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Thanks One Love.

I am wondering whether or not I can do this process. I read the

Ayurvedic cleansing process and am concerned on whether or not I can

do the enemas. I on occasion will experience little pangs in my

heart. I also have had experiences with itching and bleeding due to

hemroids but these situations come and go also

(currently " inactive " ) Is it possible for me to do anything to make

this work for me?

 

I might as well mention my other two concerns and get them all out of

the way. General instruction for rosacea says to stay away from

triggers but through this process it looks like you wake the beast -

if the process is fully followed is there any risk of worsening the

disease? Has anyone ever done this process while also having ocular

rosacea? I had been taught that each flush causes damage to the

cornea, risking vision. Though I have these concerns I really hope I

can go this route and have a feeling I would reach success.

 

Take care,

Bonnie

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Hi Bonnie:

 

I too have ocular rosacea. I had to quit wearing my contact lenses about a year

ago. I have been using Finacea for the past year and my face has been under

control. I found that when my face is controlled my eye symptoms go away. I have

done one liver cleanse. I did not pass any stones but feel I had some success. I

used gold coin grass instead of apple juice just because I don't like juices. I

will do the cleanse again next week but will try apple juice. Since the cleanse

I have been wearing my contacts with no problem.

 

I am doing the ayurvedic cleanse right now. During the days of ghee my face was

red and bumpy but no problems with my eyes. I did my first night of oil massage

last night and my face is pale this morning with some pink and most of the bumps

are gone. I am using my topical meds just to help with the flare ups. I found

the ayuverdic cleanse to be emotional for me, I have been having dreams about

old things I thought were long gone and forgetten. But I firmly believe that

disease is caused by emotions. In my case I am a very private person and hold

all my emotions in. I know that I have a long way to go but I am going to keep

doing the cleanses and know that I will be cured.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Julie

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, " bonnie_hil "

<bonnie_hil> wrote:

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> General instruction for rosacea says to stay away from

> triggers but through this process it looks like you wake the

beast -

> if the process is fully followed is there any risk of worsening the

> disease?

 

Hi Bonnie,

 

I am doing the liver cleanses, and I decided against the

ayurverdic cleanse because it seemed like there would be too

much heat involved. For ex; the warm showers every day. If I did

that I would turn beet red. I also have occular involvement, that

hasn't worsened with the liver cleanses. It depends a lot on how

progressed the rosacea is. I've had mine for over 17 years, and

6 years ago I would have had no problem with the extra heat, but

now seeing how " bad " this can get, I opted for my own peace of

mind to just go for the liver cleanses. I've also been off oral

antibiotics since last September, and so far so good. I'm pretty

sure that One Love has posted that it's okay to just opt for the

liver cleanses rather than both cleanses. ALso regarding

bleeding & hemmoroids, although I don't have the problem, one

of my hydrotherapist does and she says you just have to take

your time with putting in the speculum. My facial skin has not

improved yet, but I am one of the few people that had overall

body burning. Now after 6 cleanses the burning has decreased

by I would say 95%. Just a little burning left on the feet and legs.

Hope this helps, MB

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Hi Bonnie

 

You are welcome. I have never seen the liver cleanse

associated with cornea damage. I am curious where you

heard this?

 

Since you have a sensitive situation, I would see a

accupuncturist as mentioned plus ask Andreas Moritz

about your concerns. His website is ener-chi.com and

his forum is

http://www.curezone.com/forums/description.asp?f=337

 

You can get started by simply removing heating and

congesting foods from your diet, plus eating according

to your body type. Also walk at least fifteen minutes

per day. I would also suggest consulting with a colonic

hydrotherapist.

 

I am not a big advocate of medications prescribed by

western medicine for rosacea since they tend to

suppress symptoms and accumulate as toxins over time.

 

Regarding books, a good place to start is The Amazing

Liver Cleanse by Andreas Moritz. It does contain the

instructions. Also Ayurvedic Healing by Dr. David Frawley

and Live In The Balance by Linda Prout.

 

You may find the following illustration of interest in

relation to ocular rosacea and the liver. Link here

http://www.lieske.com/channels/5e-liver.htm

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote:

 

> Thanks One Love.

> I am wondering whether or not I can do this process.

> I read the

> Ayurvedic cleansing process and am concerned on

> whether or not I can

> do the enemas. I on occasion will experience little

> pangs in my

> heart. I also have had experiences with itching and

> bleeding due to

> hemroids but these situations come and go also

> (currently " inactive " ) Is it possible for me to do

> anything to make

> this work for me?

>

> I might as well mention my other two concerns and

> get them all out of

> the way. General instruction for rosacea says to

> stay away from

> triggers but through this process it looks like you

> wake the beast -

> if the process is fully followed is there any risk

> of worsening the

> disease? Has anyone ever done this process while

> also having ocular

> rosacea? I had been taught that each flush causes

> damage to the

> cornea, risking vision. Though I have these

> concerns I really hope I

> can go this route and have a feeling I would reach

> success.

>

> Take care,

> Bonnie

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Hi Julie.

How did your ayurvedic cleanse end up working out for you? Do you

usually flush to heat? If so, how was your reaction to the whole

process?

I hope you're pleased.

Bonnie

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Hi MB.

Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear you have actually been

healing! Hope it starts to take place in your face in the near

future. What do you mean by body burning? Is it the same feeling

that one feels on the face or is it more of a sensation of feeling

heated all over?

 

I think you were smart to stick with the liver cleanse - I had the

same concerns with the warm baths. I am actually going to give the

Ayurvedic a try though. I want to go blazing in with both guns, I

hope I don't end up the fool.

lol

Bonnie

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Hi OneLove.

I had not been told that the liver cleanse can lead to cornea

damage. I have been told that each time a person with facial and

ocular rosacea flushes damage is done to both the skin's structure

and to the eye. My concern was doing the warm bath's etc. and

flushing as a result, thus causing more damage.

 

I have decided to do an ayurvedic to see what my experience will

be. I am hoping to use both the ayurvedic and liver cleanses to

possibly speed up the healing process.

Take Care.

Bonnie

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Hi Bonnie:

 

Into my 5th day of the Ayurvedic cleanse I had to stop. Too much heat was

released. I would wake up in the morning with a pale face, by afternoon I was

red, burning and my eyes were very irritated. Haven't had those symptoms for a

long time, took about 3 days to get the burning to stop. I live in SW Florida,

went to the beach this weekend and my face did not react like it usually does

when I am in the sun, so it must have done some good. I am doing my second liver

cleanse this week( I do not like apple juice) and think I will wait a while to

try the Ayurvedic again.

 

Someone mentioned Flare Off #150, I could only find one website for info, but

they have some cream that I ordered, would like to get off the prescription

topicals. Maybe after I get a few liver cleanses under my belt I might try some

of the chinese herbs that release heat.

 

Take Care,

Julie

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Dear Bonnie

 

I do not know who told you this information, but I am

going to assume they are referring to the Hulda Clark

liver cleanse which I do not recommend.

 

There have been problems with her cleanse due its poor

design. I read about one young lady who experienced

bile regurgitation with the Clark cleanse.

 

An analogy is like water flowing through a pipe and

having a block in the pipe. The water can not get

through due to the blockage. The water and pressure

backs up and can cause problems.

 

I have not seen any people experience problems with

the liver cleanse as described in The Amazing Liver

Cleanse book by Andreas Moritz.

 

With your sensitive situation, I would suggest going

through the ayurvedic cleanse slowly step by step and

see how you react. Perhaps not making the bath water

too hot is a solution. I support you in your healing

process.

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote:

 

> Hi OneLove.

> I had not been told that the liver cleanse can

> lead to cornea

> damage. I have been told that each time a person

> with facial and

> ocular rosacea flushes damage is done to both the

> skin's structure

> and to the eye. My concern was doing the warm bath's

> etc. and

> flushing as a result, thus causing more damage.

>

> I have decided to do an ayurvedic to see what my

> experience will

> be. I am hoping to use both the ayurvedic and liver

> cleanses to

> possibly speed up the healing process.

> Take Care.

> Bonnie

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Hi Julie.

Sorry about the experience with the Ayurvedic, but it was great to

hear you had a more pleasant experience in the sun! I will give the

Ayurvedic cleansing a try in a couple weeks. I am still waiting for

Moritz's book to arrive via mail so I do not know the difference in

the methods. MB said he never has flushed during a Moritz cleanse.

 

I am thinking I will probably have the same reaction you have had

because of the heat involved, though I am going to try OneLove's

suggestion to take baths that are not too warm - heat is a big

trigger for me. Let me know what you think of Flare Off - I have

heard a person say that it did make her flare up. I wonder if the

flareups are part of the ayurvedic healing process - release of

toxins through the face. Maybe OneLove could shed some light on this.

Anyone else have thoughts on whether or not facial and ocular

flushing causing further damage?

Take care,

Bonnie

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Hi OneLove.

I am glad you made the suggestion to adjust the temperature of the

bath water. I thought about that myself but did not know if that

would affect the effectiveness of the cleansing. In the files aloe

vera juice and coconut oils were mentioned as cooling. Would I apply

the coconut oil directly to my face?

 

I contacted my local grocer in regards to the organic yellow mung

beans. I was told that they can order some but that they would not

be split. Is that o.k.?

Take care.

Bonnie

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Hi Julie

 

Sorry to hear you were releasing too much heat. You

might try again after the liver cleanse.

 

Regarding apple juice, it is used to soften stones due

its natural malic acid content. Andreas Moritz says

you can use malic acid powder if you do not like apple

juice.

 

The standard dosage is one half teaspoon mixed in a

glass of water four times per day for six days. The

taste tends to be be rather sour. You can put the

powder in capsules to avoid the taste. The cost for

430 grams is $4.25. The supplier is pewine.com. The

direct link is

http://shop.piwine.com/shopsite/prwc/product48.html

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

Julie <juliesjazz01 wrote:

 

> Hi Bonnie:

>

> Into my 5th day of the Ayurvedic cleanse I had to

> stop. Too much heat was released. I would wake up in

> the morning with a pale face, by afternoon I was

> red, burning and my eyes were very irritated.

> Haven't had those symptoms for a long time, took

> about 3 days to get the burning to stop. I live in

> SW Florida, went to the beach this weekend and my

> face did not react like it usually does when I am in

> the sun, so it must have done some good. I am doing

> my second liver cleanse this week( I do not like

> apple juice) and think I will wait a while to try

> the Ayurvedic again.

>

> Someone mentioned Flare Off #150, I could only

> find one website for info, but they have some cream

> that I ordered, would like to get off the

> prescription topicals. Maybe after I get a few liver

> cleanses under my belt I might try some of the

> chinese herbs that release heat.

>

> Take Care,

> Julie

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Hi Bonnie

 

Traditionally, the ayurvedic cleanse employs a steam

cabinet with the body enclosed by the cabinet and the

head exposed to remain cool. A sauna is not to be

used. The purpose is to sweat for seven minutes in

order to open the internal pathways and dislodge

internal heat.

 

A picture of a steam cabinet is here

http://www.spaequip.com/store/SM-DELUXE.jsp

 

More economical is a steam tent picture here

http://www.steamywonder.com

 

Due to the expense and the fact that most people do

not have access to a steam cabinet or tent, a hot bath

or shower is the substitute. Reducing the temperature

of the water may reduce the effectiveness of the

cleanse, but in your case, this may be a better way to

proceed.

 

Yes, coconut oil can be applied directly to the skin.

Whole mung beans are harder to digest compared to

split. You can cook them and then run them through a

blender to make them more digestable. An excellent

substitue to mung beans are red lentils which should

be available at your health food store.

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

bonnie_hil <bonnie_hil wrote:

 

> Hi OneLove.

> I am glad you made the suggestion to adjust the

> temperature of the

> bath water. I thought about that myself but did not

> know if that

> would affect the effectiveness of the cleansing. In

> the files aloe

> vera juice and coconut oils were mentioned as

> cooling. Would I apply

> the coconut oil directly to my face?

>

> I contacted my local grocer in regards to the

> organic yellow mung

> beans. I was told that they can order some but that

> they would not

> be split. Is that o.k.?

> Take care.

> Bonnie

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Hi OneLove:

 

Thanks for the info. I used gold coin grass on my first cleanse and did not have

much luck. Will know tomorrow if the apple juice worked, if so I will just stick

with it. I do have a couple of questions. Are the cleanses supposed to have a

gradual healing process or a more intense healing? Is this a get worse before

better process? I know this is probably different for each individual but I

seem to have extreme reaction to everything.Would it be better if I just did the

liver cleanses for a while then do the more heat releasing cleanses or should I

just get it over with and release the heat?

 

Julie

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Hi Julie

 

You are welcome. You should see a gradual improvement

with each cleanse in addition to following the diet

and exercise guidelines. However, some in this group

have released more heat than expected.

 

Normally, a practitioner of eastern medicine will meet

with a patient to view their physical appearance, take

their pulse to determine the strength or weakness of

each internal organ, analyze the tongue which also

reflects the internal organs, and ask numerous

questions regarding health history, diet, lifestyle,

emotions, etc. in order to determine the specific

pattern of imbalance. All of this helps the

practitoner strategize the approach to restore

balance.

 

Without knowing your specific pattern of imbalance, it

is hard to predict exactly how your progress will

manifest. However, the guidelines for this group

combined with time and patience, I am confident will

bring you results. Yes, it is fine to just do the

liver cleanses for now. Also let your intuition be

your guide too.

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

Julie <juliesjazz01 wrote:

 

> Hi OneLove:

>

> Thanks for the info. I used gold coin grass on my

> first cleanse and did not have much luck. Will know

> tomorrow if the apple juice worked, if so I will

> just stick with it. I do have a couple of questions.

> Are the cleanses supposed to have a gradual healing

> process or a more intense healing? Is this a get

> worse before better process? I know this is probably

> different for each individual but I seem to have

> extreme reaction to everything.Would it be better if

> I just did the liver cleanses for a while then do

> the more heat releasing cleanses or should I just

> get it over with and release the heat?

>

> Julie

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Hi OneLove:

 

First of all I want to thank you for your time and patience in anwering all my

questions.

Second, since my second liver cleanse post was deleted I will just reply here.

I used just the apple juice this week. I did a colema Thursday night (my 7th)

and must have had a healing crisis, felt nauseaous a couple of times and my face

was a little worse Friday morning. I did the liver cleanse Friday night and

Saturday morning I released hundreds of stones. Yeah! It was just like the book

described. Pea size, bright green and some small tan stones. It is Sunday

morning and my face looks much better, the fastest it has ever cleared up. Can't

wait to do the next cleanse!

 

Again, than you. Will keep you posted on my progress.

 

Julie

 

 

 

 

 

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