Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Thanks One Love. I am wondering whether or not I can do this process. I read the Ayurvedic cleansing process and am concerned on whether or not I can do the enemas. I on occasion will experience little pangs in my heart. I also have had experiences with itching and bleeding due to hemroids but these situations come and go also (currently " inactive " ) Is it possible for me to do anything to make this work for me? I might as well mention my other two concerns and get them all out of the way. General instruction for rosacea says to stay away from triggers but through this process it looks like you wake the beast - if the process is fully followed is there any risk of worsening the disease? Has anyone ever done this process while also having ocular rosacea? I had been taught that each flush causes damage to the cornea, risking vision. Though I have these concerns I really hope I can go this route and have a feeling I would reach success. Take care, Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hi Bonnie: I too have ocular rosacea. I had to quit wearing my contact lenses about a year ago. I have been using Finacea for the past year and my face has been under control. I found that when my face is controlled my eye symptoms go away. I have done one liver cleanse. I did not pass any stones but feel I had some success. I used gold coin grass instead of apple juice just because I don't like juices. I will do the cleanse again next week but will try apple juice. Since the cleanse I have been wearing my contacts with no problem. I am doing the ayurvedic cleanse right now. During the days of ghee my face was red and bumpy but no problems with my eyes. I did my first night of oil massage last night and my face is pale this morning with some pink and most of the bumps are gone. I am using my topical meds just to help with the flare ups. I found the ayuverdic cleanse to be emotional for me, I have been having dreams about old things I thought were long gone and forgetten. But I firmly believe that disease is caused by emotions. In my case I am a very private person and hold all my emotions in. I know that I have a long way to go but I am going to keep doing the cleanses and know that I will be cured. I hope this helps. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 , " bonnie_hil " <bonnie_hil> wrote: > > General instruction for rosacea says to stay away from > triggers but through this process it looks like you wake the beast - > if the process is fully followed is there any risk of worsening the > disease? Hi Bonnie, I am doing the liver cleanses, and I decided against the ayurverdic cleanse because it seemed like there would be too much heat involved. For ex; the warm showers every day. If I did that I would turn beet red. I also have occular involvement, that hasn't worsened with the liver cleanses. It depends a lot on how progressed the rosacea is. I've had mine for over 17 years, and 6 years ago I would have had no problem with the extra heat, but now seeing how " bad " this can get, I opted for my own peace of mind to just go for the liver cleanses. I've also been off oral antibiotics since last September, and so far so good. I'm pretty sure that One Love has posted that it's okay to just opt for the liver cleanses rather than both cleanses. ALso regarding bleeding & hemmoroids, although I don't have the problem, one of my hydrotherapist does and she says you just have to take your time with putting in the speculum. My facial skin has not improved yet, but I am one of the few people that had overall body burning. Now after 6 cleanses the burning has decreased by I would say 95%. Just a little burning left on the feet and legs. Hope this helps, MB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hi Bonnie You are welcome. I have never seen the liver cleanse associated with cornea damage. I am curious where you heard this? Since you have a sensitive situation, I would see a accupuncturist as mentioned plus ask Andreas Moritz about your concerns. His website is ener-chi.com and his forum is http://www.curezone.com/forums/description.asp?f=337 You can get started by simply removing heating and congesting foods from your diet, plus eating according to your body type. Also walk at least fifteen minutes per day. I would also suggest consulting with a colonic hydrotherapist. I am not a big advocate of medications prescribed by western medicine for rosacea since they tend to suppress symptoms and accumulate as toxins over time. Regarding books, a good place to start is The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas Moritz. It does contain the instructions. Also Ayurvedic Healing by Dr. David Frawley and Live In The Balance by Linda Prout. You may find the following illustration of interest in relation to ocular rosacea and the liver. Link here http://www.lieske.com/channels/5e-liver.htm Kind regards OneLove bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote: > Thanks One Love. > I am wondering whether or not I can do this process. > I read the > Ayurvedic cleansing process and am concerned on > whether or not I can > do the enemas. I on occasion will experience little > pangs in my > heart. I also have had experiences with itching and > bleeding due to > hemroids but these situations come and go also > (currently " inactive " ) Is it possible for me to do > anything to make > this work for me? > > I might as well mention my other two concerns and > get them all out of > the way. General instruction for rosacea says to > stay away from > triggers but through this process it looks like you > wake the beast - > if the process is fully followed is there any risk > of worsening the > disease? Has anyone ever done this process while > also having ocular > rosacea? I had been taught that each flush causes > damage to the > cornea, risking vision. Though I have these > concerns I really hope I > can go this route and have a feeling I would reach > success. > > Take care, > Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi Julie. How did your ayurvedic cleanse end up working out for you? Do you usually flush to heat? If so, how was your reaction to the whole process? I hope you're pleased. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi MB. Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear you have actually been healing! Hope it starts to take place in your face in the near future. What do you mean by body burning? Is it the same feeling that one feels on the face or is it more of a sensation of feeling heated all over? I think you were smart to stick with the liver cleanse - I had the same concerns with the warm baths. I am actually going to give the Ayurvedic a try though. I want to go blazing in with both guns, I hope I don't end up the fool. lol Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi OneLove. I had not been told that the liver cleanse can lead to cornea damage. I have been told that each time a person with facial and ocular rosacea flushes damage is done to both the skin's structure and to the eye. My concern was doing the warm bath's etc. and flushing as a result, thus causing more damage. I have decided to do an ayurvedic to see what my experience will be. I am hoping to use both the ayurvedic and liver cleanses to possibly speed up the healing process. Take Care. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Hi Bonnie: Into my 5th day of the Ayurvedic cleanse I had to stop. Too much heat was released. I would wake up in the morning with a pale face, by afternoon I was red, burning and my eyes were very irritated. Haven't had those symptoms for a long time, took about 3 days to get the burning to stop. I live in SW Florida, went to the beach this weekend and my face did not react like it usually does when I am in the sun, so it must have done some good. I am doing my second liver cleanse this week( I do not like apple juice) and think I will wait a while to try the Ayurvedic again. Someone mentioned Flare Off #150, I could only find one website for info, but they have some cream that I ordered, would like to get off the prescription topicals. Maybe after I get a few liver cleanses under my belt I might try some of the chinese herbs that release heat. Take Care, Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Dear Bonnie I do not know who told you this information, but I am going to assume they are referring to the Hulda Clark liver cleanse which I do not recommend. There have been problems with her cleanse due its poor design. I read about one young lady who experienced bile regurgitation with the Clark cleanse. An analogy is like water flowing through a pipe and having a block in the pipe. The water can not get through due to the blockage. The water and pressure backs up and can cause problems. I have not seen any people experience problems with the liver cleanse as described in The Amazing Liver Cleanse book by Andreas Moritz. With your sensitive situation, I would suggest going through the ayurvedic cleanse slowly step by step and see how you react. Perhaps not making the bath water too hot is a solution. I support you in your healing process. Kind regards OneLove bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote: > Hi OneLove. > I had not been told that the liver cleanse can > lead to cornea > damage. I have been told that each time a person > with facial and > ocular rosacea flushes damage is done to both the > skin's structure > and to the eye. My concern was doing the warm bath's > etc. and > flushing as a result, thus causing more damage. > > I have decided to do an ayurvedic to see what my > experience will > be. I am hoping to use both the ayurvedic and liver > cleanses to > possibly speed up the healing process. > Take Care. > Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi Julie. Sorry about the experience with the Ayurvedic, but it was great to hear you had a more pleasant experience in the sun! I will give the Ayurvedic cleansing a try in a couple weeks. I am still waiting for Moritz's book to arrive via mail so I do not know the difference in the methods. MB said he never has flushed during a Moritz cleanse. I am thinking I will probably have the same reaction you have had because of the heat involved, though I am going to try OneLove's suggestion to take baths that are not too warm - heat is a big trigger for me. Let me know what you think of Flare Off - I have heard a person say that it did make her flare up. I wonder if the flareups are part of the ayurvedic healing process - release of toxins through the face. Maybe OneLove could shed some light on this. Anyone else have thoughts on whether or not facial and ocular flushing causing further damage? Take care, Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Hi OneLove. I am glad you made the suggestion to adjust the temperature of the bath water. I thought about that myself but did not know if that would affect the effectiveness of the cleansing. In the files aloe vera juice and coconut oils were mentioned as cooling. Would I apply the coconut oil directly to my face? I contacted my local grocer in regards to the organic yellow mung beans. I was told that they can order some but that they would not be split. Is that o.k.? Take care. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hi Julie Sorry to hear you were releasing too much heat. You might try again after the liver cleanse. Regarding apple juice, it is used to soften stones due its natural malic acid content. Andreas Moritz says you can use malic acid powder if you do not like apple juice. The standard dosage is one half teaspoon mixed in a glass of water four times per day for six days. The taste tends to be be rather sour. You can put the powder in capsules to avoid the taste. The cost for 430 grams is $4.25. The supplier is pewine.com. The direct link is http://shop.piwine.com/shopsite/prwc/product48.html Kind regards OneLove Julie <juliesjazz01 wrote: > Hi Bonnie: > > Into my 5th day of the Ayurvedic cleanse I had to > stop. Too much heat was released. I would wake up in > the morning with a pale face, by afternoon I was > red, burning and my eyes were very irritated. > Haven't had those symptoms for a long time, took > about 3 days to get the burning to stop. I live in > SW Florida, went to the beach this weekend and my > face did not react like it usually does when I am in > the sun, so it must have done some good. I am doing > my second liver cleanse this week( I do not like > apple juice) and think I will wait a while to try > the Ayurvedic again. > > Someone mentioned Flare Off #150, I could only > find one website for info, but they have some cream > that I ordered, would like to get off the > prescription topicals. Maybe after I get a few liver > cleanses under my belt I might try some of the > chinese herbs that release heat. > > Take Care, > Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hi Bonnie Traditionally, the ayurvedic cleanse employs a steam cabinet with the body enclosed by the cabinet and the head exposed to remain cool. A sauna is not to be used. The purpose is to sweat for seven minutes in order to open the internal pathways and dislodge internal heat. A picture of a steam cabinet is here http://www.spaequip.com/store/SM-DELUXE.jsp More economical is a steam tent picture here http://www.steamywonder.com Due to the expense and the fact that most people do not have access to a steam cabinet or tent, a hot bath or shower is the substitute. Reducing the temperature of the water may reduce the effectiveness of the cleanse, but in your case, this may be a better way to proceed. Yes, coconut oil can be applied directly to the skin. Whole mung beans are harder to digest compared to split. You can cook them and then run them through a blender to make them more digestable. An excellent substitue to mung beans are red lentils which should be available at your health food store. Kind regards OneLove bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote: > Hi OneLove. > I am glad you made the suggestion to adjust the > temperature of the > bath water. I thought about that myself but did not > know if that > would affect the effectiveness of the cleansing. In > the files aloe > vera juice and coconut oils were mentioned as > cooling. Would I apply > the coconut oil directly to my face? > > I contacted my local grocer in regards to the > organic yellow mung > beans. I was told that they can order some but that > they would not > be split. Is that o.k.? > Take care. > Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hi OneLove: Thanks for the info. I used gold coin grass on my first cleanse and did not have much luck. Will know tomorrow if the apple juice worked, if so I will just stick with it. I do have a couple of questions. Are the cleanses supposed to have a gradual healing process or a more intense healing? Is this a get worse before better process? I know this is probably different for each individual but I seem to have extreme reaction to everything.Would it be better if I just did the liver cleanses for a while then do the more heat releasing cleanses or should I just get it over with and release the heat? Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Hi Julie You are welcome. You should see a gradual improvement with each cleanse in addition to following the diet and exercise guidelines. However, some in this group have released more heat than expected. Normally, a practitioner of eastern medicine will meet with a patient to view their physical appearance, take their pulse to determine the strength or weakness of each internal organ, analyze the tongue which also reflects the internal organs, and ask numerous questions regarding health history, diet, lifestyle, emotions, etc. in order to determine the specific pattern of imbalance. All of this helps the practitoner strategize the approach to restore balance. Without knowing your specific pattern of imbalance, it is hard to predict exactly how your progress will manifest. However, the guidelines for this group combined with time and patience, I am confident will bring you results. Yes, it is fine to just do the liver cleanses for now. Also let your intuition be your guide too. Kind regards OneLove Julie <juliesjazz01 wrote: > Hi OneLove: > > Thanks for the info. I used gold coin grass on my > first cleanse and did not have much luck. Will know > tomorrow if the apple juice worked, if so I will > just stick with it. I do have a couple of questions. > Are the cleanses supposed to have a gradual healing > process or a more intense healing? Is this a get > worse before better process? I know this is probably > different for each individual but I seem to have > extreme reaction to everything.Would it be better if > I just did the liver cleanses for a while then do > the more heat releasing cleanses or should I just > get it over with and release the heat? > > Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Hi OneLove: First of all I want to thank you for your time and patience in anwering all my questions. Second, since my second liver cleanse post was deleted I will just reply here. I used just the apple juice this week. I did a colema Thursday night (my 7th) and must have had a healing crisis, felt nauseaous a couple of times and my face was a little worse Friday morning. I did the liver cleanse Friday night and Saturday morning I released hundreds of stones. Yeah! It was just like the book described. Pea size, bright green and some small tan stones. It is Sunday morning and my face looks much better, the fastest it has ever cleared up. Can't wait to do the next cleanse! Again, than you. Will keep you posted on my progress. Julie Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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