Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

[Guest guest]

Evening Tracy,

 

At 01:14 PM 01/13/2002 +1300, you wrote:

>The " experts " advice at the bottom clearly shows they know diddly squat!

 

The AHA is the organization that has been shouting " cholesterol " from

the rooftops since about 1700 have they not?

 

Likely they are responsible for the continually lowering of the normals

to suicidal levels.

 

Finally, in one of their own articles, they admitted " cholesterol is not

the indicator of heart disease that we thought it was " ! ( only a small

mistake they made )

 

Considering all the hogwash that has existed from the beginning about

cholesterol, I am beginning to doubt that any truth even exist about he

HDL, LDL components.

 

Some research indicates that homocysteine is a better indicator. If

this is TRUE, then how can one have a low reading, and not have the high

HDL and not have the

ratio that someone says is ideal. (3 to 1 or 3.5 to 1, few have this ratio )

 

Seriously, we have a direct contradiction here.

 

If in fact homocysteine is a better indicator. < 11 is supposed to be

low risk

My reading was 7.8 last March. should have a new reading within the next week.

 

So... this can't be a reliable indicator if the HDL / LDL stuff is true.

 

Again..... someone has lied to us. I strongly suspect that the AHA is

responsible for all the confusion and the phony ideas and test.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 13/1/02 02:59:19 GMT Standard Time, wayne

writes:

 

 

> Is 7.8 on the low scale or is it the lower the reading, the higher the risk?

 

Marianne

 

>

> If in fact homocysteine is a better indicator. < 11 is supposed to be

> low risk

> My reading was 7.8 last March. should have a new reading within the next

> week.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

It's been years since my HDL was measured, but, having angina, it's unlikely

to be much more than 30, an alarmingly low number in current thinking in

cardiology. But when last measured, my homocysteine was 6.0.

-

" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:57 PM

Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

 

 

> Evening Tracy,

>

> At 01:14 PM 01/13/2002 +1300, you wrote:

> >The " experts " advice at the bottom clearly shows they know diddly squat!

>

> The AHA is the organization that has been shouting " cholesterol " from

> the rooftops since about 1700 have they not?

>

> Likely they are responsible for the continually lowering of the normals

> to suicidal levels.

>

> Finally, in one of their own articles, they admitted " cholesterol is

not

> the indicator of heart disease that we thought it was " ! ( only a

small

> mistake they made )

>

> Considering all the hogwash that has existed from the beginning about

> cholesterol, I am beginning to doubt that any truth even exist about he

> HDL, LDL components.

>

> Some research indicates that homocysteine is a better indicator. If

> this is TRUE, then how can one have a low reading, and not have the high

> HDL and not have the

> ratio that someone says is ideal. (3 to 1 or 3.5 to 1, few have this

ratio )

>

> Seriously, we have a direct contradiction here.

>

> If in fact homocysteine is a better indicator. < 11 is supposed to be

> low risk

> My reading was 7.8 last March. should have a new reading within the next

week.

>

> So... this can't be a reliable indicator if the HDL / LDL stuff is true.

>

> Again..... someone has lied to us. I strongly suspect that the AHA is

> responsible for all the confusion and the phony ideas and test.

>

> Wayne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> The AHA is the organization that has been shouting " cholesterol " from

> the rooftops since about 1700 have they not?

>

> Likely they are responsible for the continually lowering of the normals

> to suicidal levels.

 

Normal what? *confused*

 

Hey, yeah, the AHA is pretty bad...check out *this* quote from their web site -

they actually say that margarine is better than butter!! " A study reported in

the December 6, 2000, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association

showed that margarine is a more heart-healthy choice than butter. " Read more

at

http://216.185.112.5/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4776

 

Disgusted,

Mindy

[Guest guest]

Evening Mindy,

 

> Likely they are responsible for the continually lowering of the normals

> > to suicidal levels.

>

>Normal what? *confused*

Sorry about that. I should have said " normal cholesterol

levels " . By continuing to lower these to " suicide levels " .... they are

damaging the health of lots of people.

 

Heck..... even the pawns are being damaged. For example, the cardiologist

I talked with that had a total cholesterol level of 160 and was still

taking drugs.

 

Likely he believes he must get it down to ZERO...... or something very close.

 

Been trying to get mine to go up. It only went up 4 points, from 166 to 170.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:27 PM

Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

 

 

> Seriously, we have a direct contradiction here.

 

Homocystine is an independent risk factor. The HDL/LDL ratio is also important

as it is now known HDL transfers

anti-oxidant enzymes into LDL to protect it from oxidation as it is oxidized LDL

which drives CVD. Now it is also being

accepted that the types of fatty acids in the LDL can modulate LDL oxidative

risk. Sat fats are neutral, mono fats

elevate risk somewhat and poly fats quite a lot but then the actual rate of

oxidation is also dependent on Vit E level

and the proinflammatory status of the cells in the blood vessel walls, driven by

their Omega 3 / 6 ratio.

 

Bottom line,

 

Reduce Omega 6, add some Omega 3, take Vit E and Folate. Swap poly and mono

oils and fats for coconut oil.

========================

Good Health & Long Life,

Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson

USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

[Guest guest]

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" John Polifronio " <counterpnt

 

Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:33 PM

Re: Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

 

 

> It's been years since my HDL was measured, but, having angina, it's unlikely

> to be much more than 30,

 

That's a bit low. It is now known that HDL transfers anti-oxidant enzymes to

LDL to protect it from oxidation. IT is

only oxidized LDL which forms plaque.

 

> an alarmingly low number in current thinking in

> cardiology. But when last measured, my homocysteine was 6.0.

 

Hi John,

 

Good number! Mine is 6.2.

========================

Good Health & Long Life,

Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson

USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

[Guest guest]

Thanks Greg,

for the enlightenment.

Bottom line,

>Reduce Omega 6, add some Omega 3, take Vit E and Folate. Swap poly and

>mono oils and fats for coconut oil.

 

I am trying to do all that. Just got started on the VCN but have been

using flax oil and olive oil for some time.

 

Now we learn that all HDL and LDL is not the same. Hopefully, I can

improve all my numbers within the next six months.

 

I don't have any major heart or CVD at this time. I am still working

on prevention.

 

The only known problem I have is a slightly defective heart valve. How

slight or how bad, I do not know. It never causes me any problems

except...... every month or two, I can feel something different about

where the left side of the heart might be. ( Slightly left of center )

 

This usually happens after a period with no exercise and while

seditary. Last time I noticed it, I got on the treadmill and did some

exercise while breathing oxygen. No problem since and that has been about

a week.

 

I can't find out much about this EWOT stuff. Typically, I do 8 to 10

minutes before I connect the oxygen and then do 15 to 25 minutes more.

 

Any ideas or suggestions on EWOT?

 

Thanks for your details on the LDL / HDL contents.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Monday, January 14, 2002 10:46 AM

Re: Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

 

 

> This usually happens after a period with no exercise and while

> seditary. Last time I noticed it, I got on the treadmill and did some

> exercise while breathing oxygen. No problem since and that has been about

> a week.

>

> I can't find out much about this EWOT stuff. Typically, I do 8 to 10

> minutes before I connect the oxygen and then do 15 to 25 minutes more.

>

> Any ideas or suggestions on EWOT?

>

> Thanks for your details on the LDL / HDL contents.

 

Hi Wayne,

 

Understand that exercising while breathing pure oxygen will increase the ability

of your cells to do aerobic (with

oxygen) burning of fuel but at a cost of increased free radical load over

breathing normal air.

 

You get very few free lunches.

 

========================

Good Health & Long Life,

Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson

USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

[Guest guest]

I'm curious. Wouldn't consuming and establishing higher levels of om 3 in

the body, allow for a bit more om 6 in the diet, as long as an ideal 3/6

ratio is maintained?

John P.

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" Greg Watson " <gowatson

 

Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:45 PM

Re: Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

 

 

> -

> " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

>

> Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:27 PM

> Risks In High-Protein Diets ( AHA is Confused )

>

>

> > Seriously, we have a direct contradiction here.

>

> Homocystine is an independent risk factor. The HDL/LDL ratio is also

important as it is now known HDL transfers

> anti-oxidant enzymes into LDL to protect it from oxidation as it is

oxidized LDL which drives CVD. Now it is also being

> accepted that the types of fatty acids in the LDL can modulate LDL

oxidative risk. Sat fats are neutral, mono fats

> elevate risk somewhat and poly fats quite a lot but then the actual rate

of oxidation is also dependent on Vit E level

> and the proinflammatory status of the cells in the blood vessel walls,

driven by their Omega 3 / 6 ratio.

>

> Bottom line,

>

> Reduce Omega 6, add some Omega 3, take Vit E and Folate. Swap poly and

mono oils and fats for coconut oil.

> ========================

> Good Health & Long Life,

> Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson

> USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

> PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

> Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

> KIM (omega analysis)

http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

>

>

>

>

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