Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 Hi Richard I don't know if this will be of any assistance but here goes ...........A while ago someone faxed me some info on Rosehip Oil which stated that a Dr Hans Harbst who is a surgeon and radiotherapist presently practising in Chile says that he uses Rose Hip Oil for treating skin alterations especially secondary dermatititis which take place as a result of radiotherapy. He say " I have applied Rose Hip Oil on all types of skin. Rose Hip Oil acts on scars reducing hyperpigmentation, flattening hypertrophia (bulky scars) and loosening up fibrous cords. All these effects end up in a near complete attetnuation of scars. " In addition there was another article saying that in 1988 two doctors published their findings in a paper titled Contributions to Identification and Application of Active Components Conteined in Rose Aff. Rubiginosa. The authors were Dr Bertha Pareja, Principal Professor, Faculty of Pharmacology and Biochemistry, University of San Marcos, Lima Peru and Dr Horst Kehl, from the School of Pharmacology of the University of Missouri, Kansas City. They go on to explain how tests were done on woman aged between 25 - 35 who had surface wrinkles and brown spots. They were controlled and assessed during the summer of 1988, all applied rose hip oil on the face for four months. Apparently significant changes were noticed by the third week. Firstly surface wrinkles started to disappear, spots started to fade until at the end of the fourth month the disappearance was complete. Skin presented a smooth and fresh aspect and the spots had almost disappeared. Whether or not this is a load of HOGWASH in an effort to make people buy Rose Hip Oil I couldn't say Richard but perhaps Butch Owen or some other knowledgeable person can shed some light. I think it might be worth doing a bit of research. Let me know how you go. Moira Jhb S.A. - Richard <richard.aromatherapy Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:00 AM [AX] Children and old chicken pox scars > Hi everyone, > > Time to pick a few brains here. > > Has anyone any thoughts/experience about trying to help alleviate residual > scarring from chicken pox - the scars are 3 years old and haven't responded > to the conventional treatment offered and tried. > > I have some experience (normally very successful) reducing old surgical > scars (some near ten years old) but haven't specifically tackled this > before. > > Stay well ..... Richard > http://www.aromarich.btinternet.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 - Moira du Toit <dunmor Friday, September 07, 2001 10:17 AM Re: [AX] Children and old chicken pox scars > Hi Richard > > I don't know if this will be of any assistance but here goes ...........A > while ago someone faxed me some info on Rosehip Oil which stated that a Dr > Hans Harbst who is a surgeon and radiotherapist presently practising in > Chile says that he uses Rose Hip Oil for treating skin alterations > especially secondary dermatititis which take place as a result of > radiotherapy. He say " I have applied Rose Hip Oil on all types of skin. > Rose Hip Oil acts on scars reducing hyperpigmentation, flattening > hypertrophia (bulky scars) and loosening up fibrous cords. All these > effects end up in a near complete attetnuation of scars. " > > In addition there was another article saying that in 1988 two doctors > published their findings in a paper titled Contributions to Identification > and Application of Active Components Conteined in Rose Aff. Rubiginosa. The > authors were Dr Bertha Pareja, Principal Professor, Faculty of Pharmacology > and Biochemistry, University of San Marcos, Lima Peru and Dr Horst Kehl, > from the School of Pharmacology of the University of Missouri, Kansas City. > They go on to explain how tests were done on woman aged between 25 - 35 who > had surface wrinkles and brown spots. They were controlled and assessed > during the summer of 1988, all applied rose hip oil on the face for four > months. Apparently significant changes were noticed by the third week. > Firstly surface wrinkles started to disappear, spots started to fade until > at the end of the fourth month the disappearance was complete. Skin > presented a smooth and fresh aspect and the spots had almost disappeared. > > Whether or not this is a load of HOGWASH in an effort to make people buy > Rose Hip Oil I couldn't say Richard but perhaps Butch Owen or some other > knowledgeable person can shed some light. I think it might be worth doing a > bit of research. Let me know how you go. > > Moira > Jhb S.A. > Hi Moira, I am aware of some of the research you quote and I have used rose hip seed oil in therapy to help reduce _surgical_ scar tissue (both old and new) with very good results. Many therapists in the UK have experienced the same so I certainly don't think it is _hogwash_. In fact this oil is on my 'hit list' (with another) as a contender for the base oil in this particular application. Moira, if I finalise something for this enquiry and application I will let you know how it goes. Thank you for your input ..... Richard IFA, AOC/UK > > - > Richard <richard.aromatherapy > > Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:00 AM > [AX] Children and old chicken pox scars > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Time to pick a few brains here. > > > > Has anyone any thoughts/experience about trying to help alleviate residual > > scarring from chicken pox - the scars are 3 years old and haven't > responded > > to the conventional treatment offered and tried. > > > > I have some experience (normally very successful) reducing old surgical > > scars (some near ten years old) but haven't specifically tackled this > > before. > > > > Stay well ..... Richard > > http://www.aromarich.btinternet.co.uk > > > > > ************************************************** > UPDATE: > Sig Lines: Commercial Sig lines are equal to advertising. Please do not display your link to your commercial website in your Sig line. > Your can add your commercial site to the " links " section only. It is there for you so please use it. > www./links/ > > QUICK TIPS: Send your quick tips to > -owner > > The intention of this list is to provide up-to-date information concerning the safe use of Aromatherapy, and is not intended to replace the advice or attention of the proper health care professionals. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2001 Report Share Posted September 10, 2001 Hi Moira, Richard, the rest of y'all, There has been a lot of support for Rose Hip Seed Oil as a carrier, with Helichrysum italicum and Carrot Seed (Daucas carota) as the active EO in dealing with old scars. Dr. Vivian Lunny wrote on it some years back and I have a piece of work from a Brazilian University that supports this - but I have other research from South America that is garbage so! In addition, one of my customers - a medical doctor, recently wrote me on Helichrysum italicum saying, " I have great use for it in strain and sprains. Mix it with Rose Otto and you have a great blend for those with Cancer preparing for their departure. It is worth every penny to me. It's also good for dealing with scars - even old scars - helps skin cells to regenerate. " One of my employees had an auto accident last year - young gal - has a scar just under her bottom lip. She's been using Helichrysum italicum with Fractionated Coconut Oil (Cocos nucifera) for 4 months and there is noticeable difference .. the scar is slowing blending into the skin! > I don't know if this will be of any assistance but *** a while ago > someone faxed me some info on Rosehip Oil which stated that a Dr. > Hans Harbst *** surgeon and radiotherapist *** practising in Chile > *** uses Rose Hip Oil for treating skin alterations especially > secondary dermatititis which take place as a result of radiotherapy. > He say " I have applied Rose Hip Oil on all types of skin. Rose Hip > Oil acts on scars reducing hyperpigmentation, flattening hypertrophia > (bulky scars) and loosening up fibrous cords. All these effects end > up in a near complete attetnuation of scars. " It's likely that he has obtained such results. I've not read this one but I've heard a lot of similar tales. > *** was another article saying that in 1988 two doctors published > their findings in a paper titled Contributions to Identification and > Application of Active Components Conteined in Rose Aff. Rubiginosa. > The authors were Dr Bertha Pareja, Principal Professor, Faculty of > Pharmacology and Biochemistry, University of San Marcos, Lima Peru and > Dr Horst Kehl, from the School of Pharmacology of the University of > Missouri, Kansas City. > They *** explain how tests were done on woman aged between 25-35 who > had surface wrinkles and brown spots. They were controlled and > assessed during the summer of 1988, all applied rose hip oil on the > face for four months. Apparently significant changes were noticed by > the third week. > Firstly surface wrinkles started to disappear, spots started to fade > until at the end of the fourth month the disappearance was complete. > Skin presented a smooth and fresh aspect and the spots had almost > disappeared. > Whether or not this is a load of HOGWASH in an effort to make people > buy Rose Hip Oil I couldn't say Richard but perhaps Butch Owen or some > other knowledgeable person can shed some light. I think it might be > worth doing a bit of research. Let me know how you go. Sounds too good to be true - huh? I would be a bit suspect of that test due the short period of testing plus it smells of commercial motivation. I have read of a similar test using only extra-virgin olive oil - there were great results so we might be dealing with fatty acid application and a long-term follow-up would be in order. I commented on a poor study today - " Randomized Trial of Aromatherapy: Successful Treatment for Alopecia Areata. " Used eighty-six patients randomized into 2 groups. Active group massaged EOs of thyme, rosemary, lavender, and cedarwood in a mixture of jojoba and grapeseed into their scalp daily. Control group massaged only carrier oils, also daily. Conclusion was that the EO combination produced more hair .. problem was they couldn't know which chemical components absorbed or which EO was effective vs which wasn't .. (a similar test was conducted in Scotland years back using Rosemary only - and it worked) but worse yet, they had no way for subjects to keep from inhaling the volatile vapors. Their conclusion was like - Aromatherapy works with these EOs! Hogwash for sure as it was probably a result of olfactory introduction of molecules that had immunostimulant properties. I believe we might soon see a high-priced toiletry hit the market based on that study. This study was terribly flawed - I hit only the high points. TOO MANY universities are without funds for research so they can easily become influenced by those who will finance study - normally a pharmaceutical company or other commercial entity. There is no shortage of literature showing twisted test results - overlooked variables that can disprove the results are sometimes swept off the table and put in a drawer. Why do the other scientists not criticize this? Because the folks who live in glass houses .. etc., etc. As for tests using EOs in dermal application - the facts of absorption are not facts - they are merely beliefs - takes a lotta assuming if we assume the more than 600 identified chemicals in Rose Otto will absorb. All don't absorb so we have to accept that if we believe absorption is an effective means of healing, then belief in the necessity of a perfect synergy in EOs is but a popular urban rumor ... ;-p I'm leaning toward Helichrysum italicum and Carrot Seed in Rosehip and even without the Carrot Seed .. there's empirical support there - as well as anecdotic. And I'll bet Richard has already tried this. ;-p Y'all keep smiling, Butch > Moira > Jhb S.A. ---------------------------- > Richard <richard.aromatherapy > > Has anyone any thoughts/experience about trying to help alleviate > > residual scarring from chicken pox - the scars are 3 years old and > > haven't responded to the conventional treatment offered and tried. > > > > I have some experience (normally very successful) reducing old > > surgical scars (some near ten years old) but haven't specifically > > tackled this before. > > > > Stay well ..... Richard > > http://www.aromarich.btinternet.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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