Guest guest Posted August 22, 2001 Report Share Posted August 22, 2001 Group: Can anyone think of a reason why a patient with cardiomyopathy would be refused treatment outright based on this diagnosis. A woman came into my office yesterday and was interested in getting acupuncture for her obesity. She knows it can reduce the cravings and reduce anxiety. Another TCM doctor who is trained both in western and chinese medicine (according to her) refused her treatment due to her cardiomyopathy. I have looked on a number a web sites whoich discuss research in this area and I have yet to discover a reason why it would be contraindicated. What about herbs? Kelly David Welch L.Ac. 1800 Eye St. suite 503-A Washington DC 20006 202-783-9404 _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 OK. I'll play devil's advocate. Well, if the student or supervisor tries another method, knowing that it would be less effective, then this is bad judgement. (unethethical/illegal?). If the supervisor is comfortable and knowledgable with another method then perhaps this is OK if they think it woud be -equally- effective. As a TCM supervisor I see this problem. Other modalities than TCM seem more attractive. By the fourth year, what I do may start to bore the students and the students are more attracted to the esoteric. I feel they want to " experiment " whereas another supervisor might be better able to lead them through their own modality. I tell the students they have the rest of their lives (once they get a license) to use their intuitution but they should learn what I can show them now. Of course, in my view, most non-TCM students don't understand TCM (are any of us " masters? " ) and that's why they find it boring. The depth (the esoteric?) is not explained beyond over the mechanics and memorization. They ask not to do TCM but an " 8 extra treatment " as if it were different. A related point: I sometimes treat some patients myself in the rooms when it is appropriate, especially in " acupuncture cases " that I feel the students wouldn't do as well. The students seem (surprisingly) to like it. Many have never seen someone treat and the patients like it also. I find this re-energizes the student. They see that an acupuncture treatment is more than writing the points on an intake form, finding the point and putting needles in. They also see that when I treat I don't have a mechanical method but am always looking at the patient, and " feeling their Qi " or whatever it is that I do that seems to work. > > > Here's an ethics question for y'all. Assume you have developed a > successful treatment plan for your patient that has demonstrated > progressive improvement and has alleviated all major symptoms. Is it OK > to then change the treatment plan for the sole purpose of conducting an > experiment to see if an alternate plan would be equally effective. This > came up in the school clinic when students insisted that their need to > learn a variety of treatment methods was of utmost importance, even if > it disrupted the patient's care. Any thoughts? > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Jagannath / Jane What is Ram Setu and long winding contorted article on Pratibha Patil doing on Alt Health? Recently you also posted something on Taj. For these topics there are different d-lists. Alt Health is NOT meant for unconnected political discussion. I can understand if Sonia Gandhi were to ask Alt Treatment for Chikungunya from her political buddy A.B.Vajpayee via Alt Health. Or some one asking whether the cockroach pickle can be exchanged for India's Alphonso mangoes as a Hindi-Chini Diplomacy policy !!! But what is this nonsense on Ram Setu, Presidential elections? Eventhough I am in the race for Presidential elections, as an Independent, without the support of Pope or George Bush Jr. or Tony Blair, I have NOT indulged in propaganda here. So, the moderators please sit up and control wild horses destroying the fields of medicinal plants on Alt Health!!! Dr. Leo Rebello - Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:04 AM [HealthyIndia] Digest Number 685 Messages In This Digest (14 Messages) 1. Congeress developed Shekhawat’s clone: Pope Sermon echo on Presi Premendra Agrawal 2a. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Sandhirs 2b. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Sunil Bhattacharjya 2c. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Sunil Bhattacharjya 2d. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Sandhirs 3. Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 15 2007 Jane MacRoss 4. Autism-Vaccine Court Case: Get the day to day details here. Jagannath Chatterjee 5. US based senior Pediatrician, member of AAP, on Autism. Jagannath Chatterjee 6. Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 16 2007 Jane MacRoss 7. Heightened awareness was Re: [HealthyIndia] Use of psychiatric drugs Jane MacRoss 8a. How a disease is created or marketed karthik ramanathan 8b. Re: How a disease is created or marketed karthik ramanathan 9. The ghost of ‘The Best Man’ (1964 USA film) for Rashtrapati Premendra Agrawal 10.1. sriramakrishna daily sutras sriramakrishnasutras View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. Congeress developed Shekhawat’s clone: Pope Sermon echo on Presi Posted by: "Premendra Agrawal" comindia2006 comindia2006 Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:54 am (PST) Note:(1) Petition will be sent with the signature of Former External Mininster and present the leader of opposition in Rajya Sabha Shri Jaswant Singh. It will be sent to more than 100 organization of the world and thousands individuals.Please go at: http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/ramsethu.htmSee the petition to save Ram Sethu and sign on it. Your email id will not be disclosed.We should be Hanuman for Rame Cause.Article:If you are unemployed then establish a political mask mfg unit. Good scope for it. Casteism is working in Presidential election. Pratibha Patil is in the mask of Shekhavat not to defeat the real Shekhavat but to deceive the legislators and MPs who are eligible to vote. Congress wants Pope Sermon echo on Rashtrapati Bhawan also. Clone production and Christrianization in India is speedly going on. Why Sonia adopted ‘Gandhi’ surname and Pratibha kept ‘Patil’Ms.Praibha Patil, who is enjoying her candidature of UPA for President Post, has a Rajasthani connection as her husband Devisingh Ramsingh Shekhawat's ancestors had migrated to Jalgaon area in Maharashtra a few generations back from the Shekhawati region here. She becomes congress candidate due to this to deceive the legislators and MPs that she is Shekhavat and Patil both. She won the faith of Sonia Gandhi to fullfill the wishes of Pope by returning the passed bill of Rajasthan related to the law against forefull conversion. Congress and foreign funded media want conversion in India. They are jehadis against tolerant Hindus. This is the time Hindus should think why again they want to be slave of foreigners, foreign born leaders, foreign coulture and foreign religion? Are these secularism and Progressiveness? Why should they not want to be out from the grip of that conspiracy? Fools making political machineCongress with other fake seculars run fools making political machine. This is more dangerous than the fake currency and fake stamp making crimes. Antonia Maino became Sonia Gandhi by adopting Gandhi surname and not adopting her husband Rajiv Gandhi’s religion if it was Hindu religion. People think that she is Hindu and belong to Mahatma Gandhi’s family. This is formula to make fool people politically. Pratibha remained ‘Patil’ but Sonia became ‘Gandhi’Pratibha Patil is not behind her. Pratibha Patil wanted to make his presence in the Maratha politics of Maharashtra, so she did not loose her surname Patil. Before this if any viewers knew her Shekhavat identity then please send comment to me. Why did she not adopt her husband’s surname as did by Sonia Gandhi? Congress leaders make fool to the public in so many innovative ways. There are so many underground factories, which are manufactruring ‘rang rangile’ colorful masks to deceive the people. Actually this is a crime in democracy, which is being played by them with the partnership of fake secular media. Congres wants Pope’s follower Rashtrapati not only woman President All TV channels are barking that first woman will be the President. Though, she does not fill up the form of her candidature. This is sound of Christian Cross marked coins instead of true journalism. If Congress is so loyal to women then why does its Government not keep the women’s reservation bill on the table of the parliament? Congress with their allies and leftists is hurry for the caste and religion based quota as even Supreme Court has asked the reason for this. Vatican to 1o janpath to Mount to Rashtrapati BhawanA religious issue exercising Pope Benedict XVI and Rajasthan governor Pratibha Patil has linked the Vatican and Mount Abu. Now it will be connected with Rastrapati Bhawan also. Under an international conspiracy India is pusehed in the death well of Christianity. International Christian organizations are funding to the media and political parties here freely as we see in the Internet. Hindu organizations should make a fact-sheet of daily reporting of Electronic Channels and print media. That, fact sheet should be known to the public. Every Indian should be an organization to fight democratically Indianless elements. We have to fight war against christization also besides other wars, which we are facing.Is India needed popes I, II, II, IV etc. as Mandal I and Mandal II After Mandal, VP Singh became Mandal I and there after now Arjun Singh has become the Mandal II. The bloody game as cock fight, bull fight and dog fight of Mandalization has been played to evoke Gujjars in Rajasthan by Sachin Piolot Gujjar Congress MP of Dausa Raj and former CM of Rajasthan Gahlot. Accepted fourmula between Gujjars and Meenas of Raj gave a heavy slap on the cheek of Congress. Congress oves President RuleThe sound of this cheek made dumb to the Union Home Minister Shriprakash Jaiswal and the conrnered Gujjar leaders of Rajasthan. Jaiswal opposed the accepted formula. He wanted civil war being a State Home Minister with the help of Piolot and other cornered Gujjar leaders. Intention of Congress was to impose the President Rule in Rajasthan. Congress played this bloody dirty game to make electoral partnership with Dera Chief. Intention was to impose President Rule.Rajasthan and Punjab are those provinces who foght against the invaders. Since ancient time all attacks on India occurred through these provinces. Rajasthani and Sikh communities are not only brave but also religious. So Pope of Vatican and and his invisible Indian popes want to finish their bravery and religious sentiments.Gandhi entered politics to make India a Christian countryIt is said that Sonia Gandhi entered in politics after getting the instruction from Italy where Pope is living. Congress made her its President to throw the eggs of electoral defeat on the Bhismpitamah of Congress Sitaram Kesari. This was done under an International Conspiracy, otherwise she was neither interested before nor few year after the death of Rajiv Gandhi.Pratibha Patil had made Governor of Rajasthan also to strengthen this conspiracy. While the Pope spoke out against attempts, including laws, to ban religious conversions in India, the governor, sitting in Rajasthan’s summer capital, returned to the state’s BJP government a bill that set out to do just this.Reacting to the papal sermon (?) which comes at a time when The Da Vinci Code has had to wait for Catholic priests’ permission for screening in India? Delhi quoted the Constitution.“It is acknowledged universally that India is a secular and democratic country in which adherents of all religious faiths enjoy equal rights. The Constitution (?) states that ‘all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right to freely profess, practise and propagate religion’,” the foreign ministry said.The spokesperson couldn’t be contacted to find out if India had sent a response to the Vatican.In uncharacteristically strong language, the Pope told India’s new ambassador to the Vatican, Amitava Tripathi, at that time that the efforts in some states to ban conversions should be rejected.“The disturbing signs of religious intolerance which have troubled some regions of the nation, including the reprehensible attempt to legislate clearly discriminatory restrictions on the fundamental right of religious freedom, must be firmly rejected,” the Pope said.According to the text released by the Vatican, he said anti-conversion laws were “unconstitutional (and) contrary to the highest ideals of India’s founding fathers”.Pratibha Patil had “discreetly” sent the Rajasthan Freedom of Religion Bill, 2005, back four days ago though the news was leaked only today, state government sources said. By returning the bill related to the law against forceful conversion Pratibha Patil showed that Pope is above of Indian Constitution for her.Conversions are banned in BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and Gujarat, and Congress-ruled Arunachal Pradesh. In Madhya Pradesh, the law was passed when Arjun Singh was chief minister in the Congress’s “soft Hindutva” days, when it opened the locks of the “disputed” structure in Ayodhya. Elected legislator and MPs will decide they want half Shekhawat or complied Shekhawat for presidentship. They will make fool to the bahurupiyas or will make themselves fools in the hands of congress.http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content & pa=showpage & pid=133 & page=2premendra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/05/follow-constitution-not-pope.htmTags: Congress Pratiba Patil Shehawat Clone President Candidate Pope Fake currency fake stamp Fake Secular Media Tolerant Fools making Political machine Rashtrapati Vatican Mandal Caste Religion based Quota Rajasthan Governor Christian Clinton; tag this By Premendra Agrawalwww.newsanalysisindia.com/Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2a. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Posted by: "Sandhirs" nimmiraj61 nimmiraj61 Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:55 am (PST) Gautama Budhha meditated under the tree without food and water. He did not eat fruits of any sort whatsoever. One does not get enlightened with drugs. True light comes from intense mental discipline. In no sphere of human activity, drugs help in enhancing performance. Witness the strict observance against narcotics or alcohol for pilots, fighting forces and athletes. Rajinder- Sunil Bhattacharjya Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:16 PMRe: [HealthyIndia] Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences.Interesting.In the book ""Romeo error" the famous author Lyall Watson says that Lord Buddha took the Serotonin-rich fruits of the holy tree "Ficus Religiosa", under which he was meditating for forty days continuously, before he could attain enlightenment, and the Serotonin in the fruit could have helped him in his quest for the Truth. Of course Mr. Watson did not say how much of the fruit the Lord might have taken daily.Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 > wrote:Ann Blake Tracy, Ph.D.,Increases in serotonin, exactly what we have been told is the therapeuticbenefit of these antidepressants, produces pedophilia!!! And these drugs arenot the only culprit - we have other things inundating our society such as thenon-stop consumption of sugar and NutraSweet, not to mention the flouridetablets that are being given to small children - all of these substances causesincreases in serotonin. And then we wonder why they now have treatmentfacilities for children as young as FIVE?!!!Let me include for you here my most recent presentation before the FDA theend of this last year encouraging them to look at this very issue beingtriggered by antidepressants. When you couple my testimony with these statsjust inbelow in the article it makes the correlation quite clear.Ann Blake Tracy, Ph.D.,Executive Director, International Coalition For Drug AwarenessWebsite: _www.drugawareness.Websit_http://www.drugawarhttp://www_(http://www.drugawareness.org/) )Author: Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? - Our Serotonin Nightmare & CD or audio tape on safe withdrawal: "Help! I Can't GetOff My Antidepressant!OffOrder Number: 800-280-0730Dr. Ann Blake Tracy's December 13, 2006 to the FDAAnn Blake-Tracy, PhD, head of the International Coalition for DrugAwareness, author of Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? & Our Serotonin Nightmare. For15 years I have testified in court cases involving antidepressants. The last 17years of my life have been devoted to researching, writing, and lecturing aboutthese drugs.Two of my nieces in their early 20's, a decade apart, attempted suicide onantidepressants, the first on Prozac, the second just a month ago onWellbutrin.Due to time constraints I refer you to my September, 2004 testimony on thedamaging effects of inhibiting serotonin metabolism - the very mode of actionof antidepressants. Impairing serotonin metabolism results in a multitude ofsymptoms including suicide, violent crime, mania and psychosis. Suicidalideation is, without question, associated with these drugs.Rosie Meysenburg, Sara Bostock and I have collected and posted 1200 newsarticles documenting many exaggerated acts of violence against self or othersat_www.drugawareness.org_ (http://www.drugawareness.org/) with a direct linkto _www.ssristories.com_ (http://www.ssristories.com/)Beyond suicidal ideation we have mania/bipolar increasing dramatically.Antidepressants have always been known to trigger both.According to the Pharmaceutical Business Review in the last 11 years alone,the number of people in the U.S. with "bipolar" disorder has increased by 4.8million.Dr. Malcolm Bowers of Yale, found in the late 90's over 200,000 peopleyearly are hospitalized with antidepressant-induced manic psychosis. They alsopoint out that most go unrecognized as medication-induced, remain unhospitalized, and a threat to themselves and others.What types of threats from manias?Pyromania: A compulsion to start firesKleptomania: A compulsion to embezzle, shoplift, commit robberiesDipsomania: An uncontrollable urge to drink alcoholNymphomania and erotomania: Sexual compulsions - a pathologic preoccupationwith sexual fantasies or activitiesChild sex abuse has increased dramatically with even female teachers goingmanic on these drugs and seducing students. The head of the sex abusetreatment program for Utah estimated 80% of sex crime perpetrators were onantidepressants at the time of the crime. While Karl Von Kleist, an ex-LAPDofficer and leading polygraph expert estimated 90% - strong evidence of manic sexualcompulsions that demand attention.Diabetes has skyrocketed, has been linked to antidepressants, and bloodsugar imbalances have long been suspected as the cause of mania or bipolar.Anyone who has witnessed someone in insulin shock would see the strikingsimilarity to a violent reaction to an antidepressant.If there has been any increase in suicide since the black box warning it isdue to doctors not knowing how to get patients off these drugs safely.Clearly far too many lives are being destroyed in various ways by thesedrugs.TREATMENT FACILITIESThe rise in juvenile sex offenders has spawned hundreds of new treatmentfacilities for children as young as 5.In 2002, there were 937 programs in the U.S. treating adolescent offenders â?"generally ages 12-17 â?" up from 346 in 1986.Over the same period, the list of programs specifically aimed at childrenunder 12 grew from zero to 410, according to The Safer Society Foundation.Some psychologists blame the increase â?" 40 percent over two decades â?" on asociety saturated with sex and violence and the fact that many of the accusedwere themselves victims of adult sexual predators. Others say there are notmore children committing such crimes, there is simply more awareness, betterreporting and a general hysteria about sex offenders."I don't think it's appropriate to suggest we have whole schools full ofsexual predators ... but we're seeing more of it and more sexually aggressiveacts," said Scott Poland, past president of the National Association of SchoolPsychologists. "How do these kids even know about this? It's permeatedthroughout our society."Robert Prentky, a psychologist and nationally renowned expert on sexoffenders, thinks the statistics are misleading."There aren't more kids, there are more laws," he said. "We now have fairlydraconian laws with very harsh sanctions that apply to juveniles."The number of children under 18 accused of forcible rape, violent andnonviolent sex offenses has steadily risen, from 24,100 children in 1985 to33,800 in 2004, the AP's analysis found. Violent offenses include attempted rape andsexual assault, while nonviolent offenses including fondling, statutory rapeand prostitution.By comparison, between 1993 and 2004, rape and sexual assaults by adultsdecreased more than 56 percent. (Identical statistics were unavailable before1993)._http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=6069594_(http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=6069594)(http://www.iht.com/)AP Enterprise: Sex offenders getting younger, more violentThe Associated PressFriday, June 8, 2007(http://anad.tacoda.net/ads/sk13981a-map.cgi/SZ=120X600A/V=2.1S/BRC=54222/BCPG41\208.65304.74722/)STOCKTON, California: U.S. courts have seen the number of sex offense casesinvolving juvenile offenders rise dramatically in recent years, an AssociatedPress review of national statistics found, and treatment professionals saythe offenders are getting younger and the crimes more violent.Some psychologists blame the increase â?" 40 percent over two decades â?" on asociety saturated with sex and violence and the fact that many of the accusedwere themselves victims of adult sexual predators. Others say there are notmore children committing such crimes, there is simply more awareness, betterreporting and a general hysteria about sex offenders."I don't think it's appropriate to suggest we have whole schools full ofsexual predators ... but we're seeing more of it and more sexually aggressiveacts," said Scott Poland, past president of the National Association of SchoolPsychologists. "How do these kids even know about this? It's permeatedthroughout our society."Robert Prentky, a psychologist and nationally renowned expert on sexoffenders, thinks the statistics are misleading."There aren't more kids, there are more laws," he said. "We now have fairlydraconian laws with very harsh sanctions that apply to juveniles."The number of children under 18 accused of forcible rape, violent andnonviolent sex offenses has steadily risen, from 24,100 children in 1985 to33,800 in 2004, the AP's analysis found. Violent offenses include attempted rape andsexual assault, while nonviolent offenses including fondling, statutory rapeand prostitution.By comparison, between 1993 and 2004, rape and sexual assaults by adultsdecreased more than 56 percent. (Identical statistics were unavailable before1993).Studies show that one in two sex offenders began their sexually abusivebehavior as a juvenile.In reaching its findings, the AP analyzed state and federal crimestatistics, as well as independent research on juvenile sex offenders. The sources included the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics; theNational Center for Juvenile Justice, a nonprofit that specializes in statistical and policy research; and The Safer Society Foundation, Inc., a nonprofit thatworks to prevent sexual abuse.Sharon Araji, a psychologist who took one of the first broad looks at theproblem in her book, "Sexually Aggressive Children," thinks the number ofchild-on-child sex crimes is actually even higher than the statistics indicate.Only 28 percent of all violent sexual assaults are reported to police,according to a 1999 National Crime Victimization Survey. And cases of incestbetween siblings are widely thought to be underreported and may drive the numbers even higher, Araji says."The whole society is not yet up on this problem," Araji said. "These kids,on the extreme end, if nothing is done to catch them, they're going to becomeour adult offenders of tomorrow."A 2001 report by the U.S. Department of Justice said "the scope of theproblem may be underestimated because juvenile sex offenders who become knownto the system may represent only a small proportion of juveniles who havecommitted such offenses."The rise in juvenile sex offenders has spawned hundreds of new treatmentfacilities for children as young as 5.In 2002, there were 937 programs in the U.S. treating adolescent offenders â?"generally ages 12-17 â?" up from 346 in 1986.Over the same period, the list of programs specifically aimed at childrenunder 12 grew from zero to 410, according to The Safer Society Foundation.But Franklin Zimring, a juvenile justice expert at the University ofCalifornia, Berkeley, thinks many children are unnecessarily treated as sexoffenders. True pedophiles are extremely rare among young people, he says."As long as the public temperature is up, you're going to get more referralsfrom the courts for treatment," he said. "If you don't want to lock a kidup, treatment is a politically safe outcome."Many experts agree that some amount of sexual exploration by young people ishealthy, but incidents cross the line when force and violence are involved,they say.Recent incidents range from two 13-year-old boys in Nebraska who wereaccused in January of videotaping their assault of two 5-year-old girls and a3-year-old boy, to the 8-year-old New York state boy accused of assaulting a6-year-old boy after he saw a prison rape scene in an R-rated movie.In Alaska, lawyer Dennis Maloney calls it an epidemic.His state has one of nation's highest per capita rates of youth sexoffenders in treatment, as well as one of the highest rates of treatment programs per capita. Others in the top seven include Hawaii, Idaho, Minnesota, Montana,New Hampshire and Vermont, according to the Safer Society Foundation.Maloney represents the family of a 6-year-old boy raped by a fellowkindergartner. In an interview with a police officer, the boy revealed that aclassmate attacked him in the bathroom and raped the boy."He said, 'Please, I'll be your best friend,'" the alleged victim said,according to a transcript of the interview.The victim's parents sued the other boy's family and the Anchorage SchoolDistrict."It shocked me that this was going on," Maloney said. "I had no idea."Experts say certain trends emerge among the children charged with sex crimesagainst other children.Many (estimates range from 40 percent to 80 percent) were molestedthemselves. And 42 percent have been exposed to hardcore pornography, theOffice ofJuvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, an arm of the U.S. Department ofJustice, said in a 2001 report.Psychologists prefer to refer to juveniles charged with sex crimes as"sexually aggressive children," rather than as sex offenders.In her research, Araji found children as young as 3 can be sexuallyaggressive, but the most common age of onset is between 6 and 9.Psychologist Heather Bowlds, who runs a sex offender treatment programwithin California's Department of Juvenile Justice, says sexually aggressivechildren often have a skewed sense of sexuality in which force or violencebecomesnormal."Some kids see it as how you show affection, how you get your needs met,"she said. "If you're a kid watching your father rape your mother ... if I feellike I want it, I can get it, no matter whatUS: 1 in 150 children has AutismUS: 1 in 6 children suffers a developmental disorderNew Jersey: 1 in 94 has Autism UK: 1 in 86 has Autism China : Over 20 lakh autistic children, India : No authentic figures, expected one crore+ (1 in 250)AUTISM IS NOTHING BUT MERCURY POISONING.THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES!!-------------------------Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.Play Sims Stories at Games. ------------------------- oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 2b. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Posted by: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:02 am (PST) Drug is definitely out. However fruit fasting is common in India from ancient times and may be if one does not take anything else other than the serotonin-rich fruits then the effect of the naturally obtained serotonin may be helpful. It is said that even prophet Muhammad took only dates and barley bread and this implies that probably he did not take any meat and other such heavy food-items. it is said that date too has serotonin.Coming to Lord Buddha's fasting it has been reported that there was a lady who brought some 'paayasam', which is a rice and milk preparation, to the Lord, who was famished. Lord Buddha was against torturing the body.Sandhirs <nimmiraj61 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Gautama Budhha meditated under the tree without food and water. He did not eat fruits of any sort whatsoever. One does not get enlightened with drugs. True light comes from intense mental discipline. In no sphere of human activity, drugs help in enhancing performance. Witness the strict observance against narcotics or alcohol for pilots, fighting forces and athletes. Rajinder Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 2c. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Posted by: "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:06 am (PST) Further to the last mail on this topic I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that Patanjali's Yoga Sutra (4.1) does mention about the role of drugs to develop Psychic powers. But these were probably used by the advanced yogis or by disciples, under expert supervision of their gurus and that too within the permissible limits and restricted to the permissible types of the natural products. For ordinary people no such drug has ever been permitted in the past.Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > wrote: Drug is definitely out. However fruit fasting is common in India from ancient times and may be if one does not take anything else other than the serotonin-rich fruits then the effect of the naturally obtained serotonin may be helpful. It is said that even prophet Muhammad took only dates and barley bread and this implies that probably he did not take any meat and other such heavy food-items. it is said that date too has serotonin.Coming to Lord Buddha's fasting it has been reported that there was a lady who brought some 'paayasam', which is a rice and milk preparation, to the Lord, who was famished. Lord Buddha was against torturing the body.Sandhirs <nimmiraj61 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Gautama Budhha meditated under the tree without food and water. He did not eat fruits of any sort whatsoever. One does not get enlightened with drugs. True light comes from intense mental discipline. In no sphere of human activity, drugs help in enhancing performance. Witness the strict observance against narcotics or alcohol for pilots, fighting forces and athletes. RajinderGot a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 2d. Re: Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences. Posted by: "Sandhirs" nimmiraj61 nimmiraj61 Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:07 am (PST) Hi Sunil!A fast means without water and fruits. The latest popular exponent of fasting was Gandhiji. He did not even take water. His last fast to give Rs 55 (present value Rs 55,000 crore) crore to Pakistan was broken after 20 or 21 days without water or fruits when Sardar Patel broke down and agreed to give the money to Pakistan. Those who observe Roza do not even drink water. Muhammad was a nomad in a land where dates and camel's milk/meat was the staple diet. The same land before Mohamed produced assassins through use of narcotics and the assurance of 75 virgins hereafter after martyrdom during Jihad. Jet age fasters resort to fruit fasting during Navratris. They are supposedly on fast eating and drinking the choicest delicacies. Only they do not take cereals, meat, fish, eggs or alcoholic drinks during the so called period of fasting. Holy men observe a real fast. Guatama Budha perhaps took "paayasam" from the lady to break his fast. Gautama Budhha was a seeker of truth and propounded Budhism only after realising enlightenment the classical Indian way by going into meditation for a prolonged period of time under the Bodha tree. The intense concentration resorted to by holy persons is broken if they start eating fruits. I am sure that most of us are aware of the story of Menaka who was sent by the Gods to break the concentration of the Rishi observing meditation. A fruit fasting Rishi does not require a Menaka to break his concentration. His concentration or Tapasaya is already broken in the act of eating. Yes, some so called Sadhus take Ganja but they are not holy persons. They are simply hippies of India who have run away from their responsibilities. Sadhus live in their ashrams and do not mingle with the populace.Rajinder- Sunil Bhattacharjya Friday, June 15, 2007 9:19 AMRe: [HealthyIndia] Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences.Drug is definitely out. However fruit fasting is common in India from ancient times and may be if one does not take anything else other than the serotonin-rich fruits then the effect of the naturally obtained serotonin may be helpful. It is said that even prophet Muhammad took only dates and barley bread and this implies that probably he did not take any meat and other such heavy food-items. it is said that date too has serotonin.Coming to Lord Buddha's fasting it has been reported that there was a lady who brought some 'paayasam', which is a rice and milk preparation, to the Lord, who was famished. Lord Buddha was against torturing the body.. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (6) 3. Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 15 2007 Posted by: "Jane MacRoss" highfield1 janemacross Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:55 am (PST) Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 15 2007June 15The teachings of all the great mystical paths of the world make it clear that there is within us an enormous reservoir of power, the power of wisdom and compassion, the power of what Christ called the Kingdom of Heaven. If we learn how to use it-and this is the goal of the search for enlightenment-it can transform not only ourselves but the world around us. Has there ever been a time when the clear use of this sacred power was more essential or more urgent? Has there ever been a time when it was more vital to understand the nature of this pure power and how to channel it and how to use it for the sake of the world?Home Subscribe to the Glimpse of the Day Un from Glimpse of the Day Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 4. Autism-Vaccine Court Case: Get the day to day details here. Posted by: "Jagannath Chatterjee" jagchat01 jagchat01 Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:55 am (PST) http://achampblog.org/US: 1 in 150 children has AutismUS: 1 in 6 children suffers a developmental disorderNew Jersey: 1 in 94 has Autism UK: 1 in 86 has Autism China : Over 20 lakh autistic children, India : No authentic figures, expected one crore+ (1 in 250)AUTISM IS NOTHING BUT MERCURY POISONING.THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES!!Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 5. US based senior Pediatrician, member of AAP, on Autism. Posted by: "Jagannath Chatterjee" jagchat01 jagchat01 Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:55 am (PST) http://www.westonap rice.org/ children/ autism.html(Courtesy Sheri Nakken)Autism and Vaccinations By Mary Megson, MDI have practiced pediatrics for twenty-two years, the last fifteen years seeing only children with developmental disabilities, which include learning disabilities, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, cerebral palsy, mental retardation and autism.In 1978, I learned as a resident at Boston Floating Hospital that the incidence of autism was one in 10,000 children. Over the last ten years I have watched the incidence of autism skyrocket to 1/300-1/600 children.Over the last nine months, I have treated over 1,200 children in my office. Ninety percent of these children are autistic and from the Richmond area alone. Yet the State Department of Education reports that there are only 1,522 autistic students in the entire state of Virginia.MHMR (Mental Health Mental Retardation) agencies have created local infant intervention programs, and they have had a hard time keeping up with the numbers of delayed infants and toddlers. I have served as advisor to the City of Richmond and the surrounding counties as they have established entire programs for autistic children that fill multiple classes in several schools in each district. The segment of children with "regressive autism," the form where children develop normally for a period of time then lose skills and sink into autism, most commonly at 18-24 months of age, is increasing at a phenomenal rate. I am seeing several children in the same family affected, including in the last week four cases of "autistic regression" developing in four-year-old children after their MMR and DPT vaccination. In the past, this was unheard of.In the vast majority of these cases, one parent reports night blindness or other rarer disorders which are caused by a genetic defect in a G protein, where they join cell membrane receptors, which are activated by retinoids, neurotransmitters, hormones, secretin and other protein messengers. G proteins are cellular proteins that upgrade or downgrade signals in sensory organs that regulate touch, taste, smell, hearing and vision. They are found all over the body, in high concentration in the gut and the brain. They turn on or off multiple metabolic pathways including those for glucose, lipid and protein metabolism as well as cell growth and survival. Close to the age of "autistic regression," we add pertussis toxin, which completely disrupts G alpha signals. The opposite G proteins are turned on without inhibition leading to the following:Glycogen breakdown or gluconeogenesis. Many of these children have elevated blood sugars. There is a 68 percent incidence of diabetes in parents and grandparents of these children. Lipid breakdown which increases blood fats that lead to hyperlipidemia. One-third of families has either a parent or grandparent who died from myocardial infarction at less than 55 years of age and was diagnosed with hyperlipidemia. Cell growth differentiation and survival which leads to uncontrolled cell growth. There are 62 cases of malignancies associated with ras-oncogene [a cancer gene] in 60 families of these autistic children. The measles antibody cross reacts with intermediate filaments which are the glue that hold cells together in the gut wall. The loss of cell-to-cell connection interrupts aproptosis or the ability of neighboring cells to kill off abnormal cells. The MMR vaccine at 15 months precedes the DPT at 18 months, which turns on uncontrolled cell growth differentiation and survival.Most families report cancer in the parents or grandparents, the most common being colon cancer. The genetic defect, found in 30-50 percent of adult cancers, is a cancer gene (ras-oncogene) . It is the same defect as that for congenital stationary night blindness. G-protein defects cause severe loss of rod function in most autistic children. They lose night vision, and light-to-dark shading on objects in the daylight. They sink into a "magic eye puzzle," seeing only color and shape in all of their visual field, except for a "box" in the middle, the only place where they get the impression of the three dimensional nature of objects. Only when they look at television or a computer do they predictably hear the right language for what they see. They try to make sense of the world around them by lining up toys, sorting by color. They have to "see" objects by adding boxes together, thus "thinking in pictures." Their avoidance of eye contact is an attempt to get light to land off center in the retina where they have some rod function. Suddenly mother?s touch feels like sand-paper on their skin. Common sounds become like nails scraped on a blackboard. We think they cannot abstract, but we are sinking these children into an abstract painting at 18 months of age and they are left trying to figure out if the language they are hearing is connected to what they are looking at.The defect for congenital stationary night blindness on the short arm of the X chromosome affects cell membrane calcium channels which, if not functioning, block NMDA/glutamate receptors in the hippocampus where pathways connect the left and right brain with the frontal lobe. Margaret Bauman has described a lack of cell growth and differentiation in the hippocampus seen on autopsy in autistic children. The frontal lobe is the seat of attention, inhibition of impulse, social judgment and all executive function.When stimulated, these NMDA receptors through G proteins stimulate nuclear vitamin A receptors discovered by Ron Evans and his colleagues in December, 1998. When blocked, in the animal model, mice are unable to learn and remember changes in their environment. They act as if they have significant visual perceptual problems and have spatial learning deficits.Of concern is the fact that the hepatitis B virus protein sequence was originally isolated in the gene for a similar retinoid receptor (RAR beta), which is the critical receptor important for brain plasticity and retinoid signaling in the hippocampus. After the mercury is removed, I understand we will restart hepatitis B vaccine at day one of life. Studies need to be done to determine if this plays an additive role in the marked increase in autism.I am using natural lipid soluble concentrated cis form of vitamin A in cod liver oil to bypass blocked G protein pathways and turn on these central retinoid receptors. In a few days, most of these children regain eye contact and some say their "box" of clear vision grows. After two months on vitamin-A treatment some of these children, when given a single dose of bethanechol [a drug related to acetlycholene, a substance that transmits nerve impulses] to stimulate pathways in the parasympathetic system in the gut, focus, laugh, concentrate, show a sense of humor and talk after 30 minutes, as if reconnected. This improves cognition, but they are still physically ill. When these children get the MMR vaccine, their vitamin A stores are depleted and they cannot compensate for blocked pathways. Lack of vitamin A, which has been called "the anti-infective agent," leaves them immunosuppressed. They lack cell-mediated immunity. T cell activation, important for long term immune memory, requires 14-hydroxy retro-retinol. On cod liver oil, the only natural source of this natural substance, the children get well. The parasympathetic nervous system is blocked by the second G protein defect.These children are unable to relax, focus and digest their food. Instead, they are in sympathetic overdrive with a constant outpouring of adrenaline and stress hormones. They are anxious, pace, have dilated pupils, high blood pressure and rapid heart rate. These and other symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are part of this constant "fight or flight" response. These symptoms improve on bethanechol.I live in a small middle class neighborhood with twenty-three houses. I recently counted thirty children who live in this community who are on medication for ADHD. One week ago my oldest son, who is gifted but dyslexic, had twelve neighborhood friends over for dinner. As I looked around the table, all of these children but one had dilated pupils. After two-and-one- half months of taking vitamin A and D in cod liver oil, my son announced, "I can read now! The letters don?t jump around on the page anymore!" He is able to focus and his handwriting has improved dramatically. In his high school for college-bound dyslexic students, 68 of 70 teenagers report seeing headlights with starbursts, a symptom of congenital stationary nightblindness.I think we are staring a disaster in the face that has affected thousands of Americans. The children with autism or dyslexia/ADHD are lucky. There are many other children not identified, just disconnected.We must direct all of our resources and efforts to establish multi-disciplinary centers to treat these children. Insurance companies should pay for evaluations, both medical and psychiatric, and treatment. These children are physically ill, immunosuppressed with a chronic autoimmune disorder affecting multiple organ systems. Funding to look at etiology of autism, to identify children at risk prior to "autistic regression," and to prevent this disorder is imperative.Implementing vaccine policies that are safe for all children should become our first priority.Mothers from all over the country have brought pictures of their autistic children to Washington this weekend. Most of these children were born normal and were lost to "autistic regression." Look into their eyes and you will hear their silence.Editors note: In addition to cod liver oil, children with developmental disorders should be given a nutrient-dense diet that includes plenty of calcium and other minerals. Additional vitamin D may also be helpful. (See page 11.)About the AuthorDr. Mary Megson is a board-certified pediatrician, trained in child development, a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics and assistant professor of pediatrics at the Medical College of Virginia. This testimony was given April 6, 2000 at Senate hearings on autisim and vaccinations. Parts of this article are technical.For further information, see info@seasilverhealt h.comIf you enjoyed this article, you might also be interested in reading: Health Hazards of Mercury, By Eric Davis, DDSVitamin A Saga, by Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig, PhD US: 1 in 150 children has AutismUS: 1 in 6 children suffers a developmental disorderNew Jersey: 1 in 94 has Autism UK: 1 in 86 has Autism China : Over 20 lakh autistic children, India : No authentic figures, expected one crore+ (1 in 250)AUTISM IS NOTHING BUT MERCURY POISONING.THERE IS MERCURY IN VACCINES!!We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 6. Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 16 2007 Posted by: "Jane MacRoss" highfield1 janemacross Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:05 am (PST) Rigpa Glimpse of the Day for Jun 16 2007June 16Sometimes I tease people and ask: "What makes you so adamant that there's no life after death? What proof do you have? What if you found there was a life after this one, having died denying its existence?"Those of us who undertake a spiritual discipline-of meditation, for example-come to discover many things about our own minds that we did not know before. For as our minds open more and more to the extraordinary, vast, and hitherto unsuspected existence of the nature of mind, we begin to glimpse a completely different dimension, one in which all of our assumptions about our identity and reality, which we thought we knew so well, start to dissolve, and in which the possibility of lives other than this one becomes at least likely. We begin to understand that everything we are being told by the masters about life and death, and life after death, is real.Home Subscribe to the Glimpse of the Day Un from Glimpse of the Day Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 7. Heightened awareness was Re: [HealthyIndia] Use of psychiatric drugs Posted by: "Jane MacRoss" highfield1 janemacross Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:33 am (PST) Isn't there a long history of hallucinogenic plants used by the Masters to assist the developing student - mushrooms, seeds & many different plants offer heightened awareness when ingested - Carlos Casteneda writes extensively on this subject in his Don Juan series and surely Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert - later Ram Das - would never have followed such a spiritual direction had their eyes not been opened by their early experimentation with hallucinogens.In the 60's even in Australia hallucinogens were used by psychiatrists to help mental disorders - so there have been periods when such ingredients were available to the "common man" - even now there are mushrooms and seeds which are available to those who know how recognise them and how to prepare and use them..Jane- Sunil Bhattacharjya Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:24 AMRe: [HealthyIndia] Use of psychiatric drugs on children & the consequences.Further to the last mail on this topic I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that Patanjali's Yoga Sutra (4.1) does mention about the role of drugs to develop Psychic powers. But these were probably used by the advanced yogis or by disciples, under expert supervision of their gurus and that too within the permissible limits and restricted to the permissible types of the natural products. For ordinary people no such drug has ever been permitted in the past. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 8a. How a disease is created or marketed Posted by: "karthik ramanathan" karthik.ramanathan ra_karthik Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:18 am (PST) A good article about the state of affairs in the health "industry" ... talksabout how the drug and pharma industry and its influence/say on "disease"!!... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/sick1.htmlIf you can't read the long article go through the image file (also attachedwith the email) at:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/news/health/suddenlysick/sickflowchart.jpg.This summarizes the whole thing! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 8b. Re: How a disease is created or marketed Posted by: "karthik ramanathan" karthik.ramanathan ra_karthik Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:20 am (PST) These (graphs. tables, statistics) in the article makes for interestingread:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/health/suddenlysick/sickdefinitions26.htmlhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/health/suddenlysick/sickconflicts26.htmlhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/health/suddenlysick/sickcompanies26.htmlOn 6/16/07, karthik ramanathan <emailkarthik > wrote:>> A good article about the state of affairs in the health "industry" ...> talks about how the drug and pharma industry and its influence/say on> "disease" !!... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/sick1.html>> If you can't read the long article go through the image file (also> attached with the email) at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/news/health/suddenlysick/sickflowchart.jpg> . This summarizes the whole thing!>>>>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (2) 9. The ghost of ‘The Best Man’ (1964 USA film) for Rashtrapati Posted by: "Premendra Agrawal" comindia2006 comindia2006 Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:19 am (PST) Pranab and Shivraj both could not imagine the birth of an unknown woman in the fray, so they could not use ‘Khadau’. They lost the last chance to remind 10 Janpath about the ‘khadau’ of Ram, kept by Bharat on the throne. The entrance of "The Best Loyal" asks a question "Does the Best man always get to the Rashtrapati Bhawan?" Today it is obvious to most of us that the answer is "no," and that those who seek the presidency are not the best the nation has to offer. Now Presidential Election is in this month and the one common denominator between UPAandLeft and Indendent candidate is that both will be nominated because they are seen as candidates who could win. The Best Man is a 1964 film of USA This fil is based on the Broadway play of the same name, both of which are written by Gore Vidal. Starring Henry Fonda, Cliff Robertson, and Lee Tracy, it lays bare the seamy political maneuverings behind the nomination of a Presidential candidate. Tracy was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor.The film analyzes American politics not just from the standpoint of 1960/64 but from the Republic's 200 plus year history. The revelations presented in "The Best Man" are just as true in the year 2006 and will be rerun to some extent during the Presidential conventions in the summer of 2008 in America. In my view the ghost of this film may enter in the cinerio of current Presidential election of India.Surprisingly still relevant for today, the film delivers an insightful, biting look at the behind the scenes wrangling, wheeling and dealing, that must go on at a wide open political convention where no clear candidate is the right choice, or has sewn up the position in advanceDrama acted in Indian Vatican 10 JanpathThe whole drama acted in Indian Vatican 10 Janpath for the selection of the UPAandLeft candidate showed that in UPAandLeft actors are selected by directors, producers and financers in 10 Janpath in smoke filled back rooms. We have seen the humorous drama of Renounce of Sonia Gandhi in the same 10 janpath.Chappal of Pratibha is fit instead of boots Pranab Mukherjee was the first runner candidate named by Leftists for the President post to get the UPAandLeft nomination. He is the only leader of Congress who is still a challenge for the Communists Parties in the West Bengal. By proposing his name they wanted to be free from him. His Boots were fit in the legs of the leftists but not fit for the 10 janpath. He is loyal but not 100% loyalist and rubber stamp of Sonia Gandhi. His name is as suspicious leader in the diary of Sonia Gandhi. So, second runner Shivraj Patil, Gandhis’ most loyalist began to run on the play ground in the exchange of Pranb Mukherjee. Unfortunately his boots were also not fit in the legs of Leftists and without their help UPA can’t declare its candidate.Back-room dealsThis political drama of the exercise of selecting the presidential candidate as other posts by the Congress looks at the back-room deals that go into the making of a President as other important portfolios; special interests, percentage of loyalies towards Gandhis, fringe groups as of the past, the whole works.Blessings of Pope and 10 JanpathMedia reporting of daily shouting created humor as well as suspense. And just when any one thinks he’she knows who'll get the nod in the process of up and down this name and that name, the screw turns at the end which herself weak but blessings of Pope of Rome and 10 Janpath may give strength to her. “May the best man win?”“The Best elderman,” which obviously comes from the hollow people wish “May the bestelderman win means may the Bhairo Singh Shekhawat win,” takes place at a national stage at the time where where the ruling parties’ candidate was in doubt. The UPA of power grabbers with the red hands from Singrur to Bastar was not named till before June 14, but we all know that it is the Sonia Gandhi that already controls the UPAandLeft house. Now her partner media is belling with UPAandLeft “First woman for Presientship” “Shekhawat vs Shekhawat”; Shivsena wants to sing ‘Amchi Patil’ ‘Aapla manush’ and Mamta’s mamta may be pendulum as in the past. Mamta’s keeps one step in Congress and second step out of it. Character of Shivsena is ‘Maharashtra is India’ as for Congress Indira was India.Dr. APJ Kalam, out going President was perhaps silently interested in which of the many men Pranab, Shivraj, Shinde, karn Singh, Arjun Singh and so on beyond the Bhairo Singh Shikhawat running will follow him as President.Changing of mohras in the game of ShatranjNow there are two main contenders, one of them is Pratibha Patil. The second formidable independent candidate is Bhairo Sinngh Shekhawat. But what will be in future Drama of Indian maskers as ‘The Best ma (1964 USA film)This fortnight drama of Congress and its right and left hands is not new. Vigillant people see this (nautanki of bahurupiyas) drama of maskers not only from the independence day of August 15, 1947 but in the pre-indepencece days also. What happened with Subhash Chandra Bose? We are the people of a greatest democratic country of the world; So many feathers are in the crowns of our leaders. Acharya Kriplani who was a President of Congress at a time had been defeated in the parliament constituency of my district of Raipur by a unknown person Mr. Gupta. This is the one eample. The story of ‘The Best man’ filmThe story concerns the political back-biting and smear politics involved in a presidential election year scramble by potential presidential party nominees. Lee Tracy (in an Oscar-nominated performance and his final screen role) is Art Hockstader, a dying president who refuses to throw his support behind any of his party's presidential hopefuls. Hoping to get the nod as the party's presidential candidate is liberal do-gooder William Russell (Henry Fonda). His wife Alice (Margaret Leighton) wants to get a divorce from Russell but is delaying the divorce proceedings until after the party convention. Opposing Russell for the nomination is Joe Cantwell (Cliff Robertson), a slick and unscrupulous political monster who will use any bit of dirt to get ahead in the party. When he discovers that Russell once suffered from mental problems, he threatens to use it against him. William Russell (Henry Fonda) and Joe Cantwell (Cliff Robertson) are the two leading candidates for the Presidential nomination of an unspecified political party. Both have potentially fatal vulnerabilities. Russell is a principled intellectual (believed by many critics and fans to be based on Adlai Stevenson). A sexual indiscretion has alienated his wife Alice (Margaret Leighton). In addition, he has a past nervous breakdown to live down.Art Hockstader (Lee Tracy). The pragmatic Hockstader prefers Russell, but worries about his indecisiveness and overdedication to principle.One of Russell's aides digs up Sheldon Bascomb (Shelley Berman). He served in the military with Cantwell and is willing to expose his homosexuality.Hockstader and Russell's closest advisors press Russell to grab the opportunity, but he resists.As the first round of voting begins, he arranges to meet Cantwell privately, to let him know that he knows his rival's darkest secret. But though Cantwell doesn't understand what makes his opponent tick, he knows this much - Russell doesn't have the stomach for dirty tactics. In the end, Russell surprises Cantwell by throwing his support behind a third, relatively unknown candidate, ending both their chances.Shakespeare's quote..What's in a name? I mention here a comment of Mr.Charu related to my article titled Death of Ramchandra Gandhi and Gandhi dynasty: “ “Good thought sir! this one reminds me one of the famous shakespeare's quote..what's in a name? But UPAandLeft think every thing is in a name. Because of the name Presidentship of Conress and Chair of UPA gifted to Sonia Gandhi. Rahul is zero but he is with every quality only de to “Gandhi’ title. I know personalitie with surname Bahadur, Chakravarti, Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi, Dhurandhar but not a single in the competition of ‘Gandhi’. Gandhi is all rounder as we see in gandhigiri. http://www.ndtvblogs.com/user/myblogs.asp?gl_guid=614F110F-900C-4768-9C2D-660D9C3F5EC4 & ways=Y & ref=6/16/2007%202:01:35%20AMConclusionUltimate conclusion of this article is that stopping the wrong woman from becoming president is more important in making sure that the best man wins.In this presidential election stakes are high. Who can win without default? The Challenge of Independent candidate is big so UPAandLeft parties pull out all the stops to degrade the post of president also as PM post is devalued by cunning low smiled present PM.In this Prez election Bharo Singh Shekhawat is a great man (Not superwomen) who wants to play presidential fight straight. He refuses to stop to the dirty tricks and vilify that his opponent nominee of ruling parties is using.Tags: Ghost The Best Man 1964 USA film Rashtrapati bhawan UPAandLeft The best loyal Presidential election Gore Vidal America Vatican 10 janpath Back room deal Pope Amchi Aapla manush Shakespear What is in name Sonia Gadhi patil Bhairo Singh Shekhawat;tag thisBy Premendra Agrawalwww.newsanalysisindia.com/Note:(1) Petition will be sent with the signature of Former External Mininster and present the leader of opposition in Rajya Sabha Shri Jaswant Singh. It will be sent to more than 100 organization of the world and thousands individuals.Please go at: http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/ramsethu.htmSee the petition to save Ram Sethu and sign on it. Your email id will not be disclosed.We should be Hanuman for Rame Cause.Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 10.1. sriramakrishna daily sutras Posted by: "sriramakrishnasutras" sriramakrishnasutras sriramakrishnasutras Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:20 am (PST) Excerpted from the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna p.150Saturday 16/6/07The Master Said:"Therefore I say that in the light of VedAntic reasoningBrahman has no attributes. The real nature of Brahmancannot be described. But so long as your individualityis real, the world is also real, and equally real arethe different forms of God and the feeling that God is a Person."om tat sat~~~~~~ om shanthi om~~~~~~elly Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (210) Towards a Healthy & Prosperous India Recent Activity 1 New Members 1 New LinksVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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