AIIMS issue : 20 point failure of Dr P Venugopal.

July 11, 2006

Dear Sirs, Many of you are up in arms that I have supported Dr Ramadoss in the tussle between him and Dr P Venugopal. My mailbox is full of mails critcising my views. I am not in favour of the medical community in general as they are criminally silent regarding the many glaring shortcomings that the fraternity is facing today. Can anyone please let me know what steps Dr Venugopal has taken to address the following problems plaguing the industry? 1. The doctor-drug industry nexus.2. Lack of continuous education for doctors.3. Lack of exposure to and knowledge of other healing methods.4. Over medicating purely to achieve industry targets.5. Overusing the surgery room for increased profits.6. Prescribing unnecessary diagnostic tests.7. Lack of concern for the patients, treating them like commodities and

exploiting them mercilessly.8. Not raising voice against dubious and dangerous medical practices like vaccinations, body scans, x-rays, radiation, ultrasound, chemotherapy, ART in case of AIDS, GE drugs etc.9. Refusing to see the emerging evidence that bacteria and viruses cannot be the cause of disease.10.Not educating the public on healthy living.11.Not speaking out against the junk food and drinks industry.12.Not speaking out against pollution and environmental dangers and related matters that affect health.13.Not revising the current health policy of the country which does not put adequate emphasis on hygiene, nutrition, prevention of illnesses and is woefully out of tune with ground realities.14.Not informing the patient about side effects of various medicines and medical procedures and obtaining informed

consent before administering them.15.Complete failure in curbing chronic diseases, let alone cure them.16.Treating the condition without hunting for the cause. 17.The rising incidence of iatrogenic (medicine caused) diseases and deaths. 18.Creating unnecessary panic and fear of disease in patients. 19.Unnecessarily criticising proven holistic healing systems and trying to convey that they are "dangerous" for health. 20.Retaining critical patients who they cannot cure instead of referring them to other medical systems. Now please tell me why I should support Dr Venugopal in his bid to retain the Chairmanship of our country's premier medical institution? I believe Dr Venugopal should be stripped of all his degrees and awards for keeping silent on the above issues, which are more important

than the issue of who scores over whom in the present tussle over power. Regards,Jagannath Chatterjee Health Reform Activist. - In ---------- , R.. <r..... wrote:>> Listing negative aspects of Dr. Venugopal does not automatically become> any form of "defence" for Ramadoss' actions.> > If anything, Dr. Venugopal should have been removed a long time ago,> if his conduct has been wrong. Anything negative about him will no> longer be seen in isolation.> > That Ramadoss has an agenda here can not be denied!> > regards,> R.......> "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest

of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.

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July 11, 2006

Dear Jagannath:

By your searching questions you have given us a complete diagnosis of a sick man called

Dr. Venugopal. I would call this very good "Nadi Pariksha" !!!

There is a minor mistake in the last para -- He is NOT the Chairman... The chairman, ex officio, is the

Health Minister. Dr. Venugopal is the Director.

Incidentally, how old is Venu and what is the retirement age at the AIIMS ?

Now we know why AIIMS is deteriorating.

Dr. Leo Rebello

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Jagannath Chatterjee

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:27 PM

AIIMS issue : 20 point failure of Dr P Venugopal.

Dear Sirs,

Many of you are up in arms that I have supported Dr Ramadoss in the tussle between him and Dr P Venugopal. My mailbox is full of mails critcising my views.

I am not in favour of the medical community in general as they are criminally silent regarding the many glaring shortcomings that the fraternity is facing today. Can anyone please let me know what steps Dr Venugopal has taken to address the following problems plaguing the industry?

1. The doctor-drug industry nexus.2. Lack of continuous education for doctors.3. Lack of exposure to and knowledge of other healing methods.4. Over medicating purely to achieve industry targets.5. Overusing the surgery room for increased profits.6. Prescribing unnecessary diagnostic tests.7. Lack of concern for the patients, treating them like commodities

and exploiting them mercilessly.8. Not raising voice against dubious and dangerous medical practices like vaccinations, body scans, x-rays, radiation, ultrasound, chemotherapy, ART in case of AIDS, GE drugs etc.9. Refusing to see the emerging evidence that bacteria and viruses cannot be the cause of disease.10.Not educating the public on healthy living.11.Not speaking out against the junk food and drinks industry.12.Not speaking out against pollution and environmental dangers

and related matters that affect health.13.Not revising the current health policy of the country which does not put adequate emphasis on hygiene, nutrition, prevention of illnesses and is woefully out of tune with ground realities.14.Not informing the patient about side effects of various medicines and medical procedures and obtaining informed consent before administering them.15.Complete failure in curbing chronic diseases, let alone cure them.16.Treating the condition without hunting for the cause.

17.The rising incidence of iatrogenic (medicine caused) diseases and deaths.

18.Creating unnecessary panic and fear of disease in patients.

19.Unnecessarily criticising proven holistic healing systems and trying to

convey that they are "dangerous" for health.

20.Retaining critical patients who they cannot cure instead of referring them

to other medical systems.

Now please tell me why I should support Dr Venugopal in his bid to retain the Chairmanship of our country's premier medical institution? I believe Dr Venugopal should be stripped of all his degrees and awards for keeping silent on the above issues, which are more important than the issue of who scores over whom in the present tussle over power.

Regards,Jagannath Chatterjee

Health Reform Activist.

July 11, 2006

Dr.Jagannath,

As a Homoeopath and Scientist, I totally agree with you your viewpoints in the matter of the apparent failures of Dr.Venugopal Rao.

We cannot ignore the fact that Allopathic doctors are trained in a definite predetermined direction and cannot apreciate other approaches like alternative systems..etc.

For a surgeon trained in Allopathic system and practising sincefour decades, Dr.Venugopal has done a commendable job, duly rewarded by international organisations as well as PadmaShri from our Country. And we have to hear stories of patients surviving after heart-transplants conducted by him for many years.

Anbumani is a OBC and his hatred for Brahmin Venugopal has played an important role in this hate campaign.

Dr.Venugopal excelled in his limited function as an able surgeon, administrator and above all human. His training does not allow him to view things in the perspective suggested by you.

On 7/11/06, Dr. Leo Rebello <leorebello wrote:

Dear Jagannath:

By your searching questions you have given us a complete diagnosis of a sick man called

Dr. Venugopal. I would call this very good " Nadi Pariksha " !!!

There is a minor mistake in the last para -- He is NOT the Chairman... The chairman, ex officio, is the

Health Minister. Dr. Venugopal is the Director.

Incidentally, how old is Venu and what is the retirement age

at the AIIMS ?

Now we know why AIIMS is deteriorating.

Dr. Leo Rebello

-

Jagannath Chatterjee

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:27 PM

AIIMS issue : 20 point failure of Dr P Venugopal.

Dear Sirs,

Many of you are up in arms that I have supported Dr Ramadoss in the tussle between him and Dr P Venugopal. My mailbox is full of mails critcising my views.

I am not in favour of the medical community in general as they are criminally silent regarding the many glaring shortcomings that the fraternity is facing today. Can anyone please let me know what steps Dr Venugopal has taken to address the following problems plaguing the industry?

1. The doctor-drug industry nexus.2. Lack of continuous education for doctors.3. Lack of exposure to and knowledge of other healing methods.4. Over medicating purely to achieve industry targets.5. Overusing the surgery room for increased profits.

6. Prescribing unnecessary diagnostic tests.7. Lack of concern for the patients, treating them like commodities

and exploiting them mercilessly.8. Not raising voice against dubious and dangerous medical practices like vaccinations, body scans, x-rays, radiation, ultrasound, chemotherapy, ART in case of AIDS, GE drugs etc.

9. Refusing to see the emerging evidence that bacteria and viruses cannot be the cause of disease.10.Not educating the public on healthy living.11.Not speaking out against the junk food and drinks industry.

12.Not speaking out against pollution and environmental dangers

and related matters that affect health.13.Not revising the current health policy of the country which does not put adequate emphasis on hygiene, nutrition, prevention of illnesses and is woefully out of tune with ground realities.

14.Not informing the patient about side effects of various medicines and medical procedures and obtaining informed consent before administering them.15.Complete failure in curbing chronic diseases, let alone cure them.

16.Treating the condition without hunting for the cause.

17.The rising incidence of iatrogenic (medicine caused) diseases and deaths.

18.Creating unnecessary panic and fear of disease in patients.

19.Unnecessarily criticising proven holistic healing systems and trying to

convey that they are " dangerous " for health.

20.Retaining critical patients who they cannot cure instead of referring them

to other medical systems.

Now please tell me why I should support Dr Venugopal in his bid to retain the Chairmanship of our country's premier medical institution? I believe Dr Venugopal should be stripped of all his degrees and awards for keeping silent on the above issues, which are more important than the issue of who scores over whom in the present tussle over power.

Regards,Jagannath Chatterjee

Health Reform Activist.

July 12, 2006

Dear Sundharajan, Forget Anbumani, forget Venugopal. I am simply trying to focus attention on the REAL issues that should be tackled by both the senior doctors and the health ministry. I am trying to point out that instead of politicking on minor issues and on personal dogfights they should instead rectify the health scenario of the country. I guess this is the problem with all sectors. The vital issues always get sidelined. If I would have simply focussed on the issues, very few would have gone through my post. But by putting it in the context of Ramadoss Vs Venugopal, I have got a much better response. Got it? Regards, Jagannath. anand sundharajan <ss.anand3 wrote: Hello

Jagannath, I dont know what you are trying to prove, I tried and tried and tried to understand, but you are only going round and round in circles. Let me ask you one basic doubt, as a layman. What has all this got to do with the way he was fired and humiliated and thrown out of AIIMS ?? Venugopal is a very scenior doctor of not less than 25 yrs experience ( the data may not be accurate ). Anbumani is a polititian of 2 years experience. Now a scenior doctor of 25 years is saying that he would quit the organisation out of protest, and a polititian of 2 years is least bothered about anything else other than his own personal views and vendetta, and in addition, is sacking that doctor. And above all, you are proclaiming that all this is right ???? Why dont you remove venugopal and anbumani from the scenario and put 2 people, one very scenior man and an inexperienced person in their place and try

to recreate the same scenario ???????? If Venugopal, according to you has not done justice to his duty, then he should be taken to task , no one denies that. But that has got no justification for what was done to him .... On 7/11/06, Jagannath Chatterjee <jagchat01 wrote: .

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July 12, 2006

Dear Arvindji, I appreciate your response. I write regularly to the concerned authorities who do not promise anything except that "they would look into the matter". Some even advise that I should not "spread panic" and "create unnecessary fear" in the people. The medical system is called the medical mafia by the doctors themselves many of whom now prefer visiting a holistic healer for themselves as well as their family's health. I try to create awareness on health topics with the fond hope that the government will allott more funds to other methods of treatment, make the right to choose your own mode of treatment a reality, will adress the many shortcomings of the holistic health sector,and make the dominant system less dangerous. I also campaign with the fond hope that our youth take to holistic healing so that the best brains of our

country devote themselves to healing people instead of killing them. Regards,Jagannath. IndianJustice , ask34amin wrote:>> > > Dear Jagannath Chetterji:> > I admire that you are a Health Reform Activist. I also appreciate your 20 > points snd/or questions for reforming our medical health system.> > In the US the medical practice system has almost bankrupted the Social > security of the US nation. Say one has a problem and visits the doctor. The > patients is charged about $150.00 for the visit, if x-rays or scans are thought to e > required, the doctor recommends the patient visit the facilities that offer > that kind of service. Also a prescription for medication is handed over to the > patient. For instance I myself has

a brain stroke that cost over $150,000.00 > in 2001. But today all costs have risen by about 30% more. The referral > system of the doctor increases the costs of service to the patient.> > I have heard that in India, we have a similar set up too. Majority of the > people cannot afford the cost of service by doctors, hospitals and of > pharmaceutical manufacturers.> > I feel that rather than presenting your 20 points to the general public, I > recommend that you write a respectful letter with your 20 points to Dr. > Venugopal, requesting his answer as to how he intends to resolve the issues you have raised in your email.> > Please bear in mind that we are no longer a Secular Democracy. Our polity > has from day one of our independence has turned out nation into Lootocracy, > Goondocracy that also delivered two genocide in our nation

-- in Delhi on innocent > Sikhs in 1984 and on innocent Muslims in Gujarat 2002. The pure and beautiful > India given to us by our forefathers is now involved in crimes, corruption > rapes and murders that includes our government as well as the general population > too. We have become a nation of liars and cheaters. Instead of Satyamway > Jayante, we are today, truth-less with greed for money and power.> > Until, we the people kick out our Mafia polity, their won't any solutions to > India's ills. You are welcome to prove me wrong.> > Kind regards,> > Arvind Amin.> ask34 "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." -

Aurobindo.

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