Flow of Blood- was it a western discovery ?

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

As you all might know, the fact that flood 'flowed ' inside the body

and that the heart was pumping was discovered - according to western

medicine- By William Harvey, the sixteenth century British Physician.

 

I can not believe it. Do any of you have references of Indian or Hindu

texts mentioning the blood flow and the heart's role ?

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat

I have the information you need.

He was a unani physician. His name was QARSHI; he was called as MULLA NAFEES

also.

You may be pleased that he informed the humanity about lesser circulation. We

frequently read it in our books of unani medicine.

Regards

Hkm.UBAID

 

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As you all might know, the fact that flood 'flowed ' inside the body

and that the heart was pumping was discovered - according to western

medicine- By William Harvey, the sixteenth century British Physician.

I can not believe it. Do any of you have references of Indian or Hindu texts

mentioning the blood flow and the heart's role ?

[Guest guest]

As a student of ayurvedic medicine this question intrigued me too.

We learnt about rasa-rakta savnvahan which literally translated meant

flow of rasa and rakta (which is generally taken to be as blood) and

yet history credits this discover to William Harvey.

It was when I read " Medicine's 10 Greatest Discoveries "

(http://www.amazon.com/Medicines-Greatest-Discoveries-Yale-

Nota/dp/0300082789/ref=sr_1_4/104-8669179-0824742?

ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1175684435 & sr=1-4) did I come to know the

difference.

William Harvey is credited with defining (not discovering) " blood

circulation " . What was unique about his observation was the fact that

the same blood which reached the heart was recycled and pumped back

into the body. Prior to that the view was that blood was continuously

created, flowed through the body and was destroyed. Of course there is

no reference of this exact process in ayurveda (to the best of my

knowledge, may be other senior doctors can comment) and rasa-rakta

savnvahan is similar to flow of blood and not circulation of blood.

 

I read this matter over 3-4 years ago so I may not have been able to

represent it properly. If you read the particular chapter in the above

mentioned book you will get a good idea.

 

Vd. S. M. Shirodkar.

M.D. (Ayu.)

 

ayurveda , " J.venkatasubramanian "

<apexpreci2000 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> As you all might know, the fact that flood 'flowed ' inside the body

> and that the heart was pumping was discovered - according to western

> medicine- By William Harvey, the sixteenth century British Physician.

>

> I can not believe it. Do any of you have references of Indian or

Hindu

> texts mentioning the blood flow and the heart's role ?

> Thanks in advance.

> Regards

> Venkat

>

[Guest guest]

do not worry about their recognition. i'm from a small country, with many nobel

prices stollen by big powers , like the one for INSULIN discovered by nicolae

paulescu and not by the ones they say etc.

what is important is the knowledge, no matter who discovered it. use it well

 

 

 

Vd. Selex M. Shirodkar. <selexms

As a student of ayurvedic medicine this question intrigued me too.

We learnt about rasa-rakta savnvahan which literally translated meant

flow of rasa and rakta (which is generally taken to be as blood) and

yet history credits this discover to William Harvey.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat,

 

There are two well-known references to the flow of blood and its relation to

heart in the Ayurvedic scriptures

 

The FIRST one is from Ashtang Hrudaya which is as follows-

 

Vyano Hrudee Stita Krutna-dehachari Mahajava

(Ashtang Sangrah Sutra-Sthana Chapter 12 Shloka 6)

which means that Vyana Vayu stays in the Heart and it moves simultaneously in

the whole body with great force

 

AND

 

The SECOND one is from Charaka Samhita which is as follows-

 

Vyanen Rasa-Dhaturhi Vikshepochit-Karmana

Yugapat Sarvato-Ajasram Dehe Vikshipyate Sada

(Charaka Samhita Chikitsa-Sthana Chapter 15 Shloka 36)

which means that Vyana Vayu circulates the fluid components of Rasa Dhatu ie.

inclusive of blood components throughout the whole body simultaneously and

continuously with great force.

 

If we co-relate both these references ,I think the fact is self-explanatory.

 

As far as taking / giving the credits of discovery is concerned, it could be the

ignorance of Oriental sciences or suppression of the previously known facts for

self-credits. There are plenty of instances in history where competing

researchers / scientists have tried to rob the credits of others by passing the

work as their own discovery.

 

Dr. Muzumdar

M.D.(Ayurvedic Medicine)

 

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As you all might know, the fact that flood 'flowed ' inside the body

and that the heart was pumping was discovered - according to western

medicine- By William Harvey, the sixteenth century British Physician.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

The Ashtanga yoga has some asanas like Vipareeta karani, Sarvangasana

and sirasasana whose importance lies in the fact that they supply

blood to the head against gravity (and ease the heart). Those yogis

would definitely have known the importance of heart and blood flow.

 

When they were claivoyant enough to perceive the nadis which

are 'sukshmic', would they have failed to perceive a real organ ?

 

Is there anyone who have texts such as Yoga mimamsa and other

ancient yogic texts ( are they in print ?)

 

Regards

venkat

ayurveda , " Vd. Selex M. Shirodkar. "

<selexms wrote:

>

> As a student of ayurvedic medicine this question intrigued me too.

> We learnt about rasa-rakta savnvahan which literally translated

meant

> flow of rasa and rakta (which is generally taken to be as blood)

and

> yet history credits this discover to William Harvey.

<snip>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Muzumdar,

I agree with you. But there are people who want to

claim it as western or eastern forgetting that

Ayurveda is much older than many civilisations of most

of the countries of the globe.

Let us not worry about that. You can't change the

self-pride of people in a world where many age-old

remedies coming from neem, turmeric and what not are

being patented in USA and other countries.

Should we call it International cheating by the rich

who want to control the rest of the world to keep it

under their thumb.

With malice towards none and unbounded love for all,

 

S. M. Acharya <smacharya

 

--- muzumdar <dahpc wrote:

 

> Dear Venkat,

>

> There are two well-known references to the flow of

> blood and its relation to heart in the Ayurvedic

> scriptures

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