Ayurveda is not scientific.

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Dear Dr ____, The use of modern tools have not improved your ability to cure diseases, therefore you cannot say that by using modern tools you are in fact at an advantage. Rather these modern tools have their own side effects through radiation, high frequency sounds etc. Let us go to the animal world. The animals are healthy with their own instinct based medicine based on nature and they do not suffer from chronic autoimmune disorders unless they feed on pesticide laced food or are unfortunate enough to come into contact with domestic cattle or encaged in zoos, putting them under the mercy of vets. You should know that more animals die in zoo hospitals than in the wild, from disease. The ayurveds diagnosed through the pulse, tongue, facial signs, skin tone, physical structure, palpitation and outward examination of organs, colour and smell of excreta and body odour, and the

symptoms of the disease AS EXPRESSED BY THE PATIENTS. By adopting diagnostic kits the allopathic physicians have in fact lost access to a wealth of symptoms as they have lost the ability to diagnose disease without them. They have also TOTALLY LOST TOUCH WITH THE PATIENT AS A WHOLE. We are speaking after experiencing PERSONALLY what modern medicine is. You should take our words as a FEEDBACK and rectify your defects.We are not arguing with you to gain any points. We are arguing because we want to be cured of our ailments. We are arguing because we do not want the best brains of our country engaged in damaging our health and in keeping us diseased for life. To know about ayurveda and about how it too can use modern science I would like you to visit the Ayurveda Institute set up by Swami Ramdev and also the state of art laboratories of Himalaya Healthcare. Your entire perception about ayurveda will change after

your visit. Why don't you understand that you will GAIN and not loose if you study Indian medicine and homeopathy. You can only augment your knowledge and help serve humanity better if you stop chasing the chimera that disease begins and ends in the body. If you examine your patients in detail and enquire after their mental states a whole new world will open up before you and you will not only know what disease is but also how it can affect individuals. For example, we criticise the present generation for taking to crime and leading promiscuous lives. But the ayurveds, homeopaths, and energy healers know the reason. They know that modern medicine is preventing the body from growing naturally and thus affecting the mind and emotions negatively by not allowing the psyche to mature properly. It is causing a kind of mental cancer when the mind and emotions are turning against the individual and making them take to

crime and passionate lifestyles. DO YOU REALISE NOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO HUMANITY? FOR GOD'S SAKE WE APPEAL TO YOU, STOP !!!!! You have to study classical ayurveda and classical homeopathy to gain from ayurvedic and homeopathic formulations. You have to step out of your limited education and study man as a whole. Ayurveda and homeopathy cannot be practiced by sitting in airconditioned chambers and skinning cadavers. A whole lot of effort and soul searching is required. You should also acquire a genuine interest in healing individuals. You should cultivate the humility to learn from and respect nature so that she reveals her secrets to you. You have to appreciate the divine nature of man. YOU SHOULD REALISE THAT MAN IS MUCH MUCH MORE THAN A MACHINE. And you must also remember that the patients sole and only desire is to be cured in toto. It does not matter to him what is

scientific and what is not. In the wake of the Ramdev controversy, the patients said in one voice, "We will continue the pranayama, yoga, and medicines prescribed by Swami Ramdev because we are getting relief and being cured of our ailments. We have been to so many scientific doctors and hospitals who only made us feel worse and took our money. We do not bother if Ramdevji's methods are scientific or not". I do not seek to inform and educate you people for the heck of it. As I have mentioned before, it pains me that the best brains of the world are engaged in damaging the health of patients and making them diseased and depraved. Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." -

Aurobindo.

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Dear Dr ____, The use of modern tools have not improved your ability to cure diseases, therefore you cannot say that by using modern tools you are in fact at an advantage. Rather these modern tools have their own side effects through radiation, high frequency sounds etc. Let us go to the animal world. The animals are healthy with their own instinct based medicine based on nature and they do not suffer from chronic autoimmune disorders unless they feed on pesticide laced food or are unfortunate enough to come into contact with domestic cattle or encaged in zoos, putting them under the mercy of vets. You should know that more animals die in zoo hospitals than in the wild, from disease. The ayurveds diagnosed through the pulse, tongue, facial signs, skin tone, physical structure, palpitation and outward examination of organs, colour and smell of excreta and body odour, and the

symptoms of the disease AS EXPRESSED BY THE PATIENTS. By adopting diagnostic kits the allopathic physicians have in fact lost access to a wealth of symptoms as they have lost the ability to diagnose disease without them. They have also TOTALLY LOST TOUCH WITH THE PATIENT AS A WHOLE. We are speaking after experiencing PERSONALLY what modern medicine is. You should take our words as a FEEDBACK and rectify your defects.We are not arguing with you to gain any points. We are arguing because we want to be cured of our ailments. We are arguing because we do not want the best brains of our country engaged in damaging our health and in keeping us diseased for life. To know about ayurveda and about how it too can use modern science I would like you to visit the Ayurveda Institute set up by Swami Ramdev and also the state of art laboratories of Himalaya Healthcare. Your entire perception about ayurveda will change after

your visit. Why don't you understand that you will GAIN and not loose if you study Indian medicine and homeopathy. You can only augment your knowledge and help serve humanity better if you stop chasing the chimera that disease begins and ends in the body. If you examine your patients in detail and enquire after their mental states a whole new world will open up before you and you will not only know what disease is but also how it can affect individuals. For example, we criticise the present generation for taking to crime and leading promiscuous lives. But the ayurveds, homeopaths, and energy healers know the reason. They know that modern medicine is preventing the body from growing naturally and thus affecting the mind and emotions negatively by not allowing the psyche to mature properly. It is causing a kind of mental cancer when the mind and emotions are turning against the individual and making them take to

crime and passionate lifestyles. DO YOU REALISE NOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO HUMANITY? FOR GOD'S SAKE WE APPEAL TO YOU, STOP !!!!! You have to study classical ayurveda and classical homeopathy to gain from ayurvedic and homeopathic formulations. You have to step out of your limited education and study man as a whole. Ayurveda and homeopathy cannot be practiced by sitting in airconditioned chambers and skinning cadavers. A whole lot of effort and soul searching is required. You should also acquire a genuine interest in healing individuals. You should cultivate the humility to learn from and respect nature so that she reveals her secrets to you. You have to appreciate the divine nature of man. YOU SHOULD REALISE THAT MAN IS MUCH MUCH MORE THAN A MACHINE. And you must also remember that the patients sole and only desire is to be cured in toto. It does not matter to him what is

scientific and what is not. In the wake of the Ramdev controversy, the patients said in one voice, "We will continue the pranayama, yoga, and medicines prescribed by Swami Ramdev because we are getting relief and being cured of our ailments. We have been to so many scientific doctors and hospitals who only made us feel worse and took our money. We do not bother if Ramdevji's methods are scientific or not". I do not seek to inform and educate you people for the heck of it. As I have mentioned before, it pains me that the best brains of the world are engaged in damaging the health of patients and making them diseased and depraved. Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." -

Aurobindo.

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@, "...> wrote:> Your comments suggest to me that you are embracing the same pattern of> irrational thinking that characterizes Jagannath Chatterjee'spostings.> I really can't seem to say much at this point, since any facts I bring> up will simply be dismissed by you, while any opinions you state Imust> either accept or be guilty in your eyes of some kind of conspiracy to> keep Ayurveda down.----------------------------I wonder what you people have achieved by your rational medicine. Froma patients perspective it appears horribly irrational to us as it doesnot cure us, makes the disease a part of the system, makes us takemedications for life, makes us emotionally and mentally sick, destroysour social and marital lives, makes our children behave irrationally,and make

crime graphs shoot up. It has only served to take away ourpeace of mind, destroyed the humane qualities within us and made us apart of a cruel, unsympathetic and exploitative society.We were better off under the priests than under these puffed upunrepenting scientists who have promised us immortality if only we canthrow away our age old beliefs, faith on god, dependance on ethics andmorality, and pay them their hefty fees.And in return we have got disease and painful death.So much for rationality.Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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@, "..> wrote:>> "Unlike allopathic drugs where you can test for a chemical,> enforcement is not easy for Ayurvedic formulations. ">> I fail to see why not. Everything (food, medicine, herbs) at somelevel> is just chemicals, including the human body. There is nothing about> ayurvedic substances that would make them outside the scope of> chemistry.> I see nothing at all in your explanation that would precluderegulating> Ayurveda.-----------------------------There have been many efforts to isolate active ingredients and thenmanufacture and prescribe their chemical equivalent. They have eithernot worked at all, worked unsatisfactorily, or had undesirable sideeffects. This proves that there is more than just the "activeingredient" that is

involved.And may I ask, if natural products are available then why should wego in for chemicals? If chemicals are dangerous in the environment,as pesticides in food, then why are they not harmful as medicinesforced into our fragile natural body?And may I also ask why emphasis is not given to nutrition and naturalmodes of healing in modern medical science? Today the doctors seem toexist only as salespersons for the drug industry. They only know howto prescribe medicines. They do not bother about prevention ofdisease or about counselling patients.Let me remind you doctors, that the doctors real task is to PREVENTdisease and not try to treat it after the disease has occurred. InChina there is the practice to pay the herbal doctors only when thepeople are healthy. The payment is stopped when the people fall illbecause it denotes that the healer has failed in his duty.Our anger is not directed against

specific doctors, they can onlypractice what they are taught. We are against the system calledmodern medicine and we wish the doctors to realise the truth andbring in the required reforms instead of opposing them.Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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, Jagannath Chatterjee

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> Dear Dr ____,

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> The use of modern tools have not improved your ability to cure

diseases, therefore you cannot say that by using modern tools you are

in fact at an advantage. Rather these modern tools have their own

side effects through radiation, high frequency sounds etc.

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Re: Ayurveda is not scientific. @, " wrote:> Since you seem to know that vasko works wonderfully well in> hypertension, give it 50 to 100 patietns with the same problem> namely hypertension, record their blood pressure before and after> and tell us how many of them are benefitted with appropriate> statistical analyses. You need to understand that human diseasesare > highly variable and unpredictable. That is why we need a fairsample > size to check the effect for its consistancy. Since youbelieve a > large number of people are already trying Ayur Vedha, itshould not > be difficult to recruit. Let us see how confident youare when you > get the data.>----------------------Here we come to the crux of

the problem. The modern doctors realisethat diseases are highly variable and unpredictable and yet theytend to prescribe the same medication for all and expect the sameresults.This is the mindset which tests holistic therapies and finds faultwith them.Instead of treating a good number of patients with the samemedicine, why don't we have a test whereby a hundred or so patientsare divided in equal numbers and treated separately by allopaths andhomeopaths/ayurveds and then the patients questioned to know theextent of relief.The largest ayurveda group on "ayurveda" has thischallenge open to all.I would request you to please join the forum and take up thechallenge. The presence of both ayurveds and allopaths will ensure adecent and unbiased test.It is very sad that all we are stressing throughout is that themodern doctors study holistic therapies with interest and an

openmind. But they are not willing to do that. Even our government hasfailed to pursuade them in this regard. The doctors do not want tolook beyond the well.All holistic therapies acknowledge that there are various methods ofhealing and the doctor should employ them as per the requirement.Even Hahnemann had acknowledged this and said that energy medicineand ultimately spiritual healing would be the medicine of the future.There is nothing wrong in accepting karma. We don't blame thepatient and treat him to the best extent possible. But we alsoadvise him on how to lead his life thereafter to avoid the samecondition in future. Here we are seeking to change the persons karma.We are all suffering from a collective negative karma because we didnot protest when all other modalities of healing were brushed asideand a treatment alien to our culture was promoted instead. Hence thecollective suffering. We have no

one to blame but us.We can mitigate this karma by actively campaigning for thedevelopment of all therapies, spreading knowledge about them, sothat in the future we have better understanding of health andwellness and also a choice of treatment.Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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Re: Ayurveda is not scientific. @, "wrote:>> In spite of busy schedules many in this forum continue to read many> of these exchanges and actively participate. What more proof one> could show about our interest Indian culture and civilization. I> still think best way to bring the value of ayur vedha to clinical> usefulness is to study these drugs biochemically, analyze, and then> put them through clinical trials. Others here seem to think that may> pollute the purity of these medicines. To them the combination has> some mystical properties that may not ever be understood. But then> that is we said about many other medicnes in the past. Arsenic has> found its way back into mainstream medicine and Aresnic trioxide is> now used to treat

some leukemias. Why not Mercury? If anything works> with accepatable toxicity, it is worth a try.>> When Westerners come to India and say they want to study our> scriptures, we tend to fall all over ourseves to help them. Do we do> the same to our own? Then we complain that our sciptures were not> presented in good light. Samething may be said about Ayurvedha too.>> --------------------------I have already agreed with you. In fact the government of India has alreadyset up a Department of continuing research in ayurveda which is studying andverifying the ancient texts. However the government has fallen flat when ittried to induce the medical community to have ayurveda as a part of itscurriculum. This is what is not acceptable to us. We find it difficult to digestthat a science whose founder declared, "Let food be thy medicine" refuses tostudy the

nutritive and curative properties of natural foods and substances. Atleast the ayurveds and homeopaths look upon their founders as Gods.I am acutely sorry to say this but the medical scientists in India are moreinterested in furthering the continuance of the drug, vaccine and medicalequipment industry than in dipping into the gems of our own heritage. As aparticipant, albeit incognito, of many a medical conference sponsored bypharmaceutical companies and interacting with medical representatives I amreally pained to report that our saintly doctors prefer haggling about theircommissions and perks from the industry than in the quality and efficacy of theproducts that are offered.They also haggle and complain about the "target points" set by thepharmaceutical industry so that they can earn the maximum with the minimumeffort. And the worst part is that today drugs scheduled for certain specificailment are used, without

any testing and experiment, for other ailments assuggested by the pharmaceutical sector with a view to increase volumes. Whilethe American FDA has started arresting doctors for this trend the Indiangovernment prefers to sleep on the matter.The level of corruption in the medical sector has crossed all limits. It canno longer be called a "scientific" profession by any stretch of the imagination.It does not give me any pleasure to declare all this. I am shocked that theprofession on which we have reposed so much faith and looked upon its members asrepresentatives of God can stoop so much. This is shameful and the worst scandalof this century.What can I say. Doctors have even been arrested for photographing their femalepatients in the raw on the operating table and then selling the photographs tothe porn industry.This vindictive industry has imprisoned its own who have dared to voice theiropposition. In

India many a doctor has been murdered who did not like toparticipate in the system of "remuneration" prevalent in many hospitals, evengovernment ones. The shennanigans of this profession have induced even ourpolite and soft spoken Prime Minister to ask the doctors to refrain from takingcommissions from the diagnostic services sectors. And our Supreme Court had todeclare this profession to be a "den of corruption" in a landmark judgementagainst the topmost institution of this industry.Cases against this system have been filed even at the International Court ofJustice, The Hague. The doctor who has filed the case is now in jail for arigged up case of "a wrong prescription of a vitamin supplement" even as thosewho prescribe deadly poisons and GE drugs for cancer and AIDS party night longwith their business counterparts.Good Lord. I think it is time we prayed for Lord Vishnu to reincarnate andsave us from the

atrocities of this profession.You will not believe this and dub me emotional but believe me I am cryingwhile I write this while I ponder about it and remember my own torture in thehands of this profession. I have forgiven them for what they have done to me,but I sincerely wish this jaggernaut is stopped before it does further harm tothe society.Medical history will look back in shame and horror at what is being practicedtoday in the name of medicine. This is not my words but those of a retiredSenior Vaccine Safety Officer of the UK.Regards,Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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Re: Ayurveda is not scientific. @, " wrote:A few of these "applcations" may need fixes w.r.t modern> medicine (e.g. possible refutation of mercury & arsenic inAyurveda)> but in general they can provide guidance to modern medicine for along> time to come.--------------------Mercury has tremendous curative properties if the process to detoxifyit is known, the process is already available and used by ayurveds andsiddhas. Mercury in its many forms is an indispensible part of thehomeopathic materia medica. Arsenic is invaluable in ailments thathave weakness, burning sensations, chapping of the skin, andrestlessness. In its homeopathic potentised form it has been foundeffective in treating cases of arsenic affected

ground waterpoisoning by scientists as reported in Doordarshan.Of course heavy metals and their salts in the raw form as is used invaccines, various medicines, medical equipment, dental fixtures andprocedures by allopaths and as an enviornmental poison as a byproduct of the coal industry is definitely harmful and shouldimmediately be discontinued and banned.Jagannath. "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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