Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you wouldn't mind, I have a few more. 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease, but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels? 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold. When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make sense? 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say, antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Greetings You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is Dr. Geoffrey Nase is using the western model of analysis which is incomlete in understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the superficial blood vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it is not a disease of the superficial blood vessels. Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes from congestion in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of temperature differences is due to your body type and your current state of internal imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies. I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of peoples experience with this healing process. The main factor with this process is to follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time. As long as you stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise, you will eventually see benefits. Kind regards OneLove original message Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you wouldn't mind, I have a few more. 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease, but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels? 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold. When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make sense? 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say, antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 I had to respond to your comments because they were so similar to things I have asked, having done liver cleanse, homeopathy, etc. with no results, that I thought maybe I had written the question. I want to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with rosacea, but it does not seem to work and the bottom line with this condition is to get it under control and move on with your life! I have just done my 3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I have in a while. I haven't even been on the internet looking for any more rosacea answers--whereas I used to be on constantly. Tonight, I wanted to ask people how they continue to exercise without flushing. I'm scared to undo the results I have achieved, but desperately miss working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my sympathetic nerves removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really appreciate any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine too harsh for the face? I thought this could be a solution because it keeps you cool. , " shivatron " <shivatron> wrote: > Greetings > > You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is Dr. Geoffrey > Nase is using the western model of analysis which is incomlete in > understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the superficial blood > vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it is not a disease of > the superficial blood vessels. > > Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes from congestion > in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of temperature > differences is due to your body type and your current state of internal > imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies. > > I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of peoples > experience with this healing process. The main factor with this process is to > follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time. As long as you > stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise, you will > eventually see benefits. > > Kind regards > > OneLove > > > original message > > Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you > wouldn't mind, I have a few more. > > 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease, > but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes > this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to > be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that > become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or > whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver > cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels? > > 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than > most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold. > When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am > miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If > this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the > cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate > too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make > sense? > > 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure > would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried > acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi > gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say, > antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 --Hi, I'm the one who wrote the comments that you say were so similar to your own. It sounds like we have both tried many different modalities to try to cure the rosacea, to no avail. I have to say, though, that I have tried liver cleanses in the past but not to the extent that is offered on this site i.e., anti-pita diet, monthly liver cleanses, colonics, lifestyle changes. My previous cleanses even included Coke with the olive oil mixture, and no colonics. Tastier, but nothing changed. I understand the importance of getting the rosacea under control, because I didn't due to doctors misdiagnosis. So I went 13 years without knowing what was wrong with me and doing all the wrong things. (exercising harder and harder, steam baths, etc., thinking these are the normal things that help you become stronger) But if you look at my response #95 you will see that with all the things I've tried in the past, with not one response from my body, this, so far, has helped with other problems that have plagued me as long as the rosacea. So I'm going to keep it up. But as someone who has gone through the stages of rosacea, into severe, I also keep my eyes open to the western medicine side if things begin to turn sour. RIght now energy wise I feel the best i have in 15 years. So although this hasn't done a thing for the rosacea yet, I'm still optimistic. But I would like to hear more reports of success from those who have lived with rosacea for a long time. I'm leary of reports of success from those who have had it less than a couple of years, even 5 years. not because I don;t believe, but because I've seen how this disease works, and it can be sneaky. ALso you'll see in my repsonse 95 that my negative problems have been heartburn and sickness since starting the cleanses. I'm happy to say that the heartburn is gone. Just stopped. And I'm not sick right now, but I'll have to wait and see if it's a trend from the cleanses. MB - In , " akenoff " <akenoff@a...> wrote: > I had to respond to your comments because they were so similar to > things I have asked, having done liver cleanse, homeopathy, etc. with > no results, that I thought maybe I had written the question. I want > to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with rosacea, but it > does not seem to work and the bottom line with this condition is to > get it under control and move on with your life! I have just done my > 3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I have in a while. I > haven't even been on the internet looking for any more rosacea > answers--whereas I used to be on constantly. Tonight, I wanted to > ask people how they continue to exercise without flushing. I'm > scared to undo the results I have achieved, but desperately miss > working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my sympathetic nerves > removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really appreciate > any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine too harsh for the > face? I thought this could be a solution because it keeps you cool. > > , " shivatron " <shivatron> > wrote: > > Greetings > > > > You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is Dr. > Geoffrey > > Nase is using the western model of analysis which is incomlete in > > understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the superficial > blood > > vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it is not > a disease of > > the superficial blood vessels. > > > > Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes from > congestion > > in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of > temperature > > differences is due to your body type and your current state of > internal > > imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies. > > > > I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of > peoples > > experience with this healing process. The main factor with this > process is to > > follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time. As > long as you > > stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise, you > will > > eventually see benefits. > > > > Kind regards > > > > OneLove > > > > > > original message > > > > Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you > > wouldn't mind, I have a few more. > > > > 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease, > > but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes > > this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to > > be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that > > become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or > > whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver > > cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels? > > > > 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than > > most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold. > > When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am > > miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If > > this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the > > cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate > > too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make > > sense? > > > > 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure > > would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried > > acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi > > gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say, > > antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Greetings Andrea You mention you have had no results from the liver cleanse. Can you describe if you have followed the recommendations for this group closely? How many liver cleanses have you done so far? Did you do the all important pre and post cleanses with the liver cleanse? Have you been eating the diet recommended during the healing process? Have you been walking to circulate energy? Any comments appreciated. Most kindly OneLove akenoff <akenoff wrote: > I had to respond to your comments because they were > so similar to > things I have asked, having done liver cleanse, > homeopathy, etc. with > no results, that I thought maybe I had written the > question. I want > to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with > rosacea, but it > does not seem to work and the bottom line with this > condition is to > get it under control and move on with your life! I > have just done my > 3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I > have in a while. I > haven't even been on the internet looking for any > more rosacea > answers--whereas I used to be on constantly. > Tonight, I wanted to > ask people how they continue to exercise without > flushing. I'm > scared to undo the results I have achieved, but > desperately miss > working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my > sympathetic nerves > removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really > appreciate > any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine > too harsh for the > face? I thought this could be a solution because it > keeps you cool. > > , " shivatron " > <shivatron> > wrote: > > Greetings > > > > You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I > assume is Dr. > Geoffrey > > Nase is using Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Hi MB Great to hear you are feeling better. I admire your positive attitude and persistence! OneLove --- mightybubbles2002 <mands wrote: > --Hi, I'm the one who wrote the comments that you > say were so > similar to your own. It sounds like we have both > tried many > different modalities to try to cure the rosacea, to > no avail. I have to > say, though, that I have tried liver cleanses in the > past but not to > the extent that is offered on this site i.e., > anti-pita diet, monthly > liver cleanses, colonics, lifestyle changes. My > previous cleanses > even included Coke with the olive oil mixture, and > no colonics. > Tastier, but nothing changed. > > I understand the importance of getting the rosacea > under control, > because I didn't due to doctors misdiagnosis. So I > went 13 years > without knowing what was wrong with me and doing all > the > wrong things. (exercising harder and harder, steam > baths, etc., > thinking these are the normal things that help you > become > stronger) But if you look at my response #95 you > will see that > with all the things I've tried in the past, with not > one response > from my body, this, so far, has helped with other > problems that > have plagued me as long as the rosacea. So I'm going > to keep it > up. But as someone who has gone through the stages > of > rosacea, into severe, I also keep my eyes open to > the western > medicine side if things begin to turn sour. > > RIght now energy wise I feel the best i have in 15 > years. So > although this hasn't done a thing for the rosacea > yet, I'm still > optimistic. But I would like to hear more reports of > success from > those who have lived with rosacea for a long time. > I'm leary of > reports of success from those who have had it less > than a > couple of years, even 5 years. not because I don;t > believe, but > because I've seen how this disease works, and it can > be sneaky. > > ALso you'll see in my repsonse 95 that my negative > problems > have been heartburn and sickness since starting the > cleanses. > I'm happy to say that the heartburn is gone. Just > stopped. And I'm > not sick right now, but I'll have to wait and see if > it's a trend from > the cleanses. > > MB > > - In , " akenoff " > <akenoff@a...> wrote: > > I had to respond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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