Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 But i guess if we have spent most of our lives studying why we are here, we just get on & do the work we are here for, instead of either sitting in front of a pc writing about it or just plain wondering. I know I sit here for relaxation but it doesn't get my poor dogs and cats fed - and frankly the humans have to learn to look after themselves and develop a skerrick more common-sense, accountability and intelligence - its the creatures who we should be working for, to stop exploitation and decimation, cruelty and killing, to attract a better karma for humankind and a better life for all. This mess that can be called allopathy is possibly the karmic result of our cruelty and lack of awareness in regard to the creatures that walk the planet with us. So all the fighting there is for the establishment of a better health system, promotion of safer, better methods of treating the human condition may just be a waste of time when all that is required is for us to take better care of the animal kingdom (and the vegetable kingdom) and the "powers that be" - the spiritual ones I mean - will possibly take care of us and a natural evolution to the preferred medical disciplines may evolve. We will attract this to ourselves by our loving care of the creatures. Love and Light Jane - Jagannath Chatterjee Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:03 PM The need for God in our lives. The Need for God in our Lives Jagannath Chatterjee Despite our busy routines we often wonder about life. In the midst of intense activity we sometimes realise with a shock the purposeless nature of our instinct driven existence. Like a child searching for its parents we then look around searching for comfort. But the busy world has little time for us. The faces that look back at us are full of demands and expectations and not of unselfish caring love. This makes us wonder, what is life all about? A penniless dhoti clad Saint was asked the same question in the banks of the river Ganges. He smiled reassuringly and with the guilelessness of a small child replied, "You don't know? The purpose of life is to realise God". The youth who had popped the question was not satisfied. "What God Sir? Have you ever seen God?". The Saint smiled again, and rolled his beautiful eyes, "Yes, I have seen Him just as I see you now." The sceptic youth did not want to believe but something in the Saint's demeanour made him feel that there was an element of truth in his words. Had the youth been of today's generation he would have popped yet another question before being satisfied. He would have asked, "Why do we need God?". Perhaps the Saint would have shown a trifle impatience but would have said with the same enchanting smile, "Why do we need our parents?" God is our father and mother combined into one. He is even better than that because he is immortal, beyond death and decay, and also omnipotent, always at our beck and call. He resides in our heart and never leaves us for a second. Why do we not feel His presence? Because we do not stop to search. Because we a re not aware of His existence. Because we do not feel His absence. Because we do not believe in His love. Because we do not have faith in His spiritual all pervasiveness. Is God religion? No. Is God business? Woe to them who think so. Is God a measure of our superiority? It is foolish to assume of one who is the embodiment of humility. Is God power? Of what need is power when you have Him? Then what is God? Is he love, friendship, or what? God is simply the overpowering presence that created us, sustains us and is ready to welcome us into His bosom when our work on this plane is over. As I said, God is our combined father and mother, more than the sumtotal of all the blessings of this world. Why have we forgotten such a wonderful presence? Because we are too busy with ourselves. Because out of an error of perception we assume ourselves to be the masters of this universe. The master of a house was supervising a festival in his palace. Someone called out to him to get an item from the store. He went there but found his servant busy within. Silently he moved away, just as God moves away when he finds us behaving like the masters of His wonderful creation. But there are times when the child is tired of his toys. He then thursts them away and runs crying to his mother. His mother then leaves whatever she is doing to clasp the child into her bosom. The child stops crying. It does not have his toys anymore but his instinct tells him that his present state is worth more than all the toys of the world. Even if you offered toys to him now he would brush them away with an impatient wave of his hand. God is waiting for us to stop playing with our toys. He is waiting for us to turn our attention from them momentarily and seek Him within the recesses of our heart. The resulting union is an infinite sourc e of joy for both. It is the union of the Absolute with the Absolute. It is like one huge ocean merging with another with a joyful rush of waters that dissolve silently into each other to become one, turning frothy with rippling peals of laughter. It is a fulfilling experience that rejuvenates us, makes us forget our petty worries, our enmities, our differences, our selfishness, our stresses and strains, our ambitions, our greed for money and more assets, our helplessness, our weaknesses, our illnesses, our wrong association with the impermanent body and mind, and reminds us about the infinite nature of our existence. A spiritual aspirant was walking briskly with a Saint as they rushed to catch a train. The aspirant secretly wanted the Saint to accept him as a disciple. But he was hesitant to ask. He could only seethe with turmoil as they waited in the station for the train to arrive, unable to pick up the courage to pop the request. At last the train arrived and the Saint stepped into the compartment. At this moment the aspirant burst out, "Master when will you accept me?" The Saint turned back and smiled. He replied with a miscievous twinkle in his lotus like eyes, "What is the hurry? There is all eternity!!" The aspirant could immediately sense the infinite nature of their relationship. All his longings vanished and he smiled back. The Guru had accepted the disciple in this life. ------------ jagchat01 "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. Brings words and photos together (easily) withPhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Jane, The idea expressed by you has already been tried successfuly and this author is apart of this movement. What Akalpita proposed is also tried on a large scale here in India, in Maharashtra. Approximately twenty years ago, a group of devoted workers attending a discourse by Dongare Maharaj, at the end met him and asked " we would like to do something for mankind, what should we do " " Do something for cows going to slaughethouses in thousands per day " , he answered and closed eyes indicating no further intention to elaborate on what he said. The group started a Goushala, but difficulties in running it taught them several things. Farming techniques, Panch Gavya medicines, village health all fields they have improved. Several volunteers have been trained, infertile lands have been made fertile, organic farming now covers complete Akola district and in next five years, perhaps all Maharashtra may be organic. Many retired medical officers from Health centres have joined this movement. Medicines are made from cow urine, cowdung, herbs. Medical herb garden, Vedshala (A school for learning Vedas), special farms for preparing cow fodder, convalscence homes for cows which are sick due to cruelty at slaughter house are all of-shoots. Every year once 8 to 10 thousand volunteers from villages are offered free training on organic farming, making Panch Gavya medicines, their dispensing to sick, basic naturopathy, preliminary diagnosis etc. The movement is spreading from village to village. Training material is just few booklets, simple to understand andpractice. Be it farming, making medicines, diagnosis or administration of medicines, everything in the village, by the villager and benificiaries are villagers. With 80% of India's population in villages, the action has to be in villages. They are not blinded by allopathy, dazzle/mystery of diagnostic machines or clean looking pills in attractive packings. They very well know damage done by chemicals to the soil. And villagers seem to be more intelligent in comparing soil with human body. It is indeed fortunate that villagers do not spend time before PCs and get misled by internet. Nature is their teacher. If any scheme suggested by us has to work, it should study such successful model first. This model is now duplicated at various Goushalas all over Maharashtra, Rajastan, U.P., M.P., Bihar. South India is also falling in line slowly, Coorg district started it already. The scheme of Panch Gavya medicines is spreading like fire in forest, as chronic and " incurable in alloptahy " diseases like Cancer, diabetes, T.B., Asthma are getting fast cures in countryside. The medicines are now available in most northern Indian cities and cityfolks are also using them. Thanks to all TV Gurus like Baba Ramdev who made Panch Gavya popular. Dr Bhate Dr Bhate They , " Jane MacRoss " <HIGHFIELD wrote: > > But i guess if we have spent most of our lives studying why we are here, we just get on & do the work we are here for, instead of either sitting in front of a pc writing about it or just plain wondering. I know I sit here for relaxation but it doesn't get my poor dogs and cats fed - and frankly the humans have to learn to look after themselves and develop a skerrick more common-sense, accountability and intelligence - its the creatures who we should be working for, to stop exploitation and decimation, cruelty and killing, to attract a better karma for humankind and a better life for all. > > This mess that can be called allopathy is possibly the karmic result of our cruelty and lack of awareness in regard to the creatures that walk the planet with us. > > So all the fighting there is for the establishment of a better health system, promotion of safer, better methods of treating the human condition may just be a waste of time when all that is required is for us to take better care of the animal kingdom (and the vegetable kingdom) and the " powers that be " - the spiritual ones I mean - will possibly take care of us and a natural evolution to the preferred medical disciplines may evolve. We will attract this to ourselves by our loving care of the creatures. > > Love and Light > > Jane > - > Jagannath Chatterjee > Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:03 PM > The need for God in our lives. > > > The Need for God in our Lives > Jagannath Chatterjee > > Despite our busy routines we often wonder about life. In the midst of intense activity we sometimes realise with a shock the purposeless nature of our instinct driven existence. Like a child searching for its parents we then look around searching for comfort. But the busy world has little time for us. The faces that look back at us are full of demands and expectations and not of unselfish caring love. This makes us wonder, what is life all about? > > A penniless dhoti clad Saint was asked the same question in the banks of the river Ganges. He smiled reassuringly and with the guilelessness of a small child replied, " You don't know? The purpose of life is to realise God " . The youth who had popped the question was not satisfied. " What God Sir? Have you ever seen God? " . The Saint smiled again, and rolled his beautiful eyes, " Yes, I have seen Him just as I see you now. " The sceptic youth did not want to believe but something in the Saint's demeanour made him feel that there was an element of truth in his words. > > Had the youth been of today's generation he would have popped yet another question before being satisfied. He would have asked, " Why do we need God? " . Perhaps the Saint would have shown a trifle impatience but would have said with the same enchanting smile, " Why do we need our parents? " > > God is our father and mother combined into one. He is even better than that because he is immortal, beyond death and decay, and also omnipotent, always at our beck and call. He resides in our heart and never leaves us for a second. Why do we not feel His presence? Because we do not stop to search. Because we a re not aware of His existence. Because we do not feel His absence. Because we do not believe in His love. Because we do not have faith in His spiritual all pervasiveness. > > Is God religion? No. Is God business? Woe to them who think so. Is God a measure of our superiority? It is foolish to assume of one who is the embodiment of humility. Is God power? Of what need is power when you have Him? Then what is God? Is he love, friendship, or what? God is simply the overpowering presence that created us, sustains us and is ready to welcome us into His bosom when our work on this plane is over. As I said, God is our combined father and mother, more than the sumtotal of all the blessings of this world. > > Why have we forgotten such a wonderful presence? Because we are too busy with ourselves. Because out of an error of perception we assume ourselves to be the masters of this universe. The master of a house was supervising a festival in his palace. Someone called out to him to get an item from the store. He went there but found his servant busy within. Silently he moved away, just as God moves away when he finds us behaving like the masters of His wonderful creation. > > But there are times when the child is tired of his toys. He then thursts them away and runs crying to his mother. His mother then leaves whatever she is doing to clasp the child into her bosom. The child stops crying. It does not have his toys anymore but his instinct tells him that his present state is worth more than all the toys of the world. Even if you offered toys to him now he would brush them away with an impatient wave of his hand. > > God is waiting for us to stop playing with our toys. He is waiting for us to turn our attention from them momentarily and seek Him within the recesses of our heart. The resulting union is an infinite sourc e of joy for both. It is the union of the Absolute with the Absolute. It is like one huge ocean merging with another with a joyful rush of waters that dissolve silently into each other to become one, turning frothy with rippling peals of laughter. It is a fulfilling experience that rejuvenates us, makes us forget our petty worries, our enmities, our differences, our selfishness, our stresses and strains, our ambitions, our greed for money and more assets, our helplessness, our weaknesses, our illnesses, our wrong association with the impermanent body and mind, and reminds us about the infinite nature of our existence. > > A spiritual aspirant was walking briskly with a Saint as they rushed to catch a train. The aspirant secretly wanted the Saint to accept him as a disciple. But he was hesitant to ask. He could only seethe with turmoil as they waited in the station for the train to arrive, unable to pick up the courage to pop the request. At last the train arrived and the Saint stepped into the compartment. At this moment the aspirant burst out, " Master when will you accept me? " The Saint turned back and smiled. He replied with a miscievous twinkle in his lotus like eyes, " What is the hurry? There is all eternity!! " The aspirant could immediately sense the infinite nature of their relationship. All his longings vanished and he smiled back. The Guru had accepted the disciple in this life. > > ------------------------ > jagchat01 > > > > > > " Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit. " - Aurobindo. > > > > -- ---------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Thankyou Dr Bhate for this wonderful information - I know Western Homeopaths look to India to lead the way in Homeopathic Medicine and remedy preparation and have done so for many years - I am amazed that cows are slaughtered in India having thought they were sacred. I was looking through the Jain sites on google to see if I could get some guidance re feeding my carnivorous creatures - without killing yet more creatures for them. The balance of nature is already grossly upset but all killing must stop before the karma involved eradicates the human population by whatever means may be quickest, and as Jagannath has forcibly shown us - at present allopathy seems to be the answer to finish humankind as we know it. Kindest Regards Jane - Shirish Bhate Friday, February 24, 2006 2:30 PM Re: God is our lives. Jane,The idea expressed by you has already been tried successfuly and this author is apart of this movement. What Akalpita proposed is also tried on a large scale here in India, in Maharashtra. Approximately twenty years ago, a group of devoted workers attending a discourse by Dongare Maharaj, at the end met him and asked "we would like to do something for mankind, what should we do""Do something for cows going to slaughethouses in thousands per day", he answered and closed eyes indicating no further intention to elaborate on what he said.The group started a Goushala, but difficulties in running it taught them several things. Farming techniques, Panch Gavya medicines, village health all fields they have improved. Several volunteers have been trained, infertile lands have been made fertile, organic farming now covers complete Akola district and in next five years, perhaps all Maharashtra may be organic.Many retired medical officers from Health centres have joined this movement. Medicines are made from cow urine, cowdung, herbs. Medical herb garden, Vedshala (A school for learning Vedas), special farms for preparing cow fodder, convalscence homes for cows which are sick due to cruelty at slaughter house are all of-shoots. Every year once 8 to 10 thousand volunteers from villages are offered free training on organic farming, making Panch Gavya medicines, their dispensing to sick, basic naturopathy, preliminary diagnosis etc.The movement is spreading from village to village. Training material is just few booklets, simple to understand andpractice. Be it farming, making medicines, diagnosis or administration of medicines, everything in the village, by the villager and benificiaries are villagers.With 80% of India's population in villages, the action has to be in villages. They are not blinded by allopathy, dazzle/mystery of diagnostic machines or clean looking pills in attractive packings. They very well know damage done by chemicals to the soil. And villagers seem to be more intelligent in comparing soil with human body.It is indeed fortunate that villagers do not spend time before PCs and get misled by internet. Nature is their teacher. If any scheme suggested by us has to work, it should study such successful model first. This model is now duplicated at various Goushalas all over Maharashtra, Rajastan, U.P., M.P., Bihar. South India is also falling in line slowly, Coorg district started it already.The scheme of Panch Gavya medicines is spreading like fire in forest, as chronic and "incurable in alloptahy" diseases like Cancer, diabetes, T.B., Asthma are getting fast cures in countryside. The medicines are now available in most northern Indian cities and cityfolks are also using them. Thanks to all TV Gurus like Baba Ramdev who made Panch Gavya popular.Dr BhateDr BhateThey , "Jane MacRoss" <HIGHFIELD wrote:>> But i guess if we have spent most of our lives studying why we are here, we just get on & do the work we are here for, instead of either sitting in front of a pc writing about it or just plain wondering. I know I sit here for relaxation but it doesn't get my poor dogs and cats fed - and frankly the humans have to learn to look after themselves and develop a skerrick more common-sense, accountability and intelligence - its the creatures who we should be working for, to stop exploitation and decimation, cruelty and killing, to attract a better karma for humankind and a better life for all. > > This mess that can be called allopathy is possibly the karmic result of our cruelty and lack of awareness in regard to the creatures that walk the planet with us. > > So all the fighting there is for the establishment of a better health system, promotion of safer, better methods of treating the human condition may just be a waste of time when all that is required is for us to take better care of the animal kingdom (and the vegetable kingdom) and the "powers that be" - the spiritual ones I mean - will possibly take care of us and a natural evolution to the preferred medical disciplines may evolve. We will attract this to ourselves by our loving care of the creatures.> > Love and Light> > Jane> - > Jagannath Chatterjee > Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:03 PM> The need for God in our lives.> > > The Need for God in our Lives> Jagannath Chatterjee> > Despite our busy routines we often wonder about life. In the midst of intense activity we sometimes realise with a shock the purposeless nature of our instinct driven existence. Like a child searching for its parents we then look around searching for comfort. But the busy world has little time for us. The faces that look back at us are full of demands and expectations and not of unselfish caring love. This makes us wonder, what is life all about?> > A penniless dhoti clad Saint was asked the same question in the banks of the river Ganges. He smiled reassuringly and with the guilelessness of a small child replied, "You don't know? The purpose of life is to realise God". The youth who had popped the question was not satisfied. "What God Sir? Have you ever seen God?". The Saint smiled again, and rolled his beautiful eyes, "Yes, I have seen Him just as I see you now." The sceptic youth did not want to believe but something in the Saint's demeanour made him feel that there was an element of truth in his words.> > Had the youth been of today's generation he would have popped yet another question before being satisfied. He would have asked, "Why do we need God?". Perhaps the Saint would have shown a trifle impatience but would have said with the same enchanting smile, "Why do we need our parents?"> > God is our father and mother combined into one. He is even better than that because he is immortal, beyond death and decay, and also omnipotent, always at our beck and call. He resides in our heart and never leaves us for a second. Why do we not feel His presence? Because we do not stop to search. Because we a re not aware of His existence. Because we do not feel His absence. Because we do not believe in His love. Because we do not have faith in His spiritual all pervasiveness.> > Is God religion? No. Is God business? Woe to them who think so. Is God a measure of our superiority? It is foolish to assume of one who is the embodiment of humility. Is God power? Of what need is power when you have Him? Then what is God? Is he love, friendship, or what? God is simply the overpowering presence that created us, sustains us and is ready to welcome us into His bosom when our work on this plane is over. As I said, God is our combined father and mother, more than the sumtotal of all the blessings of this world.> > Why have we forgotten such a wonderful presence? Because we are too busy with ourselves. Because out of an error of perception we assume ourselves to be the masters of this universe. The master of a house was supervising a festival in his palace. Someone called out to him to get an item from the store. He went there but found his servant busy within. Silently he moved away, just as God moves away when he finds us behaving like the masters of His wonderful creation.> > But there are times when the child is tired of his toys. He then thursts them away and runs crying to his mother. His mother then leaves whatever she is doing to clasp the child into her bosom. The child stops crying. It does not have his toys anymore but his instinct tells him that his present state is worth more than all the toys of the world. Even if you offered toys to him now he would brush them away with an impatient wave of his hand.> > God is waiting for us to stop playing with our toys. He is waiting for us to turn our attention from them momentarily and seek Him within the recesses of our heart. The resulting union is an infinite sourc e of joy for both. It is the union of the Absolute with the Absolute. It is like one huge ocean merging with another with a joyful rush of waters that dissolve silently into each other to become one, turning frothy with rippling peals of laughter. It is a fulfilling experience that rejuvenates us, makes us forget our petty worries, our enmities, our differences, our selfishness, our stresses and strains, our ambitions, our greed for money and more assets, our helplessness, our weaknesses, our illnesses, our wrong association with the impermanent body and mind, and reminds us about the infinite nature of our existence.> > A spiritual aspirant was walking briskly with a Saint as they rushed to catch a train. The aspirant secretly wanted the Saint to accept him as a disciple. But he was hesitant to ask. He could only seethe with turmoil as they waited in the station for the train to arrive, unable to pick up the courage to pop the request. At last the train arrived and the Saint stepped into the compartment. At this moment the aspirant burst out, "Master when will you accept me?" The Saint turned back and smiled. He replied with a miscievous twinkle in his lotus like eyes, "What is the hurry? There is all eternity!!" The aspirant could immediately sense the infinite nature of their relationship. All his longings vanished and he smiled back. The Guru had accepted the disciple in this life.> > ------------> jagchat01 > > > > > > "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo.> > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with> PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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