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Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you

wouldn't mind, I have a few more.

 

1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease,

but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes

this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to

be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that

become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or

whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver

cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels?

 

2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than

most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold.

When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am

miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If

this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the

cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate

too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make

sense?

 

3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure

would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried

acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi

gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say,

antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits?

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Greetings

 

You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is Dr. Geoffrey

Nase is using the western model of analysis which is incomlete in

understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the superficial blood

vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it is not a disease of

the superficial blood vessels.

 

Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes from congestion

in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of temperature

differences is due to your body type and your current state of internal

imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies.

 

I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of peoples

experience with this healing process. The main factor with this process is to

follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time. As long as you

stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise, you will

eventually see benefits.

 

Kind regards

 

OneLove

 

 

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Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you

wouldn't mind, I have a few more.

 

1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease,

but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes

this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to

be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that

become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or

whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver

cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels?

 

2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than

most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold.

When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am

miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If

this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the

cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate

too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make

sense?

 

3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure

would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried

acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi

gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say,

antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits?

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I had to respond to your comments because they were so similar to

things I have asked, having done liver cleanse, homeopathy, etc. with

no results, that I thought maybe I had written the question. I want

to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with rosacea, but it

does not seem to work and the bottom line with this condition is to

get it under control and move on with your life! I have just done my

3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I have in a while. I

haven't even been on the internet looking for any more rosacea

answers--whereas I used to be on constantly. Tonight, I wanted to

ask people how they continue to exercise without flushing. I'm

scared to undo the results I have achieved, but desperately miss

working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my sympathetic nerves

removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really appreciate

any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine too harsh for the

face? I thought this could be a solution because it keeps you cool.

 

, " shivatron " <shivatron>

wrote:

> Greetings

>

> You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is Dr.

Geoffrey

> Nase is using the western model of analysis which is incomlete in

> understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the superficial

blood

> vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it is not

a disease of

> the superficial blood vessels.

>

> Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes from

congestion

> in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of

temperature

> differences is due to your body type and your current state of

internal

> imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies.

>

> I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of

peoples

> experience with this healing process. The main factor with this

process is to

> follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time. As

long as you

> stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise, you

will

> eventually see benefits.

>

> Kind regards

>

> OneLove

>

>

> original message

>

> Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you

> wouldn't mind, I have a few more.

>

> 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin " disease,

> but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that believes

> this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That seems to

> be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels that

> become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or

> whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the liver

> cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels?

>

> 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than

> most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold.

> When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I am

> miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable. If

> this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in the

> cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they dilate

> too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still make

> sense?

>

> 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure

> would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried

> acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi

> gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say,

> antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits?

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--Hi, I'm the one who wrote the comments that you say were so

similar to your own. It sounds like we have both tried many

different modalities to try to cure the rosacea, to no avail. I have to

say, though, that I have tried liver cleanses in the past but not to

the extent that is offered on this site i.e., anti-pita diet, monthly

liver cleanses, colonics, lifestyle changes. My previous cleanses

even included Coke with the olive oil mixture, and no colonics.

Tastier, but nothing changed.

 

I understand the importance of getting the rosacea under control,

because I didn't due to doctors misdiagnosis. So I went 13 years

without knowing what was wrong with me and doing all the

wrong things. (exercising harder and harder, steam baths, etc.,

thinking these are the normal things that help you become

stronger) But if you look at my response #95 you will see that

with all the things I've tried in the past, with not one response

from my body, this, so far, has helped with other problems that

have plagued me as long as the rosacea. So I'm going to keep it

up. But as someone who has gone through the stages of

rosacea, into severe, I also keep my eyes open to the western

medicine side if things begin to turn sour.

 

RIght now energy wise I feel the best i have in 15 years. So

although this hasn't done a thing for the rosacea yet, I'm still

optimistic. But I would like to hear more reports of success from

those who have lived with rosacea for a long time. I'm leary of

reports of success from those who have had it less than a

couple of years, even 5 years. not because I don;t believe, but

because I've seen how this disease works, and it can be sneaky.

 

ALso you'll see in my repsonse 95 that my negative problems

have been heartburn and sickness since starting the cleanses.

I'm happy to say that the heartburn is gone. Just stopped. And I'm

not sick right now, but I'll have to wait and see if it's a trend from

the cleanses.

 

MB

 

- In , " akenoff "

<akenoff@a...> wrote:

> I had to respond to your comments because they were so

similar to

> things I have asked, having done liver cleanse, homeopathy,

etc. with

> no results, that I thought maybe I had written the question. I

want

> to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with rosacea,

but it

> does not seem to work and the bottom line with this condition

is to

> get it under control and move on with your life! I have just done

my

> 3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I have in a while.

I

> haven't even been on the internet looking for any more rosacea

> answers--whereas I used to be on constantly. Tonight, I

wanted to

> ask people how they continue to exercise without flushing. I'm

> scared to undo the results I have achieved, but desperately

miss

> working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my sympathetic

nerves

> removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really

appreciate

> any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine too harsh for

the

> face? I thought this could be a solution because it keeps you

cool.

>

> , " shivatron "

<shivatron>

> wrote:

> > Greetings

> >

> > You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I assume is

Dr.

> Geoffrey

> > Nase is using the western model of analysis which is

incomlete in

> > understanding. Yes, rosacea involves inflamation of the

superficial

> blood

> > vessels, however from the viewpoint of eastern medicine, it

is not

> a disease of

> > the superficial blood vessels.

> >

> > Inflamation comes from toxic heat in the blood which comes

from

> congestion

> > in the liver, gall bladder, and intestines. Your feeling of

> temperature

> > differences is due to your body type and your current state of

> internal

> > imbalance. Yes, the idea of heat in the blood still applies.

> >

> > I am in the process of trying to collect documented cases of

> peoples

> > experience with this healing process. The main factor with

this

> process is to

> > follow the guidelines and have patience since it takes time.

As

> long as you

> > stick with the basics which are cleansing, diet, and exercise,

you

> will

> > eventually see benefits.

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > OneLove

> >

> >

> > original message

> >

> > Hi, Thanks for answering my last bunch of questions, If you

> > wouldn't mind, I have a few more.

> >

> > 1. I know that most people consider rosacea a " skin "

disease,

> > but on the rosacea support group there is a doctor that

believes

> > this is a disease of the superficial blood vessels. That

seems to

> > be the consensus now: A hyper-activity of the blood vessels

that

> > become inflamed over time. THen the inflammatory cells, or

> > whatever, rise to the surface. If that is the case, how do the

liver

> > cleanses " cure " a disorder of the blood vessels?

> >

> > 2. When the weather is cold, I seem to become colder than

> > most people around me. I shiver, and my face feels very cold.

> > When it is warm/ hot, and everyone is enjoying the weather, I

am

> > miserably hot, and my face becomes red and uncomfortable.

If

> > this is a hyper-active blood vessel problem, then maybe in

the

> > cold the vessels contract too much, and in the heat they

dilate

> > too much. Then would the theory of heat in the blood still

make

> > sense?

> >

> > 3. I've heard you mention people this has really helped. I sure

> > would like to hear from them. In the past 15 years, I've tried

> > acupuncture, herbs, homeopathy, diet change, meditation, qi

> > gong, imagery. Nothing has helped, except sorry to say,

> > antibiotics. I'm wondering when do you see benefits?

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Greetings Andrea

 

You mention you have had no results from the liver

cleanse. Can you describe if you have followed the

recommendations for this group closely? How many liver

cleanses have you done so far? Did you do the all

important pre and post cleanses with the liver

cleanse? Have you been eating the diet recommended

during the healing process? Have you been walking to

circulate energy? Any comments appreciated.

 

Most kindly

 

OneLove

 

akenoff <akenoff wrote:

> I had to respond to your comments because they were

> so similar to

> things I have asked, having done liver cleanse,

> homeopathy, etc. with

> no results, that I thought maybe I had written the

> question. I want

> to believe that Eastern medicine makes sense with

> rosacea, but it

> does not seem to work and the bottom line with this

> condition is to

> get it under control and move on with your life! I

> have just done my

> 3rd photo facial and I feel and look better than I

> have in a while. I

> haven't even been on the internet looking for any

> more rosacea

> answers--whereas I used to be on constantly.

> Tonight, I wanted to

> ask people how they continue to exercise without

> flushing. I'm

> scared to undo the results I have achieved, but

> desperately miss

> working up a sweat. And I don't want to have my

> sympathetic nerves

> removed as Dr. Nase did. Any suggestions? I really

> appreciate

> any....Also, anyone try swimming or is the chlorine

> too harsh for the

> face? I thought this could be a solution because it

> keeps you cool.

>

> , " shivatron "

> <shivatron>

> wrote:

> > Greetings

> >

> > You are welcome. The doctor you mention which I

> assume is Dr.

> Geoffrey

> > Nase is using

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Hi MB

 

Great to hear you are feeling better. I admire your

positive attitude and persistence!

 

OneLove

 

 

--- mightybubbles2002 <mands wrote:

> --Hi, I'm the one who wrote the comments that you

> say were so

> similar to your own. It sounds like we have both

> tried many

> different modalities to try to cure the rosacea, to

> no avail. I have to

> say, though, that I have tried liver cleanses in the

> past but not to

> the extent that is offered on this site i.e.,

> anti-pita diet, monthly

> liver cleanses, colonics, lifestyle changes. My

> previous cleanses

> even included Coke with the olive oil mixture, and

> no colonics.

> Tastier, but nothing changed.

>

> I understand the importance of getting the rosacea

> under control,

> because I didn't due to doctors misdiagnosis. So I

> went 13 years

> without knowing what was wrong with me and doing all

> the

> wrong things. (exercising harder and harder, steam

> baths, etc.,

> thinking these are the normal things that help you

> become

> stronger) But if you look at my response #95 you

> will see that

> with all the things I've tried in the past, with not

> one response

> from my body, this, so far, has helped with other

> problems that

> have plagued me as long as the rosacea. So I'm going

> to keep it

> up. But as someone who has gone through the stages

> of

> rosacea, into severe, I also keep my eyes open to

> the western

> medicine side if things begin to turn sour.

>

> RIght now energy wise I feel the best i have in 15

> years. So

> although this hasn't done a thing for the rosacea

> yet, I'm still

> optimistic. But I would like to hear more reports of

> success from

> those who have lived with rosacea for a long time.

> I'm leary of

> reports of success from those who have had it less

> than a

> couple of years, even 5 years. not because I don;t

> believe, but

> because I've seen how this disease works, and it can

> be sneaky.

>

> ALso you'll see in my repsonse 95 that my negative

> problems

> have been heartburn and sickness since starting the

> cleanses.

> I'm happy to say that the heartburn is gone. Just

> stopped. And I'm

> not sick right now, but I'll have to wait and see if

> it's a trend from

> the cleanses.

>

> MB

>

> - In , " akenoff "

> <akenoff@a...> wrote:

> > I had to respond

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