight just does not want to cooperate unless I go to some very extreme measures. I may have to do that though because all my conditions would be improved. Darla On 6/8/07, criiii dum <dumicita wrote: > > in whhich country do u live, darla? in my country we know about > sero-negative tipe of arthritis and if from clinical point of view u have > enough criteria than u have the diagnostic and treatment (without MRI > confirmation needed<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I am very much disturbed by your personal account. But some things need to be cleared at this point. >Pathological reports give a clue to what is happening in the body which cannot be seen directly. They are never meant to replace the doctor's judgement. Otherwise all the medical colleges would have closed. Any medical person relying totally on reports cannot be worth his medical knowledge. But these tests are a essential chain in diagnosis when the doctor has a doubt about patient's condition. >Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) is a fussy disease. It can lead to destructive changes and in such cases, it is resistant to any sort of treatment, even steroids. There is one type of RA where blood RA factor is negative. Such type is known as Sero-negative RA. Sometimes RA is positive in initial stages and at some later stage of treatment, it can turn negative in blood tests.. In your case, you were mis-handled by whoever treated you. It is very essential that you know all the modalities of any disease before you start treating, otherwise it can cause misunderstanding and the same is then propagated to others. It is like we would be blaming the electricity because we cannot handle the electrical appliances properly. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayurvedic-Medicine, INDIA < dahpc > Darla Wells ____________________ I suspect that people miss that personal touch. Plus most of the vaidyas are of Indian descent and everyone knows that Indian doctors are the very best, or at least that has been my experience. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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