{Spam?} RE: [HealthyIndia] Why the holistic healers are against modern medicine.

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Modern medicines and treatment are like

mechanical / chemical engineering applied to our ‘physical’ or ‘dead’

aspects of the human body. This type of treatment will certainly solve only the

‘physical’ problem of humans. Wholistic way is not scientific and

it is about the ability of ‘life’ to not loose faith in natures’

power of justice. It is more of a faith healing rather than a material science.

 

Both of the methods are right. Because the

body is material and soul is faith. Faith is transformation of self, and cannot

be taught in any school and therefore such healers are rare; but medical

science is ‘transferable knowledge’ and it is easily accessible.

 

Ideally we should not need doctors if we

know ourself well; but if we do not know our own self

we must be at mercy of others including doctors, whether faith healers or

mechanical/ chemical engineers of modern doctors.

Regards

K G Misra

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Jagannath Chatterjee

Monday, July 17, 2006 4:16

PM

To:

 

[HealthyIndia] Re: Why

the holistic healers are against modern medicine.

 

Dear Dr Raman,

 

Your post is one of the most sympathetic and understanding that I have

received from any mainstream doctor. All the others who have picked fault with

my posts have either threatened me, made fun of me, or said that my allegations

were baseless and also that I was not qualified to make any comments.

 

I do know that modern medicine is indispensable in certain conditions, mostly

emergency ones and injury related, but what I object to is its application to

chronic cases.

 

Many of your points are valid today after gathering experience of many years

but we must realise that the early doctors were definitely wrong in their

meddling with acute disease forms that have today led to the epidemic of

chronic

diseases that we see all over the world.

 

Sir, the job of a doctor is not really to treat disease but to prevent it. The

emphasis should be on strengthening the immune system through a healthy,

intelligent lifestyle, clean environment, better hygiene, nutrition, proper

exercise and the cultivation of superior thoughts. You must admit that all

these

areas have been neglected.

 

The over emphasis on germs and viruses have done us in. Today we have an

antibiotic for everything without underastanding the true nature of man and

disease. We have failed to listen to Dr Antoine Beauchamp when he protested

Louis Pasteurs germ theory with the words, " The germs cannot be the cause

of

disease, the terrain is everything. "

 

You say that homeopaths are not able to tackle pathological changes. Sir, with

all respect, pathological changes are the last stage of disease. The disease

has

taken root much earlier. Disease has to be tackled at the mental and emotional

level before it becomes pathological so that the patient enjoys his previous

state of health, both mental and physical, and enjoys the same quality of life

that they enjoyed earlier.

 

I have two friends, ex-colleagues really, who are fighting cancer. Both are

alive but a burden to themselves and their families. Both were detected at an

early stage, have gone through many stages of chemotherapy, radiation,

recurrence and the works. They both feel it would have been better to be dead

than live this life. They both are considering appealing for mercy killing.

They

cannot bear the thought of ruining their family finances and being a bother to

everyone.

 

I too am in a similar position but I console myself with the thought that I am

able to be of help to others by pointing out the direction to good health. I

have been brought back to some semblance of normalcy by a homeopath after

suffering an adverse vaccine reaction 26 years ago.

 

Therefore I have turned into an anti-vaccine activist and try to put some

sense into the medical establishment. I had the idea that vaccines could be

dangerous but after studying the phenomenon closely I am apalled that the

intelligent doctors could allow this monstrosity under the premise of the

" greater good " . When you are affected whose good do such procedures

do?

 

I have written many times to the higher authorities pointing out that in India

as early as the 1950s, well meaning individuals had suggested integrated

medicine with the aim that our traditional, well proven medical base would have

served its purpose while modern medicine experimented its procedures on the

population of other countries.

 

Today many cases are fit only for modern medicine but nobody really puts a

thought to the obvious fact that it is modern medicine that is behind the

present state of our health. Pushing chemicals into the body, assaulting it

with

chemotherapy, radiation, dangerous toxins, unnecessary surgeries is not my idea

of what healing should be.

 

If we observe the world we see that the USA where modern medicine is at its

best has the highest incidence of complicated chronic diseases, with more

conditions being added almost on a daily basis. Sadly due to faulty planning

India too has " progressed " similarly. My brother who is in Germany

says people

there avoid allopathy, prefer to treat acute illnesses instead of

" dealing " with

them through vaccines and are much better off in the process.

 

I do not know how much you will agree with me Sir, but these are my own

convictions after having seen the medical establishment from up close in the

capacity of a patient. I wish the doctors understood the importance of human

beings and treated them as such instead of being engrossed in livers, hearts,

intestines etc.

 

Respect & Regards,

Jagannath.

 

hinducivilization ,

" Raman Khanna " <rshiyayati wrote:

>

> Dear Jagannath,

>

> As a physician trained (and in training) in the traditional allopathic

arts,

> I take exception to your generalizations in this post. Let me just clarify

> them, because I feel that your ideas are widespread but mistaken, and that

> part of the reason that many Indians get their medical care so late is

> because they believe that allopathic medicine is evil and misguided.

>

> My response to your specific points:

>

> 1. The symptoms are NOT the disease in allopathic medicine. Many of the

> drugs currently in use, and many of the ones being developed now, aim to

> destroy the disease PROCESS, not the disease itself. Cancer is a perfect

> example of this--we treat people who are otherwise feeling well all the

> time, and make them feel SICKER (for a little while) so that they may live

> longer. In fact one of the most common criticisms of allopathic medicine

is

> that we ignore symptoms and focus too much on the disease itself, when

> patients care more about the symptoms (like pain, nausea, vomiting,

> diarrhea, and so on).

>

> 2. Lack of physical symptoms do NOT denote lack of disease. That is why

> allopathic medicine recommends screening measures like colonoscopies,

> mammograms, and so on, all with the goal of catching curable disease

BEFORE

> it becomes symptomatic.

>

> 3. Germs are not the only main cause of disease. There are many others

that

> we acknowledge, research, and understand: vascular abnormalities, genetic

> defects, congenital malformations, deficient immunity, abnormal cellular

> activity, and so on.

>

> 4. In allopathic medicine, the body CERTAINLY has a capacity to fight

> disease entirely without a doctor's help. That is why there is an

increasing

> emphasis on watchful waiting for many diseases--almost all colds/flus,

some

> bacterial infections, most musculoskeletal illnesses. We are taught from

> almost our first clinical days that 90% of illnesses improve on their own.

>

> 6. Disease is NOT static in the allopathic view. If it were, it would be

> easy to cure--develop one medicine targeting the specific problem, and the

> patient is cured. In reality, allopaths very much understand the dynamism

of

> heart disease, cancer, bacterial infection; how cancers develop mutations

> that make them harder to treat, how infections evolve resistance, and how

> hearts accumulate plaque in spite of our best efforts. That is why allopathy

> aims to constantly research and find new methods for fixing these

problems.

>

> Some of your criticisms, of course, are valid. Doctors DO often think they

> know better than everyone else, and they often DO neglect the

> social/spiritual side of things in their interactions with patients. (Some

> are better than others at this.) They also need to do a better job of

> understanding the whole patient and his/her priorities--is it getting

> better, controlling symptoms, dying at home, etc? Regardless, such a

> negative view of what allopaths do can cause serious problems for people.

I

> was recently in India and saw patients who came to the hospital with very

> advanced diseases (cancer, heart disease, you name it). They had been

> treated only by homeopaths with no training in modern medicine, and in the

> process their diseases had not been helped. Even more tragically, many

were

> now beyond the point of being helped by modern medicine, too.

>

> Raman

>

> --

> Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitah

> --Those who defend righteousness are themselves defended by it.

> Mahabharata, Shantiparva

>

> Raman Khanna

> Northwestern University

> www.ramankhanna.sulekha.com

 

 

 

 

 

" Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life

but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit. " - Aurobindo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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