Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Namaste Mandy; As it was explained by Dr Vasant Lad and other teachers, there is more to the heated honey discussion. Undoubtedly, the topic has been addressed on this forum before in some form. There is something about a slow accumulation of some toxic coating around nerves, and some other influence also if I remember rightly. He said a friend of his in India had done recent research confirming what has been known for thousands of years. If anyone on the group has informatoin on that research or similar, this would be something we all should pass around in our circles of influence, in my humble opinion. There have been many occasions when such a paper would influence when words do not go far. ARticles we write, etc. I believe it was Dr. Ramakant Mishra reported that although Ayurveda is amazing at removing all kinds of toxins, those from cooked honey are the most difficult bar none. When we look at western health food faddists, as well as Chinese medicines, there is SO MUCH COOKED HONEY being ingested, if what our acharyas say is true, we are in for some interesting times ahead in the west. I ask the esteemed vaidyas on the group for any appropriate corrections here. Warm Regards; Ysha > > When honey is heated the enzymes are killed. It has to be really hot though that is why we should only use pure and unpasturized honey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 hi Ysha i see it like this toxins are generally of a hot nature, and heating honey activates latent toxins in the honey these toxins are found in the honey naturally, as constituents from toxic plants in my book, i cite a study that showed that the honey made from the nectar of different rhododendron (ericaceae) species contained grayanotoxins that causes dose dependent symptoms of toxicity thus it would appear that the issue of honey toxicity has much to do with the source of the nectar rather the just the honey itself in ancient india there weren't apiaries and people gathered honey in the wild, from beehives that were inhabited by bees that gathered their nectar from far and wide, and thus one could never be sure that the honey itself didn't contain toxins contrast that with something like " clover " honey, and i think you have a different product also, there ARE references in the Ayurvedic literature that suggest that taking heated honey is ok, for eg, in the Madanaphala nighantu, honey is taken with warm water in the treatment of ama in chinese medicine, heated honey is used to " warm the middle " and enhance digestion personally, i think most people probably use too much honey anyway it should be treated and used like a precious medicine, not an indiscriminately as a household sweentener best... todd ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Namaste Mandy; > > As it was explained by Dr Vasant Lad and other teachers, there is more > to the heated honey discussion. Undoubtedly, the topic has been > addressed on this forum before in some form. There is something about > a slow accumulation of some toxic coating around nerves, and some > other influence also if I remember rightly. He said a friend of his > in India had done recent research confirming what has been known for > thousands of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Namaste I wanted to ask about hormones, enxymes, amino acids, what makes one hormone different than another or amino acid different from another? Do the concepts of thesee exist in ayurveda at all? Caldecott <todd wrote: hi Ysha i see it like this toxins are generally of a hot nature, and heating honey activates latent toxins in the honey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Hi Todd; As always, I appreciate your open and broad perspective on things - this is interesting info. I am still very curiouis to find the details of that study referred to by Dr. Lad, and compare notes. When something keeps coming up in the different schools of Ayurveda as a top 5 sorta rule with foods, it seems wise to pay attention. Your reasons of course also make much sense. Interesting comment, that toxins are generally of a hot nature. Many forms of ama, doesn't ring that way, although I can realate to even some vata toxins giving pitta residues... but it sounds very comfusing to most Ayurvedic students even if true, and bears clarificaton if being spoken. How do vaidya members respond to this? Warm water I always understood was fine with honey... Yes, much overuse apparent. I've seen bakeries in USA where all they use is honey for sweetening, in cities like Boulder, CO. To say nothing of what we all see in the " Natural Foods " shelves - cereals, cookies, baking mixes, candy bars, processed meats, etc. Who knows which is worse, in my opinion, the white sugar or the cooked honey, which undoubtedly is not from organic sources and concentrated with pollutants. One bakery I know used only agave. But they had no idea its pitta increasing property, even though co-owener studies some ayurveda. Maybe fine in the mountain winters, but not for the high pitta and vata secondary dominance population there. Namaste; Ysha > > i see it like this > > toxins are generally of a hot nature, and heating honey activates latent toxins in the honey... > also, there ARE references in the Ayurvedic literature that suggest that taking heated honey is ok, for eg, in the Madanaphala nighantu, honey is taken with warm water in the treatment of ama > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 What can be digested without cooking should be taken without. Honey is a wonderful natural product, digests in 30 minutes, and excess comes out in urine in 90 minutes, even if a person is suffering from cancer. The nutrients in honey is not a subject matter here, but how we add toxins to food while cooking is explained by an academician here: http://health./message/4221 Despite that, honey is wonderful, taken with warm milk, it adds weight while taken with warm water and lemon, it helps reduce weight! when honey is being mixed with warm water, it is neither being cooked, not toxins are getting added. warm water adds to the bio-availability, as written in posts on " Ushnodaka " earlier. The reasons why this receipe melts and expels " meda " can be understood if one thinks why Medohar guggulu (mixture of trifla, trikatu and Loha bhasma) reduces meda! Author would like to read some discussion on this aspect rather than whether honey should be mixed with warm water or not. This argument can also be applied to mixing milk and lemon, milk and salt, milk and jaggery also. but as most of us know, these incompatibles, when mixed and taken provide remedies for releiving Hemorrhoids(piles), cough, cough respectively. That is why ayurveda is wonderful. Honey helps loosing as well as gaining weight. Tamarind, dates, ginger, turmeric are also exceptional, showing different efefcts when taken in different ways. Do not treat ayurveda as a database where disease versus medicines/yogasasanas/lifestyle is listed and all that a vaidya has to do is a data look up! Well known institutes have produced diagnostic softwares is a different matter, but such tools cant replace a vaidya. The real hurdle in popularising ayurveda is " scientific " or " allopathic " mindset. An example would help strengthening the statement. Author provided a formulation to a lady to detoxify her body and also disslove fat. As immune system also got activated, it caused low fever too. As the lady was out of station, she became afraid, consulted a nearby GP and took anti-pyretic+anti-biotic combination! Detoxification came to stand-still! She had forgotten the paper at home town, mentioning not to become worried if loose motions, body pains of mild nature, sweating, itching, vomit occured. When author asked to read it carefully, she understood, but anti-biotics damage required clearing up! ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Hi Todd; > > As always, I appreciate your open and broad perspective on things - > this is interesting info. I am still very curiouis to find the > details of that study referred to by Dr. Lad, and compare notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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