Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Oh I forgot to ask... is KS the thing that looks like shingles? Can someone explain the difference between KS & shingles, and also explain how it is that young kids get the chicken pox, and older people get shingles, and yet the same virus causes 2 different diseases? Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 - " Mindy Behymer " <mindy Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:12 AM KS & shingles? > Oh I forgot to ask... is KS the thing that looks like shingles? Can someone > explain the difference between KS & shingles, and also explain how it is that > young kids get the chicken pox, and older people get shingles, and yet the > same virus causes 2 different diseases? > > Mindy Modern medicine likes to categorize things all neat & orderly. I think it was Dr.Hanuman in Philadelphia after the US Civil war (~140 years ago) who first tried to relate a specific disease to a specific set of symptoms. But most diseases (like shingles) date from our dim past when they were just names for particular symptoms. A cough may be caused by many different things. Likewise with shingles. I feel that if modern docs would remember that a particular symptom or set of symptoms does not necessarily mean a particular disease, healthcare might actually improve. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 In a message dated 9/1/02 05:48:08 GMT Standard Time, jorudd writes: Shingles can appear on any part of the body, my neighbour had shingles on his face and it took an age to clear. Marianne > A shingles rash is more widespread, and usually appears around the > waistline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Dear Mindy, >Oh I forgot to ask... is KS the thing that looks like shingles? Can someone explain the difference between KS & shingles,... In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of KS, like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and usually appears around the waistline. I wish I knew how my scanner worked! I'd copy the pix if I could. > and also explain how it is that young kids get the chicken pox, and older people get shingles, and yet the same virus causes 2 different diseases?< Chickenpox and shingles are both caused by the varicella zoster virus (VZV), a member of the herpes family. Chickenpox (varicella) is most common in children. Like other herpes viruses, VZV enters the nerve endings during the chickenpox infection and lies dormant in the sensory ganglia. It can be reactivated decades later as shingles (zoster). Shingles is most common in the elderly, when the immune system becomes less effective, and in immunocompromised people such as HIV sufferers. Hope this helps! Jo, in Sydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hi! You may be interested to know that Human Herpes Virus 8 has long been implicated in Kaposi's Sarcoma. Nasty family, those herpes viruses! Steve Jo Rudd wrote: > Dear Mindy, > > >Oh I forgot to ask... is KS the thing that looks like shingles? Can > someone explain the difference between KS & shingles,... > > In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite > separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a > microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of KS, > like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and usually > appears around the waistline. I wish I knew how my scanner worked! > I'd copy the pix if I could. > > > and also explain how it is that young kids get the chicken pox, and > older people get shingles, and yet the > same virus causes 2 different diseases?< > > Chickenpox and shingles are both caused by the varicella zoster virus > (VZV), a member of the herpes family. Chickenpox (varicella) is most > common in children. Like other herpes viruses, VZV enters the nerve > endings during the chickenpox infection and lies dormant in the > sensory ganglia. It can be reactivated decades later as shingles > (zoster). Shingles is most common in the elderly, when the immune > system becomes less effective, and in immunocompromised people such as > HIV sufferers. > > Hope this helps! > > Jo, in Sydney > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Steve said: >Hi! You may be interested to know that Human Herpes Virus 8 has long been implicated in Kaposi's Sarcoma. Nasty family, those herpes viruses! < Because Jo Rudd wrote: > >In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite > separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a > microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of KS, > like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and usually > appears around the waistline.>> Thanks, Steve! I shouldn't believe everything I read in microbiology texts, should I !!! I guess you'll tell me now that we can also get rid of the herpes virus from the body? My understanding has always been that once you've got it, it stays with you for life. Cheers, Jo, in Sydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Hi! They are separate diseases, but herpes viruses are a family of viruses. The HHV8 connection to K.S. has been known for about a decade, and has been discussed at various AIDS Conferences. No, I've read nothing that suggests that herpes viruses can be eliminated. Outbreaks of herpes simplex & zoster can be reduced and controlled with standard medications, but it seems people are stuck with it, as you understand, for life. Steve Jo Rudd wrote: > Steve said: > > > >Hi! You may be interested to know that Human Herpes Virus 8 has long > been implicated in Kaposi's Sarcoma. Nasty family, those herpes > viruses! < > > Because Jo Rudd wrote: > > > >In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite > > separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a > > microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of KS, > > > like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and > usually > > appears around the waistline.>> > > Thanks, Steve! I shouldn't believe everything I read in microbiology > texts, should I !!! > > I guess you'll tell me now that we can also get rid of the herpes > virus from the body? My understanding has always been that once > you've got it, it stays with you for life. > > Cheers, > Jo, in Sydney > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 - " fmn " <fmn Friday, January 11, 2002 5:19 PM Re: KS & shingles? > Hi! They are separate diseases, but herpes viruses are a family of > viruses. The HHV8 connection to K.S. has been known for about a decade, > and has been discussed at various AIDS Conferences. No, I've read > nothing that suggests that herpes viruses can be eliminated. Outbreaks > of herpes simplex & zoster can be reduced and controlled with standard > medications, but it seems people are stuck with it, as you understand, > for life. Hi Steve, Both the Lauric and Capric fatty acids found in VCNO have been shown to be very effective at killing these and other virus: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 0514348 & dopt=Abstract Development and evaluation of microbicidal hydrogels containing monoglyceride as the active ingredient. " Monocaprin, the 1-monoglyceride of capric acid, and lauric acid were found to be most active of all the lipids tested, causing a greater than 100000-fold reduction [this was a result 10 x greater than they were looking for..gw] in virus titer in 1 min at a concentration of 20 mM. " ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 That's what the MD's would have you believe! :-) " Jo Rudd " <jorudd@s...> wrote: > Steve said: > > > >Hi! You may be interested to know that Human Herpes Virus 8 has long been implicated in Kaposi's Sarcoma. Nasty family, those herpes viruses! < > > Because Jo Rudd wrote: > > > >In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite > > separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a > > microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of KS, > > like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and usually > > appears around the waistline.>> > > Thanks, Steve! I shouldn't believe everything I read in microbiology texts, should I !!! > > I guess you'll tell me now that we can also get rid of the herpes virus from the body? My understanding has always been that once you've got it, it stays with you for life. > > Cheers, > Jo, in Sydney > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 It is a form of HIV...according to various websites. mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> wrote: > That's what the MD's would have you believe! :-) > > " Jo Rudd " <jorudd@s...> wrote: > > Steve said: > > > > > > >Hi! You may be interested to know that Human Herpes Virus 8 has > long been implicated in Kaposi's Sarcoma. Nasty family, those herpes > viruses! < > > > > Because Jo Rudd wrote: > > > > > >In my understanding, Kaposi's sarcoma and shingles are two quite > > > separate diseases. KS is a form of cancer. The picture in a > > > microbiology book that I have shows the purplish skin lesions of > KS, > > > like a raised nodule. A shingles rash is more widespread, and > usually > > > appears around the waistline.>> > > > > Thanks, Steve! I shouldn't believe everything I read in > microbiology texts, should I !!! > > > > I guess you'll tell me now that we can also get rid of the herpes > virus from the body? My understanding has always been that once > you've got it, it stays with you for life. > > > > Cheers, > > Jo, in Sydney > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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