RE: [HealthyIndia] Science and spirituality.

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Jagannath, Hope is not dead. Science without spirituality is no science, and this is the view of people like Einstein, Shrodinger, etc. Do read Mani Bhowmik's Code Name God.Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote: @, "Bhadraiah Mallampalli" <vaidix wrote:> Just to give a sample, the brain tissue secretions of gut were known > to rishis all along in the name of

soma. This aspect has been fully > studied and documented. The mechanism of Soma is the the most > primitive and can be called body's brain. Soma is described as a > king of plants, or plant king. A healthy body should be able to > generate the soma juice when needed (to communicate feelings like > hunger etc). It should also be possible to control secretions of > soma through meditation as suggested by innumerable models in > upanishats and vaidic brahmanas. -------------------- The brain has the ability to satisfy all the chemical needs of the body. This is what enabled the Rishis to immerse themselves in meditation for long periods of time without damaging their health. In fact if anyone practices meditation with sincerety the workings of the body decelarates and the body sustains itself with the minimum of energy.

The pulse, heart beat and all activities slow down. As one proceeds on the path of meditation the demands of the body reduce. The person can sustain himself with a small fraction of what he originally needed. Many monks survive with just a chappati immersed in water when they go into retreats. I have been to the Rumtek Monastery of Sikkim, the seat of Tibetan Buddhism in India. I saw a small trail up the nearby hill. Upon questioning I was told it led to a cave, modified into a closed room, where the monks went to meditate, often for months on end. I asked them who supplied them with food etc. They said once a fortnight an attendant went with food and water to place it at the entrance of the closed cave. But it was often found that even the last fortnights supplies were untouched. Recently a sadhu was in news in India who created a sensation by refusing food for days on end. He

claimed he could survive without food. The doctors of Ahmedabad kept him in a glass room for 10 days and observed him night and day. Not only did the sadhu not take food or water, he did not evacuate either. After 10 days the sadhu was released, maybe the doctors were afraid he could die. But I feel more experiments should have been conducted. It is also possible through meditation techniques to generate heat or cold in the body. In the National Geographic was shown a Buddhist meditation session in the Himalayan region where in the thick of winter, a cloth dipped in ice water was wrapped in the bare torso of the monks. Within an hour or maybe less, the clothes started steaming and were totally dry after some time. Similarly an ITBP expedition in the Himalayas came across a monk wearing only a strip of cloth in the groin. When the surprised soldiers asked him how he managed he said he knew the method to generate

heat. As far as I remember he also said he could do without food as and when he wanted. The above are not myths but recorded facts. These lead us to believe in our scriptures and the various vibhutis described in them. The vibhutis are an aid to spiritual life and are not for any other use. Closer home, in a Math that was once occupied by a realised soul affectionately called "the mad saint", there used to be often unexpected visitors. The monk would caution other devotees not to disturb them as they were visitors from the Himalayas, who had come with the help of special powers that enabled them to travel in their astral bodies. We have heard these incidents from elderly highly reputed retired government officials whose characters leave no question for doubt. Science says that a man uses only 30% of the brain. Yoga, physical and metaphysical, gives us access to the rest 70%.

The brain also has the ability to communicate with the animal, plant and even the mineral world. The ayurvedic Rishis discovered the curative properties of various substances by communicating with them and praying to them to reveal their properties. Had we based our development on our scriptures, and backed by science, we would have been a very disciplined and useful race. If we face so much corruption and pain today it is because of a science that has divorced itself from spirituality. But then what has happened cannot be undone. Let us hope the spiritual tenets do not disappear with our generation. There IS hope as we come across spiritually gifted children. And today parents have become aware of the need for values and are trying their best to inculcate them into their children. This is a very encouraging sign. I do not expect an affluent

India with the power to destroy the world with its arsenal of nuclear weapons, but an India that helps reconstruct the world with its spiritual power. Our Savants have assured us that, that indeed will be the case. The spirituality that will engulf the world will originate from this holy land. Bhadraiahji, I am encouraged by the fact that you have been able to interwine both science and spiritually in such a vibrant manner. My pranams to you Sir. Love & Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

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DEAR MODERATOR,

HOW ARE YOU HOPE YOU WOULD BE FINE. I HAVE

BEEN READING THROUGH THE USER’S ARTICLES FOR DAYS NOW. EVERYBODY HERE IS

SOMEHOW CONNECTED TO MEDICINE AND TREATMENT SOMEHOW THIS MADE ME TO ASK A

QUESTION FOR MYSELF. I HAVE A BROTHER WHO WAS DISABLED AFTER THE AGE OF 5 TILL

NOW HE IS 25 NOW. BUT ALL HIS MUSCLES HAVE VANISHED FROM HIS BODY. I MEAN IF WE

LOOK AT HIS ARM YOU WONT SEE FLESH AND MUSCLES JUST BONES AND SKIN. I ALSO HAD

1 BROTHER AND 1 SISTER BEFORE HIM WHO WERE ALSO DISABLED BUT DIED AT THE AGE OF

27. MY QUESTION TO ALL THE USERS IS WHAT IS THIS DISEASE CALLED AND IS THERE

ANY TREATMENT FOR IT? I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR REPLY….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

UMAIR AHMED

PMV DEPARTMENT

CCC- KPF PROJECT

KHURSINIYAH

Phone +966 55 6001293 - 94 -Ext.228

Kingdom Of SAUDI ARABIA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Prabha Krishnan

Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:11

PM

To:

 

Re: [HealthyIndia]

Science and spirituality.

 

 

 

Jagannath,

 

 

 

 

 

Hope is not dead. Science without spirituality is no science, and this

is the view of people like Einstein, Shrodinger, etc. Do read Mani Bhowmik's Code Name God.

 

Jagannath Chatterjee

<jagchat01 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

@,

" Bhadraiah Mallampalli " <vaidix wrote:

> Just to give a sample, the brain tissue secretions of gut were known

> to rishis all along in the name of soma. This aspect has been fully

> studied and documented. The mechanism of Soma is the the most

> primitive and can be called body's brain. Soma is described as a

> king of plants, or plant king. A healthy body should be able to

> generate the soma juice when needed (to communicate feelings like

> hunger etc). It should also be possible to control secretions of

> soma through meditation as suggested by innumerable models in

> upanishats and vaidic brahmanas.

--------------------

 

 

The brain has the ability to satisfy all the chemical needs of the

body. This is what enabled the Rishis to immerse themselves in meditation for

long periods of time without damaging their health.

 

 

 

 

 

In fact if anyone practices meditation with sincerety the workings of

the body decelarates and the body sustains itself with the minimum of energy.

The pulse, heart beat and all activities slow down.

 

 

 

 

 

As one proceeds on the path of meditation the demands of the body

reduce. The person can sustain himself with a small fraction of what he

originally needed. Many monks survive with just a chappati immersed in water

when they go into retreats.

 

 

 

 

 

I have been to the Rumtek Monastery of Sikkim,

the seat of Tibetan Buddhism in India.

I saw a small trail up the nearby hill. Upon questioning I was told it led to a

cave, modified into a closed room, where the monks went to meditate, often for

months on end. I asked them who supplied them with food etc. They said once a

fortnight an attendant went with food and water to place it at the entrance of

the closed cave. But it was often found that even the last fortnights supplies

were untouched.

 

 

 

 

 

Recently a sadhu was in news in India who created a sensation by

refusing food for days on end. He claimed he could survive without food. The

doctors of Ahmedabad kept him in a glass room for 10 days and observed him

night and day. Not only did the sadhu not take food or water, he did not

evacuate either. After 10 days the sadhu was released, maybe the doctors were

afraid he could die. But I feel more experiments should have been conducted.

 

 

 

 

 

It is also possible through meditation techniques to generate heat or

cold in the body. In the National Geographic was shown a Buddhist meditation

session in the Himalayan region where in the thick of winter, a cloth dipped in

ice water was wrapped in the bare torso of the monks. Within an hour or maybe

less, the clothes started steaming and were totally dry after some time.

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly an ITBP expedition in the Himalayas

came across a monk wearing only a strip of cloth in the groin. When the

surprised soldiers asked him how he managed he said he knew the method to

generate heat. As far as I remember he also said he could do without food as

and when he wanted.

 

 

 

 

 

The above are not myths but recorded facts. These lead us to believe in

our scriptures and the various vibhutis described in them. The vibhutis are an

aid to spiritual life and are not for any other use.

 

 

 

 

 

Closer home, in a Math that was once occupied by a realised soul

affectionately called " the mad saint " , there used to be often

unexpected visitors. The monk would caution other devotees not to disturb them

as they were visitors from the Himalayas, who

had come with the help of special powers that enabled them to travel in their

astral bodies. We have heard these incidents from elderly highly reputed retired

government officials whose characters leave no question for doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

Science says that a man uses only 30% of the brain. Yoga, physical

and metaphysical, gives us access to the rest 70%.

 

 

 

 

 

The brain also has the ability to communicate with the animal, plant

and even the mineral world. The ayurvedic Rishis discovered the curative

properties of various substances by communicating with them and praying to them

to reveal their properties.

 

 

 

 

 

Had we based our development on our scriptures, and backed by science,

we would have been a very disciplined and useful race. If we face so much

corruption and pain today it is because of a science that has divorced itself

from spirituality.

 

 

 

 

 

But then what has happened cannot be undone. Let us hope the spiritual

tenets do not disappear with our generation. There IS hope as we come across

spiritually gifted children. And today parents have become aware of the need

for values and are trying their best to inculcate them into their children.

This is a very encouraging sign.

 

 

 

 

 

I do not expect an affluent India

with the power to destroy the world with its arsenal of nuclear weapons, but an

India

that helps reconstruct the world with its spiritual power. Our Savants have

assured us that, that indeed will be the case. The spirituality that will

engulf the world will originate from this holy land.

 

 

 

 

 

Bhadraiahji, I am encouraged by the fact that you have been able to

interwine both science and spiritually in such a vibrant manner. My pranams to

you Sir.

 

 

 

 

 

Love & Regards,

Jagannath.

 

 

 

 

 

" Our

ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life

by the power of the spirit. " - Aurobindo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Prabhaji,

 

I have noticed this book (Code named God). Now that you recommend it

I may read it. Actually I am myself convinced that science cannot

proceed without spirituality, hence nowadays I don't feel like

reading such books. Spirituality tolerates science only because it is

sure of its eternal principles and wishes that man clears his

material doubts with science.

 

But then to convince others one needs to read. But as Sri Ramakrishna

said, " The child tells its mother, please wake me up when I feel the

need to go to the toilet. The mother smiles and replies, I do not

need to wake you up, when you get the urge the urge itself shall wake

you. "

 

What propels me still is that I wish people do not have to go through

so much pain to believe in spirituality or God. They could cross the

distance so easily by listening to the experiences of others, and

having faith.

 

I know that maybe this is my ego talking, everything is after all the

wish of God, but even then.....

 

In your accompanying post you have said something about the subject

matter of your book, " Health Care, Earth Care " . From what I have

gleaned from a cursory glance at the book in a book store, I agree

totally that unless man leads a complete life and gets lawful

satisfaction, he is amenable to unhappiness and disease.

 

Our ancestors had so little material comforts but yet they were

happy, and healthy. I do not dislike the present circumstances

because at no time in history have we access to so much knowledge and

had so much power over communication. Earlier of course the sages had

powers that gave them access to the eternal knowledge and they also

the ability to communicate over a distance but the common man was

deprived of these facilities.

 

So this age is the age to learn and share. It is also the age to

observe and learn from our mistakes. This age will not come back

again in a hurry and will exist in myths for a long time to come. The

next age, I feel will be an age of internal development and

contemplation once again, just as it was in the beginning of our

mythical past.

 

We can never be totally in the present, some parts of our awareness

will always reflect on the past and ponder over the future. Science

calls it irrational thinking. I call it the joy of thinking. Rational

life is a very dry life, life is incomplete without adventurous

thoughts, without imagination, without the freedom to think beyond

the present.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

, Prabha Krishnan

<prabha40249 wrote:

>

> Jagannath,

>

> Hope is not dead. Science without spirituality is no science, and

this is the view of people like Einstein, Shrodinger, etc. Do read

Mani Bhowmik's Code Name God.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ahmed Saheb,

 

Salaam Aleikum. I am so happy that you have written to the group

though I am sad about the circumstances that forced you to write.

Please do not think that this group is entirely about medicine. As

Prabhaji has pointed out, health includes everything.

 

Regarding your case I will request the doctors to comment on it.

 

Khuda Hafez,

Jagannath.

 

 

, " Umair Abbasi \(KPF\) "

<uabbasi wrote:

>

> DEAR MODERATOR,

>

> HOW ARE YOU HOPE YOU WOULD BE FINE. I HAVE BEEN READING THROUGH THE

> USER'S ARTICLES FOR DAYS NOW. EVERYBODY HERE IS SOMEHOW CONNECTED TO

> MEDICINE AND TREATMENT SOMEHOW THIS MADE ME TO ASK A QUESTION FOR

> MYSELF. I HAVE A BROTHER WHO WAS DISABLED AFTER THE AGE OF 5 TILL

NOW HE

> IS 25 NOW. BUT ALL HIS MUSCLES HAVE VANISHED FROM HIS BODY. I MEAN

IF WE

> LOOK AT HIS ARM YOU WONT SEE FLESH AND MUSCLES JUST BONES AND SKIN.

I

> ALSO HAD 1 BROTHER AND 1 SISTER BEFORE HIM WHO WERE ALSO DISABLED

BUT

> DIED AT THE AGE OF 27. MY QUESTION TO ALL THE USERS IS WHAT IS THIS

> DISEASE CALLED AND IS THERE ANY TREATMENT FOR IT? I WILL WAIT FOR

YOUR

> REPLY....

>

>

>

Regards,

>

> UMAIR AHMED

>

> PMV DEPARTMENT

>

> CCC- KPF PROJECT

>

> KHURSINIYAH

>

> Phone +966 55 6001293 - 94 -

Ext.228

>

> Kingdom Of SAUDI ARABIA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wasting of muscles is not an uncommon condition and

can be due to any number of causes. Marasmus is a

common cause( See listing in Wikipedia)among others.

Dr Paraki

--- " Umair Abbasi (KPF) " <uabbasi wrote:

 

> DEAR MODERATOR,

>

> HOW ARE YOU HOPE YOU WOULD BE FINE. I HAVE BEEN

> READING THROUGH THE

> USER'S ARTICLES FOR DAYS NOW. EVERYBODY HERE IS

> SOMEHOW CONNECTED TO

> MEDICINE AND TREATMENT SOMEHOW THIS MADE ME TO ASK A

> QUESTION FOR

> MYSELF. I HAVE A BROTHER WHO WAS DISABLED AFTER THE

> AGE OF 5 TILL NOW HE

> IS 25 NOW. BUT ALL HIS MUSCLES HAVE VANISHED FROM

> HIS BODY. I MEAN IF WE

> LOOK AT HIS ARM YOU WONT SEE FLESH AND MUSCLES JUST

> BONES AND SKIN. I

> ALSO HAD 1 BROTHER AND 1 SISTER BEFORE HIM WHO WERE

> ALSO DISABLED BUT

> DIED AT THE AGE OF 27. MY QUESTION TO ALL THE USERS

> IS WHAT IS THIS

> DISEASE CALLED AND IS THERE ANY TREATMENT FOR IT? I

> WILL WAIT FOR YOUR

> REPLY....

>

>

>

Regards,

>

> UMAIR AHMED

>

> PMV DEPARTMENT

>

> CCC- KPF PROJECT

>

> KHURSINIYAH

>

> Phone +966 55

> 6001293 - 94 -Ext.228

>

> Kingdom Of SAUDI

> ARABIA

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf

> Of Prabha Krishnan

> Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:11 PM

>

> Re: [HealthyIndia] Science and

> spirituality.

>

>

>

> Jagannath,

>

>

>

> Hope is not dead. Science without spirituality is no

> science, and this

> is the view of people like Einstein, Shrodinger,

> etc. Do read Mani

> Bhowmik's Code Name God.

>

> Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote:

>

> @ <n >

> , " Bhadraiah

> Mallampalli " <vaidix wrote:

> > Just to give a sample, the brain tissue

> secretions of gut were

> known

> > to rishis all along in the name of soma. This

> aspect has been

> fully

> > studied and documented. The mechanism of Soma is

> the the most

> > primitive and can be called body's brain. Soma is

> described as

> a

> > king of plants, or plant king. A healthy body

> should be able

> to

> > generate the soma juice when needed (to

> communicate feelings

> like

> > hunger etc). It should also be possible to

> control secretions

> of

> > soma through meditation as suggested by

> innumerable models in

> > upanishats and vaidic brahmanas.

>

>

--------------------

>

> The brain has the ability to satisfy all the

> chemical needs of

> the body. This is what enabled the Rishis to immerse

> themselves in

> meditation for long periods of time without damaging

> their health.

>

>

>

> In fact if anyone practices meditation with

> sincerety the

> workings of the body decelarates and the body

> sustains itself with the

> minimum of energy. The pulse, heart beat and all

> activities slow down.

>

>

>

> As one proceeds on the path of meditation the

> demands of the

> body reduce. The person can sustain himself with a

> small fraction of

> what he originally needed. Many monks survive with

> just a chappati

> immersed in water when they go into retreats.

>

>

>

> I have been to the Rumtek Monastery of Sikkim, the

> seat of

> Tibetan Buddhism in India. I saw a small trail up

> the nearby hill. Upon

> questioning I was told it led to a cave, modified

> into a closed room,

> where the monks went to meditate, often for months

> on end. I asked them

> who supplied them with food etc. They said once a

> fortnight an attendant

> went with food and water to place it at the entrance

> of the closed cave.

> But it was often found that even the last fortnights

> supplies were

> untouched.

>

>

>

> Recently a sadhu was in news in India who created a

> sensation by

> refusing food for days on end. He claimed he could

> survive without food.

> The doctors of Ahmedabad kept him in a glass room

> for 10 days and

> observed him night and day. Not only did the sadhu

> not take food or

> water, he did not evacuate either. After 10 days the

> sadhu was released,

> maybe the doctors were afraid he could die. But I

> feel more experiments

> should have been conducted.

>

>

>

> It is also possible through meditation techniques

> to generate

> heat or cold in the body. In the National Geographic

> was shown a

> Buddhist meditation session in the Himalayan region

> where in the thick

> of winter, a cloth dipped in ice water was wrapped

> in the bare torso of

> the monks. Within an hour or maybe less, the clothes

> started steaming

> and were totally dry after some time.

>

>

>

> Similarly an ITBP expedition in the Himalayas came

> across a monk

> wearing only a strip of cloth in the groin. When the

> surprised soldiers

> asked him how he managed he said he knew the method

> to generate heat. As

> far as I remember he also said he could do without

> food as and when he

> wanted.

>

>

>

> The above are not myths but recorded facts. These

> lead us to

> believe in our scriptures and the various vibhutis

> described in them.

> The vibhutis are an aid to spiritual life and are

> not for any other use.

>

>

>

> Closer home, in a Math that was once occupied by a

> realised soul

> affectionately called " the mad saint " , there used to

> be

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Rationality does not preclude joy and fun and mischief! Who told you that? You must read the poet Hafeez. One compilation is The Topic Tonight is Love. What could be more rational than love of God? What more joyous, more fun, more full of mischief? On the eve of Sri Krishna Janamashtami I need not remind you of that!jagchat01 <jagchat01 wrote: Dear Prabhaji,I have noticed this book (Code named God). Now that you recommend it I

may read it. Actually I am myself convinced that science cannot proceed without spirituality, hence nowadays I don't feel like reading such books. Spirituality tolerates science only because it is sure of its eternal principles and wishes that man clears his material doubts with science.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Prabhaji. But do the scientists recognise Sri Krishna? The

love for God is the only thought pattern that is required of us, the

goal of human life. But science will not approve that too.

 

According to science questioning and proving, as per certain definite

parameters, is everything, that too within the ambit of matter. And

yes, the prime occupation of the Rationalists Association is to make

fun of devotion and faith. They find no difference between the true

devotee and the charlatan.

 

I am glad the movement did not spread in India. It is limited to the

scientific fanatics. In their effort to reform society they would

have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

 

Science has its benefits and is essential, but like any other

movement it should have the yardstick of being beneficial and

subservient to man. No system, however essential should grow to be a

threat to man and his ultimate aim.

 

Regards,

Jagannath.

 

, Prabha Krishnan

<prabha40249 wrote:

>

> Rationality does not preclude joy and fun and mischief! Who told

you that?

>

> You must read the poet Hafeez. One compilation is The Topic

Tonight is Love.

>

> What could be more rational than love of God? What more joyous,

more fun, more full of mischief? On the eve of Sri Krishna

Janamashtami I need not remind you of that!

>