Dramatic Liver Cleanse

[Guest guest]

Hello Friends,

 

Just thought I'd report on my first liver cleanse.

 

I'll preface by saying that Andreas Moritz's cleanse is true to its

name...amazing! I was astounded at the number of stones that were

released from my system. Literally hundreds of stones, of all shapes

and sizes, came out. Probably 800-900 total, no exaggeration. I was

genuinely astonished, having heard tales from friends of maybe a

hundred at the max being released.

 

I experienced no nausea or even fatigue, which was surprising,

considering that I'm easily nauseated. In fact, I felt pretty darn

normal as soon as I started eating (ate only basmati rice at first,

then broth and Vietnamese rice paper rolls later).

 

My only unhappiness comes from the condition of my skin....it is

WORSE. Woke up with an utterly swollen, red, itchy, hypersensitive

face. Eyes were literally swollen shut. Am I experiencing the

typical " healing crisis " as my body processes the toxic heat being

released from my system? I'm familiar with this concept, having

worked with lots of Eastern healing modalities before. But geez, this

is really extreme! I have to cancel all my obligations....can't leave

the house with this tomato-face.

 

OneLove, I would appreciate any insight you may have on why the

condition has worsened. Any thoughts on the timelines of the healing

crisis? I am still suffering from my seasonal hayfver as well, which

definitely exascerbates the facial redness and inflammation. Thoughts?

 

Thanks again!

 

Jen

[Guest guest]

Dear Jen

 

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am sorry to

hear about your swollen red face. This is nearly the

same experience I had when I had a release

of heat from my liver, however not due to the liver

cleanse. See here

http://health./message/1

 

You are the first to report a swollen face after the

liver cleanse. I would have to say you released a lot

of heat and toxins. Remember it is very important to

do the post colonic to remove any residual stones in

the colon.

 

If the swelling and redness has not gone down by now,

I would suggest making an appointment with a

accupuncturist to receive accpuncture and herbs to

take down the heat from your face.

 

Please note I consider accupunture and herbs to be a

temporary treatment for moderate to severe rosacea. It

takes continued cleansing, diet, and exercise to

remove deep seated congestion and heat.

 

I am curious, is it possible for you to mention what your

diet and emotional life was like before the onset of rosacea?

 

Thank you

 

OneLove

 

 

jenbernard2004 <jen wrote:

 

> Hello Friends,

>

> Just thought I'd report on my first liver cleanse.

>

> I'll preface by saying that Andreas Moritz's cleanse

> is true to its

> name...amazing! I was astounded at the number of

> stones that were

> released from my system. Literally hundreds of

> stones, of all shapes

> and sizes, came out. Probably 800-900 total, no

> exaggeration. I was

> genuinely astonished, having heard tales from

> friends of maybe a

> hundred at the max being released.

>

> I experienced no nausea or even fatigue, which was

> surprising,

> considering that I'm easily nauseated. In fact, I

> felt pretty darn

> normal as soon as I started eating (ate only basmati

> rice at first,

> then broth and Vietnamese rice paper rolls later).

>

> My only unhappiness comes from the condition of my

> skin....it is

> WORSE. Woke up with an utterly swollen, red, itchy,

> hypersensitive

> face. Eyes were literally swollen shut. Am I

> experiencing the

> typical " healing crisis " as my body processes the

> toxic heat being

> released from my system? I'm familiar with this

> concept, having

> worked with lots of Eastern healing modalities

> before. But geez, this

> is really extreme! I have to cancel all my

> obligations....can't leave

> the house with this tomato-face.

>

> OneLove, I would appreciate any insight you may have

> on why the

> condition has worsened. Any thoughts on the

> timelines of the healing

> crisis? I am still suffering from my seasonal

> hayfver as well, which

> definitely exascerbates the facial redness and

> inflammation. Thoughts?

>

> Thanks again!

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

Dear OneLove and others,

 

Thanks for the response to my report on the liver cleanse. I wanted

to respond to your question about my pre-cleanse diet.

 

My diet was better than the typical American diet (more

vegetables..less crap), but I would indulge in refined carbohydrates

(white flour, sugar and the like), meat, and alcohol with regularity.

I have always had a tremendous craving for animal meat, despite being

raised by mostly-vegetarians.

 

I am a musician who spends a lot of time performing, so there is

always beer at gigs and social gatherings where alcohol is being

consumed. I have always known that alcohol upsets my skin, so I was

generally moderate with it and avoided red wine altogether

(nightmare!). But there were definitely weekends where I'd have 2-3

drinks on two nights in a row. Through the cleanse, I've abstained

from alcohol altogether.

 

In general, I'd say my diet was better-than-average but far from

optimal. I DID try to avoid my many food allergies (citrus, vinegar,

tomatoes, chocolate, MSG, mangoes, peanuts, shellfish, soy foods, many

more), and succeeded for the most part. I've had eczema since I was

an infant (thanks, genetics!), and have shows lifelong allergies to

these foods. I actually suspect that I developed rosacea in part as a

reaction to horrible steroids I was using briefly on my eczema face.

Evil stuff!!!! WHY do they prescribe that stuff?

 

Back to the present: Hayfever is a MAJOR source of my inflammation, I

am certain. All the beautiful trees are in bloom, and the pollen

count is off the charts. My eyes are itchy and watery now, and my

whole system feels itchy, despite having a fantastic energy level from

the cleanses. I suspect I should've started my cleansing regimen a

little earlier, before my intense allergy season began, in an effort

to reduce my system's reactionary nature to the pollens. I am using

Eyebright Tea as an external eyewash and it seems to be helping the

eye inflammation, but the red swollen face remains. I want to

reiterate that this skin flare happens to me EVERY March and April.

It's as through my system routes its allergic response DIRECTLY to my

skin, and bypasses the other typical channels, such as the nasal

system. My eyes are affected this time, but the facial inflammation

happened first.

 

I did have a post-liver-cleanse colonic, and flushed out a lot of old

stuff. As I mentioned, my energy level is off-the-charts wonderful.

Aside from the facial inflammation, I feel fantastic. I am planning to

do another liver cleanse is 2 more weeks.

 

Thanks for the continues support.

 

Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

 

I had a similar reaction with my liver flush. What I did was daily

enemas -- coffee to further stimulate detoxing, then finishing with

aloe for coolness.

 

I drank lots of Fiji water; took an epsom salt detox bath; used

bentonite mixed with apple cider vinegar as a facial mask; took

bentonight & psyllium drinks. I also threw on a castor oil pack!

 

So, I used everything to flush and draw the toxins out as quickly as

I knew how.

 

Whew!

 

Hope you're doing better by now! (Info for all is available on line.)

 

Regards,

 

PC

[Guest guest]

Hi PC,

 

Thanks for the response. Wow....it sounds like you went whole-hog

with the cleansing process. I did many of the same things you did. I

can really relate to that feeling of wanting to purge it all.....I

have found myself very impatient for results throughout this process.

 

Did you experience the intense flaring afterward like I did? I'm

still convinced that seasonal hayfever, and the subsequent

immunological response, has been at the heart of this flare-up.

 

The good news is that my face looks a hell of a lot better. With

foundation on, I look " normal. " That's a far cry from last week's

swollen red mask. I even had an indulgent vegetarian dinner with a

friend, and no reaction to the acidic foods or goat cheese. Yea!

 

Planning anohter liver cleanse in a couple weeks.

 

Thanks again for the response.

 

Jen

 

 

 

, " pink_cat_6 " <fminyc@i...> wrote:

> Hi Jen,

>

> I had a similar reaction with my liver flush. What I did was daily

> enemas -- coffee to further stimulate detoxing, then finishing with

> aloe for coolness.

>

> I drank lots of Fiji water; took an epsom salt detox bath; used

> bentonite mixed with apple cider vinegar as a facial mask; took

> bentonight & psyllium drinks. I also threw on a castor oil pack!

>

> So, I used everything to flush and draw the toxins out as quickly as

> I knew how.

>

> Whew!

>

> Hope you're doing better by now! (Info for all is available on line.)

>

> Regards,

>

> PC

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

 

Yup -- I went " hog wild " with the cleansing. I wasn't going to give

one tiny bacteria the chance to set up a colony.

 

In answer to your did-you-flush (as in facial redness) question:

Oddly, at this point I can't remember. I did a little breaking out

(which is, of course, all you focus on -- the pimples -- when you

are breaking out, so it always looks bigger than it really is). And

this is why I bought the bentonite clay, so that could detox my skin

from the outside (before anything else could think of reddening me

more!)

 

My skin has undergone a dramatic change since. It's very clear in

parts. In other parts old stuff continues to fade (pimple burn is

what I call it: the left over red, round coloring on otherwise good

skin). But the texture is good: soft, not flakey or dry. There is

definitely a good and rapid healing going on.

 

I hope your next cleanse gets at the matter of your hayfever. Please

do post about it!

 

I plan to do another flush the weekend after this one.

 

BTW, the " Ayurvedic Cleanse " did me very well in the skin color

department. It truly draws down the heat.

 

Best wishes,

 

PC

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response, P.C. Great to hear that the cleansing

processes have brought such amazing results for you. Sounds like your

skin has experienced an amazing turnaround, and will only get better

as the remnants of break-outs fade.

 

Interestingly, I've never had any of the pimples or pustules of

rosacea, just the red, swollen, itchy skin. More than ever, I'm

convinced that hayfever is at the root of my flares; I checked the

local pollen count, and it has been " EXTREMELY HIGH " for the past 2

week! That's the highest level they have! Anyway, I suspect, as you

mentioned, that my immune system will calm down a bit once I've got a

few cleanses under my belt. I am unfortunate in that allergic

inflammation really runs in my family, so the genetic component is

strong. I need to reprogram the way I think of my body. I have been

itchy for as long as I can remember.

 

I have a question for the whole group and OneLove in particular: Has

anyone tried the Chinese herbs which are marketed as " Clear Heat " and

" Flare Off? " They are on the web, and marketed to rosacea sufferers.

Supposedly, they remove the toxic heat from the liver, and move it

out of the body. Lots of glowing testimonials on their websites. I

tried both, but flared so horribly (released so much heat)that I

couldn't continue, although I suspect I would've been better in a few

days if I'd been able to ride out the intensity. Their sites suggest

that your skin WILL get worse before it gets better. Any thoughts?

Clearly, the stuff DID activate a movement of heat.

 

Ciao for now,

 

Jen

 

 

 

, " pink_cat_6 " <fminyc@i...> wrote:

> Hi Jen,

>

> Yup -- I went " hog wild " with the cleansing. I wasn't going to give

> one tiny bacteria the chance to set up a colony.

>

> In answer to your did-you-flush (as in facial redness) question:

> Oddly, at this point I can't remember. I did a little breaking out

> (which is, of course, all you focus on -- the pimples -- when you

> are breaking out, so it always looks bigger than it really is). And

> this is why I bought the bentonite clay, so that could detox my skin

> from the outside (before anything else could think of reddening me

> more!)

>

> My skin has undergone a dramatic change since. It's very clear in

> parts. In other parts old stuff continues to fade (pimple burn is

> what I call it: the left over red, round coloring on otherwise good

> skin). But the texture is good: soft, not flakey or dry. There is

> definitely a good and rapid healing going on.

>

> I hope your next cleanse gets at the matter of your hayfever. Please

> do post about it!

>

> I plan to do another flush the weekend after this one.

>

> BTW, the " Ayurvedic Cleanse " did me very well in the skin color

> department. It truly draws down the heat.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> PC

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen

 

I have seen Chinese herbs like you mention and

consider them to be a good thing. Perhaps if you try

them again, you will not have the same reaction since

you have done one liver cleanse so far.

 

All the best

 

OneLove

 

 

enbernard2004 <jen wrote:

 

> Thanks for the response, P.C. Great to hear that

> the cleansing

> processes have brought such amazing results for you.

> Sounds like your

> skin has experienced an amazing turnaround, and will

> only get better

> as the remnants of break-outs fade.

>

> Interestingly, I've never had any of the pimples or

> pustules of

> rosacea, just the red, swollen, itchy skin. More

> than ever, I'm

> convinced that hayfever is at the root of my flares;

> I checked the

> local pollen count, and it has been " EXTREMELY HIGH "

> for the past 2

> week! That's the highest level they have! Anyway,

> I suspect, as you

> mentioned, that my immune system will calm down a

> bit once I've got a

> few cleanses under my belt. I am unfortunate in

> that allergic

> inflammation really runs in my family, so the

> genetic component is

> strong. I need to reprogram the way I think of my

> body. I have been

> itchy for as long as I can remember.

>

> I have a question for the whole group and OneLove in

> particular: Has

> anyone tried the Chinese herbs which are marketed as

> " Clear Heat " and

> " Flare Off? " They are on the web, and marketed to

> rosacea sufferers.

> Supposedly, they remove the toxic heat from the

> liver, and move it

> out of the body. Lots of glowing testimonials on

> their websites. I

> tried both, but flared so horribly (released so much

> heat)that I

> couldn't continue, although I suspect I would've

> been better in a few

> days if I'd been able to ride out the intensity.

> Their sites suggest

> that your skin WILL get worse before it gets better.

> Any thoughts?

> Clearly, the stuff DID activate a movement of heat.

>

> Ciao for now,

>

> Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen,

 

How are you doing now?

 

Regarding my experience with Chinese herbs I used " Acnease " some

months back and it did, indeed, help a little bit (no flaring or

anything from them; a little soothing). But the help wasn't nearly

enough.

 

Liver cleanse was very good. I have some of the Acnease left. I plan

to take it on vacation to counter the effects of restaurant food.

Now -- I do try to choose wisely, but a patron really hasn't got

control over the supply and the preparation. And usually restaurant

food is made with heating ingredients and acid-forming ones. I don't

even have to check; my intestines let me know!

 

PC

[Guest guest]

Hi PC,

 

Thanks for the reponse. I, too, tried Acnease, and found that it did

help somewhat with the redness, but wasn't quite a " big gun. " The

products that flared me bigtime were " Flare Off, " and " Clear Heat. "

They were two different herbal preparations which were touted as

removing and clearing toxic heat from the liver and small intestines.

I suspect that OneLove is right.....trying these products after a

series of cleanses probably wouldn't result in the intense flare. I

plan to try it again when I have a couple days with no pressing

responsibilities.

 

My good news is that the hayfever, and subsequently the intense facial

flaring, has abated. Finally, the Oregon rains came and knocked the

pollens out of the sky. My skin underwent its miraculous " peel, " a

lot like when you have a sunburn. All the red, ultra-irritated skin

just sloughed off over a period of 4 days, and new creamy skin was

underneath. I look like myself again! Even drank some light beer last

night and nothing happened (always a risk-taker)! I am so happy. I

really believe that our emotional state has EVERYTHING to do with our

skin, and that it's really hard to break the cycle of inflammation

when we're constantly checking ourselves in the mirror, sad and

insecure about the state of our skin. It can be so depressing. But,

for now, I'm holding on the tenuous slope of clear skin.

 

I am planning a second liver cleanse in 2 weeks, followed by an

Ayurvedic cleanse as well. It's cleansing season! Once you start.....

 

Ditto on the restaurant meals, PC. You just don't know what you're

getting. MSG is a huge trigger for me, and it seems to be in

EVERYTHING these days. When is it gonna get banned? I agree that

taking Acnease preventatively is a smart move when you know you're

gonna encounter acidic, heating foods. Good luck!

 

Blessings to all.

 

Jen

 

, " pink_cat_6 " <fminyc@i...> wrote:

> Hi Jen,

>

> How are you doing now?

>

> Regarding my experience with Chinese herbs I used " Acnease " some

> months back and it did, indeed, help a little bit (no flaring or

> anything from them; a little soothing). But the help wasn't nearly

> enough.

>

> Liver cleanse was very good. I have some of the Acnease left. I plan

> to take it on vacation to counter the effects of restaurant food.

> Now -- I do try to choose wisely, but a patron really hasn't got

> control over the supply and the preparation. And usually restaurant

> food is made with heating ingredients and acid-forming ones. I don't

> even have to check; my intestines let me know!

>

> PC