Meat Shock

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

Next month I travel internationally to a weeklong event which will

include consumption of meat and probable food combining challenges. I

have been vegetarian for 15 years. I am a 60-yr-old PV, significantly

underweight male; in good health and strong agni. Would it be

beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now? Any suggestions

about herbs/spices (available in the US) that would mitigate this

onslaught of animal fat?

[Guest guest]

is there no posibility at all to have vegetarian food?

 

zjohnallan <zjohnallan

I have been vegetarian for 15 years. I am a 60-yr-old PV, significantly

underweight male; in good health and strong agni. Would it be

beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now?

[Guest guest]

ayurveda , " zjohnallan " <zjohnallan

wrote:

>I am a 60-yr-old PV, significantly

> underweight male; in good health and strong agni. Would it be

> beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now?

 

Why would it ever be necessary to eat meat? There are millions of

vegetarians moving about the planet every day and do not eat any meat.

I have traveled from one end of the earth to the other and NEVER ate

any meat. I am not sure what the problem is, but do not worry you will

do fine eating vegetarian only. You can call the airline you will

travel on and they will prepare a vegetarian meal in possibly several

varieties, Indian, Chinese, Western Veg, etc. This is not a problem no

need to be anxious. Picking and choosing from what is avalaible is the

way everyone eats, why not you too. Liz

[Guest guest]

A few general comments. I live and travel in the

US. Being a 99.99% vegan, I feast heartily on

fruits and vegetables. When dining in others'

homes, I make my needs known to my hosts in

advance. Eating in restaurants such as Subway,

pizza parlors, upscale eateries: I order salads,

vegan or vegetarian sandwiches and dishes.

Please visit: http://www.pcrm.org

 

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

Om Shanti

 

 

zjohnallan <zjohnallan wrote:

> have been vegetarian for 15 years. I am a

> 60-yr-old PV, significantly

> underweight male; in good health and strong

> agni. Would it be

> beneficial to begin introducing meat into my

> diet now?

[Guest guest]

Why would you want to start eating meat?

Your strong agni and good health may be due to your

vegetarian diet!

Meat is very difficult to digest and now adays can be

full of chemicals and hormones!

> zjohnallan <zjohnallan wrote:

> > have been vegetarian for 15 years. I am a

> > 60-yr-old PV, significantly

> > underweight male; in good health and strong

> > agni. Would it be

> > beneficial to begin introducing meat into my

> > diet now?

[Guest guest]

God wants us to be vegan, The real forbidden fruit was not apple, it

was meat:

http://www.emaxhealth.com/74/11641.html

 

ayurveda , " zjohnallan " <zjohnallan

wrote:

I am a 60-yr-old PV, significantly

> underweight male; in good health and strong agni. Would it be

> beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now?

[Guest guest]

more evidence that vegans apparently suffer from neurological and

intellectual deficits

if we chose to interpret the bible literally, we we were kicked out

of paradise because we took a bite of an apple

 

an apple - not meat - an apple

so, does this mean that apples are forbidden?

 

later, in genesis chapter four, god pretty much does a slam dunk on

on cain the agriculturalist, indicating HIS chosen preference for the

fat of the flock

hello? shirish? are you still reading??

 

further to the point, can someone tell me me WHY we should chose to

interpret some parts of the bible as literal and others as allegory?

sharpen the agni of your mind! look for the subtle, intelligent

argument, instead of the obvious fundamentalist perspective!!

 

those of you who want back to paradise, the most logical suggestion

is that you abandon your human comforts and retire to the trees and

subsist on leathery raw leaves

 

but if you eat a couple bugs now and then, i promise not to blow your

cover

 

todd caldecott

 

 

On 11-May-07, at 2:54 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Re: Meat Shock

>

> Posted by: " Shirish Bhate " shirishbhate shirishbhate

>

> Fri May 11, 2007 2:36 am (PST)

>

> God wants us to be vegan, The real forbidden fruit was not apple, it

> was meat:

> http://www.emaxhealth.com/74/11641.html

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

Didn't even Lord Rama hunt when he was exiled to the forest?

Darla

[Guest guest]

I am not abandoning my proclivity for vegetables. This is merely a one-week

event where the food is generously provided and it would be in poor taste to

reject the " fatted calf. "

 

- Prodigal Son

 

Caldecott <todd

more evidence that vegans apparently suffer from neurological and

intellectual deficits

if we chose to interpret the bible literally, we we were kicked out

of paradise because we took a bite of an apple

an apple - not meat - an apple

so, does this mean that apples are forbidden?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

May I but in? Meet shock is mere shock but this is a

jolt for the spirit. Not a blade of grass moves

without His will. If the whole of universe is created

by God including animals and birds, they are also

children of God, may be of a different species. What

right humans have to kill them to eat meat? There are

8.4 million (84 Lakhs as per Indian scriptures now

proved by science to be more or less correct) species

and each one eats according to its nature.

The Donkey will not eat tobacco; nay no animal would

graze on tobacco fields. But corrupt minded human

start making wrong use making cigarrettes and bidis.

Hence eating meat is a real shock. Of course, this is

my personal opinion with due respect to others who

have a right to their opinions. But opinions don't

change the fact. Blind man might feel that an elephant

is made of four pillars (legs) yet an elephant is an

elephant, whatever one may say.

Mere arguments can't change the truth. They might help

one to do what one wants to do feeling that to be

right. Trees will remain trees, leaves will remain

leaves irrespetive of what human beings do to them.

 

With love for all and with malice towards none,

 

S. M. Acharya <smacharya

--- Todd Caldecott <todd wrote:

 

> more evidence that vegans apparently suffer from

> neurological and

> intellectual deficits

> if we chose to interpret the bible literally, we we

> were kicked out

> of paradise because we took a bite of an apple

>

> an apple - not meat - an apple

> so, does this mean that apples are forbidden?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

A quick note to Todd: You should read the original Hebrew. It was not an

apple, but the FRUIT of the tree... Nowhere does it say " apple " If you own

a Bible, please take a look at Genesis 3:1 - 7. In King James, NIV, Revised

KJ, and the American Standard, they all say " fruit " not apple. Can't tell

you about other translations, but these I can absolutely state do not say

APPLE.

 

John:

As to abandoning your vegetarianism. I am not, nor do I ever plan to be a

vegetarian. Yet, I have many friends who are and I certainly take no

offence when we dine together that they choose not to eat meat. When we

host, I cook their desire and most commonly will eat only what I fix for

them, as a courtesy to them. I personally eat about 90% vegetable and 10%

protein frankly because I like the taste. It is a taste thing for me and I

am not going to give up what I prefer and see no reason you should do that

either.

 

I don't see where you have to abandon your principles to appease someone

else. Simply make a request to eat vegetarian fare and I am sure you will

be accomodated and nobody is going to be offended.

 

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Author: THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST LIVING, A Personal Story About

Cancer Survival

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

http://survivecancerfoundation.org <http://survivecancerfoundation.org/>

 

____

I am not abandoning my proclivity for vegetables. This is merely a one-week

event where the food is generously provided and it would be in poor taste to

reject the " fatted calf. "

 

- Prodigal Son

Caldecott <todd (AT) toddcaldecott (DOT) <todd%40toddcaldecott.com>

com>

more evidence that vegans apparently suffer from neurological and

intellectual deficits

if we chose to interpret the bible literally, we we were kicked out

of paradise because we took a bite of an apple

an apple - not meat - an apple

so, does this mean that apples are forbidden?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

no one will mind if u refuse it because of ur belives or health reasons

or they should not mind, if they have common sense and respect for your choises

unless u want to eat meat, than ... good luck

 

 

_________________________

it would be in poor taste to reject the " fatted calf. "

[Guest guest]

Unless you have some real curiosity or desire you need not eat something you

have not eaten for fifteen years.

You must be well aware that people in every country on the globe are vegetarian

and how much do you think some one will notice in public if you opt for

vegetarian.

If we as vegetarians are not offended by those that eat meat why should we even

be upset if some one is offended if we choose not to? Though, that would be

doubtful unless the person was very narrow minded.

If you do choose to eat it then you should eat a lot of ginger - one inch peice

in the morning and in travel that might also look odd.

A person at the age of sixty should certainly have the inner strength not to

worry about pleasing others.

If you simply have the desire to eat it then that is different.

My in laws came from India for six months to visit Canada and my mother in law

brought her own plate to everyon's house because she does not like to eat in

dishes that meat has ben in or to eat in dishes that carry other people's

vibration.

Not even one person was hurt once I explained this to them - and that includes

Canadian people where she visited but did not eat a single thing because she

knows that all of the pots have been used for preparing meat - in those homes

she used to drink juice from a disposable cup or eat some fruit.

My husband is a Hindu priest and so we are asked to come to many homes to eat

food - I keep certain fasts and so I will always go when people invite me, but

if I have a fast I tell them and they understand and even if they don't, I need

not break my fast to please a person who does not respect me. for those people

I will drink juice.

I also do not consume tea or coffee and have never felt obliged to in some one's

home.

Why should we change our habits that we have taken up due to good health.

It simply does not make sense to me.

If people are offended by our personal choices they may be too close minded to

worry about.

If on the other hand it is your desire to eat meat then do so that is your own

choice and can not be dictated by another person.

If you do, then you can even opt for meat that has been stewed or marinated to

make it easier to digest - I would assume you might feel a bit heavy and bloated

after not having eaten it for fifteen years and may even experience guilt.

If that is the case eat plenty of ginger and sit in vajrasana after eating once

you are in a private place and you can also use bhaskara lavanam or hingoli or

hingashtak after meals to help with digestion.

 

zjohnallan <zjohnallan wrote:

Would it be beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now? Any

suggestions about herbs/spices (available in the US) that would mitigate this

onslaught of animal fat?

[Guest guest]

you are right john - the bible is even more vague

so i guess we shouldn't eat any fruit, just to be on the safe side

 

mostly, i am just irritated by the thread - what the heck is " meat

shock " supposed to mean anyway?

the basic issues of diet are clearly discussed in ayurveda, and it

has nothing to do with vegetarianism

why some people on this list continue to promulgate a false doctrine

and call it ayurveda is beyond me

 

you may be a newer member john, but you will see that spreading such

nonsense is a kind of compulsion for certain members of the list

the list owner has clearly asked that we avoid these sorts of

discussions, and yet the worst offender is one of the moderators

 

we have been back and forth over these issues, but as soon as the

basic evidence is presented the militant vegetarian/vegan perspective

jumps imto the abyss of esotericism by promulgating non-facts

 

i would really prefer not to argue with someone's faith, and last

time i checked, proselytization isn't a component of ayurveda

in fact, ayurveda is supposed to be for everybody, and meat is not a

forbidden food / " fruit "

 

best... todd caldecott

 

 

 

On 12-May-07, at 2:32 AM, ayurveda wrote:

> Posted by: " Bruce Guilmette, Ph.D. "

> bruce drguilmette

>

> Sat May 12, 2007 1:48 am (PST)

>

> A quick note to Todd: You should read the original Hebrew. It was

> not an

> apple, but the FRUIT of the tree... Nowhere does it say " apple " If

> you own

> a Bible, please take a look at Genesis 3:1 - 7. In King James, NIV,

> Revised

> KJ, and the American Standard, they all say " fruit " not apple.

> Can't tell

> you about other translations, but these I can absolutely state do

> not say

> APPLE.

Caldecott

todd

www.toddcaldecott.com

[Guest guest]

you ask:

 

" What right humans have to kill them to eat meat "

 

but the question fails to comprehend that eating meat is EXACTLY what

made us human

 

ALL of the anthropological evidence derived from tens of thousands of

dedicated researchers over the last 200 years has clearly shown that

our primate brain evolved only because we ate meat, and in

particular, when we became big game hunters

 

even then, if we observe our primate relatives, you will quickly see

that none are vegetarian

our closest relatives the chimpanzees supplement their fruit and

vegetable diet with eggs, insects, and small animals

 

so if you want to be vegetarian fine - but to tell us that its wrong

to eat meat and provide no evidence other than your belief isn't a

valid argument or something even close to what we might call " truth "

- otherwise, how i do i know that your truth is more truthful than

the truth claimed by another?

 

yes, its just your opinion, but opinions don't count for much and

certainly not if they don't use a measure that we can all agree to

and abide by

that is the purpose of science, and its also the basis of ayurveda

 

and for ayurveda, the importance of meat in the human diet is NOT a

subject of debate

just pick up Charaka, Sushruta, and Vaghbata and read them for yourself

all the metaphors in the world cannot change this fact

 

best... todd caldecott

 

 

On 12-May-07, at 2:32 AM, ayurveda wrote:

 

> Re: Meat Shock

>

> Posted by: " SM Acharya " smacharya smacharya

>

> Sat May 12, 2007 1:06 am (PST)

>

> May I but in? Meet shock is mere shock but this is a

> jolt for the spirit. Not a blade of grass moves

> without His will. If the whole of universe is created

> by God including animals and birds, they are also

> children of God, may be of a different species. What

> right humans have to kill them to eat meat?

[Guest guest]

I am not a Christian per se, although I do know the Bible. ( I also understand

the Vedas) The Bible is perfectly clear in its demands, and although there are

verses in which God instructs certain individuals in particular time and

circumstances that eating flesh is " allowed " , I do not know of any sacred

scriptures that endorse a meat eating diet for physical or spiritual health. I

know for a fact the Vedas strictly forbid the practice, as do many followers of

other faiths, sects, and creeds. I also understand that any possible health

benefit obtained by eating of flesh may also be obtained by vegetarian diet,

without the same risks/consequences.

 

" ..God said unto them....have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over

 

the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. And

God said,

 

Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all

the earth,

 

and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall

be for

 

meat.' " (Genesis 1: 28,29)

 

Caldecott <todd

you are right john - the bible is even more vague

so i guess we shouldn't eat any fruit, just to be on the safe side

mostly, i am just irritated by the thread - what the heck is " meat

shock " supposed to mean anyway?

<snip>

[Guest guest]

john, i am sorry i didn't respond to your original thread

 

you had a general question about the challenge of eating meat after

being veg for several years

 

generally speaking, our capacity to produce stomach acid as we age

diminishes, and in addition with a 15 year history of eating no meat

this may mean that your immediate capacity to produce sufficient

stomach acid to properly denature animal proteins may be affected

 

certainly taking agni-enhancing herbs such as trikatu may help, but

better still will be remedies that either enhance or supplement your

native acid production, including a tsp of apple cider vinegar before

meals and a good full spectrum digestive enzyme with HCl acid with meals

 

you might also consider a bitter remedy before meals, like swedish

bitters, to promote sufficient bile synthesis and fat absorption

 

try to eat the meat only with vegetables and not with starchy foods -

this will help with digestion as animal proteins and starches digest

in chemically opposite mediums

in addition, don't eat too much at each meal, just a bit

 

as for the other question about whether or not you should switch back

to eating meat, that is difficult to say

you mention you are underweight, which in itself isn't bad, but it

depends to what degree

a little bit under is fine, but as you head into the latter stages of

your life, you want to maintain a robust body, which includes

maintaining a healthy weight

 

to maintain the body, an optimal balance of all the necessary

nutrients is essential

with vegans, there is a concern for amino acid, fatty acid, mineral,

B12, and fat soluble vitamin deficiencies

a well-balanced lacto-ovo vegetarian diet can make up for several of

these deficiencies, but additional supplementation may still be

required, for example vitamin D3

 

best... todd caldecott

 

> Posted by: " John " zjohnallan zjohnallan

> I am not abandoning my proclivity for vegetables. This is merely a

> one-week event where the food is generously provided and it would

> be in poor taste to reject the " fatted calf. "

[Guest guest]

Ok guys… I have been following this meat thing and I thought I put my

two cents in… First of all Ayurveda advocates meat and bone soups

only during wasting diseases… but it is like all science in that it

is always evolving. Ayurveda is kind of like the bible that if you

are going to follow it word for word, we are all going to stay in the

dark ages, and we can all follow cows and elephants around and

collect their dung… Don't ask me what that means, I really don't

know… It would seem to me, that if Ayurveda recommends meat and bone

soups during wasting diseases to get well, that it would be ok to eat

it to stay well! Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our

image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish

of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and

over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon

the earth. There's that bible thing sneaking in again. Bottom line

here is that what ever man as no use for becomes extinct. Can you

imagine what would become of the cow if man didn't need it? … I have

tried to become a vegetarian for years and have finally given up. I

have come to the realization that God wants me to eat meat. I still

have my canine Teeth which is part of my make up and I get sick when

I don't eat it… I am sure that in my personal evolution, in some

future life, God will have me give it up, but for now my body

requires it. Whether you are a vegetarian or not, the animosity

towards the opposite side is harder on you physically than the actual

act of eating meat or not…. Noel…

 

ayurveda , Todd Caldecott <todd

wrote:

>

> you are right john - the bible is even more vague

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Noel,

It is again a half truth that -

 

" Ayurveda advocates meat and bone soups only during wasting diseases ... "

 

I would like to bring to your notice and also to all the group members and

participants that meats of various animals and birds are described in the

general food treatise in Sutra-sthana of main Ayurvedic Samhitas; and not only

in the treatment of wasting diseases. The properties of each meat, in particular

specificity, is described in great detail in Sutra Sthana.. So Ayurveda accepted

the use of meat in daily diet existing in various communities and countries

prevalent in those times of documentation of Ayurvedic literature.

 

Befre you comment that -

 

" Ayurveda is kind of like the bible that if you are going to follow it word by

word, we are all going to stay in dark ages. "

 

Would you please enlighten all of us on what basis (e.g. your qualification,

understanding and experience in Ayurveda matters) you opine with such authority

about Ayurveda? As per my understanding, Ayurveda has displayed a fine sense of

accomodativeness and progressiveness in its treatment patterns and food

directives. What it has been firm and non-compromising (bible-like in your

words) is the fundamental principles of natural rules of health and basic causes

of diseases which stand true even today. This I am confirming after 17 years of

private clinical practice as Ayurvedic Consultant and Honarary Lecturer in

Ayurvedic College, with equally good knowledge of modern medicine (allopathy in

general terms).

 

I think we should all work together to remove the misunderstandings about

Ayurveda. Queries about Ayurveda is ok, but please no half-baked opinions.

 

Dr.D.B.Muzumdar

M.D.Ayu-Med

< dahpc >

-

Noel Gilbert

Ok guys. I have been following this meat thing and I thought I put my

two cents in. First of all Ayurveda advocates meat and bone soups

only during wasting diseases. but it is like all science in that it

is always evolving.<snip>

[Guest guest]

hi.

pls excuse me for interfering with your conversation, but pls, don't waste

your time fighting on your beliefs and habbits.

about meat, maybe in ayurveda books it is not forbidden. but i'm

lacto-vegetarian for over 13 years and my only weekness r my kidneyes (i drink

diuretic plant extract each day) because all my life until 5 years ago i was not

drinking fluids almost at all, except for soupe. they also didn't bother me any

more for the last 4 years (since i started drinking over 2 liters per day). on

the other hand, my sister, younger than me but eating meat, she is not healthy

at all. i'll put her in hospital again in 2 days. i should mention i don't have

balanced life: i work 2 jobs, involving stress and responsabilities and talking

to too many people; i don't have regulate sleep and food, i eat whatever i can

in bus from one place to onother and sleep too little; i don't have regulary

yoga practise, i travel many times long distances (i work also in other towns

than mine) and i also travel through europe. the only healthy 2 things i do is

drinking over 2 liters of fluids each day and

lacto vegetarian diet, but i'm proud of my health. on the other hand, my

sister's program is more relaxed, she is not trevelling so much, she is enjoying

her weekends (when i work), she has a good love-life etc. but she is ill.

take your own conclusions.

 

 

muzumdar <dahpc

 

Dear Noel,

It is again a half truth that -

" Ayurveda advocates meat and bone soups only during wasting diseases ... "

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr.D.B.Muzumdar… I apologize if my opinions seem to be half-

baked to you but I assure you that my opinions are fully cooked… but

then again that's what they are is my opinions… You are right that I

have not had the schooling you have…Thanks God! Literally! … I live

in California and attended the California Collage of Ayurveda for two

years, about 10 years ago and haven't stopped studying yet…

Ya know I started writing this email about two hours ago and I fully

planed on dragging out the Caraka Sammhita and the Astanga Hrdayam

and all my other books and pointing out many of the old schooled

think, but my wife called me to dinner and we got busy… and I got to

thinking that I don't have to defend my self to a guy who has formed

a half-baked opinion of someone he doesn't even know…my time is more

valuable to me… Oh and your opinion of your self as a man of

knowledge of modern medicine (allopathic in general terms) does not

impress me either… Noel

 

 

ayurveda , muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

<snip>

> Would you please enlighten all of us on what basis (e.g. your

qualification, understanding and experience in Ayurveda matters) you

opine with such authority about Ayurveda? As per my understanding,

Ayurveda has displayed a fine sense of accomodativeness and

progressiveness in its treatment patterns and food directives. What

it has been firm and non-compromising (bible-like in your words) is

the fundamental principles of natural rules of health and basic

causes of diseases which stand true even today. This I am confirming

after 17 years of private clinical practice as Ayurvedic Consultant

and Honarary Lecturer in Ayurvedic College, with equally good

knowledge of modern medicine (allopathy in general terms).

>

> I think we should all work together to remove the misunderstandings

about Ayurveda. Queries about Ayurveda is ok, but please no half-

baked opinions.

[Guest guest]

this is evidence of nothing - everyone is different and has different

needs

furthermore, you don't provide anywhere sufficient detail to

accurately compare and analyze your diet nor the multitude of other

factors against your sisters

 

also, please note that many on this list would condemn you for eating

eggs

 

and so it goes, round and round

 

best... todd caldecott

 

 

> Re: Meat Shock

>

> Posted by: " criiii dum " dumicita dumicita

>

> Sun May 13, 2007 9:31 pm (PST)

>

> hi.

> pls excuse me for interfering with your conversation, but pls,

> don't waste your time fighting on your beliefs and habbits.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

i'm not eating eggs, because i don't like them. but some will condamn me for

eating cheese. ><

 

______________________________

also, please note that many on this list would condemn you for eating eggs and

so it goes, round and round

[Guest guest]

> Next month I travel internationally to a weeklong event which will

> include consumption of meat and probable food combining challenges.

I

> have been vegetarian for 15 years. I am a 60-yr-old PV,

significantly

> underweight male; in good health and strong agni. Would it be

> beneficial to begin introducing meat into my diet now? Any

suggestions

> about herbs/spices (available in the US) that would mitigate this

> onslaught of animal fat?

 

First of all I would like to apologize to Muzumdar and the group for

getting so defensive… This is usually not my nature… I guess I have

been getting to much meat…

 

This is from my food list in the files, and I thought it might be

helpful to Zjohnallan since he is significantly underweight… Noel

 

~~~~~~~MEAT ~~~~~~~

 

Energetics and general properties

 

There is perhaps nothing more nourishing or strengthening

than meat. It is excellent for debility or convalescence and one of

the best substances for lowering high Vata. It is sweet slightly

warming and sweet in post-digestive effect. It decreases Vata and

generally increases Pitta and Kapha.

Meat; however is considered Tamasic (creating inert) in

nature and there is nothing as potentially deranging as it either. It

breeds toxins (Ama), feeds infections, fevers and tumors. It has a

dulling effect upon the mind and senses and reduces love and

compassion. Its side effects have caused it to be denigrated in the

Vedic teachings; creating bad karma.

On the other hand it can preserve or save human life. It has

been said that the Dalai Lama eats meat, and some of us still have

our canine teeth which would insinuate that genetically speaking it

would be important to eat meat. From my point of view, eating meat

must be a personal choice; weather physical or spiritual. If you are

going to eat meat, eat hormone free meat and remember all things in

moderation.

Animal organs like liver can be strongly nourishing to their

respective organs but also tend to produce a low quality tissue and

dull the mind. Bones and bone soup can nourish to bone marrow but are

also heavy and tend to make the blood toxic.

 

PREPARATION

Meat needs to be cooked properly, preferably with spices to

make it easier to digest. Raw or not completely cooked it is very

aggravating to Ama (toxins) and the blood. Salt is helpful for

softening and tenderizing it but M.S.G. has many other side effects.

Meat soups and stew are easier to digest. Deep fried meats are more

aggravating to the humors (doshas). Canned meats are particularly

Tamasic (inert creating)

 

TIME

Meat should be avoided in the summer owing to its warm

nature. In Kapha time it a can also be difficult. It is also best not

to eat it at night. Meat is better in spring and fall and for those

who live in high altitudes or northern latitudes.

 

ANTIDOTING

The toxic effects of meat can be antidoted somewhat with raw

vegetables, leafy greens and vegetable juices; bitter herbs like aloe

help, as well as spices.

 

LIST OF MEATS

 

BEEF

Ayurveda

 

Beef is sweet and slightly warming. It decreases Vata but

increases Pitta and Kapha. It is highly nutritious and builds the

blood and muscles. It gives strength and the capacity for work. Too

much red meat can cause toxic (Ama) blood; aggravating acne and skin

rashes.

 

Chinese

Thermal nature: warming. Flavor: Sweet. Properties: Strengthens the

spleen, pancreas and stomach, builds the blood, increases Qi energy,

and strengthens the sinews and bones. Used in the wasting stage of

diabetes: treats insufficient Yin and /or blood manifesting in

dryness and emaciation: also used for general weakness, low backache,

and weak knees. Contraindications: nephritis and hepatitis.

 

CHICKEN/ TURKEY

Chicken is sweet and slightly warming. It decreases Vata but

increases Pitta and Kapha. As one of the drier and leaner meats, it

is less likely to aggravate Kapha. It is usually the easiest meat to

digest, as it is dry, light and less oily than the other. It helps

improve absorption and is good for anorexia, debility and

convalescence, particularly as a soup. It is mildly aphrodisiac.

 

DUCK

Duck is sweet and slightly warming. It decreases Vata but

increases Pitta and Kapha. It is heavier, more nutritive but harder

to digest than chicken and turkey.

 

LAMB/ MUTTON

Lamb is sweet and hot. It decreases Vata but increases Pitta

and Kapha. It has aphrodisiac but has irritant properties and

promotes sexual activity. It is commonly used in Islamic and Middle

Eastern cooking, along with garlic. This is very Pitta irritating and

aggravating for the blood. To eat lamb is also not particularly

sensitive or Sattvic (pure).

 

PORK

Ayurveda

 

Pork is sweet, and a little cooling. It decreases Vata and

Pitta but strongly increases Kapha. It is highly Tamasic (inert) and

creates dullness and heaviness in the mind and senses, and clogs the

channels (Srotas). Bacon is particularly heavy and difficult to

digest by its high concentration of fat. Ham has less fat but is

still heavy. Pork nourishes the liver and increases fat tissue more

so than any of the meats. Pork has to be well cooked as it is a

carrier of parasites.

Chinese

Thermal nature: neutral. Flavor: sweet and salty. Properties:

Specifically affects the kidneys, spleen, pancreas, and stomach:

moistens dryness and nurtures the Yin. Used to treat those with thin,

dry, nervous, and nurtures the Yin. Used to treat those with

constipation and the wasting stage of diabetes. Defatted soup of pork

is drunk for dry cough and constipation. Contraindications obesity,

diarrhea hypertension conditions of yellow mucus (mucus with a heat

condition), of stagnant Qi energy … The latter often resulting in

conditions such as tiredness, stress, pin, spasm, of paralysis.

 

VENISON

Venison is sweet and warm. It decreases Vata but increases

Pitta and Kapha. It is very nutritive and aphrodisiac. It

strengthens the kidneys and bones and promotes fertility. It is good

for poor growth or retardation in children.

 

~~~~FISH~~~~

 

Energetics and general properties

 

Fish is sweet and salty in taste, slightly warming; it also

decreases Vata but increases Pitta and Kapha. It is lighter than most

meats, and not quite as dulling or as grounding to the system. Fish

builds the plasma. It is tonic, rejuvenate and laxative. Yet it can

cause diarrhea or nausea; fish contains oils that counter Vata,

nourish the liver, skin, and eyes, strengthens the heart and reduces

cholesterol and arteriosclerosis.

 

PREPARATION

Care must be taken that the fish is fresh, as it spoils

easily. Canned and salted it is more likely to aggravate the humors

(doshas) or cause Ama (toxins). It is better steamed or baked than

fried.

 

COMBINATION

Fish can be difficult to combine. It does not do well with

milk or sugars. Nor does it combine well with other meat.

 

ANTIDOTING

Fish can be antidoted with spices like mustard, horseradish,

ginger, garlic or perilla (shisho). Sour sauces tend to make it more

aggravating to pitta and the blood and may cause diarrhea.

 

LIST OF FISH

 

OCEAN FISH

Ocean fish is generally sweet, salty, and slightly warm. It

decreases Vata but increases Pitta and Kapha. It is much like fish in

generally.

 

FRESH WATER FISH

Fresh water fish is less salty and so better for Pitta and

Kapha. Trout is often one of the easiest fish to digest.

 

SHELL FISH

Generally Ayurveda does not use shellfish because as a

scavenger it is thought to be particularly Tamasic (inert creating)

in nature. Yet by this fact it also often has aphrodisiac properties.

 

CRAB

Crab is sweet and warm. It decreases Vata but increases

Pitta and Kapha. It is aphrodisiac and strengthens the kidneys and

is good for impotence.

 

OYSTER

Oyster is regarded as an aphrodisiac and also increases the

reproductive tissue (Semen or Shukra). It is particularly Kapha

aggravating.

 

SHRIMP

Shrimp is sweet, and warm. It is regarded as am aphrodisiac

and also strengthen the kidneys,

[Guest guest]

Noel Gilbert <noel_glbrt wrote:

> . . .

> There is perhaps nothing more nourishing or

> strengthening than meat. . . .

 

" A vegetarian diet can prevent 97 percent of our

coronary occlusions. "

 

- " Diet and Stress in Vascular Disease, "

Journal of The American Medical Association,

Vol. 176, No. 9, June 3, 1961, page 806.

 

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

Om Shanti