Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 criiii dum <dumicita wrote: > . . . > i'm not eating eggs, because i don't like them. > but some will condamn me for eating cheese. >< No not you, but eggs, cheese and meat can be condemned for their cholesterol content alone. A comparison follows: Cholesterol Content of Common Foods (in milligrams per 100 gram portion rounded to whole numbers) ANIMAL FOOD: Eggs, whole 550 Kidney, beef 375 Liver, beef 300 Butter 250 Oysters 200 Cream Cheese 120 Lard 95 Beefsteak 70 Lamb 70 Pork 70 Chicken 60 Ice Cream 45 PLANT FOOD: All grains 0 All vegetables 0 All nuts 0 All seeds 0 All legumes 0 All vegetable oils 0 Source - Pennington, J., Food Values of Portions Commonly Used, 45 Harper & Row, N.Y., 1985. Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 tks for letting me now this. i guess u know we need some cholesterol in order to make some hormons out of it. actually if we eat 2 boiled eggs a week, this is maximum of cholesterol we need, and we shouldn't get anymore from other sources. a pitta fire can handle more, but not kapha or vata type of agni Jyotishi <jyotish2000 ayurveda Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:26:52 AM Re: <ayurveda> Meat Shock criiii dum <dumicita > wrote: > . . . > i'm not eating eggs, because i don't like them. > but some will condamn me for eating cheese. >< No not you, but eggs, cheese and meat can be condemned for their cholesterol content alone. A comparison follows: Cholesterol Content of Common Foods (in milligrams per 100 gram portion rounded to whole numbers) ANIMAL FOOD: Eggs, whole 550 Kidney, beef 375 Liver, beef 300 Butter 250 Oysters 200 Cream Cheese 120 Lard 95 Beefsteak 70 Lamb 70 Pork 70 Chicken 60 Ice Cream 45 PLANT FOOD: All grains 0 All vegetables 0 All nuts 0 All seeds 0 All legumes 0 All vegetable oils 0 Source - Pennington, J., Food Values of Portions Commonly Used, 45 Harper & Row, N.Y., 1985. Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Cristina, This issue is not " a fighting on one's own beliefs and habits, and certainly not a waste of time. " Ayurveda has never forced a meat diet on anybody or abhorred its use. It is only the air of mis-understanding regarding the views of Ayurveda that is causing the conflict. I generally do not react when personal opinions are put on board, but when Ayurveda is USED to confirm ones views, it should be original Ayurvedic and not concocted Ayurvedic. I think that understanding Ayurveda and discussing Ayurveda is the primary aim of this group and that's why it is named " ayurvedonline " . Just limiting oneself only with short-cut remedies, herbs, free advices without seeing/knowing the patient and such things will be down-grading the vast potential of this group. There have been long debates on such sensitive issues like veg vs non-veg, where Ayurveda was side-tracked and all other aspects including religion were brought into play, and at a stage the debate was so nasty and drifting from main purpose that moderator had to intervene and stop the discussion on that subject. So read Ayurveda, use it as much as you can, but don't get misguided in the name of Ayurveda. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayu-Med < dahpc > - criiii dum pls excuse me for interfering with your conversation, but pls, don't waste your time fighting on your beliefs and habbits. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Colon cancer(C/C), a leading cancer in west, is now forging ahead in India too! Industrial meat is being proposed as one of the major risk factors. This cancer is now being found in Brahmins and Gujarathi families, a surprise to this author. Author's experience on C/C is limited to only one patient (from a brahmin family) but interestig. Author brings here his partial post from another list " cancercured " , message 24279. Re: pain relief (was Hoxsey and morphine) Everyone is looking for a magic pill to relieve cancer pain. But where is the root cause of pain? If you read some of the books written by doctors/naturopaths who had a good success in curing cancer or at least giving good quality of life, the pain root is in toxins created by metabolic waste of malignant cells. The foul smell is the key to this waste. Without going into more theory, author writes his experience. Treating a colon cancer patient, who is having 11 MDs in his family relations. Conventional techniques (surgry, chemo etc) tried 14 months back and now the new (metastasized) tumors have grown near the joint of rectum and sigmoidal colon. Everyday constipation, pain while passing dry motions and oozing of blood, two months ago. Colonoscopy revealed the location and state of tumors. about 1.5 cms long, three in number. Author treating him with panchgavya medicines and panchkarma techniques of ayurveda for last two months, despite strong opposition from MDs of his family, but according to patients' wish. Following are the results. 1. Haemoglobin levels improved, weight is maintained. 2. Motions are soft, tooth paste consistency. 3. Through motions he eliminates black foul smelling toxins. more or less thrice a day. 4. Pain is no longer there. 5. Increased energy is being felt, sleep is improved. Taste buds are active, patient is demanding diversity in food. 6. Some of MDs came to examine him, everyone tried every equipment they had and all unanimously declared that patient has improved a lot and their earlier diagnosis that " another surgery is needed " needs to be revised. Unfortunately, since it was a family gathering, the lady of the house prepared chicken, and the smell entered the patients nose. (patient was a meat eater earlier, so thought nothing much might happen). He demanded a little. against dietary restrictions. During night had a severe stomach upset, vomitted out blackish foul smelling vomit. Got a great relief afterwards. Vomit means pitta, the sour acidic content. Author gave him some ayurevdic powder to reduce the acidity of blood. But this is a very positive sign. after checking patient's liver, stomach, intestines are all OK. The Immune system has improved to an extent that any food detrimental to health is being rejected outright. Patient had a little pain in the rectum too, only after vomit the pain stopped totally. <snip> ayurveda , Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote: > > criiii dum <dumicita wrote: > > . . . > > i'm not eating eggs, because i don't like them. > > but some will condamn me for eating cheese. >< > > No not you, but eggs, cheese and meat > can be condemned for their cholesterol > content alone. A comparison follows: > > Cholesterol Content of Common Foods <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Our body can make all the cholesterol it needs. Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti criiii dum <dumicita wrote: > tks for letting me now this. i guess u know we > need some cholesterol in order to make some > hormons out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote: > > Colon cancer(C/C), a leading cancer in west, > is now forging ahead in India too! Industrial > meat is being proposed as one of the major risk > factors. . . . Sad news. The Meat-Cancer Connection: Colon Cancer and Meat: " Populations on a high-meat, high-fat diet are more likely to develop colon cancer than individuals on vegetarian . . . diets. " - Science, February 1974, page 416. Breast Cancer and Meat: " Breast Cancer Mortality " (Highest Incidence ranked first) 1. Meat-eating women 2. Lacto-ovo vegetarians 3. Pure vegetarians " - Robbins, J., Diet For A New America, Stillpoint, 1987, page 266. Prostate Cancer and Meat: " Worldwide, autopsies reveal that wherever the diet-style is similar to the American fare -- with high animal fat consumption --close to 25 percent of all men develop latent cancer of the prostate by their old age. " - Breslow, N., " Latent Carcinoma of Prostate at Autopsy in Seven Areas " International Journal Of Cancer, 20:680, 1977. Lung Cancer and Meat: Vegetarian smokers have distinctly lower rates of lung cancer than do meat-eating smokers. " - Stamler, J. " Elevated Cholesterol May Increase Lung Cancer Risk in Smokers " Heart Research Letter, 14:2, 1969. Uterine Cancer and Meat: " Many women today take estrogen pills to prevent osteoporosis. They don't know they could accomplish the same purpose by simply not eating concentrated animal proteins. Nor do they know they are greatly increasing their risk of developing uterine cancer. " - Robbins, J., Diet For A New America, Stillpoint, 1987, page 268. - McDougall, J., McDougall's Medicine, New Century, 1985, page 6. - Zeil, H., " Increased Risk of Endometrial Carcinoma . . . " New England Journal of Medicine, 293:1167, 1975. - Smith, D., " Association of Exogenous Estrogen and Endometrial Carcinoma " New England Journal of Medicine, 294:1262, 1976. - Mack, T., " Estrogens and Endometrial Cancer . . .. " New England Journal of Medicine, 294:1262, 1976. Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Noel, You always have the liberty to give yuor own opinions, but please do not tag them as Ayurvedic unless you have double-checked with the original Ayurvedic scriptures, not the translated ones. In India, we study Ayurveda for full eight years, for post-graduate degree course, with hands-on experience on patients from second year onwardsand after post-graduation,rarely do we need to drag the Samhitas for finding the references. That is the levelof acedemic training in Ayurveda. I think you understand this before commenting on me without knowing me either. My only wish is that people should know the correct stand of Ayurveda. AND that's the reason why i feel it worth to waste my precious time to reply such mails, inspite of my busy practicing schedule. I would also like to clear that I am presently at such stage of practice that I don't need to impress anybody, least of all you, whom I don't even know. My only request to you would be - whenever yuo write in the name of Ayurveda, see that you do not give peartial opinions, but stay true to the original spirit and teachings of Ayurveda. This is a clarification to your mail and I do not intend to pursue a war of words, which has nothing to do with Ayurveda in general and this forum in specific. Lrt us all work towards proper propagation of Ayurveda. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayu-Med - Noel Gilbert Dear Dr.D.B.Muzumdar. I apologize if my opinions seem to be half- baked to you but I assure you that my opinions are fully cooked. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Noel, I appreciate your approach. You have done a appreciable and laudable work for Ayurveda. Probably, it is neither your fault nor the fault of meat. What I have observed that Ayurveda which is taught to the Western world through various courses have their obvious limitations, matters of convenience, difficulty in explaining some original Oriental concepts and hence a partial understanding of Ayurveda prevails.The student who has learnt thro' such courses feels that this is the total Ayurveda, which is not true. The reference to Tamasic nature of meat is highlighted basically in religious texts. Ayurveda has never harped this issue. On contrary, it deals with physical and physiological effects of meat, whether good or bad. And too much of good can also be bad (ATIYOGA). But,still you are doing your best within the given limitations. Keep it up and all my efforts with you for REAL AYURVEDA. With love and affection, Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayu-Med. - Noel Gilbert This is from my food list in the files, and I thought it might be helpful to Zjohnallan since he is significantly underweight. Noel ~~~~~~~MEAT ~~~~~~~ Energetics and general properties <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 In 1993, I attended a family Thanksgiving dinner. I had been vegetarian for over one year. I thought " it couldn't hurt to join in the meat for this one occasion. " I ate turkey, giblets, gravy, stuffing ... everything in sight! Less than an hour later I was lying on the couch with a fever, constricted feeling in the throat and no energy - as though I had poisoned myself. That experience cemented my conviction that a vegetarian diet was best for me. Over the ensuing years I have determined that very occasional, cautious meat consumption is not an issue. In that spirit, I am approaching this new adventure. As I will not have any say in the menu for a week, I just want to be as prepared as possible to mitigate any potential " meat shock. " I wonder what it must be like for a vegetarian drafted into military service or sentenced to prison? - John Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate Colon cancer(C/C), a leading cancer in west, is now forging ahead in India too! <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Dear Dr.D.B.Muzumdar… You'll have to forgive me… This is a sore topic with me… I use to have the same debate with the founder of the school I attended. Since Ayurveda takes in consideration the body mind and Soul there can be nothing outside of the {Science of Life} so therefore there can be no separation. To me Ayurveda is this always-evolving science that incorporates anything that improves upon life; and to do this you must see Vata, Pitta and Kapha in everything and at the same time see its destructive side, and its constrictive side, in everything to find the best balance for any one particular person. The founder of the school I attended always wanted to preserve the old ways in Ayurveda, but when you do this, it puts limits on Gods ability help… You have to leave all doors open… Ayurveda didn't have MRI's back then so does that mean we shouldn't use them to help diagnose? I have used it this way with great success in my practice for years. I have two allopathic Doctors, one homeopathic Doctor and many other therapists that I used for a long time… {I am retired now, so this is why it is past tense} It is my hope that Ayurveda will incorporate all other medicine in the world some day… leaving the bad parts of course… I know there are members of this forum that take this forum more seriously then I do. I think it is a great place for the exchange of information; the do's and don'ts in life; as in a scientific discussion… but the very worst! " And dangers " place, for diagnosing and treatment of a disease. You can't do a good job on line… this forum falls really, really short of a face-to-face meeting… As far as the meat thing goes… Maybe I should have said that Ayurveda should only advocate meat during wasting diseases. Mostly because of the toxin and hormones. But we can debate that forever with no winners Once again please forgive me for getting so defensive…. Namasta …Noel… ayurveda , muzumdar <dahpc wrote: > > Dear Noel, > I appreciate your approach. You have done a appreciable and laudable work for Ayurveda. Probably, it is neither your fault nor the fault of meat. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 this is very helpful. I have located all of these items. I am particularly eager to try the Swedish Bitters as I have been attempting to increase the bitter taste in my diet. Thanks, John Caldecott <todd <snip>you had a general question about the challenge of eating meat after being veg for several years <snip>certainly taking agni-enhancing herbs such as trikatu may help, but better still will be remedies that either enhance or supplement your native acid production, including a tsp of apple cider vinegar before meals and a good full spectrum digestive enzyme with HCl acid with meals you might also consider a bitter remedy before meals, like swedish bitters, to promote sufficient bile synthesis and fat absorption <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 ayurveda , Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote: > > Noel Gilbert <noel_glbrt wrote: > > . . . > > There is perhaps nothing more nourishing or > > strengthening than meat. . . . > > " A vegetarian diet can prevent 97 percent of our > coronary occlusions. " > > - " Diet and Stress in Vascular Disease, " > Journal of The American Medical Association, > Vol. 176, No. 9, June 3, 1961, page 806. > > Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi > Om Shanti > I do not want to get into the veg/nonveg argument, but I would like to question the statement in this post. Heart disease is endemic in the vegetarian population in India and elsewhere, in the many clinics and hospitals I have worked in there are many many people with heart disease who never ate one bite of nonveg in their life. But of course this is not a argument against Vegetarianism, it is an argument against bad eating practices and using bad oils in diet, which is true for most people veg and nonveg. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 ayurveda , Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote: > > criiii dum <dumicita wrote: > > . . . > > i'm not eating eggs, because i don't like them. > > but some will condamn me for eating cheese. >< > > No not you, but eggs, cheese and meat > can be condemned for their cholesterol > content alone. This is a commonly held belief that is not supported by the evidence. Human beings are not at all harmed by the cholesterol content of foods, in fact we need cholesterol to be healthy, if we are healthy our body manufactures plenty of cholesterol every day. This is absolutely necessary for adrenal hormone (adrenal hormones are nothing more than different forms of cholesterol)production and many other functions. The issue of cholesterol is much more complicated than avoiding cholesterol containing foods. It is actually much more related to liver health, acid (Pitta) conditions in the blood, Ama accumulations, and inflamatory processes than to the amount of cholesterol in food or in the blood. Milk which is widely taken by vegetarians has plenty of cholesterol, especially if it comes from healthy animals, Cows milk has 33 mgs of cholesterol per cup, up to 14% of good milk can be cholesterol, this of course is why cheese is high in cholesterol. It is time to give up the myths about cholesterol, there was never such a concept in Ayurveda about the causes of heart disease. Eating sweets is much more relevant here than taking high cholesterol milk and other foods. There are many issues to be considered in the development of heart disease. Always mentioning cholesterol misses the main points in heart disease. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 ayurveda , Jyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote: > > Shirish Bhate <shirishbhate wrote: > > > > Colon cancer(C/C), a leading cancer in west, > > is now forging ahead in India too! Industrial > > meat is being proposed as one of the major risk > > factors. . . . > > Sad news. The Meat-Cancer Connection: > > Colon Cancer and Meat: > > " Populations on a high-meat, high-fat diet are > more likely to develop colon cancer than > individuals on vegetarian . . . diets. " > Although it is true that there are connections made between meat and bad fats in the development of many degenerative processes, this not a veg vs nonveg issue. We all can testify to our many vegetarian family members, freinds, ands acqauantainces who have all of the same disease processes as meat eaters. These issues simply must be looked at from a broader perspcetive than just veg vs nonveg. As long as vegetarians rely on these points the meat eaters can point their fingers at we vegetarians and our disease processes, millions of vegetarians are suffering degenerative disease and everyone knows this so why pretend that vegetarianism by itself protects against disease, the issues are much more complicated. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Dr.D.B.Muzumdar I can see why all the mythology trying to explain the different aspects of God, and at the same time hiding it so it will make it through the ages {Kala's} You see they did this in the bible also, so someone like Alexander who ran around burning all the libraries, would not see it as a threat. I know at some point in time that Religion, Ayurveda, Joytish, surgery, and all the other category's fell under the Vedas, and was considered one system. How and why it got separated, I am not sure of, but I think it was a big mistake. It is kind of like here in the US... where if you have a spiritual problem you see you're spiritual advisor, and if you have a mental problem you go see you're psychiatric doctor, and a physical problem, you're Medical Doctor… and I personally, don't want to see this in Ayurveda. It should be all one system because everything affects all of us… I know that only 5% or 10 % of Ayurveda has been translated into English, and I don't what to belittle anyone, or anything, but I think it is made out to be way more complicated then it really is! If you have a good understanding of Vata, Pitta and Kapha, the Srotas, and how the properties of food and herbs affect the Srotas, then the rest is quite obvious… Don't get me wrong here! The Indian Materia Medica has been a big help in my practice, but I would hope that some day Ayurveda would be taught in general schools as a way of life; like proper hygiene is now. But that is never going to happen if it is keep clouded in mystery and made to be this almighty complicated system… It should be a simple way of life where prevention is preferred over the cure… I know this is going to be hard on Ayurvedic based occupations, but much better for the masses. I don't see this happening in my lifetime, but I would like to think the world is headed in this direction… Once again you'll have to forgive me… I am a dreamer and I believe if you focus you attention on the all the wars and disease in this world then we get to keep them… but if we focus our attention on the solutions then we all get to live a better life when it comes around again… Namasta …Noel… ayurveda , muzumdar <dahpc wrote: > > Dear Noel, > I appreciate your approach. You have done a appreciable and laudable work for Ayurveda. Probably, it is neither your fault nor the fault of meat. ><snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hi Liz… A great teacher one said to me {and I never forgot it}, If you take all the oil and fat out of your diet, you lean towards cancer… but if you eat a lot of fat and oil, you lean towards cardiovascular disease… This makes a lot of sense from a Vata and Kapha point of view… The answer is to keep the good oils in your diet and exercise… Namasta …Noel… ayurveda , " Liz A Hall " <lizahallny wrote: <snip> But of course > this is not a argument against Vegetarianism, it is an argument > against bad eating practices and using bad oils in diet, which is true for most people veg and nonveg. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Liz, Very truly said. That's why Ayurveda has based its diet pattern on the Dosha and Dhatu system. Also heart disease has various causative factors besides bad diet. So it is very obvious that vegans can also suffer from heart problems. Statistics from research studies highlight the occuring coincidences in majority in the group/cohort taken under study. Some conclusions and assumptions are projected on these observations. Their importance lies in the broader understanding and may be prevention in some grave disorders. But they are not the ultimate truth. Most of our arguments are based on such research data which is liable to change when different set of observations are brought into force. Here lies the importance of individualisation pattern followed by Ayurveda.Hence, instead of arguing, we should refer the issue to the dictums of Ayurveda and get abetter understanding about the same. Dr.D.B.Muzumdar M.D.Ayu-Med < dahpc > - Liz A Hall <snip> But of course this is not a argument against Vegetarianism, it is an argument against bad eating practices and using bad oils in diet, which is true for most people veg and nonveg. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Noel The greeting is not namasta but namaste. hope you do not mind small corrections! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 --- Liz A Hall <lizahallny wrote: > it is > an argument > against bad eating practices and using bad oils in > diet, which is true > for most people veg and nonveg. Liz > > Very true. Indian people put enough oil in their food to float a ship! They also reuse that oil. Fry gulab jamoon, then fry samosa and then use the oil for cooking. Cholesterol is indeed necessary, but it should be pure. Oils should not be carcenogenic. The fat obtained in milk is agreeably better than that available in fried food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Thank you… Spelling has never been my strong suit. If it weren't for spell check my post would not be legible… of course it has never helped that I do all my posting when I am fall asleep or waking up…. Seems like the only time I can fit it in… Thanks again… Namaste …Noel… ayurveda , mandv m <mandakiniven wrote: > > Noel > The greeting is not namasta but namaste. hope you do not mind small corrections! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Noel, I again appreciate your outlook towards Ayurveda. As far as the question of me forgiving you is concerned, I feel that you have not at all hurt me by any means and I will always remain open-minded and open-hearted to all of the humankind. So there is no need for you to ask for my forgivance. Besides all this I am trying to work out has absolutely no selfish motto behind it. So I personally don't feel the necessity to bear grudge against anybody From your mail, you seem to be considerably elder person and more senior to me in worldly experience. In India and in Ayurveda, it is customary to rever the elderly irrespective of their knowledge and experience, and by that rule I have no authority to forgive you. You are a man with big heart and I will always respect you for your seniority and love for Ayurveda. Yours Truly, Dr.D.B.Muzumdar _____________________________ Dear Dr.D.B.Muzumdar. You'll have to forgive me. This is a sore topic with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear Noel, Ifeel that your interest in Ayurveda is really deep-rooted. Ayurveda definitely started with Rishis (seers) and has been considered the sub-text of ATHARVA-VEDA, one of the four main vedas. These Rishis Were more concerned about the health and longevity of mankind. They percieved that various diseases / disorders were becominga hindrance in the prime objective. Hence Ayurveda was culled out of vedas to - 1) maintain health of healthy and 2) regain the health of unhealthy. Due to the vastness of Ayurveda it was divided into eight specialities, including medicine,surgery, pediatric-gynaec, ENT-oral-dental, geriatric, toxicology, sexolgy and graha. This graha chikitsa must be consisting of Jyotish and Mantra treatment. I presume this because there is no actual exponent of this branch among the Ayurvedists today nor is it taught in regular acedemic currcula of Ayurveda. Religion was however non-existent in those periods. Charaka mentions the various schools of thoughts like Sankhya, Vaisheshika, Charvaka etc. But as these things are not related to treatment parts of Ayurveda, many times this interesting aspect is ignored or bypassed. I wish that your wish be fulfilled in your lifetime as it is my wish too and the wish of lots of people who love and respect Ayurveda. Let us all try to achieve this mighty wish. With Love, Dr.D.B.Muzumdar ________________________ <snip> I know at some point in time that Religion, Ayurveda, Joytish, surgery, and all the other category's fell under the Vedas, and was considered one system. How and why it got separated, I am not sure of, but I think it was a big mistake. <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 hear hear liz best.. todd On 16-May-07, at 3:33 AM, ayurveda wrote: <snip> Heart disease is endemic in the > vegetarian population in India and elsewhere, in the many clinics and > hospitals I have worked in there are many many people with heart > disease who never ate one bite of nonveg in their life.<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 hi john its ironic that most people feel this way after thanksgiving dinner to one degree or another thanksgiving indeed! from a food combining perspective, the typical turkey dinner with all the fixin's is a recipe for GI distress! take a cautious approach and you will be fine its probably a good idea for you to not the sweets after meals, or lots of starchy foods with meat best... todd <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 mandv m <mandakiniven wrote: > . . . > The fat obtained in milk is agreeably > better than that available in fried food. Health Concerns about Dairy Products: http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/dairy.html Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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