Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

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Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

 

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1094491

 

Govt orders probe into Ramdev's medicine to deliver male children

PTI

Thursday, May 03, 2007 17:40 IST

 

DEHRADUN: The Uttarakhand government has begun an inquiry into

allegations that yoga guru Baba Ramdev's ayurvedic pharmacy was

producing a medicine that helps women deliver male children.

 

The inquiry follows a directive from the Centre to the state health

department to inquire into the factual position regarding the

medicine.

 

Uttarakhand Director General (Health) B C Pathak confirmed that

notices have been issued from the Centre in this regard.

 

" We have asked the Hardwar Chief Medical Officer to hold an inquiry

into the alleged medicine, " Dr pathak said.

 

A year ago, the the state government had absolved Baba Ramdev on

allegations by CPI(M) leader Brinda Karat that his Hardwar-based

Divya Yog pharmacy was producing medicines from human skulls and

animal parts.

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This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi.

On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala wrote:

 

 

 

 

Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

 

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1094491

 

Govt orders probe into Ramdev's medicine to deliver male children

PTI

Thursday, May 03, 2007 17:40 IST

 

DEHRADUN: The Uttarakhand government has begun an inquiry into

allegations that yoga guru Baba Ramdev's ayurvedic pharmacy was

producing a medicine that helps women deliver male children.

 

The inquiry follows a directive from the Centre to the state health

department to inquire into the factual position regarding the

medicine.

 

Uttarakhand Director General (Health) B C Pathak confirmed that

notices have been issued from the Centre in this regard.

 

" We have asked the Hardwar Chief Medical Officer to hold an inquiry

into the alleged medicine, " Dr pathak said.

 

A year ago, the the state government had absolved Baba Ramdev on

allegations by CPI(M) leader Brinda Karat that his Hardwar-based

Divya Yog pharmacy was producing medicines from human skulls and

animal parts.

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Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!!

 

Jane

 

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Dr N Bhashyam

Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM

Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi.

On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala wrote:

 

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It is not for winning CPM or UPA is interested.They are only testing through such intervention the public response to hate campaign against the Baba in particular and hindu symbols in general.

On 5/8/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!!

 

Jane

 

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Dr N Bhashyam

 

Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM

 

Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi.

On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala wrote:

 

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Yes.It is not proper to find fault with Baba. Even all the allopathic medicines do not suit everybody. Some people are even adversely affected by a medicine which can cure another person. Such allergies are well-known. Such being the case no absoluteness is possible in determining the efficacy of any medicine. Moreover in this age of democracy nobody can be compelled to take any medicine against one's will. All this hue and cry against Baba seems to be motivated by some sinister interests. To desire a male child by parents who already have female children may not look bad and there is no harm in trying medicines which may offer some hope. For example it is reported that taking Leeks improve the chances of a mother bearing a male child. If nobody takes objection to such reports why then raise objection to what Baba might have said, if at all he claimed so.SKBDr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam

wrote: It is not for winning CPM or UPA is interested.They are only testing through such intervention the public response to hate campaign against the Baba in particular and hindu symbols in general. On 5/8/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!! Jane - Dr N Bhashyam Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child. This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi. On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala (AT) blowpack (DOT) com> wrote:

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I am deeply sorry that Ramdevji should have succumbed to this kind of pressure and provided a medicine SAID to help women conceive a male child. And even sorrier that this forum has not condemned this basic inequity to glorify the male. Instead we are talking about communists and allergies and so on. Please can't we see that if mentally, socially, individually, we devalue the female, then technology will supply the means of murder? Ramdevji is wrong, but we are all fellow criminals. I expected more sensitivity and ethics from this forum. Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Yes.It is not proper to find fault with Baba. Even all the allopathic medicines do not suit everybody. Some people are even adversely affected by a medicine which can cure another person. Such allergies are well-known. Such being the case no absoluteness is possible in determining the efficacy of any medicine. Moreover in this age of democracy nobody can be compelled to take any medicine against one's will. All this hue and cry against Baba seems to be motivated by some sinister interests. To desire a male child by parents who already have female children may not look bad and there is no harm in trying medicines which may offer some hope. For example it is reported that taking Leeks improve the chances of a mother

bearing a male child. If nobody takes objection to such reports why then raise objection to what Baba might have said, if at all he claimed so.SKBDr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam > wrote: It is not for winning CPM or UPA is interested.They are only testing through such intervention the public response to hate campaign against the Baba in particular and hindu symbols in general. On 5/8/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!! Jane - Dr N Bhashyam Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child. This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi. On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala (AT) blowpack (DOT) com> wrote: Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos.

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You are right too. If the medicines are taken in the spirit of preference of a male child over a female child then it has to be condemned. We are not in favour of them. But one cannot say that all mothers would not like to have a male child. Therefore for those mothers who want to have a male child there is no harm if someone can be of help. We have to be clear that the decision should be left to the mothers than to the fathers. Probably with female literacy rising these days it will be up to the woman to exert their independent right in these matters. Women can no longer blame the men for their woes for ever.SKBPrabha Krishnan <prabha40249 wrote: I am deeply sorry that Ramdevji should have succumbed to this kind of pressure and provided a medicine SAID to help women conceive a male child. And even sorrier that this forum has not condemned this basic inequity to glorify the male. Instead we are talking about communists and allergies and so on. Please can't we see that if mentally, socially, individually, we devalue the female, then technology will supply the means of murder? Ramdevji is wrong, but we are all fellow criminals. I expected more sensitivity and ethics from this forum. Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > wrote: Yes.It is not proper to find fault with Baba. Even all the allopathic medicines do not suit everybody. Some people are even adversely affected by a medicine which can cure another person. Such allergies are well-known. Such being the case no absoluteness is possible in determining the efficacy of any medicine. Moreover in this age of democracy nobody can be compelled to take any medicine against one's will. All this hue and cry against Baba seems to be motivated by some sinister interests. To desire a male child by parents who already have female children may not look bad and there is no harm in trying medicines which may offer some hope. For example it is reported that taking Leeks improve the chances of a mother bearing a male child. If nobody takes objection to such reports why then raise objection to what Baba might have said, if at all he claimed

so.SKBDr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam > wrote: It is not for winning CPM or UPA is interested.They are only testing through such intervention the public response to hate campaign against the Baba in particular and hindu symbols in general. On 5/8/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!! Jane - Dr N Bhashyam Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child. This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi. On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala (AT) blowpack (DOT) com> wrote: Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

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This is a baseless allegation.It was denied by the ashram.The pressure is being kept up by CPM to gain political advantage.After modernising Nandigram they want to discipline hindu yogis. Thanks for branding us criminals.Then Shabuddinji and Babubhai Katara are possibly enlightened saints .On 5/11/07, Prabha Krishnan <

prabha40249 wrote:

 

 

 

 

I am deeply sorry that Ramdevji should have succumbed to this kind of pressure and provided a medicine SAID to help women conceive a male child. And even sorrier that this forum has not condemned this basic inequity to glorify the male.

Instead we are talking about communists and allergies and so on. Please can't we see that if mentally, socially, individually, we devalue the female, then technology will supply the means of murder?

Ramdevji is wrong, but we are all fellow criminals. I expected more sensitivity and ethics from this forum. Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya@

> wrote: Yes.It is not proper to find fault with Baba. Even all the allopathic medicines do not suit everybody. Some people are even adversely affected by a medicine which can cure another person. Such allergies are well-known. Such being the case no absoluteness is possible in determining the efficacy of any medicine. Moreover in this age of democracy nobody can be compelled to take any medicine against one's will. All this hue and cry against Baba seems to be motivated by some sinister interests. To desire a male child by parents who already have female children may not look bad and there is no harm in trying medicines which may offer some hope. For example it is reported that taking Leeks improve the chances of a mother

bearing a male child. If nobody takes objection to such reports why then raise objection to what Baba might have said, if at all he claimed so.SKBDr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam@

gmail.com> wrote: It is not for winning CPM or UPA is interested.They are only testing through such intervention the public response to hate campaign against the Baba in particular and hindu symbols in general.

On 5/8/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1

> wrote:

Especially as they wouldn't realise they don't stand a chance in winning!!

Jane

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Dr N Bhashyam

Sunday, May 06, 2007 6:39 PM Re: [HealthyIndia] Ramdev in hot water over medicine to create male child.

This again must be the handiwork of CPM and/or multinational soft drink monoliths. It is really strange to find the followers of communism and capitalism joining hands to fight a hindu yogi.

On 5/5/07, N. M. Havewala <havewala

> wrote:

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[Health is an all inclusive topic. Moreover medicine induced diseases are taking

the most lives worldwide. Vaccines are destroying the health of a child even

before he/she realises it. Disease is today a mixture of

inheritence/environmental pollutants/pesticide infested food/depleted food value

by way of modern agricultural methods/lack of moral and spiritual education and

devotion to material pleasures. Can we have good health if the entire situation

is not corrected? Maybe we cannot do much, but at least we can be aware. GM food

is as much a threat to health as is a wrong lifestyle. The desire to have a male

child and abhorring the girl child is itself a deep seated disease. A healthy

mind will not be attracted to such means. Killing ones own child? How can a

healthy person do that? - Moderator]

 

I completely agree with Ms. Prabha Krishnan

 

I would not be surprised to soon see articles favoring doctors using

Ultrasound to tell the sex of the baby and lead to death of female

fetus vs. using it for testing the health of the baby or possible

dangers to mother.

 

Any focus on a particular sex is absolutely wrong. tomorrow Ramdev may

decide to have " medicine " with a claim that one will have guarantee

not to have a female baby. Would that mean death of a female fetus?

 

Our Vedas have Mantras for conceiving a particular sex baby but not to

" kill " a baby. When will the society learn to accept female as

equivalent and far more productive (vs. a burden) to the society? Same

folks go gaga over Ms. Rai's marriage and pray to Goddesses but kill

female fetus! Where would we be w/o female? Isn't Shiva and Shakti

(Ying and Yang) is the God - one can not exist w/o the other?

 

Alternative medicine should be promoting alternative " medicine " for

healthy living and nothing else!

 

I also am somewhat surprised the amount of space that is devoted to

the Genetically Modified food, Govt actions on Agriculture and and

Anti Vaccine issues vs. focusing on alternative medicine. Seems like a

negative campaign against so called " modern " medicine (allopathy) vs.

promoting alternative medicine. May be members do not have much to

offer in the topics of true alternative medicine for healthy living

anymore.

 

Seeing the post on David Copperfield's tricks in this forum also seems

that the forum's intention is not truly the alternative medicine. I am

not saying that some humor is not needed. May be there should be a

protocol to put OT (off the topic) in the subject line to indicate

that the content of the mail is not in direct focus of the alternative

medicine title.

 

May be my focus on learning about alternative medicine from learned

members is misplaced in this forum or the forum has deviated from the

intention.

 

 

Jay Shah

 

, Prabha Krishnan

<prabha40249 wrote:

 

I am deeply sorry that Ramdevji should have succumbed to this kind of

pressure and provided a medicine SAID to help women conceive a male child.

 

And even sorrier that this forum has not condemned this basic inequity

to glorify the male.

 

Instead we are talking about communists and allergies and so on.

 

Please can't we see that if mentally, socially, individually, we

devalue the female, then technology will supply the means of murder?

 

Ramdevji is wrong, but we are all fellow criminals. I expected more

sensitivity and ethics from this forum.

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To all those who have participated in this thread, I would like to say son preference is a complex subject. I had done an analysis of the serials Ramayana and Mahabharata, and concluded that women percieve motherhood in terms of loss, since they are required to produce sons to fuel the patriarchal machine. See Economic and Political Weekly, 1992, In The Idiom of Loss, How can one define "productive"? Till the NSS 38th round, I think, there were no questions in the census that could bring out women's contribution to the economy! They were completely invisibilised. Even Marx was mystified by the primary accumulation of capital -- didn't realise that women's work provided this. In Usulampatti, in TN women were valued till a canal provided year round water. The women were withdrawn from the work force, labelled a burden, dowry was demanded, and

girl babies killed with nerium milk. Give the dog a bad name, and hang him. I am not clear about Dr. Bhasyam's comment. I include myself in all comments, and do not set myself as a saint. As for politicians they are all motivated by greed, greed, and greed. How do they compare with us? To favour one sex over another is violence in the mind. Do you know the one-child policy resulted in millions of girl babies were killed. In the 70s when renewable energy sources were emphasised, girl babies were tossed into bio-gas digesters! Do we realise the human mind is capable of infinite violence? Do we realise the Bush mango-tango project will mortgage our children's future for all time to come. GM foods have a direct bearing on our health. The moderator's comments capture the work of this forum very well. Lets keep up this discussion. Thanks.anuchoksey

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Has not China being doing this for years and years - and now there is a surplus of males in the population meaning only one thing. Yep, war.

 

Do we know for sure Swami is doing this? Sounds more like bad publicity again to me.

 

The planet needs a balance of male and female.

 

Jane

 

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It has been denied by the Ashram and but the tirade against Baba continues by the vested interest and the media to gain political advantage and to paint hindu saints in bad light as the the TN government earlier did in case of Kanchi Sankaracharya. To brand , on the basis of such misplaced allegations,Baba and his supporters criminals is not very fair.

On 5/13/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Has not China being doing this for years and years - and now there is a surplus of males in the population meaning only one thing. Yep, war.

 

Do we know for sure Swami is doing this? Sounds more like bad publicity again to me.

 

The planet needs a balance of male and female.

 

Jane

 

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Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

> . . .

> The planet needs a balance of male and female.

> Jane

 

Look at it this way: these days, the energy

emanating from females is so much more stronger

than that from males that it takes a lot more

males than females to strike a balance.

 

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

Om Shanti

 

 

 

 

 

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A medicine like this, if at all Baba has found or proclaimed to have found, will be a boon to some mothers who really want a male child. It is another thing that it can be misused and the remedy for that will lie in the emphasis on ethical education and not on condemning the medicine or the discovery of medicine. The women should have a say in these matters. It is for this reason probably the ancient law-giver, Manu said that father is more respectable than the teacher and mother is more respectable than father (so that people will care for what mothers have to say). Let us all, including the sociologists, think about this.SKBJane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Has not China being doing this for years and years - and now there is a surplus of males in the population meaning only one thing. Yep, war. Do we know for sure Swami is doing this? Sounds more like bad publicity again to me. The planet needs a balance of male and female. Jane

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Interesting. Only if you would have elaborated it a bit.SKBJyotishi <jyotish2000 wrote: Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: > . . . > The planet needs a balance of male and female. > Jane Look at it this way: these days, the energy emanating from females is so much more stronger than that from males that it takes a lot more males than females to strike a balance. Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi

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The techniques described by Ramdevji in the 2 VCD set are not new. They are most effective, I and several friends and acquantences can testify. Problem is the mass campaigns have in a very short time, garnered a mass following and this has led to jealousy, and hence vilification. Brinda Karat tried to start a campaign regarding violation of labour laws in the ashram. I queried why she and her group were notably silent on the way Coca-Cola mined water in Kerala, and drove hundreds of farmers to destitution. Got no answer. See, I do not approach issues on party lines, or gender lines or religious lines -- only on ethical lines. IF Ramdevji does propogate any such medicine, he and all of us should arrive at a consensus with PROOF of such propogation and persuade the ashram against it. Choice of gender is not the same as choosing to be slim,

or tall, or breathing better, or stabilising blood sugar or blood pressure. There is an ethical dimension here. I agree that campaigns fo vilification of public figures are undertaken for cheap publicity or to control the wealth of such groups. We need to be careful and support what is right. Thanks and regards.Dr N Bhashyam <drnbhashyam wrote: It has been denied by the Ashram and but the tirade against Baba continues by the vested interest and the

media to gain political advantage and to paint hindu saints in bad light as the the TN government earlier did in case of Kanchi Sankaracharya. To brand , on the basis of such misplaced allegations,Baba and his supporters criminals is not very fair. On 5/13/07, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: Has not China being doing this for years and years - and now there is a surplus of males in the population meaning only one thing. Yep, war. Do we know

for sure Swami is doing this? Sounds more like bad publicity again to me. The planet needs a balance of male and female. Jane

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