new to the list

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the welcome. I have not felt offended, and

like I said, I'm glad to learn the truth.

Joy

 

--- Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote:

> Hi Joy,

>

> > Greetings in peace,

>

> Yes .. my hands are away from my weapons .. ;-p

>

> As one of the most vocal anti-Young Living and

> anti-MR. Gary Young folks

> around, I welcome you. I believe most YL

> distributors are just normal

> folks trying to make a decent living .. and I know

> that as time passes

> and they begin to learn there is life outside YL,

> they begin to wonder

> why they stayed as long as they did. In fact, they

> are victims of a

> different sort because they are independent

> distributors who will be

> left alone to face the music if something bad goes

> down .. :-(

>

> > Hi, my name is Joy and I live in North Carolina.

> I'm interested

> > in aromatherapy, herbs, natural and cruelty-free

> personal care

> > products, and " natural healing " in general.

> > I was almost afraid at first to introduce myself,

> as I am a Young

> > Living distributor and I saw some negative post

> about YLEO.

>

> Only some? Jeez .. I goofed up .. :-P

>

> > But ya know, I think that it is good that I joined

> this list

> > so that I can get both sides of the story and make

> better

> > decisions about being involved with that company.

> I'm hoping to

> > transition to my own business rather than depend

> on their

> > compensation plan.

>

> According to most YL distributors I know, their

> compensation plan leaves

> much to be desired .. and I am told that the

> majority of the folks do

> not go much beyond the initial stages of buying into

> the program.

>

> > I am thrilled to find that there are other

> businesses that sell

> > quality oils that are not so terribly expensive!

>

> There are hundreds of them .. and as they are not

> MLMs, they don't share

> profits with up/down lines so they can sell for

> less.

>

> > Its nice to be in a friendly place to discuss oils

> and soaps

> > and what not without all the hype.

>

> Please don't ever take anything I write personally

> .. I am not against

> the average YL distributor .. I am against the

> organization itself and

> if you read the expose I posted that is contained in

> Kathleen's Online

> publication, you will get an idea of the shenagans

> of Gary Young. Also,

> here is a URL you can check that might help you in

> your search for the

> truth http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/ylfiles.html

>

> I truly believe the YL victimizes people .. it is

> for his reason only

> that I post what I know about them.

>

> You will find this list to be very polite and

> friendly and few members

> are as blunt and rowdy as I might appear to be ..

> but my heart is good

> and I love puppy dawgs and old folks .. :-P

>

> > Good health to you,

> > Joy

>

> And to you .. and speaking for myself only, I do

> sincerely welcome you.

>

> Y'all keep smiling, Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

 

Welcome to the group. Here is what is suggested from the lists files: High Blood Pressure: TotalTonic w/ extra Garlic; Heart Formula; DMSO; Vit E & CoQ10; Enzymes; Panther Piss; The Total Body Cleanse Program. All of these can be found in the files and I will tell you there is a wealth of information within them. Take the time to peruse them. Cayenne and ginger are both quite good at helping normalize BP. But the above will do wonders for anyone. I hope this helps and do not be afraid to ask anything. There is always someone here to help and lots of us are knowlegable in many, many different ways.

 

Don

 

-

Sharon

herbal remedies

Friday, September 13, 2002 6:11 PM

[herbal remedies] New to the list

Hello everyone,I recently joined the list and needed some advice for several things but will start with high blood pressure.I have been on medication for HBP since I was 29 year old ( yes it is hereditary ) I am 40 now. I truly think these meds have taken away every ounce of energy in my body and as I age it only becomes worse.I would really like to find a natural way of controlling it. Is it possible to do this or do I just need to find a herbal remedy for energy? It will be hard to include more pills to take I can tell you that. I take LOTS already. I have to take Feverfew for migraines and Valerian to help me sleep at night. Plus my BP meds and a diuretic.I am on a very high dose of meds to control my BP so it is quite a problem.SharonSharon and Alex DavisShady Acres Goat Farm Pine Mt. Ga 31822sadav43http://home.earthlink.net/~sadav43/ShadyAcresPage/Page_1x.htmlKiko Meat Goats, Boers and Working Great PyrsFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

experiment... one may work while another does not... we are all different... I went thru lots of herbs with my father..He now takes garlic and msm every day = he still has a BP med he takes but they have cut him back on his drugs... His doc says whatever he is doing to keep doing it... he has a cool doc for a medico.... Dad tells him that its me with herbs... (the dr knows me)... We went thru evening primrose, COQ10, garlic, cayenne, combination herbs, etc... Cayenne upset him... he to this day won't take cayenne...lol... he even takes echinacea when needed... Now when he has something going on (he's 85) he calls "Dr. Suzi"... Actually, he has mom call to tell me he needs "Dr. Suzi" lol... I'm daddy's little girl!.. If I tell him it might work he'll try it.... Dad is my "Mikey" (remember Mikey, he'll try anything) So try one herb for a few weeks - if no change, try another... but the total tonic is great stuff...once you get it down...lol. Try it and say garlic to start with.

Suzi

Sharon wrote:

Thanks Don,When you say check the list file do you mean the archives? Panther Piss?? Would I have to take ALL of these for it to work? If I take this many pills in a day I won't have to worry about eating anymore :)Thanks again,Sharonherbal remedies, "Donald Eitner" wrote:> Hi Sharon,> > Welcome to the group. Here is what is suggested from the lists files: High Blood Pressure: TotalTonic w/ extra Garlic; Heart Formula; DMSO; Vit E & CoQ10; Enzymes; Panther Piss; The Total Body Cleanse Program. All of these can be found in the files and I will tell you there is a wealth of information within them. Take the time to peruse them. Cayenne and ginger are both quite good at helping normalize BP. But the above will do wonders for anyone. I hope this helps and do not be afraid to ask anything. There is always someone here to help and lots of us are knowlegable in many, many different ways. > > Don

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb

 

Rahnny

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Serra,

If you go north to Charlevoix...look me up

C-M

[Guest guest]

I sure will, C-M, especially if we have to go to Wisconsin the long way (I was

born and raised there).

Thanks

Serra

 

 

Christa Maria wrote:

 

> Hi Serra,

> If you go north to Charlevoix...look me up

> C-M

>

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

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[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone,

I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker

 

Hey girl! Welcome!! You will love this list!

Hugs

neysa

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Neysa,

We've gotta stop meeting like this lol!

Seriously, thanks to you and Butch for suggesting this list, and I think I will

like it here

Serra

 

 

Neysa Dormish wrote:

 

> Hi, everyone,

> I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker

>

> Hey girl! Welcome!! You will love this list!

> Hugs

> neysa

>

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

http://www.angelicprovidence.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Neysa,

We've gotta stop meeting like this lol!

 

Fersure!

 

Seriously, thanks to you and Butch for suggesting this list, and I think I will

like it here

 

 

I KNOW you will. Besides all Butch's wit and wisdom we have others here who are

wonderfully knowledgeable!

Love ya

Neysa

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list Serra,

 

I'm glad you're already enjoying it here. We're glad to have you aboard!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

Serra [serraangel]

 

 

Hi, everyone,

I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker in

Southeastern Michigan, just south of Brighton. My fiance shares his home

with me, two dogs, a cat who thinks she's a dog unless it's catnip time,

and large amounts of supplies to make soaps, balms, lotions, incense,

and anything else my slightly insane little mind cooks up.

So far I really like the list, especially the way the thread on

immigrants, immigration and expectations on both sides is being handled.

Sentiment is polarized; however, it's not nasty, flaming, personally

insulting or generally awful to put up with. I prefer lists with adults

on them, and it's nice to find another good one.

Thanks for letting me join,

Serra

 

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

http://www.angelicprovidence.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome, I'm Kathy from Ohio. I live near Cedar Point.

 

 

-

Serra

Oils, Herbs, etc.

5/17/2004 3:04:42 PM

New to the list

 

 

Hi, everyone,

I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker in

Southeastern Michigan, just south of Brighton. My fiance shares his home

with me, two dogs, a cat who thinks she's a dog unless it's catnip time,

and large amounts of supplies to make soaps, balms, lotions, incense,

and anything else my slightly insane little mind cooks up.

So far I really like the list, especially the way the thread on

immigrants, immigration and expectations on both sides is being handled.

Sentiment is polarized; however, it's not nasty, flaming, personally

insulting or generally awful to put up with. I prefer lists with adults

on them, and it's nice to find another good one.

Thanks for letting me join,

Serra

 

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

http://www.angelicprovidence.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html

 

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[Guest guest]

Hiya Kathy, I've been wanting to go to Cedar Point, just been too dang busy.

Smiles,

Serra

 

 

RICHARD L HOHLER wrote:

 

> Welcome, I'm Kathy from Ohio. I live near Cedar Point.

>

> -

> Serra

> Oils, Herbs, etc.

> 5/17/2004 3:04:42 PM

> New to the list

>

> Hi, everyone,

> I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker in

> Southeastern Michigan, just south of Brighton.

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

http://www.angelicprovidence.com

[Guest guest]

I wish you well. My daughter has a pass and has enjoyed going for about 3

years. My husband and I just stay away. The tickets cost close to $50 a piece

plus parking. It is just a little too rich for my blood plus we don't enjoy the

rides too much.

 

 

-

Serra

 

5/19/2004 11:44:09 AM

Re: New to the list

 

 

Hiya Kathy, I've been wanting to go to Cedar Point, just been too dang busy.

Smiles,

Serra

 

 

RICHARD L HOHLER wrote:

 

> Welcome, I'm Kathy from Ohio. I live near Cedar Point.

>

> -

> Serra

> Oils, Herbs, etc.

> 5/17/2004 3:04:42 PM

> New to the list

>

> Hi, everyone,

> I'm Deb, but everyone online calls me Serra. I'm a soapmaker in

> Southeastern Michigan, just south of Brighton.

 

--

Work like you don't need the money.

Love like you've never been hurt.

Dance like nobody's watching.

Sing like nobody's listening.

Live like it's Heaven on Earth.

http://www.angelicprovidence.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html

 

To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link:

/join

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Listmates:

After many years of being sick, I pretty much gave up on traditional medicine.

As most of what they offered me was antidepressants, steroids, and antibiotics.

Not to say these are useful in certain circumstances, its just wasn't helping me

and actually made matters worse. My thyroid had taken a vacation, and

my joints were aching and swelling, I felt sickly, had a long tour of Mono, & female issues

also started acting up. So its was a puzzel to figure out which gland or

region of my body was to blame for all this distress. I was given a list of several

disorders that I was apparently was supposed to have. I spent the first part of this ordeal,

making lots of DR's appts, and dragging myself to see more specialists, only

to end up feeling about the same, but worse metally thinking I was never

going to get help.

The last year I have used acupuncture and yoga to help me feel better.

Recently still struggling

decided to run some tests on heavy metals, and they came back, extremely high.

So I am looking for the best mode to cleanse my body of these toxins. And it

may also mean I have some viruses that have contributed to my lack of well being.

Life has been extremely stressful for the last decade ( I will spare the details, as they

are too many and boring).

I am working on getting my amalgam fillings removed ( should have done this a long

time ago!) I have had many vaccines, and suspect that has increased my

distress as well. Many years ago, I had a Flu vaccine, and it put me out of

Commission for about 2 months. And thinking back, seems like this is when I

started going down hill.

So I am also looking for new ideas and ways to incorporate ways to de-stress,

and live a healthier life style as long as I walk the planet.

Sorry this is so long.

Allie

 

** I also had to include this article below, as I read the last

sentence that small risks were worth taking??

 

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/11098160.htmFort Worth Star Telegram, TXPosted on Thu, Mar. 10, 2005Doctors say flu shot may be linked to boy's mysterious illnessAssociated PressSAN ANTONIO - A South Texas boy's mysterious and debilitating illness hasdrawn attention from doctors across the country, some of whom suspect that aflu shot may be to blame.Five-year-old Maurice Lamkin was healthy and happy until Oct. 27, when hereceived the vaccination at a clinic. That night he developed a fever, and afew days later he ended up in an intensive care unit, his brain swelling aspuzzled doctors reviewed his case.He fought for his life for 40 days and, after a stay at a rehabilitationfacility, returned home on New Year's Day. But he can't speak and hasreturned to diapers, and all of his meals must be pureed to the texture ofbaby food.While some doctors suspect the flu shot is to blame, others say it'sprobably just a coincidence.Dr. Kenneth Mack, a pediatric neurologist who consulted on Maurice's case,said an adverse reaction to the flu shot can cause encephalitis, aninflammation of the brain."The body's immune system can get overactive and attack the brain," he said.Maurice's pediatrician recommended he get a flu shot because he has asthmaand lives in a home with his infant sister. He had been vaccinated oncebefore without ill effects.His mother, Michelle Mouille, said she regrets having him vaccinated."He was just a healthy little boy. He was running around - he was so proudbecause he'd just learned to write his first and last name," Mouille said."He was living his life, singing, dancing, wrestling with his brother - it'sso hard to understand."Maurice's case has been reported to the Centers for Disease Control andPrevention's National Vaccine Monitoring System. Dr. John Iskander, anepidemiologist and pediatrician with the agency, said the cause of Maurice'sillness may remain a mystery."It's very difficult to make a determining decision whether the flu vaccinewas to blame," he said.Iskander said the CDC will monitor other reports of reactions to see if apattern emerges.But he reminded parents that the benefits of getting a flu shot outweigh thesmall risk of a vaccine causing serious harm. Each year in the UnitedStates, about 36,000 people die of the flu and 200,000 are hospitalized.

[Guest guest]

ANNETTE WELCOME TO THE GROUP

 

-

txrose1967

herbal remedies

Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:51 AM

Herbal Remedies - New to the list

Hello Everyone I am new to this list and I just started on trying to go all natural. I started back in may 05 by tossing my diabetes prescriptions and going to herbs and vitamins that I read about in a book by Dr. James Chappell. I am doing much better in controlling my glucose levels with diet and herbs.I really would like to learn more I have been reading books on herbs and different foods and what they do. Is there any kind of classes or schools that will teach you on how to grow your own herbs and know how to use them. I really would like to be able to learn more. I have started by trying to go back and read all the messages ( there is a lot of them).Thanks for any infoAnnette

[Guest guest]

I had taken a test to see what dosha I am. I am 32 for vata and 13

apiece for pitta and kapha. What am I?

Also, the diet seems totally candida prone according to the Life Of

Balance book by Maya Tiwari. There are a lot of grains and fruits that

I cannot handle. I have multiple chemical sensitivities and some

electrical too. I have been tested for candida but is always negative.

Usually when I eat fruit or grains, my heart rate goes up but that is

the only thing that bothers me.

I was impressed with the test because vata is me to a tee!

Thanks for any advice.

[Guest guest]

hi. i'm not sure what test u took. and maybe ur type is not vata but u have vata

accumulated... there r only suppositions. u need an ayurvedist check on u

 

 

 

joycesoos <joycesoos

I had taken a test to see what dosha I am. I am 32 for vata and 13

apiece for pitta and kapha. What am I?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Can you please clarify on - " multiple chemical sensitivities and some electrical

too "

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar.

M.D.Ayu-Med.

< dahpc >

-

joycesoos

<snip> There are a lot of grains and fruits that

I cannot handle. I have multiple chemical sensitivities and some

electrical too. <snip>

[Guest guest]

I cannot handle fabric softeners, perfumes, petrochemicals, along with EMF

connected with televisions, computers, etc. I can handle being on this computer

for about 1-2 hours before coming down with a headache. The others mentioned

above can cause migraines, feeling of allergic reactions like closing of throat,

dizziness, etc. I usually avoid all things that cause these symptoms, including

people! It is not worth it if I must suffer for up to 3 days afterwards. I have

had this now for 14 years.

You could call this environmental illness.

 

muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

Can you please clarify on - " multiple chemical sensitivities and some

electrical too "

<snip>

[Guest guest]

EMF sensitivity can be tackled by prevention rather than cure, since

we need to change the lifestyle slightly. EMF effects are discussed in an

earlier message

 

ayurveda/message/6794

 

Some measures are suggested here.

 

Strong alternative electromagnetic fields of about 50 to 60 Hz,

depending on which part of globe we are in, are also harmful to us.

These energy fields exist around high voltage transmission lines,

power tools, electric stoves, heaters, boilers, freezers, television

sets and computer monitors when in use and extend several feet,

sometimes even yards, around each appliance.

 

This pollution disturbs sleep and therefore detoxification schedule

(Circadian rhythm) of liver,spleen etc causing toxin load. wake up

with a headache, uneasiness or fatigue, traditional signs of pitta

vitiation and the most likely candidates for obesity too. Try to

minimize electromagnetic pollution, especially while sleeping,

when the pineal gland is most susceptible, by sleeping in the dark,

or at least covering eyes to produce the immune-stimulating hormone

melatonin. During day, take a break of few minutes while usiing computers.

Proper grounding of computer and table helps. Monitor screens are helpful to

some extent.

 

Switch off all power points and unplug all electric leads with 2-pin

plugs in the bedroom before going to sleep, watch that there are no

live electric wires inside the wall near the head and try to sleep

with the head in a northerly or easterly direction. The effect of

negative ions emitted by window air conditioners is already discussed

in posts in Iron rules of health series in this group.

 

Many blood cancer cases come from slum areas where high voltage power

transmission lines cross above them. In fact a typical hum can be

heard from these power lines due to the corona effect underneath

them. Slum dwellers are neither aware of these health risks nor are

warned about them by the authorities.

 

To recover from the exposure to EMF effects, sit on a chair, heel

touching the heel, about 3 inches distance between big toes, hands

cupped over knees, knees touching each other, spine erect. MOre

advantage if you are barefoot and the ground is wet. This is ideally

done in a garden or courtyard. close the eyes, and breath slowly.

when brerathing in, start passing mind through spine, from rectum end

to head end. When breathing out, pass the mind in reverse direction.

When one is working in a radiation filled room, he should go to a

shielded room which has thick walls made from lead blocks. Lead

blocks are used everywhere where high energy radiations emitted by

isotopes, various alpha, beta, gamma sources exist. Wet ground is

poor mans decontamination room. Earth and water together are

grounding elements, in electrical sense too!

 

ayurveda , Joyce Soos <joycesoos

wrote:

>

> I cannot handle fabric softeners, perfumes, petrochemicals, along

with EMF connected with televisions, computers, etc. I can handle

being on this computer for about 1-2 hours before coming down with a

headache. The others mentioned above can cause migraines, feeling of

allergic reactions like closing of throat, dizziness, etc. I usually

avoid all things that cause these symptoms, including people!<snip>

[Guest guest]

Joyce, did you ever read Steven Levine's excellent work on

environmental illness? He showed how excess free radicals are at the

root of this ailment.

 

Levine, Stephen A., and Parris M. Kidd. Antioxidant Adaptation: Its

Role in Free Radical Pathology. Allergy Research Group, 1986.

 

To see how that fits into Ayurveda, you can pick up this book:

Sharma, Hari. Freedom from Disease: How to Control Free Radicals, a

Major Cause of Aging and Disease. Atrium Publishers Group, 1993.

 

It's only $0.37 on Amazon.com (US).

 

David

http://blog.freeradicalfederation.com/

 

Joyce Soos <joycesoos wrote:

>

> I cannot handle fabric softeners, perfumes, petrochemicals, along

with EMF connected with televisions, computers, etc. <snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Valarie,

 

Welcome to the group. Nice to have experienced people around.

It would be good if you could share with us any

twitter/friendfeed/Linked-In profiles so that we all can remain

connected within/outside this forum.

Infact I request all of the people in this group to share their

FriendFeed/Facebook profiles...

 

Wishing you good health,

 

Regards,

Puneet Aggarwal

www.herbscancure.com/blog/

Follow me on Friendfeed at : http://friendfeed.com/herbalist

 

_____________

>I live in Gwinnett County (13 miles east of Stone Mountain, GA)........>Ive

been looking through the list archives ..... I have studied and applied Ayurveda

for almost 40 years, so I look forward to learning more info here.