You folks are way too scary for me!

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In a message dated 01/13/2000 3:25:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

whitefawn writes:

 

<< " White Fawn " <whitefawn

 

I suppose this will be my first and last post here, as some of you folks are

so dangerous and uninformed, and others of you gobble this misinformation

like manna.

>>

White Fawn

All voices need to be heard...... I encourage you to stay.....

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Hello there, the reason for my posting is not too look for a cure for

diabetes, I am fully aware it is a chronic illness that affects a lot people,

I am only interested in looking at the research that is available in order to

present a reasonable argument. I am truly sorry if I have offended or upset

anyone. I was just looking to the group for help.

 

Sam

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I suppose this will be my first and last post here, as some of you folks are so

dangerous and uninformed, and others of you gobble this misinformation like

manna.

 

Diabetes is not cured by a regimen of herbal preparations--in Type I diabetes,

if insulin is not administered on a regular basis in quantities determined by

blood glucose monitoring, the patient will die. Not, " might " die--WILL die.

The cells of the pancreas are no longer able to manufacture insulin in this type

of diabetes. The information in the post below is not food for thought--it is

criminally negligent hogwash.

 

 

-

Lynne O'Larey

Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:22 PM

[AX] Help, please!

 

 

" Lynne O'Larey " <health

 

According to Hulda Clark in her book " The Cure For

All Diseases " she states that diabetes is caused

by the pancreatic fluke of cattle, Eurytrema " She

also states that you can get rid of almost all

parasites by taking a regimen of black walnut

tincture, cloves capsules (only thing that will

kill eggs), and wormwood.

 

Probably too extreme for college classes

 

Here's some other things she claims are caused by

parasites

Seizures - roundworm, Ascaris - in the brain

Schizophrenia and depression are caused by

parasites in the brain.

Asthma - Ascaris in the lungs

Migraines - threadworm, Strongyloides

Acne rosacea - Leishmania

Much human heart disease caused by dog heartworm,

Dirofilaria

Cancer - intestinal fluke and wood (household)

alcohol.

and the list goes on

 

Food for thought.

 

Lynne

 

SNartey wrote:

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> SNartey

>

> Hey everyone this is only my second ever post here, and my request is a bit

of a long shot, for my work I am doing a short course on diabetes and have to

write an essay. As I am interested in complementary therapies, I thought about

incorporating that into it, and was wondering if anyone had any information, or

somewhere I could look for it.

>

> Thank you in advance

>

> Sam

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

relax, toots. none of this is carved in stone. it's called information

pooling.

anyone who stops taking prescribed insuliin is probably improving the

intelligence fo the race anyway.

 

Dennis

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In a message dated 1/13/2000 3:25:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

whitefawn writes:

 

<< I suppose this will be my first and last post here, as some of you folks

are so dangerous and uninformed, and others of you gobble this misinformation

like manna. >>

 

Hulda Clark is a dangerous quack, and I too find it scary that people buy

into her " theories. " I'm an herbalist and Clark is the kind of person who

gives " alternative medicine " a bad name. She was recently arrested for

practicing medicine without a license. After testing an undercover agent for

the Aids virus with her bizarre zapper gadget, she told him that he is HIV+

(which he is not) but that she would probably be able to " cure " him. She

actually claims that her zapper is a more accurate diagnosis tool for

HIV/Aids than blood tests. At the very least, her actions are highly

irresponsible. After all, people have committed suicide after being informed

that they are HIV+.

Of course parasites can cause certain health problems, but it's ludicrous to

claim that all diseases from cancer and diabetes to schizophrenia and Aids

are caused by parasites. And, believe me, if someone had found a cure for

cancer or Aids, we would all know about it. This kind of discovery would

make international headlines!

 

Regards,

Sasha

Naturally Reared German Wirehaired Pointers

GWPsNaturally

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Dear Sasha,

 

 

I have known people who had patented real products that could bring

about real change in human and animal health. Guess what? They

either have not been able to get EPA and/or FDA approval because of

industrial sabotage from the big Corporate types or some big

financially loaded type person or company comes along and buys their

patent (for just enough to allow the person who did all the work the

freedom to eat and pay rent again for a while) giving them loads of

acclaim for all of their hard work and build them up to believe that

they will not only get the purchase money but also royalties.

NOT!!!!!!!! The patent then is shelved. Small price for status quo.

There is a big business in keeping our citizens health status quo.

Hulda Clark isn't as big a problem as many other venues that Insurance

does pay for. I'm not a fan of Hulda Clark either way. But to allow

ourselves to be so " sure " that the drug companies and our governments

and all are truly doing the best they can to heal

'dis-ease'................ Sorry, I don't buy it!

 

Best to you,

 

Lynn

 

GWPsNaturally [GWPsNaturally]

Friday, January 14, 2000 5:40 PM

 

.. And, believe me, if someone had found a cure for

cancer or Aids, we would all know about it. This kind of discovery

would

make international headlines!

 

Regards,

Sasha

Naturally Reared German Wirehaired Pointers

GWPsNaturally

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/2000 6:45:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lbedri writes:

 

<< I'm not a fan of Hulda Clark either way. But to allow

ourselves to be so " sure " that the drug companies and our governments

and all are truly doing the best they can to heal

'dis-ease'................ Sorry, I don't buy it! >>

 

I don't buy it either; however, I have worked with many people with HIV/Aids

who have investigated all types of alternative treatments and if they had

found that Hulda Clark's " therapy " was effective, the news would have spread

like wildfire! Let's not get too paranoid here. Clark's books are openly

for sale in most of the mega book stores that are owned by big corporations.

Her " theories " are by no means secret information that is in any way hard to

come by.

Sorry, but the way this woman preys on terminally ill people truly sickens

me. I'm not a fan of our medical licensing laws, but people like Clark

certainly make a good case for those in favor of these laws.

 

Regards,

Sasha

Naturally Reared German Wirehaired Pointers

GWPsNaturally

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In a message dated 1/15/2000 11:12:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

lbedri writes:

 

<< By the way, if any of the HIV folks have found benefit by her stuff,

I truly doubt that anyone would proclaim it. They would quietly share

it with friends and let it grow quietly. As a friend of mine who does

have AIDS has said, going south of the border means you can't tell

your doctor everything you are doing! >>

 

Yes, but I'm not a doctor; I'm an herbalist who's very open to alternative

treatment approaches. I know dozens of people with HIV or Aids, and some of

them have, in their desperation, tried Clark's zapper and herbal parasite

treatments. Were they cured? Well, of course not. Would they have told

others if they had been cured? You bet!

 

Unfortunately I find that while many holistically-minded people are very

quick to question all conventional/allopathic medical treatments and theories

(often justifiably so), they don't apply the same skepticism to so-called

alternative or natural therapies. That's why the Hulda Clarks and Gary

Youngs of this world are raking in the bucks and giving holistic medicine a

bad name in the process. Take aromatherapy, for example. There is so much

misinformation about AT out there and so many people ( " Dr " Gary is certainly

not the only guilty party) are making outrageous health claims about the

healing power of certain EOs without a shred of evidence to back up those

claims that I'm not surprised that we're not being taken seriously by more

people.

 

Way too many people blindly follow their doctors' advice; let's not make a

similar mistake and accept something as 'true' or 'probably true' just

because the person advancing the theory is active in the field of holistic

medicine and dislikes the medical status quo as much as we do. If someone

makes a claim as extraordinary as " I've found the cure for all diseases, " all

warning lights should start flashing!

 

Regards,

Sasha

Naturally Reared German Wirehaired Pointers

GWPsNaturally

[Guest guest]

but... what if ALL of her claiims aren't exxagerated? what if

micro-currents DO have SOME effect on pathenogens?

have you checked? even a busted clock is right twice a day.

 

Dennis

[Guest guest]

Point well taken. Whether she is cutting edge or wacky, there are

definitely points that naturopathic doctors have been touting for a

very long time. We do know that living near/under electrical wires

causes havoc with health. And that those same electrical frequencies,

used in different ways, can bring about a more healthy environment.

She doesn't scare me like some other do. And I don't believe in

falling prey to fear stuff.

 

By the way, if any of the HIV folks have found benefit by her stuff,

I truly doubt that anyone would proclaim it. They would quietly share

it with friends and let it grow quietly. As a friend of mine who does

have AIDS has said, going south of the border means you can't tell

your doctor everything you are doing! So when his doctor stands

amazed each year (11 years now since being diagnosed!) he just smiles

and goes about doing combination treatments of whatever he feels right

for him.

 

This may be a no-win discussion. But I am not in for the win. I am

in for a open hearted / open minded approach to all medicine.

 

Lynn

 

Saturday, January 15, 2000 6:12 PM

 

DJG5555 (D G)

 

but... what if ALL of her claiims aren't exxagerated? what if

micro-currents DO have SOME effect on pathenogens?

have you checked? even a busted clock is right twice a day.

 

Dennis